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>>24527892 (OP)

>>24527919
Lord, bring me to 1000 words daily. Amen

I've written Jason and the Argonauts set in Darkest Africa. I think it's pretty good, and I'm considering doing the same (reimagining in new setting) with other old stories. Next is going to be trials of Hercules set in 1920s Chicago.

Should I try to find an agent and tradpub or just self pub and try my hand at self promotion and email chains and such?

>>24527974
I recommend pouring even an ounce of creativity into your work

>>24528155

>>24527974
Post an extract

>>24527892 (OP)
I'm gonna tell you a story y'all, about a dog that comes every night, to the same spot, and stares at nothing. He seems to be looking at someone, he sits, he wags his tail, sometimes barks playfully, rolls around and jumps. Whatever the dog is watching, it doesn't move from that spot. There's an old tree there, but there's no cat stuck on a branch, or anything else, there's nothing there. The tree is dead, it has no leaves, just one strong horizontal branch, that's what the dog is looking at... He just sits right bellow...
I don't want to imagine what it means, but, deep in my mind, I think I know what it is... Could it be the ghost of a hanged man?... or woman? Why do I have that gut feeling? That intuition? Maybe is just an stupid dog, but, no, he's there for a reason, on that spot...
Though, the thing that disturbs me the most is.. Why do I watch that dog every night? It is coincidence? I happen to be there every time he comes, and for some reason I can't talk to him, or reach him... I wish I could tell you some other story but this is the only thing I know, that dog, if he stops coming, I wouldn't have nothing else to talk about... but just silence, and nothingness...

Imagine writing 50 chapters

>>24528402
Imaging having to come up with a clever and compelling title for each of the 50 chapters...

>>24527974
You should do The Odyssey in Dublin in 1900. That would be a good and unique idea I think.

>>24527974
>>24528520
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik0BPKM9WQg

>>24527951
Thank you, Lord!

I’m in an absolute rut. A publisher is waiting on my manuscript and I haven’t made any progress in the last three months. I just lost my job last week, and won’t have money to cover my bills. So, unless I can sit down and focus and drop 40,000 words in two weeks, I’m in trouble. Even then, I have no idea if they’ll even go for it.

>>24528563
get a job. I too lost my job but found I can work part time at a grocery store to make ends meet

>>24528563
Luckilly for you, having no choice at all is perhaps the most powerful motivation you can hope for, and now that you have no job, you have far more time to write.
Assuming you write every day for eight hours a day, that's only 357 words per hour, which is very reasonable. And there are acually more than eight useable hours in a day, giving you a lot of time to make up any shortfalls, and to go over what you've written.
Hope you don't become homeless!

I am struggling with writing long dialogues

What do you guys think of the synopsis of my next novel. Going for a thriller/mystery with an unexpected twist.

The protagonist is a reluctant drug dealer, scraping by. A drug deal gone bad results in him murdering somebody, forcing him to move across the country to an uncle's, where he finds a job at a local hospital. He ends up working in what appears to be a massive mental ward, that get's stranger and stranger as time goes by. He has a coworker, a janitor, who seems a little off but they get along fine. Until one day the janitor goes missing, he eventually turns up as one of the patients in the mental ward. However nobody seems to recall or admit he used to work there, eventually he even disappears as a patient, with no record of him being there.

After a few close calls with police where his indentity could be revealed, he begins pressing the issue further on his strange workplace. Eventually he finds an extensive underground facility underneath the hospital, which is actually just a front for a constant stream of lab rats. During his search, there is an event that causes a lockdown in the underground facility - he soon see's the place is in complete chaos.

The twist I'm going for is he discovers the file of an agent of the facility, along with the janitors and they're almost exact. By piecing together some lab reports and the agent's coworkers notes, he discovers the janitor is the man he shot in the beginning of the story - the agent was using secret government technology to impersonate people and commit various crimes, (the agent and the murder victim in the beginning are two completely different ethnicites/body types including robbing drug dealers.

Eventually he comes in contact with soldiers/government agent's and helps bring the facility under control, or so he thinks, until he asked to step into a room and everything goes dark, implying that nothing was under control and the events were manipulated by a being inside the facility

There's a few issues and plot holes, like the motivation for the janitor/agent guy to rob a drug dealer. And there's the coincidence that an agent from there just happens to be in the protagonist's home town. Howver I think it seems like a pretty solid head spinner.

>>24528613
convoluted

>>24528613
>drug dealer
I stopped right there. Sorry anon, but I'm so over saturated with that theme that I feel like I'm being forced to watch a netflix ad. I need something fresh, out of time, out of the landscape, a clear in that cluttered landscape, to escape there and feel interested and mesmerized by something again.

>>24528617
noted.


>>24528631
It's not about drug dealing at all, it's just his occupation for the opener and that's about all it has to do with it. What exactly is over-saturating the market with drug stories?

At-least-1000-words-a-day anon here. This anon's >>24528563 plight has inspired me to kick it up a notch. I'm now the at-least-3000-words-a-day anon. If I commit, I'll have a full draft within the month.
Excuse me, I have at least 1800 more words to write today.

>>24528649
>What exactly is over-saturating the market with drug stories?
It's not about "semantics", it's about a whole general genre. I start the "TV" or the screen and your story is all I see, all I've seen in the last 30 years. All the "csi"s, all the military themed tv series, and police tv shows, and undercover, and black ops, and mercenary, and hood gangs, etc etc... I really don't know what it takes to be "fresh", but it needs to avoid guns, uniforms, suits, and drugs right out of the door.
About your story, I would prefer the guy to be a normal guy, not a drug dealer, but someone with whom I can feel represented, I don't feel anywhere near to a drug dealer, I don't care about a drug dealer. Maybe it could be a normal person who shop lifted, or whatever, but someone normal, who fucked up. That's why Breaking bad was successful because it was about a normal guy, a school teacher who did something extraordinary, that was the hook.
Btw, About your story, it reminds me to resident evil, that's what I like about it, lol

>>24528678
posts like this are an excellent reminder in why you should never let a third party influence your creative vision

I sometimes feel like what I've written isn't a coherent plot. Chapter by chapter it works fine, and they all make sense in the individual scenes, but when I consider my stories as a whole, it just seems so flimsy. Why is that? Anyone else feel this?

>All submissions must be original works created by the Entrant. The use of ghost writers, generative artificial intelligence (AI) tools, machine learning, or large language models for the purpose of creating content is prohibited and may be grounds for disqualification

>be me
>browse /lit/
>go to /wg/
>AI
>AI
>AI
Every time

>>24528846
Kek, you don’t have what it takes to be a writer.

Are writers the chosen people? Well God gives you talent to write.

I guess I haven't been giving RR site staff the credit they deserve
also
>Matabar
>look inside
>10k followers
>4.7* rating with 2.37k votes

>>24528819
I get the opposite thing
I feel like my scenes are somewhat disjoined, series-of-events-y as I write them, but reading them back, it falls into a coherent whole

>>24528852
At least I'm not depending on it.

>he doesnt have 5 books worth of worldbuilding to base his novel on
NGMI

How do you make peace with the realization that pulp is the best that you can do? That you'll never write "real" literature because you're a literary muggle?

>>24528595
I always keep dialog as short as possible.

>>24528260

The door to the European ward opened. Dr. Wilson emerged, removing blood-stained gloves. He was a tall man, thin to the point of gauntness. His face was deeply tanned above his white medical coat. Gray had begun to thread through his dark hair. When he saw Harlow, his expression hardened.
"Harlow. What brings you here? Not illness, I hope."
"I need to speak with you."
Wilson glanced at the waiting patients. "I'm rather busy."
"It's important."
Wilson sighed. "Come to my office."
The office was small. A desk. Medical books on shelves. A cabinet with glass doors displaying surgical instruments. A single window overlooked a dusty yard where chickens scratched in the dirt.
Wilson did not sit. He stood behind his desk, arms folded. "What do you want, Harlow?"
"I'm assembling an expedition."
Wilson's eyebrows rose. "You? After the last disaster?"
"This is different."
"Different how? Different location to die in?"
Harlow felt the familiar anger rise but pushed it down. "Governor Phillips has commissioned me. It's an official expedition."
"Official." Wilson pronounced the word as if it tasted bad. "And you want me as your doctor."
"Yes."
Wilson turned to look out the window. "I heard you were drinking yourself to death on Williams' veranda. What changed?"
"The governor made me an offer."
"Must have been quite an offer."
"Redemption. Cleared name. Passage home."
Wilson's back stiffened slightly at the last words. Harlow noticed. He had expected this reaction.
"You have a wife in England," Harlow said. "You haven't seen her in what, three years?"
"Four." Wilson kept his back turned. "Where is this expedition going?"
"Upriver. Bakongo territory."
Wilson turned now, his face sharp with interest. "The Bakongo? Why?"
"The governor wants something they have."
"What could those people possibly have that would interest Phillips?"
"A mask. Gold. Used in their ceremonies."
Wilson frowned. "You're going to steal a religious artifact."
"I'm going to acquire it for the British government."
"Semantics." Wilson sat now, suddenly tired. "Why me, Harlow? There are other doctors in Port Marsden."
"Because you're the best. Because you've treated jungle diseases for five years. Because you hate it here as much as I do."
The doctor's fingers tapped a rhythm on his desk. Outside, a patient cried out in pain or delirium. The sound cut off abruptly.
"How far upriver?" Wilson asked.
"Past the third cataract. Four hundred miles, give or take."
"Into unmapped territory."
"Yes."
"Where your last expedition ended in disaster."
"Different route. Different season. Better prepared."
Wilson opened a drawer and took out a bottle of whiskey and two glasses. He poured a measure into each. Harlow noticed his hands were steady. A surgeon's hands.
"When would we leave?"
"Six days. The governor wants us moving before word spreads."

