give me one reason why I shouldn't spend next 10 years of my life playing counterstrike instead of studying hegel, nietzsche, dostoevsky or whoever

you should at least play several varied games instead of putting 5k into the same repetitive loop

>>24530594 (OP)
I can't
AI will take over the world in a year or two and philosophy will mean nothing (it already means nothing)

>>24530594 (OP)
I don't care about your life. Do whatever you want, petersteinfag.

counterstrike sucks balls, for one

>>24530594 (OP)
you should only study Plato, all of these losers are a waste of time, playing counterstrike is more useful than nietzsche and dostoevsky combined

You aren’t clever enough to add to the canon and understanding these works won’t make much of a difference in your day to day. So, why care about works that just reinforce your mediocrity?

>>24530640
convince me. what makes plato different, what do I stand to gain?

>>24530675
well I tried to keep it brief and simple so people can easily understand what I am saying but you are the second person showing misunderstanding of it so I will spell it out: the challenge was for you to provide me a reason, not to make a remark that there may be none, as you can infer from the way I asked the question I am already assuming that.

>>24530736
you should try for yourself, Plato is the real deal
nietzsche is crazy, pessimistic and pathetic man

>>24530594 (OP)
Hegel is a faggot.
>one reason
I don't give a fuck what you do

Damn I did not know /lit/ was so full of people posting useless responses

If you can't see how playing video games can only make you stupider in the short and long term then it's already too late for you. Stick to cs

>>24530966
Ask a stupid question, get stupid answers

>>24530967
You really believing the converse is true proves whatever you're doing doesn't make you smart.

>>24530594 (OP)
okay here's a reason: because you can
counterpoint: but you won't
so, yeah, I got nothing. do as you please, which is what you were going to do anyways, which is all anyone does come to think of it.
I'm going to go jack off now.

>>24530986
Thanks for proving my point

>>24530736
Plato getting dunked on

You can read all of Dostoyevkys works in 3-4 months and still have plently of time for counterstrike

>>24530594 (OP)
No, no, no. YOU should keep playing video games, anon. Don't bother yourself with reading, really!

>>24530594 (OP)
Reading good literature expands your internal semantic network and makes you better able to contemplate things. Playing CS makes you better at CS, provided you focus and play intentionally. One of those things will be beneficial to you forever; the other will be, at best, somewhat transferable to other FPSs.

>>24530610
You need to be eliminated, Chang

it's interesting how little people can defend what they have dedicated their life to doing. I see all these people bragging about being well versed in hegel's philosophy and whatnot on social media and it's absurd to me that they brag about nothing. I mean who else chokes and fumbles when they are questioned with the legitimacy of their hobby? if someone fishes they get fish, if they play the guitar they can play you a song. if you spend a decade studying hegel and dostoevsky, then... well you are retarded for questioning what they have to show for it.

when you have a thousand hours in counterstrike it speaks for itself, it was fun so it's done. when it comes to book an objectively boring and exhausting activity especially the type that is held in high esteem on this board, there has to be a reason that justifies doing it. but people just succumb to silence or spurt nonsense when faced with this problem. weird?

>>24531970
Feeling the need to justify yourself is gay as fuck thoughh

>>24530632
this is the only actual answer itt

>>24531970
Not taking a nigga who is posting Peterson unironically seriously, sorry

>>24530594 (OP)
Go do it.

>>24532543
I think not being able to stand behind any of your actions is really silly, childish and gay.

>>24532554
not an argument.

>>24532627
Never said it was an argument retard

>>24532632
I never said you said it was an argument. I am just pointing out that it is not an argument but something else, like a retard uncontrollably seething.

>>24530594 (OP)
Why would you want to play the same video game for 10 years?

>>24530594 (OP)
Play Mordhau instead.

>>24530736
He conveys a foundation of western canon pretty well. Didn't fuck kids.

>>24531970
> if someone fishes they get fish, if they play the guitar they can play you a song. if you spend a decade studying hegel and dostoevsky, then... well you are retarded for questioning what they have to show for it.

A deeper understanding of history and of how the world works. How men of the past came to see our existence as being founded on.

> when you have a thousand hours in counterstrike it speaks for itself, it was fun so it's done. when it comes to book an objectively boring and exhausting activity especially the type that is held in high esteem on this board, there has to be a reason that justifies doing it. but people just succumb to silence or spurt nonsense when faced with this problem. weird?

