The Master & Margarita ed.
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god, please send me a man capable of humbling me

Pontius Pilate did nothing wrong and it was all the jews fault
i am happy he got his name cleared

>>24528686
>his job: oversee legal trials
>ponty when asked to do his job: idk man , let someone else make that decision, I want nothing to do with it :3
ok

I made this a long time ago

>>24528695
nice

>>24528695
Here's the first part. A fascinating (?) glimpse into the kind of thoughts I was having at the time.

>>24528693
>did his job and gave out punishment
>said the beating is enough to punish him under Roman law(there is no other form of law)
>crucify him! crucify him!
>be kind and give this guy an out, since he has plenty of fans they should-
>barnabas! we choose barnabas!
>already did my job and the dude seems to have a death wish anyway whats the worst that could happen

>>24528706
>I see no evidence that he is guilty of the crimes he is accused of
>meh, lets beat him anyways to shut up the haters
>wtf the haters are still not shutting up
>uuuh… guess we make this a little game where we ask random idiots that have no information on the matter other than gossip on the streets
>oh, even better idea, lets not just ask them wether he should get killed or not, lets ask them which one of two random people they want killed because someone needs to get killed to satisfy the bloodlust of these people
>oh well, they chose they guy that already got beat and that I think did nothing wrong
>tough luck but - ultimately not my problem, not like I wanted this, THEY wanted that
damn, he was such a cuck, lol

I hate everything and everyone

>>24528711
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCCVbwB6Vhk&pp=ygUZd2VsY29tZSB0byB0aGUgY2x1YiBidWRkeQ%3D%3D

Anyone else no longer read domestic and local news in the US because it's too depressing? I still read world news though.

>>24528715
my only source of news is when I get wind of some happening, so I go to pol to check it out
then I realize that it was a nothingburger and nothing ever happens, so I lose interest again and go back to ignoring the news completely

>>24528715
I'm not from the US tho

What am I trying so hard for? Who gives a shit? I'm just another copy+paste 20 something touch starved lonely white guy. The human equivalent of the weeds that grow through the cracks in the sidewalk. 500 years ago I would have been conscripted and used as cannon fodder during a failed assault on some old French fortress and my body would have been trampled into the mud to rot. Today I'll stumble through the days at my McJob and the nights in my shithole apartment until I unceremoniously die in a traffic accident or kill myself. Who cares?

I'm so fucking tired of being a NEET, why can't I get a job

>>24528724
props for the humility

>>24528726
neet with neetbucks or starving anon?

>>24528735
neither, managed to save up a bit after I got laid off but it won't last very long

>>24528739
so close to starving then
i wish you luck in the rat race anon

>>24528685
you called

>>24528745
yes, hi

>>24528685
What did he mean by this?

>>24528750
what do you think?

>>24528727
it’s painted as humility but it’s actually deeply narcissistic, isn’t it? it’s not ‘I’m nothing,’ rather it’s ‘let me tell you, in rich detail, exactly how nothing I am.’
self-mythologizing, even in a negative light is the same psychological mechanism as grandiosity, just flipped.

>>24528753
sure, in a way
it‘s mourning the fact that after all, you aren‘t the center of the universe, unlike previously assumed or hoped
but there can also be peace in this realization, a burden off the shoulders, expectations of excellence and individuality on yourself that drop away
the ego craves mythologizing the self, and I think realizing you are not nothing but also not everything is the sane middle ground between self hatred and delusions of grandeur

>>24528686
Jesus was a jew himself and broke the rules by making a fuss about the moneylenders in the temple. He only has himself to blame

>>24528758
I read a book about picasso, and in a period of his life where everything was falling apart he said something like ‘who cares, life is just a bad novel anyway,’ which i think is the actual middle ground between extremes (yeats once wrote ‘the best lack all conviction, while the worst / are full of passionate intensity’). kind of freeing and unexhausting without leaning too heavily into to self-pity.

my room got invaded by two roaches, i killed the first, but the second one was too quick, took me hours until i gave up, and i started reading a book and the little fucker just crawled on my bed like an idiot.
i slammed my shoe on it.


WE ARE THE CHAMPIOOOOOOOOONS

>>24528779
good boi

>>24528767
Jesus in M&M was Syrian thoughever

>>24528798

>>24528676 (OP)
tf w I've read this book in my mother tongue

>>24528842
ok

In a different life, I would have been an intelligence analyst and eventually executive. I love the world of espionage and spooks and deception and counterintelligence.

>make any post on a board other than /lit/
>e.g., "X was pretty good, but I think Y did a better job of depicting [theme A]. But Y did a better job of depicting [theme B]. If some Z could combine X's coverage of [theme A] and Y's coverage of [theme B], that would be ideal."
>simple post, plenty of room to disagree with its premises but the point being made is basic
>every reply is some phoneposting retard saying shit like "Uhhh okay buddy. Wow just wow retard. Seriously retard? [Theme A] was definitely in X."
>try to reply gently, "Yes, I know, I'm saying I think Y did it better though"
>even more hostile, bizarre replies, deliberately missing the point
>some other guy joins in, "YOU'RE JUST AN XFAG!!!"
>"What? I said I thought X was great"
>reply: "Lol suuuuuuure buddy I'm fucking DONE with this conversation"

What the hell is going on on other boards, why are they all like this

>considering making an Ex Libris
>literally no idea what to make it
>it'll probably be expensive
I like simple artstyles, but I don't want it to look like a children's book

>>24528894
>X was pretty good, but I think Y did a better job of depicting [theme A]. But Y did a better job of depicting [theme B]. If some Z could combine X's coverage of [theme A] and Y's coverage of [theme B], that would be ideal.

In that case, Y did a better job depicting theme A and depicting theme B. Why would you need some Z to combine the coverage of X's coverage of A and Y's coverage of B when X did a worse coverage of A and B?