>>24528563
This is the time to get your sweaty paws on some long-release stimulant. God bless this modern world.

>>24528906
It's prim and very readable yet rather flavourless.
I would love to hear how you are approaching the setting — brightest and whitest Europeans in blackest and darkest Africa — without falling into the plentitudes of stereotype.

>>24528918
I was going for more of a Hemingway-style, where the character interactions and dialog drive the scenes where they're talking. Most scenes aren't as long of conversations, I've tried to use more descriptions as they move into the interior while keeping the European outpost more "sterile".

I didn't try to explicitly use stereotypes but I'm sure I fell into it some. The frame of Jason's trip certainly helped, and the Colchis replacement is somewhat inspired by the Great Zimbabwe, while trying to avoid falling into the trap of being Wakanda.

>>24528520
Doubt it could work, even with beautiful prose. Who wants to read yet another take on the Odyssey?

>>24528932
That sounds good. Is this the first page? I'd love to hear how you approach the descriptions of the land and its people as the expedition enters the unknown. I must warn you, in today's publication climate, an African interpolation of The Argonautica set in "darkest Africa" will be a hard sell without some subversion, subversion either of the ideals of European heroism, or of the ignorantly happy / spiritually-impoverished depictions of Africans.
When writing stories about white men traipsing through Africa, I've always found an albino character helps.

>>24528872
You just dabble like a dilettante.

Please critique my writing. I have always longed to write more than just essays and dissertations this is the opening to a short story I'm working on:
The sound of a match strike roused him from his slumber. As his vision cleared his eyes fixed upon a squat Chinaman, his flat features waxing and waning in the ruddy glow of the flickering match. No sooner had his features become apparent the match burned low, and the Chinaman dropped it cursing in his tongue. He could be heard fumbling in the darkness when the door creaked open, letting in the dull lamplight of the adjacent room. As the door swung on noisy hinges the shadows that lined the corners of the room were set to dancing and the Chinaman rose, startled. The corners of the room could now be discerned; groups of people lay heaped about the edges of the room as if dropped there. An acrid and vinegary smoke hung thick in the air, and the intruder that strode into the room coughed loudly as if burdened by its presence. The intruder strode toward the Chinaman and held out a silver coin, which the Chinaman regarded with great care, tucking it into his pocket. The intruder took his place on the cushions along the wall and was seated. The little fellow commenced once again in attempts to light his lamp.

>>24528964
This was an extract from the third chapter. I definitely don't tap the traditional "ignorant savages and enlightened European" tropes - the Bakongo are depicted as cultured but spiritual, with written language and a long history, and the Europeans as a whole are arrogant to the detriment of themselves and the locals, with the "Argonauts" having a mixture of understanding and appreciation for the local cultures (and other dangers).

Here's as much of the opening as will fit:

The gin was warm and tasted of quinine. James Harlow drank it anyway. The bottle stood half-empty on the wooden table beside his chair. He had been drinking since noon. Now the sun hung low over the harbor, painting the water copper.
The veranda of Williams' Trading Post offered the only breeze in Port Marsden. Harlow's shirt stuck to his back. Sweat ran down his face. He did not wipe it away. The heat pressed against his skin, constant and unyielding.
A native boy swept the dirt floor of the trading post behind him. The broom made a steady, scraping sound. Harlow did not turn to look. He watched the ships in the harbor instead. A Belgian steamer had arrived that morning. It would leave tomorrow loaded with ivory and rubber.
Two British officers crossed the square below the veranda. They wore pressed uniforms despite the heat. The younger one glanced up, saw Harlow, and quickly looked away. The older one did not look up at all. Harlow poured another gin.
"They still won't speak to you," Williams said, emerging from the doorway. His skin had burned dark from twenty years of African sun. "Time hasn't softened their opinion."
Harlow did not answer. Williams sighed and settled into the chair beside him.
"How long will you keep this up, James? Three months you've been haunting my veranda."
"Until the next ship to England."
"And then what? Your name isn't any cleaner there."
Harlow sipped his gin. The harbor water slapped against the pilings below the trading warehouses. A flock of birds rose suddenly from the trees beyond the settlement. Beyond them, the jungle wall stood dense and impenetrable, holding secrets no European map had captured. Even after decades of colonial presence, the interior remained unconquered, swallowing expeditions and ambitions with equal indifference.
"Seven men died," Harlow said. "That's what they remember."
Williams nodded. "Seven men. And the specimens lost. And the money."
"There was fever. The porters stole the quinine."
"So you've said."
"It's the truth."
Williams leaned back in his chair. "Truth doesn't matter much here. Results matter. Success matters."

I originally intended one of the main characters to betray the others, but I scrapped the idea. Now I need 7k more words for novel status, and Im thinking of bringing it back. but I need some feedback, if its too cliche I wont do it.

>group of experts travels the world to reactivate a temple of time so one of them can go back in time to destroy an immortal evil before it becomes immortal

overal the group is tight, but theyre very different people leading to some friction

>>24529052
Firstly, you would have to be insane to take advice from anyone, most of all a stranger on a strange website.

Secondly, save the uncommon words for uncommon circumstances. In the first sentence, "sleep" is more a more honest and exact word than "slumber".

Save the description of a man's race for when, or if, it becomes meaningful. When it is time to reveal their ethnicity, do it through dialogue, cultural contrast, and indirect description. Does he even know the Chinaman is from China. Perhaps when the Chinaman drops the match and curses, let that curse be spoken, and there show the reader that the man speaks Mandarin or Cantonese.

Here are the first words of your sentences:
The, As, No, He, As, The, An, The, The, The. Beginning a few sentences from a driving verb will give the events some palpability.

I like the setting. But the reader does not need to be beguiled, enchanted, or deceived. You can tell the reader what type of room this is, and where this room is, and why the character is in that room. I would recommend you write another version of the story, this time in the clearest and simplest language possible, and then use decorative words and phrases from the first to flavour it.

>>24528906
Too much talking

its rather difficult to add another 7k words without it feeling like filler. I can go into more detail on certain things but I feel I had the size right before. I like reading concise works.

>tfw wrote 8K on my phone
>tfw I have to write it again on my laptop because the first chapter was too sloppy
>tfw my laptop sucks
If I had a nickel, I'm gonna buy a Thinkpad.

>>24529165
my laptop is as old as a middleschooler but it still produced a magnum opus

>>24529084
It's pretty good, for an Umlungu.

>>24528819
Try making a reverse outline after you finish the draft.
Helps diagnose where things went off the rails and makes it easier to see where to make changes so it all fits together better.

>>24528406
God Tier
Obscure History/Philosophy Reference, Esoteric linguistic joke

Great Tier
Dramatic Summary of the Chapter's Events

Okay Tier
No Chapter Title

Shit Tier
Random quote from the chapter

Kill me now Tier
Nonsensical Faux Poetry

>>24529264
How about random titles of love songs

Any YA readers here? I want to know if this is too cliched and will get lost among the thousands of YA titles released each year:

>Me protagonist is going to be a quiet young kid that wants to go work in a space colonization company because that's where all the money is. He's an orphan.

>....and he secretly subscribes to a religious movement that wants to revive the ancient homeland of their people IN SPACE. Only on the scale of blogging about it instead of doing anything, because he's a literal teenager.

>His uncle thinks he's a moron and wants him to just take up a good civil service job. The boy doesn't want to because it would be a waste of his talents.

>His uncle is fat, and has a bushy moustache. He's manager in an industrial equipment firm and is a widower whose son died in war. He will never admit it, but he thinks of the MC as his second chance (he regrets bullying his son into being a soldier).

>>24529285
Plot summaries are boring. There should be a come back of "utilitarian" genre. Tell a story by a simple sequence of mechanical actions, a functional process. A guy builds a gun, cleans a machine, prepares a plan, fix a house, goes through a process, in silence. "Tell by showing" as some say. How do you synthesize the spirit of your big story in one simple moment told in one short chapter or paragraph?
You need to build moments. Like bread crumbs, leading to something bigger.

>spend hours writing
>huge wall of text
>a lot happened and a lot was said
>feel like I went through a fucking odyssey in one chapter
>check word count
>1,620
wtf

I have lost all forward momentum on my project. I am very close to finishing my first draft, but these last chapters are agonizingly slow. I have multiple other projects in my head and briefly outlined, but even refraining from writing those has not helped me drive this one home.
Any advice on dealing with this lack of motivation?

Here's a 1.9k word long excerpt of my latest Chapter (9). I'd appreciate any feedback, particularly on dialogue and prose and less on plot as it's taken literally right in the middle of dialogue with no added context.

https://medium.com/@panosfrag/chapter-9-excerpt-c7f9e9205022

Thanks in advance.

>>24529272
1/3 of my chapter's titles are literal, 1/3 are literary references (shakespeare, dostoyevsky, faulkner, hemmingway, saramago) and the other 1/3 are taken from obscure songs' lyrics

>>24528906
Some of your dialogue could be tightened, it reads awkwardly. It is unnatural, imo.

>Wilson's eyebrows rose. "You? After the last disaster?"

The 'you' is redundant in a way that people probably wouldn't say in a natural conversation.

>Wilson turned now, his face sharp with interest. "The Bakongo? Why?"