This is also where you are wrong. Books are fun to us in the way vidya games are to you but since you are autistic you don’t realize that other people can have interests different from yourself that seem uninteresting but give them great satisfaction.

>>24532678
>A deeper understanding of history and of how the world works. How men of the past came to see our existence as being founded on.
do you really believe you have a deeper understanding of how the world works compared to the guy who never read a single book in his life but has a successful business of his own?

>Books are fun to us in the way vidya games are to you but since you are autistic you don’t realize that other people can have interests different from yourself that seem uninteresting but give them great satisfaction
I don't think you wrote this believing it to be true, it's just anger speaking so I will not address it.

>>24530594 (OP) Doing the former is more worthwhile.

>>24532712
What kind of demoralization shilling is this? Books transmit knowledge. People obsessed about something will write about it and then you read it and instead of hacking through reality solo you can meander a path someone else cleared and mapped. If you don’t make good reading selections and apply the things you learn to your own life that’s your own goddamn fault.

>>24532712
To put it into counterstrike logic, you're only ever playing life on casual mode. The book reader is equivalent to the guy who watches videos or reads forum posts so that they can learn basic knowledge like smoke lineups and new ways to think about the game. Just like in counterstrike, some of these people will never make the effort to fully integrate that knowledge into their life and it will just allow them to enjoy spectating the game more. Others will actually make an effort to integrate what they've learned into their lives and use it to live better lives, like the competitive sweats who reach a moderately high elo/rank. A select few will end up reading the perfect material, integrate it very well into their lives and hit the perfect RNG to become uber successful, like the select few pros of cs.

Most people really don't care if you ever stop playing life on casual mode, just like most people don't care if you decide to only play counterstrike on casual mode.

>>24532791
the problem is that cs is way more fun to just equip a shotty and bum rush the other team rather than engaging in a high stakes peak-off for 20 minutes like a sweat hog would, and life is much the same

>>24532791
>implying that being some academic dorkulous isn't casual mode

>>24532803
The mere academic dorkulous would be akin to the many spectators and commentators who have a deeper appreciation and understanding of the game than most, but would still struggle if ever placed in an actual game.

>>24531603
>You need to be eliminated, Chang
Come find me, Charley Chungus

>>24532729
>shilling
you got it all wrong, I am not trying to sell you a book.

>People obsessed about something will write about it and then you read it and instead of hacking through reality solo you can meander a path someone else cleared and mapped.
can you say you've done that and it worked well for you? the theory is nice, but people's real life experience seems to contradict with it.

>If you don’t make good reading selections and apply the things you learn to your own life that’s your own goddamn fault.
good point, one which I counter with that if you become very selective you realize there's like only 10 books that are worth reading in terms of involving applicable and useful knowledge so you don't need to spend 10 years of your life to reading. your advice refutes your stance.

>>24532791
>dude the knowledge in books are like cheat codes in a video game man
yeah, except they're not. you pick up a book thinking it will get you ahead, then you have nothing 10 years later while the person who tried his hand at life has plenty.

>>24532863
My apologies. If it takes you 10 years of pure dedication to get through a book, then certainly reading is not the path for you. Most people can read at least several books a year very comfortably without it interfering at all with trying their hand at life.
I question if you even play counterstrike though, since learning smoke lineups and basic map knowledge is far from being a "cheat code."

>>24532887
I didn't read your post except so I just assumed that's the gist of it. and it is, clearly.

>>24532863
I like natural history and evolutionary biology. Every time I read a book on those subjects my world gets larger. I can look at the same trees as you but I see way more than you can. Cope, brainlet.

>>24533049
>I've memorized some things that aren't even real and will be refuted in a few years, 98% of which I'll forget
astonishing feat.

>>24530594 (OP)
You have a plethora of new and modern games to play and you choose to waste your time with fucking counterstrike? Get better taste in videogames first.

>>24530632
blasphemy
>>24530594 (OP)
no one would recommend you read anything by those kooks in good faith. if they do, they have a sickness of the mind. especially don't read hegel. dostoevsky's only good work was notes from the underground. you'll never figure out which works of nietzsche's are actually worth reading because his worst writings are the most recommended.

>>24532627
>to stand behind
What does that mean in practice? I am entitled to my activities and I don't own an explenation. Speaking practically, the impulse to justify oneself in life usually comes from a place of insecurity, hence gay.

>>24533336
owe*

>>24533336
I'm having trouble finding any sense in you getting in my face to say "I don't have to tell you SHIT!"