>>24528922
Yeah I fucked that up, I just meant to give an example of a relatively simple point someone might make about generic media, like something like "I liked Event Horizon's cosmic horror elements but when they amounted to slasher gore it was a letdown, because cosmic horror isn't just scary because the demon/monster might cut your eyes out, it's scary for different reasons" or "Fallout 3 was fun in its own way but it needlessly diluted or diverged from the lore/setting of earlier Fallouts." Statements where there is ample room for disagreement. What I don't understand is why the disagreement always takes a form like
>I had fun playing Fallout 3. Are you saying I didn't have fun? How do you know what I find fun, you fucking retard? You just hate Fallout 3.
I'm just like, what? I said Fallout 3 was fun. Why the hostility, why the bitchiness, why the obsession with "owning?"

Even even your post is an example of what people DON'T do on other boards. You just asked the question, for clarification. No bitchiness.

>>24528676 (OP)
I like the master and margarita

official thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2az8ch_EIU

Takes me a good bit of time to decide which movie or TV show I wanna watch and when I finally make up my mind and try to search it on the pirate-streaming app on my FireStick, there aren't any sources available. So cringe.

don't mind me, just tryna' get based

>>24529045
watch porn

>>24529099
The site I use deleted all videos and pictures tagged under my favorite keywords, it's over. My .txt file with hundreds of links is useless now. Useless! A monument to a better time of pleasure. Now it serves as a reminder that things don't last forever on the internet.

>>24529080
hows that going so far?

>>24529134
Not well. It's just something I like to sing to myself when walking around the house or cooking.

dododoo, just just just, tryna' get BAAAASED

Might as well be meaningless. Don't know where I got it from.

The perfect man.

>>24529223
I heard he was 5’5

The delusion of the married man is that his life isn't one of quiet humiliation, but "sacrifice", which becomes the source of his pride. It is no wonder that cuckolding is such a popular fetish. It's the sickening cope of all married men taken to it's extreme.

>>24529253
He also had neurosyphilis and was ugly as sin

>>24529263
some mysteries solve themselves

I'm the king of cats
Meow

>>24529300
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mae6ebYnXw

>>24529263
He looks Chad as fk there. It goes to show what difference a few scraps of hair make.

>>24529327
It's fake hair, he was balding heavily since high school

>>24529338
y the blackface

>>24529121
ebalovo.net
you welcome

Today, I decided to become a weeb and a furry because the average person makes light of them. Are you going to be an NPC? I'm not. Since this is the reading board I'll let you know that I'm scouring for material which a furry would read, it was quite easy to find something Japanese to read appealingly, but the idea of a furry book sounds appalling to me and fills me with a nauseated symptom.

You wanna hear a horror story? Just ask a lefty the end goal of his ideology

About a year ago, I finished my first novel. My grandmother kept asking when I would finish it, and she is my number one reader. I wanted to finish it for her as I figured she didn't have much time left. She had a stroke a few weeks ago. The entire leff half of her body is innert and she is pretty much confined to her bed at her nursing home. I don't think she has much time left. I'm happy she got to read the book, at least. I couldn't do much to repair our family, but I hope that was enough to convey my love.

>>24529450
To create a fairer society where everyone has access to healthcare, education, and a decent standard of living

I took a tour of my local church. The priest showed us the safe where they keep all the money. Now I know what to do when I'm low on funds.

>>24528676 (OP)
A recurrent pattern in my REM dreams is losing my orientation in a massive mall or sprawling urban place, then snapping out it by sheer will when I feel a bit dizzy. The weird thing about is how much I enjoy the environments during, and the music after waking. For some reason my memory for spontaneously conjured music is fragile, and evaporates in 30 minutes no matter what, but my visual memory persists so long that from, one yesterday, I can remember the weave and color set of a certain fabric, the look of cabinet woodgrains in a store department not to be found anywhere on the planet now, and from a decade previous, about 40 cars. and one high-rise hotel complex that, I suppose, affords a level of quiet and privacy that, even still, only exists in fantasy.

I know what I have to do to not write myself into a corner, but it's difficult. I still kind of have to write myself into a corner first.

>>24529493
crime against god

>>24529505
In another one from last night, I was in a huge research facility with the general look of a metropolitan hospital, and out of boredom I opened a heavy steel to a vaguely back door of it. There I saw a suavely paved path through a comfily nearby corn field to tne near left, a heavy green ridge running across my front, a lake to my right of about 10 acres, and just behind it, Arborvitae and cottonwoods topping out at about 600 feet, in a loose but towering stand. Fantastic, as much in the sense of fantasy as hyperbole.

People really pay money for cinema tickets to keep their phones on and ruin it for everyone else.

It should be the one place I'm not getting nerve damage and migraines from people's LEDs, but they genuinely don't think rules apply to them.

>>24529699
i take girls to the cinema and talk all through the movie

>>24529712
Yeah I should just steal all of them

>>24529625
sorry to have to pick on you but this is a prime example of why beginner writers are commonly warned away from using adverbs. Allow me to spell it out for you: words that end in -ly modify verbs, "comfily nearby" is an abomination

>>24529740
>Like nobody's ever been comfortably well off

You talk the talk but can you walk the walk?

>>24529744
no

It's pretty funny how the Korean war veterans fall into oblivion

People who do ASMR licking must have strong tongues by now.

>>24529796
Whenever I get a gf I quickly rip my tongue frenulum from eating her pussy and ass a lot and my tongue is longer for the duration of the relationship, then she breaks up with me for being racist and it heals and my tongue is shorter

>>24529796
strongest muscle in the body

>>24529801
I enjoyed reading this post, thank you.

they need your help

recurring nightmare where the e-girl comes out of hiatus just to say that she doesn‘t like me specifically

>>24528686
Pontius stands for the mostly White left-wing bureacrats who get away with doing horrible things both to other White people and to minorities in the name of demagogues.