Again, the re-specification breaks the flow.

You also do a lot of rule of three type stuff.
"Because... Because... Because"
is the worst offender, I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk in that clipped way outside a Hollywood movie.

>>24529264
>Dramatic Summary of the Chapter's events
That's called an argument, psued. If you aren't including them, you're not writing literature, you're writing slop.

>>24528659
done

>>24529463
*pseud

>>24529629
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>'ate prologues
>'ate present tense narration (not autistic I just don't like it)
>'ate messing with the font to "enhance" a moment

I've been writing so much weird stuff lately. Lots of weird lore and looking at a people like you would animals in nature. Not to judge, just to observe and understand. I think going outside my comfort zone has opened me up to better writing.

I tried reading more and playing more cerebral games but everything I read or played had fucking shit endings.

Goddamn, novels take a long-ass time to write

>>24529727
Outer Wilds has a great ending

>>24529638
Introductions/prefaces/prologues are such a massive pleb filter

>took 4 hours to write a 600 word blogpost
>3 views
This time I’m really gonna do it

>>24529727
Many such cases!

>>24529111
>Secondly, save the uncommon words for uncommon circumstances.
NTA - damn, never heard it put that way before, gonna jot that down, thx

>>24528613
>the agent was using secret government technology

how is the writing going?
im 29 books deep on Amazon and barely make $150/mo in sales.
>NOT VERY GOOD!

>>24529842
post your book, I will buy it and make fun of you if it's bad. If you've written 29 books and haven't made sales, you probably suck at writing.

>>24529860
thanks for the feedback, Mr. Faggot who doesnt have a single book published to Amazon!

>>24529867
Post your book. Prove me wrong. You won't because you're a bitch.

>>24529871
oh? sauce my catalog of books so you can be Mr. Faggot some more, buy them, not read them, and just leave a poorly written nigger babble infested bullshit and seething review?

a character from one of my series would strongly advise you be hanged from the Empire State building by your fucking intestines.

>>24529842
You have made money from writing. You're objectively above most of us clowns. 46 books is a lot. How long are they on average?

>>24529876
>a character from one of my series would strongly advise you be hanged from the Empire State building by your fucking intestines.
confirmed as sucks at writing

>>24529878
max allowable page count amazon will let you hit is 828pg in 6x9 trim settings.
my longest book is 600+ pages.
most of my books are around 200+ pages.

>>24529842
you have sold more than I have. What's your secret?

doesnt matter if you write a best seller if you dont have money to market it. if no one can discover your books, no one will ever read them. discoverability is king and without investing in marketing as a self published author you'll never make sales.

>>24529900
I too would like to know. Advertising costs me 10x what I reap in sales. Complete waste.

>>24529901
The very definition of a best seller is selling tons of books.

alright i can't decide so i'm asking
got a big meat slime growing out of control - it was used as part of a cyborg monster's body to make it more durable, now it ate the corpse and its container unit has a failsafe for that, which removes the excess mass that can't fit in the container

does the container unit:

a) send a shockwave through the meat blob that makes it just lose coherence and fall apart like a meaty bubble
b) cause the meat blob to boil and then burn away all its excess mass
c) ???

Do you guys think we can have a writefag coup on /lit/ and kick out most of the bookfags from the catalogue?

>>24530020
None of those would remove excess mass unless you could vent out the waste. An shockwave could liquefy the cells and would turn it into slurry.
Boiling it would remove water mass and sterilize it, but it would be difficult to contain the boiling to just one part of the thing.
Assuming it's made of 'cells' and not just a single big cell that could reconfigure, boiling it would be the best single use 'get rid of it' thing.
Alternatively, you could have some kind of localized growth inhibitor that could contain it / kill segments of it.

>>24530079
The end goal is to reduce the current active mass of the creature to a point where it can be contained inside the container.
The practicality is not in question, just assume that the container can selectively affect only the part of the amorphous creature that is outside of it. This is entirely a question of what would be cooler/more interesting.

>>24530050
Time spent doing that would be better spent writing

>>24530010
Alright then "potenital bestseller" you pedantic twat

>writing historical fiction
>embellish so much it may as well be a fantasy story
>why?!
>because the timeline for the real history is boring, there's barely any primary documents, and the accounts of said person is non-existent save for a few 3rd party retellings 200 years later

writing visual novels is so easy
you can write any old bullshit but as long as you put some cool DnB music over it it will be considered ludokino

>>24530139
>>writing historical fiction
based

>>24530139
>writing historical fiction
what era?
my favorite time period is the early 1800's. Anything between late napoleon to 1840.

>>24530177
9th century

>>24530146
>>24530177
>let another writer see work
>you can't have this! You clearly didn't do any research! Any king that has another lord joke with them would be put to death!
I think a lot of people watch too many movies. Kings and Emperors are humans, I bet even their closest friends and family called them by their first names. Nobody is formal in all settings.

Is TTS a legitimate alternative to reading aloud? I tried reading through my manuscript but it was exhausting. I usually just use TTS. Am I missing out by not feeling the words come out of my mouth?

Hi friends! I’m about to publish the first of a trilogy. Can anyone tell me their experiences with KDP self publishing, and any tips for success?

>>24530207
>Is TTS a legitimate alternative to reading aloud?
yes, so long as it sounds somewhat like an actual person reading it instead of a monotone robot

>>24530220
How are you marketing your book? If you don't have a way of reaching a significant audience, your book will not reach even minor levels of success. It will die with a few ratings at most. There is no natural discoverability for KDP

>>24530269
Idk, I figured word of mouth, I plan to plant a few hard copies in the local “free little libraries” but I don’t want to spend 25¢ per click on Amazon ads. I’m hoping the book is good enough to spread organically. Got any tips for free marketing like tiktok or Twitter or whatnot?

>>24530220
>>24530284
The themes are mostly about discovering agency and free will against the setting of oppressive systems: in the first book it’s 1527 Yucatán during the Spanish conquest, the second book is near-future Tokyo under Yakuza control, and the third is far-future Ireland after a solar flare collapses the technological world and the setting resets to an agrarian peace that get upset by a restless antagonist. My books explore the consequences of intent and the greater impacts of minor choices in shaping historical events.

>>24530086

Why don't you just make the post here instead of making a thread?

>>24530284
>good enough to spread organically
would be nice to live in a world where this happens

>>24530292
That's all well and good but what's it actually about? Who are the characters?

>>24530284
Find the cutest girl you know. Have her make a quick tik tok video of her saying "love my indie books!"

>you want an audience? you have to publish something to get that
>you want to get published? you need an audience to do get anywhere with that
They've caught us in the 22, it's over

>>24530338
>Amid the brutal conquest of 16th-century Yucatán, two young lives collide—on opposite sides of a war neither of them chose.

>Tomás, a Spanish page desperate to escape the cruelty of his conquistador masters, flees into the jungle—and into a world he was never meant to see. There, in the sacred waters of a hidden cenote, he meets Ixchel, a fiercely independent Mayan girl sworn to protect her people’s fading traditions.

>They do not speak the same language. But in the ruins of a forgotten temple, they uncover something older than either of their worlds: a glowing shard of unknown origin, humming with a power both beautiful and terrifying.

>As Spanish forces close in and Mayan resistance stiffens, the shard becomes the center of a violent struggle for control—a symbol of hope, conquest, and survival. Hunted from all sides, Tomás and Ixchel must navigate betrayal, loyalty, and the weight of a history written in blood.

>The Cenote’s Shard is a haunting coming-of-age tale set in the shadow of empire—where myth collides with memory, and where two young souls must choose who they are when everything they’ve known begins to fall apart.

>>24530360
>historical fiction
you have me
>fantasy elements
you lost me
Jokes aside, this is a neat premise, best of luck getting it out there. Drop a link here once it's up.

>>24530374
Thanks, will do :)

>>24530346
set aside your pretensions and go write webslop

Alright. I have my book fully edited, typeset, cover made, etc etc. Going to send it to Able Press for a readover. Or should I just go for it and publish it.

One thing that's an issue with it, and I can't send it as a 'manuscript' is that it switches between perspectives so much (>it's necessary for the ART, bro), that I had to code who is currently in the driver's seat by font. Any better suggestions?

>>24530360
I like it

Is this offensive?

>>24530360
>>Tomás, a Spanish page desperate to escape the cruelty of his conquistador masters, flees into the jungle—and into a world he was never meant to see.
Too avatar-like. Go full blown conquistadors and have him conquer said village girl, but his faith in Christ compels him to do good. Which is what really happened with Cortez. If you elevate it with Christian and Mayan themes, itll elevate the piece

>>24530448
No, it's based. I chuckled.

>>24530401
For me that would constitute selling out since I have yet to find webslop I enjoy

>>24530471
the last /wg/ger with a human soul

>>24530448
>using asterixis instead of italics
quite offensive

>>24530431
>Any better suggestions?
Yeah, plant context clues and have faith the reader will be smart enough to infer who's in the "driver's seat" based on those.

>>24530481
I did. A lot. To the point where non-retarded readers very much can tell who is talking, most of the time. To me, at least, it's extremely obvious by the word choice and what they go on about. But it's evidently not, enough, to everyone else.

>>24530020
>>24530079

this is what i ended up with

>A shockwave reverberated through the omniphage, and it halted. Something shifted inside the mass, steam began to rise from its surface, and then came the boiling, and the screeching. It was the screech of steam, escaping through what narrow openings its pressure could pry open, but its pitch undeniably carried the tone of a creature screeching in utter agony. The omniphage roiled and undulated in place, boiling and shrinking bit by agonizing bit, and soon enough, its surface dried, cracked, then caught fire.

