Can they just please shut the fuck up about white males already?
You guys won. Go off on your own and exist in your own multiracial ethnostate. Just shut the fuck up about white males. Goddamn.

They're afraid straight white males are going to do something to hurt them. Duh. How do you not see that? This is all motivated by fear.

>>24530635 (OP)
They print an article like this once a year. Usually it's women begging men to read books written by women.

>>24530658
They think straight white males reading books written by straight white males (and written for straight white males) is hurting them

They need a boogeyman to feel oppressed

>>24530635 (OP)
The rhetoric regarding White males’ disenfranchisement has only just begun, and it will continue until we do win.

>>24530635 (OP)
>multiracial ethnostate

>>24530743
He's from Quebec, give him a break

>>24530635 (OP)
Yeah lol. im a brown man and the obsession they have with that specific demographic of men is so funny especially after all the non whites went for drumpf last election =.=

https://web.archive.org/web/20250703090954/https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/03/arts/straight-white-male-novelists.html

The headline, like any headline, is clickbait. It's not the worst article on the subject I've read, but it doesn't really offer any deep insight you won't find from others. Basically, some dude wrote a piece for an online magazine talking about how white straight men aren't writing as many of the big pop literature hits as used to be the case. He offers a few reasons why, and NYT article author basically just regurgitates them while adding the commentary that some people got mad on both sides of the fence.

The short of it seems to be that:
1. Writing doesn't pay well compared to other accessible careers for those who can write, and most white heterosexual men pursue higher-earning careers compared to female, non-white, or LGBT people.
2. White straight men as characters are ill-received in a "damned if you, damned if you don't" way. They either talk about their struggles and get written of as men's rights apologists or talk about being the problem and are written off as multiracial-globalist soi boys.
3. White straight men read novels less because video games are so popular.

The second point has some merit, but isn't really expanded on in much depth, which is unsurprising because it's a NYT article.

The first point isn't really true at all. The vast majority of writers do not write as a career, and a good chunk of the most successful and popular modern writers ARE straight white men. Non-erotic adult fantasy is still dominated by them to an extreme degree, as an example. There are more books published these days than ever in the past, as anyone with an internet connection can list a book for global consumption with a few clicks. So naturally, the set of "all authors" out there is more diverse.

The third point is probably correct to some extent, but it's really just mentioned in passing and as a supposition without any real data, making it a pretty weak article on this particular subject.

>>24530635 (OP)
It’s the same problem as a forum for women, all they talk about is men. These diversity shilling retards can’t ever stop talking about whitey or how some work “challenges norms (of whiteness)” or how a woman writer is great (because she’s not a man so has a unique perspective blah blah)”.
It’s the same reason they give diversity awards to a 70% black NBA. An all woman board of directors is praised for diversity.

These people can only live in opposition to whiteness, western culture, men. In the near future most western countries are 50% mutt. You think the victimhood will ever end? Even at 25% they will be whining about “historical oppression”, just look at how women combine overrepresentation with whining (“women are making more money than men, this is a problem in the dating market because there are too few men, men are stupid useless deadbeats”).

>>24530769
>In the near future most western countries are 50% mutt. You think the victimhood will ever end?
even when the last white is gone, people with light/paler skin will get the heat.

>>24530779
Being med is the winning move here. You get to larp as anyone you want

>>24530635 (OP)
White people and in particular young white men are still discriminated against on every level of society, their civilization is collapsing, and their race is going extinct.

Leftists like you will lose. You are all weak. You will all be prosecuted and executed for your crimes. You will perish in an excruciating manor and the legacy of your cancerous people obliterated from history, the only thing being left being a record of your crimes.

>multiracial ethnostate

>>24530790
Based. Defeatist attitudes are for losers. We can win, and we will win.

>>24530743
I was making a joke
>>24530760
I'm from Seattle :,(
>>24530795
No. Just joke
>>24530790
I hate blax and jews and women but I have brown hair and brown eyes. Am I ok? My DNA is Siberian and Swedish.