>>24528798
Fun fact, in the Soviet Union people constantly conflated the two
Soviet literature is filled with references to Syrians as Jews and Jews as Syrians
t. old Ukrainean

Whenever other guys talk about sex, it's always about their physical pleasure. I mean sure, that's all nice and important, but am I the only one who thinks the best part is when the girl cums? To hear her moaning rise, peak, and fall, her legs and insides shake, her fingers grip your hair, her neck to shoot back, her eyes to look at you right before then right after because during she had to close them because it was too intense? I'm bummed out when I don't succeed in making her feel this way.

At least half of the soon to be transexuals would not become transexuals if 4chan was to shut down forever along with any potential replacement website
More than 80% of mass shooters would not become mass shooters if censorship on the internet targeted the extremist rhetoric that is commonly shared in here and adjacent groups.
No user of 4chan can counter these facts without giving insane arguments.

FINALLY finished The Master and Margarita last night. Holy shit. I thought I was gonna enjoy that a lot more but it was rather tedious. Albeit I first read it when I was 18 and I forgot most of it, so it was cool coming back to the book with what I know now as an adult, and am able to guess or tell when the book is making an allusion to Soviet daily life or the state, and stuff like that, compared to when I was 18 and was a lot more ignorant of the book's context. Now, on to 2001: A Space Odyssey!

>>24529964
Once the genie is out of the bottle...

>>24530029
What? Are you afraid of a little censorship?

>>24529964
Mass shootings is stupid term because encompasses nig shootings as well. Most of the mass shootings happened in the hood and had nothing to do with 4chan, not only that but very few shootings occured by 4chan rethoric. Most of the school shooting were related to bullying

>>24529964
i take it you must be in favour of banning gun ownership?

>>24530098
Obviously, I'm not talking about gang members killing each other. Almost all perpetrators of mass shootings have had political manifestos in which they mention or reference internet subcultures, and most of the time they use common talking points from the extremist internet discourse to justify their actions.
>>24530099
Why are you taking that? You shouldn't, I don't. Obviously gun ownership is more important than the continued existence of a child rape advocacy website.

>>24529964
How about we just abolish the CIA instead?

>>24530119
>No user of 4chan can counter these facts without giving insane arguments

>>24530091
You censor ideas before they enter the public consciousness, not after

>>24530116
so gun ownership is sacred, even though it enables mass shootings - but freedom of speech isn’t, because you personally associate some platforms with bad actors?

I want to know if there are people that experience this

So whenever I feel a shit coming on and you know how it kind of feels good cause it rubs against your prostate. Like its so fucking hard to explain but I enter full analytical autism mode at this point. Like I'll be really interested in random things like searching up sports statistics and shit

We are created just to die
Our sins the reason why

>>24530147
Grim.

I'm sure it'll be listed under positive when you say that on a job interview

>>24530130
Gun ownership allows for potential victims to protect themselves in the event of a life threatening situation involving dangerous assailants, on the other hand, an ideologically motivated spree killer is able to use means other than guns to harm people.
The fact that most of these killers are familiar with the common discourses of this internet sphere is not a personal association of mine, but a reality that you can verify yourself by skimming through their manifestos.
I am yet to hear about the perks of this kind of "freedom of speech". I gave two reasons against the continued existence of this website, you addressed one, and i could give a dozen more.

>>24528685

I'm rolling the dice and shooting the shit with my cousin today. I'm taking a chance and shooting my shot and aiming high for the moon, hoping I don't shoot myself in the foot. I'm hoping I don't shoot my mouth off and piss the shit out of my cousin and shoot blanks like I usually do and ruin all chances of hitting it off with my cousin. It could be a long shot, but you miss 100% of the shots you don't take as they say. Locking in and pulling the trigger this time, mark my words.

I don't believe in Hitler.

>>24530316
You're going to have sex with your cousin?

>>24530316

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZqXfiSt94o&list=RDKZqXfiSt94o&start_radio=1&pp=ygUJY291c2luIHlloAcB

>brother gets in a car crash
>has to stay in the hospital for a little bit
>go to his place to pick up some things for him
>computer left on and logged in with a million porn tabs open
>very clearly cum stained underwear front and center at the top of the laundry hamper
>gingerly open drawers looking for a couple changes of clothes for him
>get the wrong drawer and discover a bunch of cosplay shit and girly underwear
>enter bathroom
>small pile of sex toys lying in the corner of the shower
>finally get everything and bring it to him at the hospital
>pretend I didn't see anything

>>24530405
your brother will see this

Every time I see the word “uncool” I have a viscerally negative reaction now.

>>24530405
Your brother is out there fucking hot cosplay bitches and here you are greentexting about him dismissively.

>>24530555
Sounds more like anon's brother is getting fucked while wearing cosplay.

>>24529262
truly, sacrifice is a euphemism for humiliation. cuckolding is not only a fetish today, but a perennial anxiety throughout history. All men have lived and died for through all of history are their stupid whore women.

>>24530627
Can I get one of those stupid whore women please?

>>24530629
have mine... but you'll be nothing to her...just like me...

>>24529939
I hope she sees this bro

Why did you have to handle it in the most hurtful way possible?

working on my novella now. its about a young white man who lives in california in an 80% mexican town and his only friends are an internet racist hes never met and a vietnamese tranny he met in university who he is pretty certain is cheating on him but loves xir too much to do anything about it
it ends with him getting into a prestigious law school but being too chickenshit to go and so he rots in his room all day and dreams of writing a novella about it all
think no longer human crossed with the matrix
its semi-autobiographical

The next great work of art won't came out from the cities, they are too shallow now even by city standards

>>24530210
sounds like your more afraid of words than bullets
and in our part of the world, we don’t believe liberty needs to justify itself by producing utility. if you think rights should be preserved even when bad people abuse them (as with guns), then you should apply that standard consistently, rather than defending one freedom by its best-case scenario (‘self-defense’) and attacking another by its worst-case outcomes. that isn’t a principled approach.

>>24530210
sounds like you’re more afraid of words than bullets
and in our part of the world, we don’t believe liberty needs to justify itself by producing utility. if you think rights should be preserved even when bad people abuse them (as with guns), then you should apply that standard consistently, rather than defending one freedom by its best-case scenario (‘self-defense’) and attacking another by its worst-case outcomes. that isn’t a principled approach.