>The entire mass soon burst, just as a half-ton calorie-junkie impaled on the nozzle of an industrial air compressor might do. Its boiled gore scattered all around, coating the scornbeast’s remains in a thick layer of pulpy slurry. A moment later, again in a wave spreading from the container, the slurry calcified into a steaming, plaster-like substance.

>Finally, the canister’s projection shifted again, hanging for a moment before it flickered out.

>RECONTAINMENT SUCCESSFUL

When you're writing a protagonist, generally you want to have them learn some kind of lesson, show some growth in one way or another, put all the skills and experiences they've had to use in some way. But what if your protagonist is intended to be a villain?

>>24530476
Asterisks *are* italics

>>24530556
bad people still learn
you seem to have a strict expectation of how a story behaves
tip: as the writer you're god. anything you say goes

>>24530453
thanks

>>24530476
it gets converted into italics on export

>>24530551
Redefine your vocabulary, or better yet, be more concise. There are certain noticeable words you use three times in three sentences.

Also, this isn't a vidya... don't write recontainment successful...

>>24530583
let a man be dorky
joyless dweeb

>>24530593
This is a board for serious litterateurs ONLY.

>>24530583
It's not part of the narration, it's the container literally showing that projected text.

That said I do partake in BIG BOLD ALL CAPS ANNOUNCEMENT TEXT as part of narration with no real in-world source. Usually for specific introductions (similar to the introduction cards for the superweapons in gun/diebuster).
It's just not the case here specifically, for once there IS a diagetic source.

>The mass remained attached to a man-sized, hexagonal container, and just as it began trying to pull away and towards Krahe, a light came alive on the container.

>It was a simple projector lens of the same type as those found on eyeboxes. It projected plain text in bright, fluorescent cyan.

>WARNING IS VISIBLE = HOST BODY COMPROMISED

>STAND CLEAR

>The projection shifted, and with it, so did part of the container. Some mechanism inside it whirred and whined, drawing the omniphage back in until it filled the vessel, barely diminishing the visible mass in the process. The projection shifted.

>PROBLEM
>RAMPANCY+OVERGROWTH

>It held for a few seconds. Then, another shift.

>SOLUTION
>ABLATION+RECONTAINMENT
>BEGIN
As for the repetition, I did reduce the screeching. And the boiling.

>>24530630
Have some pride...

I do this too.

>>24530633
dunno about pride, but i do have sick ass legally distinct kamen riders

>>24530483
>dumbing your work down to appeal to brainlets
bad plan, all you'll do is alienate smart readers

>>24530581
>bro's word processor needs to export
are you living in the 90s?

>>24530662
Hm. I actually like having the different fonts, it gives the different voices some personality, imo.

>>24530660
I use vim in terminal and xelatex to export to typeset. If you're too stupid to do that, stop writing, learn LaTeX, and have some control over your own work.

>>24530662
I write in notepad

>>24530664
It's just putting words on a page. Stop pretending you need this-and-that software to do it. You probably got yourself into the rut of using anything other than basic software as a method of procrastination

>>24530284
You have to study marketing and then apply it to literature. This is great example of how creatives fail at the most important step.

Right now, if you are going to selfpublish and want to be able to have the slightest chance of making a living doing it the way to go is royal road->patreon->money->pay professional editors->release the book version on amazon and audioshit.

You have to do what works today, not how it was or how you wish it is. If you have no aspirations making a living on it and it's more of your hobby passion you don't have to do it in this way and there's wrong with it.

>>24530662
I prefer writing in a text editor which is a much more powerful platform for writing and editing. I don't use LaTex or Markdown though, since the only thing I have to worry about are italics.

>>24530671
NTA
Anon you need to understand that Vim is to word processors as Linux is to operating systems
it's something between a fetish and a religion

>>24530709
What a coincidence, I use arch btw.

>>24528877
No idea.
>>24529129
7k is just one extra chapter
>>24530431
>changing font for POV
Oof. Are their voices not distinguishable on their own? And the fuck are you talking about? Lots of books switch POV chapter by chapter.
>>24530448
Everything is offensive in this age of victimhood.

>Protagonist dies at the end
Based or cringe?

>>24530869
Depends on how you execute it. Why are you asking us when you have better insight into your story than anyone else?

>>24530800
So, that's why I had an issue with it. The entire narrative is extremely fragmented, deliberately, and switches between characters multiple times per chapter. The voices are very distinguishable on their own. But there are parts where it will slide back or forwards in time to give more context to what's going on, and readers got confused. On the other hand, I want them to have to kind of puzzle it out.

Idk. My test readers liked it, a lot. Both of them said it fits the overall theme of fragmentation, abstraction, and alienation that goes through the whole book, which is what I want. But I think it feels a bit gimmicky.

>>24529735
As in, you need to be a pleb to like them?

never suggest shit to me again
heil hitler
i, political puppet,
threw lgbt, threw christian and antichristian politics
representative of the spirit of america strewn across continent outside of right demonstration for political credibility
would reign down nuke on those who oppose for one, because that makes me a shadow amongst shadows who just happens to be a greater pest than the other
bully, victimizers and theatric pudding
as if any of your agenda, programming content you didn't scowl at, and delete your work in haste because you had a line of errors you handled and didn't like the outcome

crack whoring anal cancer with meth trauma from a scientific political $gay cure right red scarily only a few of you aren't in this political tornado 'demonstration' my ass.

i ought to pay you homophobia plus cancer cause it tickles my dissent fetish to remove and eradicate in attaining of peaceful utopia

fuck you, you owe me my leg, for bleeding on the constitution you threw all of the american continent across, where you should go back to your belonging, not here, fowl outside of the realm of the whole fucking american affair, politic, dream, continuum

you sigh you knew all this was going to happen as you didn't lift a finger to change any of it, in your political haste you threw the puppet and also don't help around with the outdoors you know more then enough about current events with little know-how myself

your totem pole is literally a 12 year old crack pipe necrosis of organic dna trope semantic mechanism play for toddler pedophilies

signed i want my coffee

>trying to have a monologue about MC needing to change their name to fit the "culture" and legitimacy of the people.
>Barack Obama was viewed as an outsider because of his name. But Barry became more mainstreamed to allow him to be palatable to the american public
>reads like a giant info dump
How do i write this?

>>24531030
What have you actually written so far?

>>24531030
Just have the protagonist internally note that nobody is going to be able to pronounce or recognize their name, and they don't want to be seen as an outsider, and then settle on something romanized (or whtever-ized) to blend in. You don't have to explain the reasoning in detail, just imply the reasoning, and everyone will fill in the blanks.

>gemini said my book was shit.
I'll never make it. AI writes better than I do with their harsh criticisms and conventional standards. They've read 5 million terabytes of books, I probably read only 2 gigabytes. It's impossible to compete.

>>24531086
AI is an autofill. It's not intelligent, it doesn't experience qualia, and it is incapable of substantive value judgementsb because it has no conscious experience.

You have really just asked an aggregate of primarily unintelligent peoples' opinions to judge you.

this is an excerpt from a horror short i'm working on. tried showing some normie friends and they just called it "purple prose" whatever the fuck that means.

>>24531086
chatgpt says all my ideas are the best ideas ever and add realism

>>24531103
Made me think of a leftie meme, words words words

>>24531103
I like it.

>>24531103
They mean that it's more florid than they prefer, this is what purple prose means.

>>24531130
You’re in a writing general. Maybe you’re not cut out for writing.

I have been giving dictation software a try. Wondering if it would help with writing drafts faster.

So far the results have been mixed. Lots of errors, and I'm not used to speaking lines instead of typing them.
I think with some practice I could get used to it but for now I mostly just use it for when I get stuck with words that I don't know how to spell.
Honestly being a confident touch typer is more useful if a bit more mentally exhausting.

And for those wondering yes I did dictate this post (with some light editing).

>>24531103
Seems fine enough to me. Only thing I'd suggest is maybe using a different word than "patch" in the fourth and fifth sentences, at least in one instance. Using it three times in a row like that is a bit repetitive when it doesn't need to be. Also, unless your character encounters a color of blood other than red in the story, you can probably get rid of the "red" in "red blood", but that's just the pedant in me talking, so it's not really a huge deal.

I write backwards.

>>24527892 (OP)
What's y'all's daily page output? I typically aim for an absolute minimum of one page a day and average about two unless I'm editing.

>>24531572
2,000 words minimum if I'm in a crunch week.

What’s a good timeframe to churn out a short story? 2 weeks?

Any long form resources (not just youtube) on creative writing that you anons like? Also, any favourites on diary writing?

>>24531572
i aim for 10 pages a week.

>>24531632
here's all you need to know: tell don't show

>>24531572
some weeks I barely even do one page, other weeks I manage to do 40
usually the material from the weeks where I manage to do a lot is much better in content too

>>24531572
One time, I did 15,000, but that was a unique case. I typically get about 2000 depending on the story

>work on story
>Get near the end
>Haven't touched it in weeks
I'm going to drop it aren't I?

nt • I l There are econascent Place within the exosphere, guarding the habits of norm, facing the rails within the concube jest, ripping apart dead stars the mainframe SA, breaking head-on to head-off state within the “can”, the limit of the psyphic will, the descent into the Unknown Unknown, rating the unconscious against the function of the ego, the leg within the crumbling friez of tried jest, humor, black and viscous as a tar in the mouth getting hard, tardive humor viscous with alteration, the State in which the Humor is Alive, the titulum, the spectative jest of recapturing the hint, the profess used to compute action, stating in hazard, stating in jest, captual to the relayance of caya, the dark matter; the now impending, the rate collapsed in, the building imploded, thermal images of transactive proc; the Aim of Futures; We eat This; We BREATHE IN to our lung, the other one dead, black and featureless, writhing so icy-slow, a slaugh, a slurry, a penetrating cold; Your bones are done.