>>24530840
>Am I ok
unironically post your nipple

>>24530938
I can't cuz literally milk is streaming out of it and I can't make it stop
I only have one baby and she's past breast feeding age, so idk why my boobs are still leaking milk
But it's horrible.
Basically I'm a nudist shut-in now.
I can't leave my home cuz if I put clothes on they get drenched in breast milk.
And I obviously can't go into public naked (even tho I want to and that would solve all my problems)
But yeah idk what to do
I'm a shut-in now, all cuz my boobs won't stop gushing milk
Any advice, anons??

>>24530947

>>24530947

>>24530795
*bark*
>hey owner, have you noticed that pitbulls commit 56% of all violent dog attacks despite making up only 13% of dog breeds in america?

>>24530947
if you want to know if you count as "white" here or not you can still post em
go to /b/ and find a thread that fits and then link it here so you avoid a 3 day
that is assuming this is actually the same anon that asked before

>>24530991
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>>24530687
the atlantic one must've gotten good view numbers if the times' is following it so quickly

>>24530703
This but unironically. A white man who reads Tolkien and Lovecraft is seen as more of a threat than a brown person reading Islamist material to the average European State.

>>24530806
No, we won't, lol.

>>24531204
>No, we won't, lol.
Post nose, demoralist.

>>24530703
Yes, straight white men need to learn their place in the brave new world.

why is it that they refuse to just make things men like, why do you think men listen to like joe rogan and manosphere garbage, because the mainstream has denied men exist, so they have to go around that.

the entertainment industry as a whole has been completely feminized

if they want men back on board they need to be subtle in their propaganda, not in your face with girl boss shit

>>24530635 (OP)
Since they deified the whole industry over the last 20 years or so I won't read anything if it's not written by white or east asian males. I dismiss everything else automatically as tumblr fan fiction quality.

Kamala lost bigly
And they still haven’t figured out why

>>24531216
There are thousands of books out there that men have liked in earlier eras. The low readership of men, which is obviously correlated with the low number of male novelists, comes from disinterest, not underrepresentation.

Also, sorry to say it, but if you can't identify to some extent with a book written by a woman or featuring a woman protagonist, then it's a personal problem. Anne Rice and JK Rowling have written series that are widely popular with women while featuring male protagonists and often focusing on male-male relationships.

I refuse to believe my gender is so retarded that we need to be coddled and coaxed into reading again. If that's the requirement then this entire gender is cursed and should be abandoned to illiteracy.

>>24531267
they know exactly why, and they refuse to change, they want men to change for them. They want men to define masculinity into being a push over, a cuck, someone who crys and is emotional, they want white men to blame themselves for the wrongs of the world and to let the negroes and boss girls trample all over them for past historical wrongs


the right wing isnt perfect but they let men be men without shame

>>24531287
ann rice writes gay vampire romance fiction read by women, jk rowling is so ashamed of being a woman she represses and attacks trans people on twitter and got a male sounding pen name

the left talks about representation but then wants to completely erase men and especially white men from the public square


>coddled and coaxed

its called advertising, marketing, its what you do when you sell a fucking product you dimwit

>>24531287
Women just read what they like. They aren’t reading books with male protagonists out of the goodness of their hearts. They read those books that they may schlick.
Men have free internet porn to fap to.

>>24530635 (OP)
>AAAAHHHH HELP HELP MEN AREN'T INTERESTED IN SHANIQUA JACKSON'S DOORSTOPPER ON CONTEMPORARY LATINX LGBTQAAPEDOPHILE++ RELATIONS
I'm just not gonna read it is all. I know I know...
I'm sorry...
it's just...
ugh...
I'm just not gonna read it
HAHAHAHAHA

>>24531297
The point is that women readers are able to enjoy and identify with male characters and their relationships with other men. Women writers are happy to write men and often do so with nuance and care. The fact that those series are popular with women is part of the point.

>the left talks about representation but then wants to completely erase men
If the goal was to erase men then book shops wouldn't be lined with classic works which are largely written by men and were historically beloved by men too. If this were the case then Harry Potter wouldn't be one of the most popular YA fantasy series to have ever existed. Murakami wouldn't be so widely read and beloved. There wouldn't be a male Nobel prize winner in literature every other year.
Your argument is just completely asinine. There's an enormous amount of literature written by men, including by living men, it's just that men don't care.

>its called advertising, marketing, its what you do when you sell a fucking product you dimwit
Yes that falls under 'coaxing'.