>>24530799
Add apocalyptic futurist cowboys
https://youtu.be/rTVKJgZxgcA?si=r6Vux69OKb11Sx8_
https://youtu.be/vNdHofNRuig?si=9ww6E6W0TpW7CXKq

Invite me into your home. Tell me that I'm invited.

Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, etc. would've been electronic artists today.

Roman India

The ignorance some women have about male sexuality dispite having the much more sexual partners than men is outstanding

I wish I had kids. I'd love to have a son and then a daughter or two.
The families I see in public and the families my coworkers are part of seem to create the boundaries of their own worlds. The cares, worries, hopes, and joys of many people become a meaning unto themselves when shared. A single person, on the other hand, is forever tossed on the waves of one wide world, in whose face he is irrelevant.
I wonder how long I can sustain life alone before I fall apart. Maybe one day I'll meet someone and things will work out for once but I'm not getting my hopes up.

And we know who you are
And we know where you live
And we know there’s no need to forgive

How is this "Captain Queeg" reference do ubiquitous? I've seen it in multiple shows and at first I thought they were talking about the Native American or African or whatever from Moby Dick, which I definitely didn't understand, until I looked it up just now.

last night I had a case of ED for some weird reason
this was after I came once

Note to self: 1054 was the year *it* happened.

These days it feels kind of pointless to revel in abstract thoughts or think about societal, historical phenomenons. Maybe I am too old for it? I just don't see how that changes anything about my life. As it doesn't, it never does. This kind of thinking only makes sense when you are already settled in life and everything is the way you want it to be.

>>24531195
>this was after I came once
doesn't count then

>>24530405
>Rectum, I hardly knew him
>Sometimes you gotta sell your holes bitch, these bills ain't gonna pay themselves.
Tell your buttfucking sibling that I will pray for a speedy recovery.
Have a book

>>24531229
so it is normal? I've rarely had this shit before

>>24531235
All I'm saying is I wouldn't worry about it unless you can't even get it up for the first round. Otherwise it could be anything -- nutrition, stress, psychological, tired, hell, just happenstance.

Anyone have any examples of well-done eulogies? Preferably done by a writer.

>>24530715
Sorry, I was watching a TV show where it showed two of the characters fucking and the girl having a nice climax and it really turned me on and inspired me.

It's interesting that for all the disagreements and differences in moral systems in the world between societies and individuals, for all the people who are outright sociopaths and don't generally think and feel in ethical terms, there is in fact one universal impulse: the morality of favors. When someone does something for you, you do something in return.

Sure, you could boil it down to an evolutionary psychological and game theory perspective, where repaying favors is how you get people to continue doing favors for you, and survival throughout human history has always found the practice of favors, giving when you have excess and receiving when you're in need, to be of vital importance, often the difference between starving, getting killed, having no shelter, all sorts of negative outcomes, and surviving, living, ending the day with a full belly and a nice, safe place to sleep, even flourishing. And there's no doubt truth to that.

But where it becomes interesting is people feel the ethical impulse even when there ceases to be any appreciable tangible benefit. Say, someone helps get you a job. Fifteen years later, you're now above them on the social ladder, they no longer have anything you want or even lack the ability to achieve on your own. Yet, when they come to you for some kind of assistance, for a favor in return, to cash in their chit, there is no one who wouldn't feel compelled to grand them an audience to hear them out and, assuming the request isn't too much trouble of course, help out if you can.

The most sociopathic, selfish, only-out-for-themselves, amoral or hell even totally immoral person feels this ethical impulse. Even if they were to decline, they would feel the need to justify it. "I couldn't do it, it would cost me too much," sure, but not one confusion in the duty, no "but why should I do this? I already got what I wanted from you" if the original act was unmistakably in the context of a favor.

Just always found it interesting. The universal moral impulse of the favor.

Fuck, I've having such a brainfart. I can't remember the name of certain continental philosopher, last name starts with a V... kinda similar to Levinas? Anyone know who I'm talking about? Damnit.

>>24531443
Eric Voegelin! nvm figured it out

There was a /lit/ discord I joined probably 7-8 years ago (a good one, where people actually read, but that's besides the point). There was this Canadian girl with HUUGE honkers that liked Murakami (yuck) and would argue in favor of AI art all the time. Does anyone know her by any chance? I want to know her thoughts on what AI art has become, with all the piss stained chatGPT art that is pumped out these days.

>>24531448
yeah i fucked her

>>24531452
I don't care about her in that way, she's probably too fat for my tastes these days, like all big chested women. Can you ask her what she think about piss stained chatGPT generations?

I hate talking stop making me talk

Sex without emotion is like... is like what? Eating food without nutrients or flavor? Watching a move on mute? Help me out here.

Been listening to Misfits and playing a lot of Pokémon lately.

Man, I deserve the guillotine.

>>24531518
It sounds pretty awesome.

>>24531522
>>24531524
These are both me. I keep tabbing checking to see if their are any new replies in the thread and I keep seeing >>24531524 and thinking somebody is saying what I've been doing is pretty awesome. Alas, it's just me. Damn.

>>24529964
>Anon's too young to remember that Doom and Jerry Springer cause mass shootings and transsexuals
Silly anonbo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEc9nXErU-Y

>>24530824
Meh some great works of art or even periods are all surface, because it's the viewer that ascribes depth to anything

>>24530837
what is your best case scenario?

>>24531624
best case scenario for free speech is that people are free to speak. it’s a foundational principle.

>>24530824
the city is where the action is

>>24528676 (OP)
Just heard early Primus. Sounds like Public Image Ltd.

https://youtu.be/MxR8z4-mFec?si=aPJB5IW2xNjTh-J9

My lexapro makes me extremely tired after I take it, so you should think I should take it an night right? WRONG. After I take it I'm able to slip into a peaceful nap that I am not able to do without Lexapro. I love the nap man, I love it. Even if the dreams I have are fucking scary. It still feels good

>>24531676
i’ve been having very vivid dreams lately. it’s kind of interesting how different things can affect your dreams - drugs obviously, but also foods, if you watch a lot of movies that influences them…
what’s a lexapro dream you had?