The metafactory array took Place; the denial of circumstance is circumspect. “We balance” not “the Book, but the face aphade, grasswalling the light, the bug under sheath, stating, relentlessly In to the oil, capturing the face, knowing the facade not as a word, but a measure; We are flit to grin. “We use flatirons.” “How is the fire?” Anxiety driving her to delusion, sleeping, coping with drugs, freezing in the cold outside in the winter; we see it coming; We see it dislodging in our throats; We come down; We skate; we wake up early and task into the weather, the stating array or orgone, the featureless window into the White; We declare, encircled, “war””nth” castrating your still-being, your nondeclared SUM

>>24531619
Robert Stevenson wrote Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde in three days. He didn't have a PC.

>>24531103
It's not purple. It's good. Tell your friends they are morons.

>>24531103
it's fine. in fact, aside from some embellishments, it's crisp and direct
never listen to non-reader opinions on prose. they can give you experiential opinions on plot and drama, but anything else will be a waste of your time to consider
never aknowledge non-writer opinions on prose

Something feels off with the kill. I can't figure out why though. Any humans want to take a look at it? Chatgpt is worthless and doesn't like my MC burying people alive.

>>24528595
My general advice for whether something is too long is to write it as long as you like then go back and pare it down to size with aggressive editing. Writing too much is a good problem to have. It's much easier to fix than the other way around.

>>24531887
He also wrote it while he was deathly ill, in the last few years of his life, while he was mostly bedridden. He actually produced the bulk of his famous bibliography in his final 3 years of life.

What's your excuse anons?

>>24531103
There are more metaphors and similes than most people are used to process. It takes cognitive work to decipher them, and it gets distracting rather than clarifying if the story, character and setting are supposed to be the main focus rather than the prose.
Also a bit of a nitpick: "strange shapes" is abstract. In what way are they strange? Are they jagged? Twisted? Or is it just the obscene nature of the content that makes them disturbing?

I was trying to not be too upfront about what I was writing, try and make it distinct and interesting, but I don't care anymore
My next arc villain is Fantasy Epstein and the big climactic battle is the setting's churches using a cosmological event as an excuse to move the amount of armed forces they need to slaughter all those involved

>>24529876
you've never written a word, have you.

>>24529901
what was the point of this post? To demoralise the competition?

>>24529842
Have you tried getting published traditionally? Amazon has deals with publishers to promote their books before others.

>>24531619
David Gemmel famously rattled out a novel in two days once. Quest for Lost Heroes, which was really good given that he wrote it in two fucking days.

>>24531130
do you even like to read

>>24531572
I spend a lot of time going back and adjusting things because I decide that this or that idea was stupid or isn't going to flow well, so I have to go adjust the leadup. I did 10,000 words a day over the holiday weekend though.

>>24532414
lifestyle guru is a genuine personality type and not just something snake oil salesman put on for money. like ideologues, they're annoying as fuck and will think it's their life mission to convert people to their beliefs
there's a couple posters who niggardly inserts themselves into discussions crabbing people for not being marketable enough, and tries to push people into writing derivative slop. their one value is making more money
reply to such posts telling them to get a job

>>24530964
Obviously not. Only plebs skip and complain about them.

>>24531847
>2000 pages a day is typical
you are literally faster than an LLM

>>24532465
Yeah, but to be honest, anon, I delete most of it. I'd probably do a bit in the morning, maybe 500 words, then 1500 later, but more casually. Sometimes I just write gibberish to experiment. It's nothing like the quality of writing I've seen on here. I'm practically esl compared to some of these guys.

>>24532470
You should read things more closely.

>>24531847
...pages?

>>24531231
>dictation software
Are you sure your operating system doesn't have some kind of dictation functionality built in?

>>24532477
Pages isn't a real unit of measurement. What the fuck is a "page," what font, what text size, Christ.

>>24532503
People say this and then pretend word count is a consistent alternative. Meanwhile if you just type the number 1000 some software will read it as two words and others as one.

>>24532612
>pages vary by 50% to 500% depending on settings, it's useless as a metric
>yeah but words vary by 1%, retard, so they're both flawed!

I'm as trepidatious about the rise of AI as everyone else, but it's cool that I can force Maya Angelou's voice to read my fiction to me. Makes my shit feel sophisticated.

>>24532478
It kinda does but I don't like the one it comes with.
It isn't as flexible as the one I am using, insist on setting up cortana or whatever the fuck to use it, and I have to dig through settings to turn it on or off since otherwise it's always listening and always has mic access.

Instead I am using a program called LillySpeech, which does exactly what I want it to, where I want it to, and nothing else. It doesn't come bundled with a AI assistant, it isn't on and listening at all times unless I dig through settings to turn it off, it isn't sending my data to Microsoft to figure out how to make money off me.
Plus the few advance functions are editable in a notepad document.
Only negative is that even when it's censorship function is turned off it still will block certain curse words that apparently the devs found especially offensive. Like cunt and most ethnic slurs. But thanks to 4chan I am lightning quick at being able to type those anyway, lol.
Still better than microsoft's version where it doesn't even have the option to turn off censorship as far as I can tell.

>>24532684
Of the forms of AI used in creative stuff the ones I think have the most potential and I would be most likely to use are the AI TTS voices and the AI voice changers.

Stuff like Vocaloids proved that when someone is actually willing to put work in and polish the outputs the results can be quite interesting.
The main issue now with such voice AI is that the majority of those who use them are absurdly lazy and are unwilling or unable to put in even basic work like actually listening to the outputs to check for errors and irregularities.
But someone who uses it with a artist mindset could do impressive things, like solo create full cast audios or use AI voice changers to dramatically expand their range of voice acting in a small project, all while still maintaining the emotionality of a human performance.
It can also be used for very funny jokes and skits. Those youtube starwars videos with the action figures comes to mind. As well as the presidents gaming videos.

>>24532740
It's a cool toy for people like me who are too lazy to read their writing aloud but it's not at the point where it could replace a quality human audiobook narrator, even with checks for errors and irregularities. Shit sounds awkward and stilted.

Do your audiobook narrators a favor and don't pair words when the sound at the end of the first word matches the sound at the beginning of the second word.

>>24532503
It's not as precise as word count, but if you assume single spaced 12 point font I find it to be a better spitball estimate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYXh67dce-I

>>24532835
depends on the font. also
>not double spacing to leave room for notes

I don't have much experience with romance in fiction. What are the keys to writing a good romance and what are some examples in fiction I can look at for reference?

>>24532722
interesting

>try to be a good boy and join reddit's writing
>How do I force myself to write?
>Is it okay to write about this?
>How do I write LOLBBQCGPT character?
>Should I do this? Should I do that?
Holy shit man. These people lack so much conviction. I can't do it.

>>24533083
It really does seem like Reddit is a website that appeals to mediocre and untalented people.

>>24533083
speaking of lacking conviction, every time I read over my manuscript I want to fucking die and delete it from the afterlife. here is unrelated work that is from a project I will not complete because I fucking can't. critque the style if you want or don't and read it and laugh, I'm beyond caring atp. fuck this writing shit.

>>24533131
Is there a particular reason you write this way?

>>24533142
i hate this tiktok bitch bop writing shit that keeps throat-fucking me. any time I've tried to read a book recently, it's just the same YA dogshit and pisses me off. it's like motherfuckers woke up and said 'shit, let's all write in parataxis: fuck cool grammar, fuck writing with emotion. I need my. Short. Sentences.'

if you're referring to the excessive diacope here, it's just because I hardly edited this shit. idk u gotta be a bit more specific anon.

>>24531086
NGMI

Gemini initially gave me 8.5/10.
Then I changed the whole structure and now it gave me a 9.5/10.

>>24533131
this reads as insufferably effeminate as my narcissist princess friend's poetry. she does this fun thing where she softens her s's to almost a lisp and reads extremely softly from a place of extreme conceit.

>>24532796
But imagine a quality human audiobook narrator with a AI voice changer to preform all the voices in character.

Also AI tts is good for people on the lower end of the budget spectrum. Like web novels and self publishers who are willing to put the work in to actually polish the output and do basic audio editing to create a tolerable final result.
Sure, it's not ideal, and it's not going to take anyone's job, but its a good option if the only realistic alternative is no audio version at all.
Decent narrators are expensive.

>>24533147
Read books in the style you want to write. If you want to create good prose, don't read YA novels.

>>24533157
good. the protaginist is a female. care to elaborate on this friend? i'm curious now.

>>24533162
I do read good novels. I just mentioned that recently, it's been fucking horrible finding them. if there is a problem with my prose that makes you think I just read YA, then pls let me know.

>>24533168
I don't mean to sound overly critical, but "It was past the sun's bedtime, and the home was prepared" is borderline nonsensical, and it's the first line of the excerpt.

>>24533183
what's nonsensical about it?

past the sun's bed time -> it's night
the home was prepared -> prepared for the protagnist to kill themselves.

>>24533191
NTA but it feels like you're trying too hard. Past the sun's bedtime? I get you're trying to personify the sun, but it adds nothing to the story except pretentiousness of an author trying to be literary. Words should be very specific.