>>24530635 (OP)
Threadly reminder that when they complain about "men not reading", what they mean is that they're concerned that men are disengaged from contemporary/modern published fiction.

Older men are only reading works from the 20th century and earlier, and young men are increasingly turning to self published works on Royal Road and Amazon written by other young men before moving to the same works that the older men are reading as their taste develops.

This is incredibly disturbing for publishers and the "modern literary community", because white men are sidestepping everything involved with them and thereby devaluing the institutions that they took over.

>>24531320
women read romance slop, this is the only reason publishing isnt dead, they read garbage like twilight and 50 shades of greay, you think that men dont write women or cant relate to women so men are the problem, i think you are the problem, you want to blame men for the fuck ups of the industry, not the industry

same thing with music, they killed rock music and are all like "but you have old music you can still listen to", yeah, but there is no one who speaks to the zoomer or millennial male experience.

No one gives a shit about sally rooney, men arent interested in boring shit about being social or in a relationship, they want action, adventure, its why they read manga and comic books still but dont read the feminist slop the book world publishes

>>24531302
I don't think women care that much if a book has a male protagonist. I think they're far more open to narratives that center on men than men are to narratives that center on women.
There's basically a thread every other day here about how any story by women is automatically bad with a few posts trying to defend Austen.
>They read those books that they may schlick.
That might be part of it, for some women, but I think it's overstated. There's a difference between erotic and romantic literature.

>>24531320
>The point is that women readers are able to enjoy and identify with male characters and their relationships with other men. Women writers are happy to write men and often do so with nuance and care. The fact that those series are popular with women is part of the point.

Women are the NiceGuys (tm) of literature.
I don’t care how well behaved they are I still ain’t reading their scoldy, complaining, virtue signaling, werewolf billionaire grosswhore schlickpig fantasies

>>24531330
Women *read*, that's why publishing isn't dead. Their tastes might lean towards romance but romance isn't some exclusive genre. It can easily be fused with something like fantasy/sci-fi which women also clearly enjoy going by the novelists at the Hugo awards.
>cant relate to women so men are the problem
Yes. I think you should be able to relate to some female characters but I think society largely discourages men identifying with women under any circumstance/
>No one gives a shit about sally rooney
Except the people who read, obviously.
>men arent interested in boring shit about being social or in a relationship, they want action, adventure
You do men a disservice with this one-dimensional presentation of our gender. Men have historically enjoyed a wide range of works many of which aren't centered on action and adventure. Look, there's a thread up about Notes from Underground. There's no adventure in that book, it's largely about the social and alienation from it. How many men enjoy No Longer Human for similar reasons? Isn't Murakami's most famous book, Norwegian Wood, about a failed romance?
Focusing on action and adventure is a lost cause because that can always be done better by manga or especially video games and movies. The point isn't to appeal to the lowest common denominator anyway but to reinvigorate men with the literary spirit that our forebears possessed.

>>24531357
nigger trying to justify romance slop by "but it can be fused with other genres"

murakami sucks too, that nigger was a fad and is now irrelevant.

>muh literary spirit

oh yeah, that something women have when they finger themselves to space werewolf fan fiction

>>24531361
I'm not a Murakami fan you know, but I did read NW and I thought it was just okay. But that's beside the point I'm making which is that it was a popular book -- which you acknowledge in calling it a fad -- that was read by plenty of men and is brought up lovingly in many of the Murakami threads here by men, yet is not at all concerned with action and adventure. So there's clearly an aspect to the masculine spirit which is emotional and, yes, even romantic, so that it's better to invigorate this side of the spirit than to double down on adventure. Why? Well aside from the previous argument that a sense of adventure is better gained through other mediums, there's also the obvious fact that adventure is still present in literature in the form of fantasy which is absolutely massive and also very popular with women.
>oh yeah, that something women have when they finger themselves to space werewolf fan fiction
Yes, if you orgasm to literature then you have greater literary spirit than someone gooning to three monitors of porn. I've never understood this need to attack women for reading smut as though that's not infinitely more refined than the average man's form of sexual satisfaction.