>>24531683
Nta but I have wild dreams where there's a whole plot going on and people in the dream keep trying to involve me and i'm like
>Okay you do that and I'll be sitting here eating this cake I found because that's none of my business

>>24531690
lol that’s very fundamental, that goes deep down in the psyche

>>24531693
I have found some excellent places with cake in my dreams who have believed my story about the intergovernmental plot abducting me and taking my wallet

>>24531683
This dream I had a couple days ago during a nap:

I was in my house and it was like an extremely downcast day, very eerie. I have my two dogs but also for some reason, a small coyote and a white (badger?) got into the house.

Parents said it was not safe for them to be here so I asked my dad to help me get them out but he refused for some reason. Eventually I was trying to find a way to get them out and saw them somewhat playing with my dogs but knew they could turn any time so i was slightly worried.

My uncle then came in delivering something, and something just felt off.
As I was watching my dad on the recliner, my dad was walking up the stairs so there was two of them. I gloated and pointed at them since I knew why it felt so weird. I repeated it's a glitch hahaha because I caught this weird world in a mistake.

But then, I woke up in a hospital with my mother saying to wake me up from the MRI (meant coma) she had to create that world. I moved my arms and they felt really heavy with an iv attached to one, she said, "Wow, you're really out of it." (No shit) Then, I woke up in real life.

>>24531704
never had the dream inside a dream before

>>24531554
kek

>>24531642
You make it sound as if my statements are subject to some kind double standard yet you can't provide examples for the best possible scenarios of "freedom of speech", even when you implied one should take into consideration the best possible conditions for making these comparison without hypocrisy. All you can offer is flawed circular logic. I predicted this.
I am not convinced the rest of the world has benefited at all from adopting the suicidal values of your part of the world, any outsider looking in is able to tell there is something deeply wrong within you and the new narratives you come up with, if the ever increasing pile of corpses of incels, chuds, trannies and their victims is not enough tell.

>>24531817
the whole point is that free speech doesn't need a 'use case' like a product - it’s a principle. it’s important to live in a society that doesn't let autistic systematisers design the rules.

i haven’t said a word in defence of any particular basket-weaving forum. all i did was point out where your logic leads, you rejected that conclusion, then i showed you can't reject it without undermining your original argument. if you applied this same logic to gun rights, you’d be arguing for confiscation tomorrow. but you don’t. you're not arguing from principle.

>>24531878
Free speech as a principle is abhorrent

>>24531897
>no argument

Good meowning :3c

>>24531897
either you believe in rights or you don’t.

>>24531897
Atrocious position. I don't know how anyone with a brain can think this. You are a literal golem.

>>24531897
>No user of 4chan can counter these facts without giving insane arguments.

>>24528708
Gotta make concessions when you're a governor in a remote shithole backwater province of the Roman empire

>>24529139
https://youtu.be/Q8QwGlScWc0

23-year-old grandmother.

i'm now a wizard and i've existed long enough to want to die. not even the first time i'd have pressed the button. please end this this is hell

>>24532123
what tf do you want me to do??

>>24532123
I'm going to be one in a few months, can't wait. I'm fully ready to be able to speak to animals or be able to control the weather.

Need

>>24532123
will my wizardry count if i’ve had chances where girls want to sleep with me but somethings up with my head ig and i leave their apartment as fast as possible

The youngest documented mother was five years, seven months, and 21 days old. So, theoretically, the youngest grandmother could be 12 years old.

/pol/ was wasting my time with constant uninteresting Epstein shit . So I'm back here now

>>24532071
My grandmother died when I was 23.

>>24532138
oh great just what we need

>>24532139
rip

>>24532126
kill me painlessly, or give me the universe altering powers i require to make this life bearable, and that will include conjuration (of a catgirl gf)

>>24532136
Yup, skill/confidence issues is a core component of being a wizard. You're in your own head.

>>24532147
asking quite a lot from me there

>>24532148
i wish it was just confidence issues
confidence issues would be NICE

The oldest mother was 73.

>>24532151
deliver or shut the fuck up. if you let me wait and i end, so do my works and my perception of you

Who gave birth

>>24531901
Why are you asking me for arguments when the post I'm responding to doesn't offer any? I've already provided enough, so let me repeat it clearly: Claiming that it's unfair to compare the right to bear arms at its best with freedom of speech at its worst is not a counter to what I've said, especially when you can't even provide examples of freedom of speech at its best. I believe cultures should derive utility from the principles they hold dear, that is my internal logic you have not addressed despite your claims to the contrary, even when the other post admits to understand as much. No, claiming that freedom of speech is an axiomatic principle that must simply be adhered to doesn't refute my claims, it only demonstrates that your pov rests on arbitrary and unjustified assumptions.
My original argument is not undermined, so far as this conversation goes it is completely unchallenged, further proof: >>24531903
>>24531914
>You are a literal golem
This is rich coming from the same clique that claims that everything that comes out of here and paints you in a bad light is actually the work of some conspiring European ethnicity maliciously controlling everything and everyone from the shadows. If the common narrative oozing from 4chan to the rest of the internet is anywhere close to the truth, the title of "golem" better describes you and your hivemind of die hard free speech defenders, upholders of lofty ideals such as pedophile representations in media, parasocial relationships with a dime a dozen jewish profiteers/fictional women/literal objects, nasty pornography and of course the nigger word that after enough repetitions will save the white race, just to name the greatest hits.

>>24532157
wall btfo

>>24532161
>posts Trump kneeling to Jews
>complains about people saying Jews control everything
Extremely schizophrenic post. Seek help. If you hate this place so much I suggest leaving, it's clearly a detriment to your mental health.

How to support Palestine while not risking chance at bedding Jew fine shyt?