>>24533031
Wouldn't footnotes just go at the bottom?

>>24533258
didn't write the piece. I have no doubt that it's garbage
it's an extremely simple and obvious metaphor. so much so that it's juvenile
>Words should be very specific
I hate you on principle for being so stupid

>>24533131
>I'm beyond caring atp. fuck this writing shit.
Then don't post it here. You are polluting the thread for no reason.

>>24533353
If it's an extremely obvious and simple and juvenile metaphor, why use it? You use a lot of words that stilt your text, and it makes it annoying. I don't like it. 'My 'operating' hand'
>and I was a hurt mountain climber
A ton of stuff that's just kinda thrown in there. This is a decent first draft, but you need to cut probably 50% of this before you make it your second.

>>24533443
>didn't write the piece

>>24533448
Then why post it, you fucking faggot?

>>24533258
"Past the sun's bedtime" is not great, but it's not terrible either. If the author is going for a cutesy, playful tone, then it's fine. My gripe is that the metaphor doesnt continue, leaving it all alone and out of place. And what's the diference between the sun's bedtime, and bedtime in general? Does the sun not go to bed the same time as everything else? Why not just say, "it was past bedtime?" And then personify the sun's slumber another way? That would be stronger.

>>24533450
are you retarded
how many feedback posts are you responsible for. get a trip so people can know it's your dumb ass replying to people
I did not write the piece. that's not me

>>24532612
There is virtually no practical situation in which word count is going to prove problematic.

>>24531231
The first time I tried dictation, I just sat there for an hour opening and closing my mouth at the microphone, not getting a sound out. It felt so unnatural. When typing, the words come to me immediately and without even trying, but when speaking aloud, I just can't "hear" and process the prose anymore.

Now I just write the first draft on paper and read straight from it. The software picks it up better too.

Any guides or tips on writing a proposal to pitch my story to a small not-English publisher? Do you send them the entire novel in a PDF, how to write the email itself, things like that?

>>24533953
unironically ask chatgpt, it's good for that kind of standardized letter writing
maybe enable web search and see what links it gives you

>>24533953
Each publisher usually has their own guidelines for how they want submissions, which may differ from other publishers. That you don't follow instructions and can't even be arsed to research if your work fits that particular publisher's brand usually results in immediate rejection without even looking at the submission itself. You don't ask these things of fucking chatgpt

Something that was inspired by a wank I had earlier

The usual 3-5 minutes had passed, and Barry, after having completed the act with himself, felt a wash of introspection, shame, and the urge to write, gush over him at once as if from an ill-fitting showerhead; fancy words came to mind such as 'spurious', and 'lackadaisical'.
Perhaps he could pen a slow burning, kitchen-sink novella, cutting right to the heart of the human condition. Time gone by, unrequited loves, friends long forgotten, the search for purpose in a broken, spiritually barren society. Realism and relatability. "The Tome of an Everyman", he could call it.
Catharsis, for both writer and reader. Barry's beady little eyes sparkled, the tiny cogs behind them spinning feverishly as he cooked up his latest and greatest idea. He was excited beyond belief. He ran a hand through his thinning hair, inspiration still dripping from the other. His name would be spoken in the same breaths as all the greats:

"Twain."
"Kipling."
"Hemingway."
"Dostoevsky."
"Barry."

However, as a few more minutes passed and he thought more about it, those same beady eyes lost some of their glint. Those same tiny cogs started to slow down, and grind against each other (they had never been well greased). That same dripping inspiration had fully liquefied into beads of defeat, of embarrassment, of stupidity.
He would never write "The Tome of an Everyman". He wouldn't be able to use words like 'spurious' and 'lackadaisical'. Barry was crestfallen. He wouldn't be writing stories like the all the greats. In fact, Barry had only heard of them in passing, since in all his 37 years on Earth, Barry never gained the ability to read.

>>24534016
That makes sense. The publisher I'm interested in doesn't have any specific guidelines on their webpage, so chatgpt might just do.

>>24527892 (OP)
Can I post excerpts here?

>>24534108
Only if you want to forfeit your copyright and self-publish for no money.

Stop wasting your SFF stories by posting them on 4chan. Write a short story once a week or once a month and try your hand at making it as a writer. The chances are slim, but you will get paid if you send to these places. Don't look back once you make your first sale.

>Clarkesworld
https://clarkesworldmagazine.com/submissions/
1000-22000 words, no exceptions
12c (USD) per word. No horror but dark SF/F permitted.
No use of Chat GPT nor AI allowed
No simultaneous submissions (do not send the story somewhere else).
Stories must be well-written, suitable for audio (since there are narrated audiobooks), and convenient for screen reading (so no weird formatting).
Rigor in science fiction is appreciated, but it does not need to be "hard."
There can't be any of the tropes listed on the site.

>Asimov's
https://www.asimovs.com/contact-us/writers-guidelines
up to 7500 words, at 10c per word (USD)
Character oriented stories, but there is also some poetry $1 per line
Absolutely no use of Chat GPT nor AI allowed
No simultaneous submissions (do not send the story somewhere else).

>Fantasy & Science Fiction
https://www.sfsite.com/fsf/glines.htm
No simultaneous submissions (do not send somewhere else).
Up to 25,000 words in length. 8-12 c (USD) per word. You must read a sample of the magazine before sending.

>Interzone Digital
https://interzone.digital/submissions/
Simultaneous submissions accepted (you can send somewhere else).
Maximum of 5000 words. 1.5c (EURO) per word. Double-spaced and emailed.

>Amazing Stories
https://submission.amazingstoriesmag.com/guidelines/
$20 per story, $10 per flash (USD), and poetry also
No simultaneous submissions, no multiple submissions
1000 to 24,000 words

>Apex Magazine
https://apex-magazine.com/submissions/
8c per word (USD), up to 7500 words
Usually dark sci fi or horror is accepted.

>Beneath Ceaseless Skies
https://www.beneath-ceaseless-skies.com/submissions/
Up to 15,000 words, 8c per word (USD)
Provides feedback on rejections
No use of Chat GPT nor AI allowed
Character-focused, adventure fantasy (no sci fi nor horror) that has a deep sense of world.

>The Dark Magazine
We pay 5 cents/word for original fiction up to 6,000 words on publication for first world rights; and 1 cent/word for reprint fiction up to 6,000 words on acceptance for nonexclusive reprint rights.

>Deadlands
The Deadlands pays 10¢/word for original fiction.

3k words since waking up, we're fuckin' back baby.

>>24534132
>3k words of filler

Do you like this excerpt from my novel?

I don't usually share here.
Please be brutal and critical.
I'm not even sure if it's legible, but whatever.

>>24534161
Even posting it in an image isn't enough. I can put this in Gemini and transcribe it.

>>24534164
Transcribe it for what?

>>24534168
>Transcribe it for what?

Transcribe it so I can post it on 4chinz and get archived / mirrored on Warosu for time eternal so you can never use this nor sell it.

The Eyes Beyond Sight

The dreams of the Puan began before dawn. Low and deep, like the steady thrum of a distant heartbeat, they echoed through the bone-white trees that surrounded the village. Acarla stood alone in the center of the Circle of Ashes, her body painted in spirals of ochre and soot, her long hair braided with red feathers, her feet bare on the cold earth. She was twenty years old today. And she had been chosen. The Oracle. To speak for the Spirits. To read the future in blood and smoke. To guide the tribe through famine, war, and death.

But first, she had to earn her voice.

The First Trial - The Hundred Strikes
No tears were allowed. That was the rule. To cry out during the first Trial was to admit weakness. The unworthy were cast into the Scab-Wastes to die alone.

She did not cry out.

The elders stood around her, chanting the Litany of Worthy. One by one, the tribe approached, old men with shaking hands, jealous girls, bitter warriors. Unburdened, unmoving, Acarla felt the blows raining down. A fist to her jaw. A knee to her ribs. A elbow to her shoulder. A knee to her stomach. The blows came one after another, unending, until the world blurred around her and her knees threatened to collapse.

But she remained standing.

A crack of bone. A tooth knocked loose. Blood running from her nose, from her ears. Still, she stood. The last to strike was her own mother. A blow to the face that spun her to the ground. But even then, Acarla pushed herself back up, swaying, trembling, but upright.

"She endures," the shaman whispered.

She was carried to the edge of the pit at sunset, her body wrapped in leaves soaked in black root oil to numb the pain.
But there was no test. The next trial began before the stars took their place.

The Second Trial - The Pit of Plague
They stripped her again, covering her body only with a fine mesh of vine and bone beads. Her arms were tied loosely behind her back, a ritual formality. The pit was cool, damp, deep down into the earth, where the breath of the jungle clung. The air was thick with sickness. Mosquitoes, biting flies, Hornets. Larvae with hooked jaws. Gnats that burrowed into the flesh. She was lowered in slowly to the damp, pungent, tempo, faster, more excited, hungry.

>>24531862
When I lose my momentum I stop writing and play around with cover design. It can always be better, prettier, more intentionally laid out. Helps me to re-immerse in the feeing of the story and spark new inspiration for the writing

Kek you guys are never going to get represented by a respectable literary agent because you 1) don't read; 2) don't know how to write a cover letter for the right literary agent; 3) blame everything on DEI (yes, us Brown people do have more flavour and style); 4) are on the wrong side of history

>>24534178
Lmao OK. It's already been posted elsewhere though, but you do you. Scraping amateur writers work to fuck them over on /lit/ is hilarious

>>24534178
I don't think that's how it works, but even if it were he could just rewrite it.