>>24531374
>talk about "the great literay spirit
>men lack it
>women who read romance slop somehow have it


its just some made up bullshit by you, face it, somewhere a long the way they decided they were no longer going to market products to men, espically white men, and now they refuse to do what they have to do because libtards always double down.

So they will flop into irrelevancy, lose money, but they will consider themselves decent human beings who fought the power

>>24531265
Me too. Whenever I see these "best books of 20XX" lists or "contemporary books you NEED to know about" lists I always think, "oh let me guess. They're all books by women and POCs about how wonderful it is to be gay or brown?" and yes, that's exactly what they are.

And any contemporary nonfiction reads like a goddamn parody of itself.
>"Survivor" is a Hugo Award winning debut novel about Dashawn L'qwan-Foblawn's struggle as a gay, retarded, blind, deaf, mute, Muslim, quadriplegic growing up during the height of George W Bush's Islamaphobic America, in rural Tennessee where everyone is a white supremacist, including xir Muslim parents.

>>24530790
>manor

>>24530635 (OP)
The white penis is too powerful for them to handle. Freud is actually correct on some things, like that gender+race things like this always have some sexual basis to them.

>>24531374
>So there's clearly an aspect to the masculine spirit which is emotional and, yes, even romantic
Agreed, but contemporary novel do not scratch that spirit. I feel like video games/visual novels, anime, some movies, do a better job scratching that itch for men than literature. Men are stimulated by visuals more easily generically.

>>24530790
Rightoids never talk about this, even though it's one of the most well-studied and well-replicated phenomena in intelligence research

>>24530764
>Writing doesn't pay well compared to other accessible careers for those who can write, and most white heterosexual men pursue higher-earning careers compared to female, non-white, or LGBT people.
This is a big one. All the naturally talented writers I've encountered in the wild have been lawyers who use their gift to help big corporations mitigate risk exposure. They may or may not have a latent interest in writing fiction but they will never get around to it in any case.

>>24530790
So it only went down 10% in 20 years ? That's like 0.5% per year, basically nothing if you take into account the description of "white" being meaningless, there's probably been changes in the definitions along the way. >>24531744 is right rightoids are indeed idiots

>>24531744
Political beliefs are a result of culture. They should do this same test on Chinese citizens in China (and in Wsetern countries) if they actually believe their conclusion.

>>24531744
Many left-wing beliefs are now considered "right-wing", such as free speech.

>>24531744

>>24531325
Good points.

>>24531588
Men are the only ones who can red serious literature, philosophical literature (including Dostoyevsky and Tolstoy). You will never find a woman who says a nice thinga bout Dostoyevsky because that stuff is simply over their heads. There's a reason a whole chunk (or most of it) of publishign is dedicated to "chick lit." This is for people who have half the brain of a human male.

>>24532122
I'm a woman and I like Dostoievsky

>>24531744
very unbiased replicable study I'm sure

>>24531844
>wsetern countries
The jokes write themselves.
>>24531867
Astonishing cope
>>24531868
The original study makes clear that the circles are inclusive, not exclusive. Christ, rightoids really are retards

>>24532243
>very unbiased replicable study I'm sure

>>24532247
>The original study makes clear that the circles are inclusive
why lie though?

>>24532247
>doesn't respond to the argument
The jokes write themselves.

>>24531320
why are you shitlibs so averse to using the word female? Woman isn't an adjective.

>>24531744
When was the study?
I used to be left wing but the left keeps getting crazier and crazier. Now I’m a bloodthirsty fascist.

>>24532222
You are a rare gem

>>24532488
with that get, indeed

>>24532247

>>24531155
It's largely being pushed by Keir Starmer (a gay White man)
He actually published a document saying that people who read classic White novelists are terrorists.
It was laughed out of orbit but he keeps doing worse things than that and Englishmen keep coping
As a side note, what about all the Asian Christian girls who love Tolkien? All the Jewish men who worship Lovecraft?
How are they going to pick out all the Harold Blooms of the world?

>>24531744
>DNA-based predictors of intelligence
Problematic chud science desu

>>24532122
Just so you know, in his lifetime, Dosto probably had more female readers and admirers than males.
He was seen as a champion of feminism in his day.