I still can't get over how hot ghislaine maxwell was

>>24532183
She's definitely in the top 5 of hottest people to exist for me.

>>24532161
if we ignore every other factor (clearly you won't have a problem doing this), what will reduce mass shootings more: banning 4chan (50% according to your made up statistic) or banning all guns? if utility is your principle, you’ve already answered.

let’s be clear: i haven’t defended 4chan. i’ve defended a principle. you’ve attacked one. that’s the difference - and it's telling you can’t see it. if your argument collapses the moment it’s applied consistently, the problem isn’t with how I interpreted it. your argument is unprincipled. and yes, it’s already been challenged. thoroughly.

as for free speech’s best-case scenario: you’re enjoying it right now.

>>24532183
Imagine

I hate this ambiguity.

>>24532175
If you believe there are conspiring jews behind everything that happens, you lot surely fail victim to their tricks way too often. Is this notion hard to understand for you?

>>24532198
Why couldn't I have been groomed by her and only her

>>24532196
I already addressed this:
>an ideologically motivated spree killer is able to use means other than guns to harm people
But even then, my argument has not collapsed, you are pretending to apply it consistently when in reality you either don't understand it or are willfully misrepresenting it
I have said:
>I believe cultures should derive utility from the principles they hold dear
This implies a process in which the pros and cons of a "principle" are analyzed and contrasted, and the fact remains that placed into balance, the life of a potential victim that is saved through the usage of legally owned guns is worth more than any potential enjoyment i could derive from using 4chan, obviously. And even though firearms could be misused in a variety of ways, the propaganda that is spread here motivates people to misuse them in the first place, the underlying issue is that they want to kill people in accordance to the ideological imprinting they experienced in here, that or they want to mutilate their genitals, or that they want to kill themselves because they will never fuck or be a woman, or they fall into porn addiction, that or they congregate to come up with strategies for grooming minors. The ways in which a website as influential as this harms society are much more perverse and insidious.
Who wants to live in a society where that is possible? Free speech was not conceived to be this, and at any rate, what i am suggesting is not a ban on free speech, but mere restrictions that make all these processes not impossible but much less likely.

>>24531817
>free speech is LE BAD because people LE DIE
do you think you'll live forever or something?
and how are you going to control speech without killing people anyway? you're a little bitch

I still like zombie media. I never minded the oversaturation people used to complain about.

Anyone else thinking "oh shit"?

>>24532283
>spree killer is able to use means other than guns
we can look at statistics (actual statistics, not like your made up 80% and 50%) of mass killings, and see whether the US is firmly in the lead by a wide margin ... but i don't think we have to.
i’ve took your exact reasoning and applied it to guns - if that's misrepresenting you, great: explain how.

the founding fathers were not naive. they knew perfectly well that speech could be ugly. free speech was established to protect that kind of expression, because the alternative was letting authorities silence dissent under the guise of public decency or social harmony. so yes - this is exactly what it was conceived to be. some say the 2nd amend. wasn’t written with AR-15s in mind. maybe not. but we don’t dismantle foundational rights just because modern realities make people uneasy.

>but mere restrictions
that’s not 'restrictions within free speech' - it's a rejection of free speech in practice.
& history is clear on what 'mere restrictions' become once the precedent is set.

>>24532330
Yeah.

A number of modern pygmies from literary criticism dare to claim that The Master and Margarita is a weak and even vulgar book. This book is a work of genius. But even if it were graphomania, it would still be a great human document. Because the author wrote his text on the threshold of death, and the main theme of The Master and Margarita is precisely the boundary between life and death.

Why do people manage to kill themselves by hanging? After all, a person who is hanging has free hands, and the unbearable pain should force them to grab the noose and loosen it. But this never happens. Even if someone wants to scare others and deliberately ties a tight knot, the rope immediately compresses the arteries and nerves, and the hands hang limp like whips. This is the first thing that happens to a hanged person. There is no salvation from the noose.

When a person knows they will soon die, they usually only have enough strength to write a will. All their affairs, passions, and obligations turn into nothing. Their eyes are clouded by the horror of death. Their will is paralyzed.

>>24532419
Bulgakov, in THIS state, stubbornly worked on his novel. The famous tragicomic scene where the barman Sokov visits a professor of medicine in an attempt to cure the cancer predicted by Woland was written two months before Bulgakov’s death and after he himself received a fatal diagnosis.

The Master and Margarita is a message to the reader. Just like The Death of Ivan Ilyich. At the beginning of Tolstoy’s novella, there is a scene depicting the onset of illness. When the doctor begins to talk to Ivan Ilyich about his health, about the functioning of his kidneys, stomach, liver, intestines, and speaks for a long, long time, Ivan Ilyich gradually realizes that the conversation is not about his liver or intestines but about life and death. HIS life and death. And here, the author gives the reader the opportunity to take the next step themselves. To understand that this is not a story about the death of a mid-level Russian official living in the second third of the 19th century, but a story about the death of a human being as such. That is, about the reader themselves.

one by one, I shed the layers, hoping to get closer to the truth, the core
I was assuming that if I peel off everything, there would be nothing left but light
but I ended up skinned alive

I miss when the internet was just Americans, and we made fun of the Brits' funny accents.

I am never hiring an escort, my passionate ass would drop i love you mid fucking session

>>24532473
imagine she says it back

>>24532481
Imagine the escort said, "I'm actually straight but just do this for the cash," he says, casually, like it's nothing. I blink. "Wait, you're not gay?" He shrugs. "Nah, I like chicks." My stomach twists. "B-but, I really do love you." He pauses, eyes flicking to the side like he's deciding whether to laugh or look away. Instead, he just sighs. “…Doesn’t mean I didn’t like being around you,” he says, quieter now. I look at him. “So what, you’re just going to leave and forget all of this happened?” He shrugs. “It’s easier that way. Keeps things clean.” “Clean?” I shake my head. “This wasn’t clean for me. You were the first person I let in. You made me feel like maybe I wasn’t just some guy sitting alone every night.” He looks away, jaw tight. “You weren’t.” “Then what was I?” He doesn’t answer for a while. Then, without looking at me, he says, “You were someone I didn’t expect to care about.” I go still. “But you did.” He nods, just once. “Then why not stay?” I ask. He sighs. “Because I know how this ends. I’ve seen it before. I get close, things blur, someone always gets hurt. Usually both of us.” “I’d rather hurt from something real than feel nothing at all.” He finally turns back to me. “You really mean that?” I nod. “Every word.” He stares for a moment. Then he sits down beside me, slowly, like he’s not sure if it’s a mistake. “I can’t promise anything,” he says. “I’m not asking for promises. Just don’t lie.” He nods again, softer this time. “Alright.” We sit there in silence. Not clean. Not clear. But real.