>>24534210
>just rewrite it.
Maybe if you self-pub like a tard, but no publisher nor editor would want to touch something posted online especially 4chan.

>>24534198
Sorry dude but you should heed the rules: stop wasting your SFF stories on 4chan.

>>24534214
I just wanted feedback from people who read. Noted though, I'll keep my wordstuffs to myself

>>24534178
>Transcribe it so I can post it on 4chinz and get archived / mirrored on Warosu for time eternal so you can never use this nor sell it.

>>24534221
>people who read
Then why are you on 4chan? It's for people who want to troll and crab, not read and grow.

>>24534222
>pic
I just got a pro rate contract. I'm trying to help him with tough love.

>>24534223
It's the writing general. I thought this would be a good place to get critical criticism. Obviously I underestimated how it would play out, which is very on brand for 4chan anyway. Lessons learned, and I'll fuck off

>>24534226
>pro rate contract
Sure you did, thats why you're trolling on 4chan nigger

>>24534240
It's for a short story. Not a novel. Once I get an agent for my novel, I am never coming back here again.
And I'm not a troll. I'm an ent protecting the forest and you little orcs from your own stupid selves.
>Side? I'm on nobody's side, because nobody is on my side, little orc.

>>24534234
Send a story to Beneath Ceaseless Skies once you've polished it. They actually give tailored feedback and tell you why they would have accepted it if you changed it for XYZ reasons. The feedback comes from genuine readers of fantasy novels and short stories; they will give you better feedback than anyone.
https://www.beneath-ceaseless-skies.com/

>>24534243
Nah, you fashion yourself Tolkienesque but really you're just a Pokémon fan fiction tier faggot. It will be funny when your "publisher" steals your work and you get nothing

>>24534265
>small minded hobgoblin can't imagine that others on this site actually have talent
Kek. Enjoy being unpublished. This is my sixth story to be paid for.

opening passage.
someone who read it said ‘it wants a laugh track.’

>>24534274
appdata

He leant down to tuck his laces into his shoes. It flopped back out the instant he withdrew his finger. All right, no need to panic. Try again. Second attempt, halfway in, seeming compliant, then - no - out it wriggles. Ridiculous. Even a child could manage this. Third time. With care, delicacy, lace goes in, a slow retreat. Victory, a triumph of human patience and ingenuity. James stood there with his face tilted towards the evening sky shining through the window. James William Roberts, he thought to himself, poet, visionary, and wit. A movement at the corner of his eye made him turn his head.

He had no real reason to expect Sophie not to follow him in.

Fake sober, fake hi.

Talk about a good time.

She said, ‘Get a load of this guy.’

‘Real mature, what are you having?’

‘Two waters’ she said to the bartender.

‘Very funny,’ James replied but the girl behind the bar was already gone.

HAHAHHAHAHHAHHAAHHAAHHAHHA

>>24534280
finally

>>24534246
Thank you.
This seems like the perfect place to submit my weirdness to.

>>24534268
>This is my sixth story to be paid for.

>>24534332
>Perma unpub has no argument

>>24534024
It reads like Candide...

>>24534342
Why argue with a liar? You live in delusion anon, there isn't an argument to be made.
You won't post your own writing, and can't prove your statement. What is there to argue about? It's just you ranting.

>>24534374
You. Are. Unpublished.
I’d post my writing but you can’t afford the cost of a fucking magazine.

>>24534380
So you won't post your writing. Got it. Faggot.

>>24534415
I already posted my writing and no one even critiqued it.

i wish i could come up with a way to write a novel around niche things i know about.
older black ghetto people on youtube making react videos to songs requested in the comments, these OGs who listened to big pun their whole having to pretend to like modest mouse for the yt algorithm. smoking crack before each vid. face twitching, singing lyrics they don't know yet.

>>24534112
>picrel fun
Thanks, I didn't know... Well, that you can earn money with writing.
Jokes aside, I'm trying to learn certain techniques and the excerpts are rather short, like 10 sentences or so. Looking for feedback and harsh ciritque.
The links are awesome, thx.

>>24534161
I've read like 25%.read it diagonal once. I'd say it's entertaining. What's it that you want to achieve?

>>24533349
I mean like editor/beta reader line-by-line notes.

>>24533159
>a quality human audiobook narrator with a AI voice changer to preform all the voices in character
Vastly inferior to a talented voice actor doing actual voices.
>but it's cheap!
Quality is an investment.

>>24534112
>forfeit your copyright
dummy

>>24534280
>>24534274
It's funny but not "ha ha" funny

>>24534161
It's legible but that opening paragraph portends a story with little creativity so I don't care to read more.

>>24534883
Laugh track

>>24534883
yeah that's probably not exactly what they meant. thanks though

>>24534888
Post your hand right now.

get a job

>>24534178
You can do what you want until the mods permaban you, loser

>>24534957
It's not the hand that counts, but what it's used to shape.

>>24534178
>violating copyright law
I'd tell you to enjoy your ban but it seems anon doesn't care enough to report you.

>>24534827
I don't even know... it's not a traditional story. It's more like, national geographic. I’m creating the lore of a primitive culture.
There was no goal, just to tell tales of a place and people steeped in ancient superstitions, hateful demigods and monsters. It started with a simple enough idea, take a modern Fable and twist it. So I wrote about the tooth fairy, or this tribes version of it. Wrote 60 pages in 2 weeks, I was having fun with it.

>>24535076
That's decent. Maybe give us a small summary, like
>socials
People go into the bar and get wasted and let themselfes get tattoo all over the place and cybernetic prehistoric augment, too
>relgion
They swim until they die and go to hwavem
>finance
They use raptor teeth as currency and buy beer from the local trex vendor

Some more info and easy to read please, skip the blue. Does your worldbuild5or lore has a theme? I think that's the most important factor for anything in this regard, no matter the genre. A word or sentence that summarises everything is the theme.

>>24534868
>Quality is an investment.
A investment that most can't afford.

>>24535230
The theme of the people of the Ruun
We suffer. We see. We survive.

The Ruun believe they were once a sky people, living upon the high plateaus that touched the clouds. But the gods grew jealous of their arrogance and struck down their spires with flame and thunder. The survivors tumbled into the earth, and from the ashes, they learned humility.
“The sky is a lie,” the shamans say. “The truth lives in blood and soil.”
From that day, all wisdom was to be earned through agony. Knowledge could not be read, it had to be bled. The Ruun became a people of ritual, of trial, of becoming.

The Ruun believe reality is thin, a brittle membrane separating the waking world from the Overworld, where the true spirits dwell. Most humans live blind, unable to pierce this veil, but through pain, sacrifice, and suffering, they can weaken it. Their oracles are not mystics by choice. They are the sacrificed, made divine. The body must be broken for the soul to slip through. Thus, all rituals are designed not for comfort, but for clarity through ordeal.

That's the basic tenet, I built on it layer by grimy layer, exposing the rot.

>>24535253
My only point is that AI VO is cheap in every sense of the word.

>>24535501
Fair enough.

>>24532315
The abruptness works.

>>24534422
It was unnoteworthy then. if it was a pile of steaming shit it would get responses, if it was genuinely good it would get responses
you're middle of the pack apparently. keep working at it

i want to write a short story that's a bunch of people in a locked room arguing if god exists or not but i don't know i would conclude it.
i don't want to suck myself off and conclude with my viewpoint(agnosticism) because it is the most boring conclusion (from a narrative standpoint at least.)

>>24535732
can’t imagine anyone in their right mind who would want to be in that fucking room. so why would someone want to read about ti?

>>24535732
Whatever argument is the last one I'd just follow it with someone against it saying
>"Sure, that's compelling, but it's not like that's the last word on the matter."
and end it there

>>24535735
>he's never been to the creationism vs. atheism corner of youtube
lucky you

>>24535735
>crab babble
have you read a single short story in your life?

>>24535735
>can’t imagine anyone in their right mind who would want to be in that fucking room.
character idea right there

>>24535743
i’ve been in that corner of an awful party at 5am when everyone’s doing coke having a group discussion about this and no one’s having fun

>>24535745
i have read a single short story yeah

>>24530800
Alright. I went through it. The fonts are definitely not necessary, you can tell who is talking. I removed them. I think I just wanted what had become familiar rather than what was best. Classic.

>>24535791

>>24535918
is it the same one guy in this board who’s actually responding to posts with reaction images like it’s 2010 4chan all of a sudden

>>24535930

I wrote a short story. Where would I put it so that you niggas can read it without invalidating it for publication? Or should I just have it beta-read. It's around 7k words. I don't think I can cut it down more. Do any of you guys have any suggestions for where I could send it?

My male character is supposed to be really horny over the protag girl for serous plot reasons. How sexually explicit should I make my novel? My mother (a heavy Christian) and family will read this so I don't want to make it too awkward if it's not necessary. Also, technically, it's supposed to be "Young Adult" in terms of how appropriate it's supposed to be.

>>24536083
usually you'd use a screenshot but there's a crab anon who scanned and posted a screenshot specifically so scraping software would find it
don't upload anywhere if you want to publish it

>>24536109
>Don’t post it online if you want to ever publish it
Every writer in the world has to follow this rule. Stop trying to milk dopamine by having something read by other people. If you yearn for a readership, build your internal voice so much that they thought you laboured for hours lovingly over your text instead of shitting it out for quick fixes of approval.