>>24531320
Men will watch action movies with female protagonists as long as they aren’t some faultless Mary Sue ass-kicker. Aliens and Mad Max: Fury Road are both popular with men. Problem is female writers suck at writing believable female protagonists in the genres men like. I’m not going to sit through some goofy-ass female revenge fantasy for your sake, sugar-tits.

>>24530732
The best post ITT goes ignored for 72 replies. Figures.

>>24530658
psychology, especially of the Freudian/Jungian variety, explains so much.

>>24530703
>>24530658
these articles are about how straight men not reading is a problem, you absolute fucking idiots

>>24531381
so was your goal here actually to look like an idiot, or was that just a byproduct of you using a keyboard?

>>24533239
No these articles are about how straight white males aren't reading their progressive literature and that's a problem.

>>24533284
>progressive literature
you mean progressive slop

>>24531207

>>24530790
>You will perish in an excruciating manor
beats perishing in a cozy hovel

>>24531315
DANGEROUSLY based holy lord

So a single poster read the article in the OP and was basically ignored?

>>24531357
>going by the novelists at the Hugo awards
>drop from 80% male to 0% male in five to ten years

Ahh yes, the totally organic development and objective measure of gendered interest on literature.

Are you retarded?

>>24533976
I’ve been boycotting the New York Times ever since they hired that white male hating Korean reporter. (who had a white boyfriend naturally)

>>24531744
This is like the modern secular equivalent of "the church says that heretics are dumb, evil, ugly, and possessed by demons", right?

>>24531744
Sounds like the researchers (and you) are unaware of the limitations of IQ tests.
The don't measure "intelligence," they measure an undefined quality called "IQ."

>>24532222
You know the rules.
Actually you probably don't, since this place is teeming with newfags nowadays.

>>24531822
I've noticed the same.

>>24532744
Even the Labour Party doesn't take any notice of Starmer anymore.

>>24532876
>Mad Max: Fury Road are both popular with men
[citation needed]
Most men I know were furious that Mad Max was reduced to a bait-and-switch for the stronk womxn protagonist.

>>24535642
I liked Fury Road and I think we should put women in camps.
Consider getting some taste

>>24535642
i bet ur seething they swapped on john wick for a chick in that new movie amirite

>>24535681
>implying I watch that retarded shit

>>24535673
Compare Fury Road with Mad Max 2, then apologise.

>>24535727
>just seethed about mad max
>claims to not watch slops
ok

>>24535738
Mad Max 2 is unironically one of the best and most influential sci-fi movies of all time.
It's like Dosteovsky compared to modern-day goyslop.

>>24535744
are you australian? who else could believe such a completely absurd statement lmao

>>24535765
>unironically watched john wick
Movies were better in my day. Zoom moar.

>>24531267
>Kamala lost bigly
>And they still haven’t figured out why
Everyone is learning that Republicans are basically the Israel First party and yet they still can't win these disenfranchised males into the Dem fold. It's insane how badly they've fucked up, but they're too vain to admit it.

>>24535822
i have never watched any john wick except for a 20 second youtube clip of him saying "yeah, i'm thinking i'm back" because it's a meme

>>24535822
You're here forever and this site belongs to the younger fags now. Cope.

>>24535835
>blah blah israel
believe it or not most americans just aren't as anit-semitic as the average ivy league student

>>24535848
>durr it's only ivy league students
Do you tell yourself this to assuage the nervousness? The boomers are your only bulwark.

>>24535845
Nothing will ever belong to you.
You will own nothing, and be happy.

>>24535855
>prioritizes issues only rich people care about
>can't figure out why they lost the working class
keep it up

>>24535862
You think the working class want all their taxed dollars to keep getting funneled to Israel? You actually think they're on your side? lmao

>>24531744
>Rightoids never talk about this,
I'm not a slave moralist cuck that cares about peer reviewed studies.

>>24531831
Also, I'm trans in case anyone cares.

>>24535848
I’m anti semitic but I consider Palestinians Semitic too.
I couldn’t care less if they butcher each other.

>>24535848
Most Americans are just waking up to the reality of ZOG. 2030s might look like the 1930s. Get ready, Jacob.

>>24535848
I assure you I make the average college student look like Netanyahu

>>24531287
>Also, sorry to say it, but if you can't identify to some extent with a book written by a woman or featuring a woman protagonist, then it's a personal problem.
You act like the current lib establishment isn't propping up mediocre female writers.
Listen some of my favorite writers are women....but none of them are American, none of them european, or even white.