I am not holding a gun to your head to post in this thread. it's doubly absurd for you to be obstinate when this is an invitation for people to explain their reasons. you are free not to explain it man.

>>24530594 (OP)
No, you seem boring and repetitive, so locking yourself into some boring repetitive cycle seems like the right move because you wouldn't be able to retain that other stuff anyway, so you are better off just memorizing a few qualities about fake guns and play pewpew with your special little friends all day.

>>24530610
>I can't wait for thinking machines to eliminate my capacity for thought.

>>24530594 (OP)
Why can't you just listen to audiobooks or just get text to voice software to read them to you while playing with your little toys?

>>24531587
>somewhat transferable to other FPSs.
Except the whole reason the army started investing FPSs like counterstrike is to make unproductive unskilled retards into potential good soldiers, the skills would also transfer to using real war machines and drones.

>I can only be entertained by pewpew, thoughts and words are exhausting to me, so they must make everyone else's brain hurt too, surely nobody would find discomfort in some excessively violent nauseating fake cartoonish rendering of reality since that is the only thing that brings me joy.

>>24531042
Kek

>>24532712
Yea without reading books, every retard thinks his business is successful even the guy making 20 grand a year mowing lawns has a bit to show for it and will assume he is doing well without reading about economics and getting greater context.

>>24533080
Yes just two more years until the genetic diversity of trees is completely refuted and everyone realized there was just one tree all along.

>>24533080
I know which plants and fungi produce which chemicals, so I can forage food, medicine, and even recreational drugs without dying. You on the other hand will just see a sea of green and be helpless. Ain't trivial knowledge, brainlet. I can look at an insect and time travel in my imagination to when it first evolved and see a different Earth filled with mythical beasts, which is very enjoyable. I'm content just observing nature in ways you and other mind-slaves like you aren't. I'm not going to reach for my phone to be fed garbage by some malevolent nerd's algorithm to fill my time. Cope, brainlet.

>>24530594 (OP)
Report in team

>>24530594 (OP)
Do what you want nigger

>>24530594 (OP) It doesn't matter if you'll play video games or read trash. Read something of value instead.

>>24533359
Lol are you retarded? Your shitty post is a j'accuse and you're mad about someone responding?
> getting in your face
Lmao

>>24530986
You're unironically proving him right by coming up with a different topic (the converse wasn't mentioned, at all) instead of defending from the claim. If you're that stupid or have no arguments, I guess he is right that videogames make you stupid

>>24532729
The glowies have targeted this board for destruction

Philosophy etc is good to study if you wanna become a grifter, YouTuber, work at an institution, politician, etc. That’s why I do it. If you become le wise you can have a positive impact

>>24533736
you're going eat something you're not supposed to and die, and I hope that happens but I doubt you're retarded enough to trust yourself and do it lmao.

>>24534525
you are le nigger.

>>24530594 (OP)
if what he says doesn't resonate with you then there is no reason not to do it. the thing is that most people are extremely traumatized and repressed and so out of touch with their own emotions that they think things are fine but they are actually not. destructive behavior ensues and if they're lucky they experience a mental breakdown and right their course. if they're unlucky they'll live the rest of their life in a hell of their own making. just like a lobster man... just like a lobster...

>>24530594 (OP)
he who increaseth wisdom increaseth sorrow

but knowledge is better than ignorance, just as light is better than darkness

>>24530736
Plato basically founded philosophy, the systematic study of truth. If you think truth is worthless you're little better than an animal. Living a mindless, irrational life unworthy to be called human, devoid of nobility. There is honor in triumph, even in your stunted kiddie games, but the highest part of the soul and very highest life is the one that enters into the current of the universals and contemplates the infinite. It's the most glorious existence and the realization of human nature, or at least the closest we can come to it on earth, unaided by God.

>>24531970
What's funny is that Hegel attacks a certain sort of overly speculative pie in the sky variant of philosophy in his Philosophy of Right.

But suffice it to say that Hegel's ideas gradually ended up subjugating about a third of the world's nations and almost led to the nuclear annihilation of the human race.

That is far more impactful and profound than some faggot boomer running a fruit stand.

>>24531970
Language is the basis for human thought, therefore, when the linguistic organ improves, so does our capacity for contemplation. Reading exercises this organ in a manner that no other medium of consumption can compare with. Words are impactful when isolated, and whereas a viewer is subordinate to the painter, the reverse becomes true for a reader and the author of a text. A great act of creation occurs when one imagines murder, love, and abstract ideas, and so the process itself is useful, if not immediately tangible.