>>24536146
>stop posting your writing
nah bitch
I (job haver) don't write because I'm an embarrassed millionaire. I write because I like it. I will post my retarded shlock, self insert slop, angsty poetry, and far too ambitious pseudointellectual masterpieces and there isn't shit you can do about it

I'm well over halfway done writing my draft but I still have more text ahead of me than any projects I've completed before
Novels are fucking long, man.

>>24536148
.. did you post anything?

>>24536148

>>24536155
I do from time to time
>>24536156
>it's the girlboss phone poster
gotcha BITCH
get. a. job.

>>24536083
Releasing it publicly is technically publishing it. But if you upload it to pastebin with a deletion timer, none of us will tell on you. Except maybe that one autist lurking who might copy/paste the text and post it directly. But if that happens, you can report his post for violating your copyright and give him a much-needed time-out.

>>24536156
>imagines publishers will be clamoring for his first pub rights just as long as he doesn't share it on 4chan
lmao

>>24536167
I’m published

>>24536156
https://youtu.be/-DN1TIDZPH4?si=p1orVgyTuYTGeMOk

>>24536160
I’m published. You. Are. Not.

less than a week til my short story is due and i just can't make myself give a fuck about it
they probably weren't gonna buy it anyway

>>24536177
It took me three years until I got a pro sale

>>24536175
you are not

>>24536163
Ok. I've only shared it directly with my friends who I know won't fuck me over. Thanks for the advice. What a fucking faggot.

>>24536182
I've had a pro sale. To be honest it kind of sapped my motivation for writing, I think it was one of the most boring things I ever wrote and the thought of having to pump out more stories like that just makes me want to start a pseudonymous substack where I write edgy flash fiction for seven non-paying readers.

>>24536188
At least the money is good

Trying my hand and writing some ero. Scene where the girl is getting a body wax.

>A second later, the hot sting of a fire ant bit my labia.

idk

>>24536156
Sharing drafts on 4chan is not the same thing as publishing. Publishing means a complete, finished draft released for public consumption. If you're not doing that, you're not publishing.

And at the end of hte day, the publishers don't give a shit anyway. They even buy books that have already been published on Kindle/Amazon. All they care about is whether they're going to make money or not.

>>24536192
lol

>>24536192
You should have her actually be bit by a fireant

>>24536192
that fireant?
me

>>24536171
>imagines he's published
lmao

>>24536217
I already posted my publications and no one engaged with it.

>>24536205
Someone would just read your drafts on warosu if they wanted to read it for free. Therefore no publisher would buy your manuscript because it’s free to read online.

>>24536226
could you stop wondering out of /wng/ please

>>24536228
You don’t know how publishing works.

>>24536231
This guy is obsessed

Any of your screenwriters have experience converting your screenplays into novels? How did it go?
>started converting my first feature (90 pages)
>got about 13000 words in before I realized that particular story does not work outside of a screen
>going to try my luck again on another screenplay with a narrative that could be more apt for the page

>>24536226
Who's out here posting full drafts in the thread? I have, but only a link that's long since expired.

>>24536239
>that particular story does not work outside of a screen
whymst

>>24536238
Destroy your serial rights. But I warned you, little orc.

>>24536248
you did it. you said your piece
you're a true hero and everyone is truly thankful for your presence and wisdom
now fuck off

>>24536246
https://neil-clarke.com/first-rights/

>>24536250
You’re mad.

>>24536254
do you even read the posts you reply to
get a trip

>>24536247
Even out of context, this page alone should sum up the issue.
Would be funny if this post baited the first pub rights wacko

Here are a few examples of situations where a story has been published:

it appears in a book, magazine, pamphlet, postcard, etc. (self-publishing and school journals included) that is freely available or sold
it appears on your website for visitors to read (no matter what size your audience is)
it appears on a publicly available website (like Wattpad or a forum, even one with membership restrictions)
it is distributed as a Patreon or Kickstarter reward (money has changed hands, no different than selling an ebook)

>>24536262
Here are a few examples of situations where a publisher finds out you shared your story on 4chan and you lose out on your dream big publishing deal because of it:

>>24536259
i did something like that in a little thing i was writing ages ago

>>24536226
>because it’s free to read online.
Every book that's ever been published is free to read online. Nobody gives a shit.

>>24536259
>script about the medium of film
surprised you tried to move to prose in the first place

>>24536267
Based. Fuck the fourth wall.

>>24536268
Where? Get me the latest Tor catalogue for free. Oh, you mean pirated ebooks from Russia that are illegal.

>>24536266
Crab. Go solve a chess problem and come back with a better mindset.

>>24536270
I didn't think about it, just started writing

>>24536272
sometimes it just comes over you

>>24536276
BASED

>>24536267
I like this. I don't exactly care for meta, but theme aside, the writing is crisp and engaging. I would continue reading.

>spent 10 extra minutes using 4chan after the day changed before I fulfilled my self-imposed daily word count goal

>>24527974
Maybe dont
Ai can easily do ts by just changing proper nouns n such
Stretch and contort the original story until its barely there
Find resonances with other stories you like and mix them up

>>24536266
you can also share it on reddit, discord, and every other site.

>>24536292
rebuilt the 4th wall next page

>>24536312
Unironically kill yourself

>>24536315
See >>24536254
>>24536262

>>24536326
that's only for completed works. if you're posting random ass excerpts and first drafts it's not an "exclusive"' for sale book

>>24536336
Have you ever sent anything out to an agent?

Your work is published if...
>Publisher: it is now or has ever been publicly available anywhere, including online, bookshop, or a mass event such as an expo. In which case we won't have it.
>The rest of the world: it has been picked up and published by a registered publisher as a standalone work, or included in a magazine or anthology. Putting it online or self-publishing doesn't count.

>>24536612
Source

>>24536616
I farded

I have met Nobel Laureates in literature and they don’t even know what 4chan is
Don’t worry about being outted for being posted here

bro's talking about 4chan with nobel laureates

Can I get some opinions on the story summary portion of my agent query letter please?

THE GOD-MOUNTAIN is an adult fantasy novel with series potential that is complete at 114,900 words.

To the coddled Prince Maceus, his future kingdom doesn’t mean much beyond its brothels and inns. When his god – a great mountain called Niatas – starts quaking and fracturing, he continues to thoughtlessly indulge in pleasure while the people despair, knowing that with the god-mountain’s death their rivers will run dry and their lands will turn barren. After a drinking spree in which he vandalises a peasant’s property, his crushing guilt makes him reflect; at this trying time, the people need to see in him their next king, not a boy. When the king’s foreign councillor Adohin suggests his own living gods might offer a solution to the mysterious tremors of Niatas, Maceus sees an opportunity for growth by separating himself from luxuries and decides to join him on a journey back to his homeland.

Upon reaching Adohin’s gods, they are given a crystal said to destroy the source of the quakes residing in the depths of Mount Niatas. How they know this, or what that ‘source’ is, they do not share – instead insisting to withhold from using the crystal before fully comprehending what’s being destroyed. Puzzled, yet determined by a tangible hope of saving his god and kingdom, Maceus sets out for the holy Mount Niatas.

Yet his greatest enemy is one he cannot slay with sharp ends or magic crystals: A weak and fickle will. His initial determination cowers when the trek bares its teeth as they face an unstoppable assassin, battle mechanical monstrosities, and ultimately find out the shocking truth of their world. Aided by Adohin’s sage guidance, Maceus will have to decide if he has the courage to continue, or if he will return to a life of indifference.

>Alternative start, more dramatic but starts with world-building instead of immediately introducing the protagonist. Let me know which one you prefer.
A god-mountain is dying. Quaking. Fracturing. As the people despair, knowing that with the death of Mount Niatas their rivers will run dry and their lands will turn barren, the coddled Prince Maceus is indifferent as he continues to indulge in pleasure – to him, his future kingdom never meant much beyond its brothels and inns.

How palatable is it if the writing is done in a first person perspective, the main character have most of the answers, but the reader isn't privy to some of his inner monologue and has to piecemeal things based on his conversation with other characters.

>>24537112
I refer the alternative start.

The main text is still a bit too much though. You have to be more concise.

>>24537274
Thanks. I've cut it down from 282 words to 222. I think the information is retained while still being clear.
https://privatebin.net/?67cb4b459c2b8151#ofAh33QyUoBZdv3A6d2YaTR7JztycCfC1zrG7RBU8dR

>Plot/Concept: 10/10
>Character Development: 9/10
>Pacing: 8/10
>Prose/Style: 10/10
>Philosophical Depth & Clarity: 10/10
>Originality: 10/10
Thanks, Gemini

>>24537235
I like the concept but that whittles down your audience. A lot of people won’t be able to fill in the blanks.

>>24537112
Is this Nero’s redemption arc?

>>24537441
Now let's see what /wg/ has to say

>>24531086
>>24533150
>>24537441
stupid question, do you upload the whole book to the LLM? or just a summary + samples?

>>24537112
>114,900 words
This is gargantuan for a debut novel. Your cover letter is, too. Think of it as me roleplaying as a busy agent while I skip reading any further.
Be concise.

>>24537112
You don't really need the 3rd paragraph imo. It's getting into too much detail on the plot. Just end the 2nd paragraph saying that they embark on a quest.

>>24537235
Isn't that Hemingway?

I will write the next great american novel
It will be a rambling characters stumbles through 2010s LA, and also the internet, at the same time
Every sentance will be wrought and overwrought with allusions and resonances to everything from ancient creation myth to medieval brewing recipes, to internet microceleb drama and youtube poops
Ik someone says this every thread
But by using ai research, it think itd be pretty easy