You can find exceptional writing women in Asia, who know how to command attention, and represent the best side of relationships.
The entire media in the west is an incestuous nepotism circus that has given rise to the worst era of storytelling in history.

Either I engage with a story of a straight white male and relate to the humiliation he'll experience in the story - or I have to stomach through another poorly conceived, power tripping cunt who doesn't converse with anyone off her soap box and spends most of the time patronizing the readers with power fantasy.

>>24536237
>I have to stomach through another poorly conceived, power tripping cunt who doesn't converse with anyone off her soap box and spends most of the time patronizing the readers with power fantasy.
lmao wtf are u reading?

>>24531744
>Turn Academic institutes into leftwing recruitment centers
>"you see the data shows highly educated people are largely left wing!"

I loved to see the malding when Trump ended all funding to these dipshits. I've never seen such psychosis as someone realizing their jig is up.

>>24536244
Find me a female character written in the last 15 years in the west who this doesn't apply to.

>>24531325
This phenomenon is happening outside of lit.
Academia is now majority women and now the prestige and value of post grads has significantly diminished. This isn't a flaw, it's a feature. Prestige follows where white guys go. Even if they do a hostile takeover, the luster of the established shall lose the power it once had.

>>24533935
Underrated, have a (You).

>>24535835
post-trump republicans are somehow building the big tent in real time. 2024 was the least racially contentious election in decades based on voter turnouts despite it literally being framed as brown woman vs evil old white man. trump won the majority of the hispanic vote, too

>>24530840
>I'm from Seattle :,(
Oh, I'm sorry.

it's clickbait/engagement bait and you retards keep falling for it

>>24536356
you’re a gentleman and a scholar, anon.

>>24536488
Nta I was a normal Democrat in 2019, voted Obama twice, then I moved to Seattle. Nothing will turn you into a frothing Nazi faster than living there and seeing exactly what the left will do when they have full control, as they do in that city. After three years, I left and was a radical rightist forevermore.

>>24537212
Same thing happened to me when I moved to Cambridge, Massachusetts. I was a working-class masshole whose father was in a trade union so I was a Democrat by default. Then they decided to abandon the white working class because they thought they could play identity politics and get retarded women and browns to vote for them so they could get in on the ((global finance)) gravy train. I started working in the tech industry with champagne socialist nepo babies and I realized I was never going to be fully accepted because their entire social world runs on smoke and mirrors, bullshitting, and self-hatred and I wasn't on board with that. I left and miss nothing. I had the Uncle Ted experience essentially.

>>24537237
Similar story to me, fren. Nowadays I can't step into Cambridge without being overwhelmed by an evil aura. That place is viscerally dark in a way that makes you know something terrible is happening to it. Sad to think of all the great times I had in Harvard Square as a lad and a teen, but all that was worthwhile has been hollowed out by our good friend (((global finance))). Currently hiding out in New Hampshire waiting for that shit to come here eventually.

>>24530635 (OP)
NO. There are only white women and then "BIPOC" women/gay men in comtemporary lit. Literature is dead and ruled by white women who went to ivy league colleges and live on daddys money in NYC.

>>24537271
I can sum up living in Cambridge like this...
>Yayyyyyy! I get to live the college lifestyle forever! I just have to sit through class all day and delay growing up and starting a family and give up the dream of owning property! But the cafeteria food is amazing, and I can have recreational sex with lots of people I can't trust! Like OMG!
Living amongst the most "educated" people in America has its downsides, and it's people wanting to stay in a state of arrested development forever, and getting mad at anyone who sees the con for what it is. I just remember walking around and thinking "where are the kids and old people?" It's not a real community. It's a yuppy work-farm. Young anons reading this... try to make it in your hometown. If you have a good family stay close with them and make the most of your surroundings. I wasted a lot of time I won't get back. Don't make my mistake.

>>24536237
>Listen some of my favorite writers are women....but none of them are American, none of them european, or even white.
I hardly doubt that, especially since you've refused to give names.

>>24538342
They're all Japanese

>>24538370
My gf goes to another school...you wouldn't know her.