>>24532502
>“So what, you’re just going to leave and forget all of this happened?”
Imagine expecting anything else from a prostitute.

They say Rome was built in a day.

>>24532298
What? Are you telling me queers of the likes of you are willing to die for the right of mutilating their penis or masturbating to cartoon porn? That notion is laughable. A janny can control your "speech" by giving you a ban, don't get cocky now, creature.
>>24532333
>explain how
I already did, here:
>I believe cultures should derive utility from the principles they hold dear
>This implies a process in which the pros and cons of a "principle" are analyzed and contrasted
I don't particularly care about what the founding fathers thought, even if they envisioned a future in which children could be convinced to cut themselves for the pleasure of creeps on something like the internet where these behaviors could be seen and imitated by millions of people and decided that it was a sacrifice they were willing to make for the sake of somehow protecting dissent, even thought it entails a completely different category of speech that is easily distinguishable from others, the fact remains your kind of free speech doesn't make the cut when analyzed from an utilitarian perspective.
We know nothing of value has come out of this website, nothing of value is coming out of this website, and i can predict without the shadow of a doubt that nothing of value will come out this website for as long as it exists, its influence notwithstanding. The world is rotting and the cause is obvious, saying you don't care would be a more honest approach than giving these cynical answers.
But of course, history is filled with examples of brutal political repression preceded by politicians passing laws outlawing nigger worship imageboards, so maybe you are right.

>>24532502
chatgpt?

>>24532563
Regeneron

>>24529352
Probably some camera issues not representing shadow properly, but given it's from the time the syphilis progressed to dementia level he might have tried drinking ink

>>24532540
First, collective wellbeing of society doesn't improve with some committee of retards deciding which words are not allowed to be said. Second giving the state such power makes it a matter of time until party line shifts and it's used to suppress things you consider right. "Please tell comrade Stalin that a monstrous mistake has occur-ACK".

me in yoga outfit for health reason as directed by a doctor, first time trying out yoga and need pointers to increase health

>>24532433
Good post
As a child I needed speech therapy before I learned to speak.
Sometimes I wonder that if I never learned to speak, I'd be untainted by social practices and foreign ideas.
Closed off from the external world.
Maybe a lack of stimulus would have made me severely mentally stunted
I just wish, in essence, that my life had not changed me. Which sounds bizarre
Maybe without a life lived there was nothing to be changed to begin with.

I'm never confused.

The X-stein files
The truth is out there

>>24532540
you sound consumed; obsessed with 4chan, trannies, incels, porn addicts, and a running list of villains. it’s hard to square your utilitarian pose with how much emotional accusations and scattered outrage you’re pouring in. it’s censorship justified by fear and moral panic, applied selectively and arbitrarily. we stand by principles, not panic; legislate with clarity, not paranoia.

if ‘nothing good comes out of it’ is your bar, then forums, books, music may be summarily banned. people say the same about entire religions. should those go too?

though the struggle with forces of dogma has been long and hard, the open society has so far prevailed; there is no reason, in principle, why it should not do so in the future if the lessons have been truly learned, and when learned, not forgotten.

>>24532642
shalom

I really do love you.

>>24532717

I wish I was 14 feet tall and weighed 6000 pounds.

why the FUCK is it raining so much is the middle of summer and it rains like three days a week what is this shit are we getting cucked by cloud seeding dickheads or what

>>24532502
Fuck off fujo

>>24532730
Why?

there's this dude at my work who uses bing to search the internet and the search results are always so shitty he takes like three clicks to find what we're looking for i want to be like holy shit fucking set your default search engine to google but i don't want to be rude.

>>24532821
Because love at first sight is real.

>>24532831
Can you accurately call it “first sight” if you’ve never actually seen the person irl?

>>24532833
It doesn’t matter. I’ve seen through the text into the soul.

>>24532854
And what exactly have you seen?

>>24532864
A sharp mind, restless. Guarded, but curious. Careful with words, but not afraid to be honest when it counts.

>>24532869
Generic and vague.

>>/vr/11839016

>>24532869
who are you talking about anon?

>>24532874
It's unfair to expect me to fully expose how I feel. How would you want to be seen?

>>24532891
I don’t want to be seen by someone who is too cowardly to expose their true feelings.

do normies really only play triple a slop? i talk to people at work and they only know the biggest blockbuster games i'm like u dudes identify as hardcore gamers but have a repertoire of five blockbuster games?

Not even flirting with cute girls is curing my boredom. Everything so boring. Bored. Bored to death. Even that's boring. Boring, wasting life. Wasted life because life is boring. Life cannot be wasted because is boring. Boring

>>24532896
why are you assuming he is talking about you

If you got 36 prostitutes and thirty cents in your pocket
What you got?

>>24532896
I want to be met halfway. A relationship involves two people, not one.

>>24532898
u should smoke weed the main thing about weed is it stops you from being bored you can just stare at the wall and it's like oh wow

>>24532907
>I want to be met halfway.
And what does that entail?

>>24528676 (OP)
This book gives off Shin Megami Tensei vibes.

>>24532902
Proof that hoes come a dime a dozen

>>24532916
Not being ghosted all the time.

>>24532929
I can relate. I hope you find someone who will be there for you consistently.

>>24532932
I wish she was here.