More interesting is the opportunity to inhabit the mind of another being; words are thoughts, irrespective of their physical medium, so when I read you, I become you for a moment. For philosophy, the real value is in constructing models of thought, much akin to what a student does when modeling reality through scientific principles. One tends to forget the details, unless revisited, but the act itself orders the mind.

>>24534795
>I'm scared of the world, so I never go outside my comfort zone, and I'm going to drag everyone else down to my level like a crab in a bucket.
Great life you've made for yourself, loser.

>>24530632
/thread

>>24532678
>A deeper understanding of history and of how the world works.
>Our collective understanding of the world, call it the scientific body of knowledge, has expanded throughout time through trail and error, which has allowed us to be more conscious of reality
>this is somehow occult knowledge

>>24534850
>muh truth
>look inside
>trust me bro
Pathetic.

>>24534988
Dumb pseud frogposter. This is confused drivel that, when expressed more clearly, is obviously false.

Language organizes thought, so a greater familiarity with language leads to more effective thinking (so your argument runs). That's true enough.

But philosophy is not about the aimless development of the abstract capacity for thought, it's about coming to the truth. If you just spin your wheels endlessly, what's the point? It prostitutes philosophy to make her into a mere tool to make you better at thinking—as if there were anything better for a person to do than to know and love the truth.

Equally vapid is your hacky argument that when we read, we briefly become another person. It just isn't true, anymore than we become someone else when they speak to us.

Every so often someone gayly tries to defend highbrow literature because it enhances our capacity for empathy, as if finer and finer experiences of aesthetic beauty isn't a thing, or of no value in itself.

>>24535003
You don't have to trust me, and I didn't tell you to look within yourself. I appealed to the faculty in every person that recognizes the truth—that is, to the truth, not to some narcissistic abyss within yourself—which faculty in you is clearly degraded. So fine, be a menial laborer or chase money or sex. See how far it gets you and how satisfying it is.

>>24535018
>If you don't agree with me, you're x (read: bad), which makes you incapable of seeing that I'm actually right
Holy mother of narcissism

>>24530594 (OP)
>give me one reason why I shouldn't spend next 10 years of my life playing counterstrike instead of studying hegel, nietzsche, dostoevsky or whoever
No.

>>24535027
I mean, that's literally the situation. You're indifferent to the truth, but you're trying to use reason against itself, because you don't understand it. You're more interested in sullenly retreating to your childish games than in pursuing something noble. Video games are alright as recreation, but time is literally all we have. Wasting it playing stupid, repetitive games is just slow suicide.

>>24534988
not a single sentence is correct in this post.

>>24535080
you mean I can't.

>>24535018
I counter your claim that any "truth" can be reached through philosophy. Kant, for example, suggests that some truths are beyond our comprehension, and so what we actually do is explore our limited, self-created region of reality. I agree with this from a biological perspective, but you may not, and there's no real truth to be found except a consensus.

Regardless, even if the intended purpose is to identify a "truth", the majority of philosophy readers do not contribute to the canon. Their purpose for reading is as I have suggested: development of the mind through construction of models posited by their presumed intellectual superiors.

To be spoken to is also not equivalent to reading an organized text. We do not elucidate our logic completely when speaking, and the listener only participates to compose an immediate response. When I read essays or philosophy, however, I am forced to follow the author's words precisely, and in doing so, retrace the patterns of thought that once fired within their brain. It is the closest I can get to becoming someone else; in a fantasy scenario, being inside someone's head would simply mean the replacement of my own thoughts with theirs, which is approximated by reading.

>Every so often someone gayly tries to defend highbrow literature because it enhances our capacity for empathy, as if finer and finer experiences of aesthetic beauty isn't a thing, or of no value in itself.

I have no idea what the context or purpose of this sentence is. You sound mentally troubled

>>24535141
I mean, to turn down the polemic a bit: you're asserting a form of qualified skepticism as the truth, which implies that human beings can partially know the truth, which seems contradictory.

>>24530594 (OP)
same end result desu

>counterstrike

>>24535194
What do you define as "truth" in the first place? We could go forever in these circles, and reach no conclusion, but my point was that most people aren't concerned with the answer so much as they are with the arguments themselves. Evidently my unclear writing suggests I ought to read and study more as well; the value then almost becomes self-evident.