Thread 24529507

If God is good and all-powerful, why is there evil and suffering in the world? Any Books that explore that in detail?

>>24529507 (OP)
Evil, particularly moral evil (actions committed by humans), is a necessary consequence of giving humans genuine free will.

The problem only exists because of dualism, so look into non-duality.

>>24529511
The Western religious notion of free will is pure narcissistic delusion - a grandiose fantasy that places human choice on a preposterous metaphysical pedestal above the natural laws and deterministic forces governing the entire cosmos. This contra-causal fairytale imagines our minds as immaterial, formless, magical sources of utterly uncaused, ex nihilo causal powers, exempt from the physiological constraints and causal chains that rationally explain all other phenomena. It arrogantly recasts human decision-making as some miraculous, self-created form of willful creationism rather than recognizing it as shaped by the same rational patterns and processes describing the rest of the known universe. In essence, it inscribes blatant anthropocentric narcissism as pseudo-profundity, shamelessly elevating human ego over empirical explanations of how embodied minds actually operate via scientific naturalism.

>>24529519
Your statement assumes that all Western religious notions of free will equate to the most extreme form of libertarianism , specifically, an uncaused, ex nihilo, "magical" will. This is a simplification. Many religious traditions embrace forms of free will that are more nuanced

>>24529532
What is the central source of freely-willed choices and how does it operate independently from the laws of physics, neurobiological factors, and environmental/social influences?

>>24529507 (OP)
You are 12

>>24529553
If our choices are truly free in the libertarian sense, they cannot be fully caused or necessitated by anything outside of the agent's own will.

>>24529519
Being a narcissist is actually a good thing. After all, its you at the end of the day (you) have to deal with.

>>24529507 (OP)
>problem of evil
Booooooooooooooooooooooooring. This has been debated for centuries now.

>>24529564
Christcucks coping over the fact that a 12 year old's objection btfo's their entire worldview. 2000 years and you faggots still don't have a convincing refutation. All you can do is screech about muh free will lul

>>24529507 (OP)
Sorry. It's because God likes me better than you, and I'm evil

>>24529565
Name an action that is uncaused, something you can do now, not a hypothetical.

>>24529507 (OP)
just read about the original theodicy by leibniz: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_of_all_possible_worlds
https://homepages.uc.edu/~martinj/Philosophy%20and%20Religion/Problem_of_Evil,_Free_Will_and_Determinism/Leibniz%20-%20Theodicy.pdf

>>24529587
>Name an action that is uncaused, something you can do now, not a hypothetical.

The act of spontaneously raising your hand or even farting on purpose

>>24529507 (OP)
Nope. As far as I know, you're the first person to ever ask this question. I don't think I've seen a single book ever written about this problem. Congrats man!

>>24529507 (OP)
souls gotta learn

>>24529640
Saying “the will causes the action” just dodges the question, what causes the will to want what it does? You claimed farting on purpose or raising your hand proves freedom, but both are caused: by your intent, which was caused by your desire to prove a point, which was triggered by my challenge. If nothing caused your will to choose that moment or action, then it was random, not free. If something did cause it, then it wasn’t free either.

Uncaused = random and meaningless

Caused = not free

Will causes itself = nonsense without explanation

>>24529507 (OP)
>god is… le bad! Let’s replace it with progressive liberalism!

>>24529704
>reality is le bad and scary let's replace it with comforting fairy tales and nostalgia

If consciousness arises from quantum phenomena, and quantum phenomena exist in multiverses, then how come free will can't be a result quantum phenomena being acted upon by what ultimately seem like random factors from various universes? Essentially, why can't free will exist above a single universes laws?

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