>>24532935
Is this a specific “she,” or some abstract ideal?

>>24532937
A specific she.

>>24532941
Why did she ghost you?

>>24532944
Maybe she lost interest in me.

>>24532952
It’s really hard to cope with not knowing. I find it difficult as well.

>>24532952
you probably yikes'd her out with some cringe internet shit

Johnny Knoxville was so cool before he got old.

>>24533009
bam margera was so cool before he got fat as fuck and still carried a skateboard around with him for no reason like a photo of a dead wife

My stepfather is the same age as me.

After what happened today I feel so sad.

>>24533014
very good simile

>>24533014
bam margera was like the most uncharismatic of all those philly skaters they should have made a tv show about lil' stevie or fred gall i would watch that

My friend got offended that I wanted to cut off the part of the pizza she had already bitten instead of just eating it.

>>24533020
What happened?

>>24528695
observer has always been my dream

>>24532540
The notion that you’d get off your ass to kill people who will fight for free speech is equally laughable
>A janny can control your "speech" by giving you a ban, don't get cocky now, creature.
Not really

Post physique or stop talking tough nigger

>>24533056
Play SS13 and kill yourself.

>>24533040
I saw this person who I have a complicated emotional history with.

>>24533032
>she
Why not eat your lady friend's spit anon? lol

>>24533081
That sucks. Did you see this person in real life or online?

>>24533085
I just don't like spreading germs, not even if it's family.

>>24533086
IRL

>>24533097
Have you considered egging their house? I'd do that.

>>24533102
No? I’m not a fucking 12-year-old. What a stupid thing to say.

>>24533125
That's just an example. You could slash their tires, cut their break line, or send mysterious powder in the mail. The point is to get back at them for whatever they did.

>>24533134
Why would you immediately assume that I want revenge? I don’t. That’s so immature, counterproductive, and toxic.

>>24533138
You still love her?

>>24533143
I’m not talking about a woman. And I’m ambivalent, I suppose.

>>24533151
So why did it make you feel sad?

>>24533164
Because, as I’ve said, there is a complicated emotional history between us? Does that not make sense to you? Ambivalent does not mean indifferent; it means that you have mixed or contradictory feelings about something.

I will either ruin my social circle or lose my virginity within the next 6 months. I will not elaborate.

>>24533175
Oh. Personally, I never experienced mixed feelings about someone. I hope you figure out your sadness soon because I don't want you to be sad. Maybe listen to some music.

>>24533186
>I never experienced mixed feelings about someone.
Bizarre. And my emotional state has no bearing on you; please stop being weird.

>>24533187
I don't think it's bizarre. I either love someone, hate them, or am indifferent to them.
>And my emotional state has no bearing on you; please stop being weird.
How is not wanting someone to bad sad weird? I don't want anyone to be sad besides my enemies. That's normal.

gays, i'm feeling good today

>>24533196
>I either love someone, hate them, or am indifferent to them.
That sort of rigid, black-and-white thinking is a symptom of multiple neurodevelopmental and personality disorders.

>>24533209
Diagnosing someone over an imageboard because they don’t feel emotions the same way you do is kind of weird. I was just trying to understand you.

>>24533212
I don’t feel the need to be understood by you.

>>24533224
Honestly, I’m curious about you… you seem pretty intriguing.

Fellas, is it gay to play with your own butt?

>>24533253
Stop.

>>24533263
No really, I do think you’re an intriguing person. That's what makes me want to know more about you.

>>24533278
I do not care what you think about me. You know absolutely nothing about my life, and absolutely nothing about what kind of person I am. Let go of this weird parasocial fantasy. Stop.

>>24533290
Alright, I’ll back off.

>>24533290
But really though, I think we might have a lot in common.

>>24533061
what a sad little rape victim you are

>>24533312
You know literally nothing about me and have no legitimate basis for thinking this. You’re clearly projecting some sort of fantasy onto me, and it has nothing to do with who I am as a person. I find you incredibly annoying.

go find a room

Almost finished the Gospel of Matthew. 1/5 to go.

>>24532433
There’s nothing wrong with the essence of who you are.

>>24533327
I heard that's a good book.

>>24533067
thx anon. ill update with results

I should have known better than to tell you about it. I can never talk to anyone about it ever again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_Vlq3DWPjs

Thinking about killing myself lately
What do I get up for in the morning? Why am I trying so hard?
They say you can't love someone else if you don't love yourself and I guess that means there's no love for me anywhere. She certainly thought so.

I hurt myself today

>>24532601
maybe the blissful ignorance was for our protection, yeah

>>24533461
>you have to love yourself first
I think that’s a lie.
People love in all kinds of broken states. You’re not alone in these feelings.
Please don’t kill yourself. Just being here, even saying what you said, means something. I hear you.

>>24533464
Do you want to talk about it?

>>24532319
I had a dream I had a zombie copy of me, like my body was a zombie and walking around but it was a copy body, and didn't have anything in its brain besides physical movement, and nobody noticed except I (the zombie body) talked less and they didn't mind. The bokor making zombies had worked out how to make copy bodies which didn't rot, but to make them of real people, the real person started to rot and die even if they still had their spirit in them. He picked the wrong person though because once I became made of maggots I was like, this is cooler than having the copy body, and copy body can take my place in society I don't like because nobody will notice

I think it might have been a fever dream because the recurrent infection that's probs going to kill me is back lol

>>24532595
Yoga is great for form, posture and flexibility. Hope you get into practising it

>>24528676 (OP)
I want to read an english translation of a book I have read in its original language but I fear it will confirm my presuppositions about the English language. I'm ambivalent.

>>24533834
On the other side of the coin, it may also confirm my maladroit grasp on and poor knowledge of the English language.

gross

Woke up feeling extremely rapey today. Must be the impending full moon.

gross

>>24533464
Do you still feel?

>>24534220
what have I become

Need a capital-F Fat anime girl in my life

New: >>24534404

>>24533834
Do it, I'll eventually do the same with French books (like Celine)