Thread 24531993

Whenever I see someone using an em dash nowadays I immediately become suspicious of AI use

There is no respite and this will only get worse

>>24531993 (OP)
what will we do once it learns to mask itself a little better

nothing will ever make me hate the em dash
I will judge everything I see on its own merits

>>24532006
One shudders to ponder the sloppening of the literature of posterity

>>24532058
The age of literature has come to a close.

>>24532061
the time of the orc has come

>>24531993 (OP)
You're kidding-- really?

>>24531993 (OP)
I like
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And so on

>>24531993 (OP)
I have a solution for you: ---
I call it the W-dash

>>24531993 (OP)
I seem to recall Nathaniel Hawthorne being quite fond of them--if I remember correctly

back in 2020, when I see an em dash I though humanities phd pseud. Now, AI. Same shit.

>>24531993 (OP)
>tfw dont care because content matters more then its origins
lol
>>24532006
You dont even realize just how masked it is already. Its not like ai ten years ago. Its not like Ai from 2 years ago. And its getting smarter very very fast. Their improptu poems are better then human written ones already.

>>24533005
>Their improptu poems are better then human written ones already.
Not yet

>>24533005
>Their improptu poems are better then human written ones already.
Name five contemporary poets that have released a book in the last five years.

>>24533010
Actually, they are, go try chatgpt, you can generate high quality poetry based off any prompt. Its way better then my own stuff and ive been writing poems for years. Its better then most of the classics ive read, too. And they can generate kids stories, pretty well too.
>>24533016
...That only proves my point further anon...Anyways, the poems they can insto generate are on par with some of the greats and i mean that sincerely, you can call it slop all you want, maybe it is, but its running circles around over 90% of people can or have made throughout history.

>>24533030
I've been a day one user of AI since the release of chatGPT in November, 2022, and have tried to use it for creative writing
It has always sucked
But I do use it for research
But... Claude seemed to be the closest
I'll check out chatGPT again

>>24533005
>content matters more then [sic] its origins
This is exactly what people mean with the word "slop"

>>24533030
I am going to choose to be sincere and admit that I find it frustrating when somebody who doesn't know very much about poetry claims that AI is good at it. If only. It is obvious to anyone that has specialised in something just how far AI has to go before it reaches an agreeable level of competence, it just seems sophisticated if you are somewhat ignorant. I am not anti-AI just to be clear -- quite the opposite -- I've actually been reading a lot of interesting texts that utilise it lately. But no, AI is not even close to surpassing even our intermediate contemporary poets. I know this seems like bullshit since from your perspective contemporary poetry is a collage of idpol slop (which a lot of it frustratingly is) but I promise you that just like any other art form "There is nothing good these days" quickly becomes "you just have to dig for it".

>>24533059
I take slop to mean something generated with AI with no creativity involved in the process.
This whole "AI is going to replace artists" notion is so silly. A camera is not a photographer and a picture is not a painting. Everyone was worried about this exact same thing and guess what? It led to some interesting convergences such as Gerhard Richter.

>>24531993 (OP)
Yeah. I want to keep using em dashes. I've used them a lot, excessively even, since long before chatgpt. I remember learning the alt-code to use em dashes in the WoW chat as a kid. Now even I feel a certain self-consciousness about using them, not because I dislike them, but because of the gut reaction it will provoke in the reader of my post that will prevent them from reading it at all.

Alt+0151
Now you can use it too

>>24533016
Idk what this picture means
Pls explains

>>24533266
NTA but it appears to mean "eat shit"

>>24533266
>>24533280
I posted it as an analogy for how people take it at face value that something is bad (i.e. poetry) when really they have just developed this perception by zeroing in on what is worst. I wasn't telling anyone to eat shit.

>>24533280
How? I mean I'm sorry for being retarded but how does it mean that?

>>24533294
Well the "vein" in a shrimp is just its intestine, filled with shrimp shit
I've seen weird stuff pop out while deveining large shrimp

>>24533289
I love you anon
Do you have a gf or wife?
Do you have sisters?
How tall r u?
Do you read Chinese poetry?
Im trying to read Chinese poetry but it's so odd to me
How old And tall and muscular and handsome are you, anon?
Thank you
I love you

>>24533074
this is a stupid argument because cameras require skill to use
ai does not. no amount of justification will change this, you are not writing, it is writing for you. you are not brainstorming, it is doing it for you. you are not a creative if you cannot do these things on your own.

Eliza still the best AI and closest to Turing original humanity test because humans are still dopes who will believe anything if you ask
>And how does that make you feel?
or repeat everything they say as a question or affirmation

>>24533416
You are just trapped in your perspective as an inhabitant of the present. When photography was invented people would have viewed it as an "instant portrait painting maker" simply because they did not have the necessary knowledge and vernacular to describe what it was in actuality. Similarly we will come to view AI generations as seperate though comparable and eventually be able to communicate what it is in actuality: An amalgamation of the totality of recorded humanity filtered through a language command. I am not saying that AI will not fundamentally change things, simply that we are at a stage where things feel particularly unnerving because the boundaries haven't been made clear.

This is funny because I've started using more em dashes just to fuck with people

>>24531993 (OP)
I use em dash whenever I use Microsoft Word. I think they make my reports look nice.

>>24533701
yeah, one can't go back to using the tiny dash (hypen) everywhere but in compounded words, once he has been exposed to the beauty of the em dash

>>24531993 (OP)
someone should post this OP to >>>/g/ for keks

>>24531993 (OP)
Does it use – or —?--and does it put spaces between them?
I guess there's a solution there in formatting them 'the other way'...—provided the beast is uniform in its deployment of them

>>24534352
>>>/g/105853865

>>24532006
It can mask itself already, even introduce random mistakes, the thing is the people using the AI are NPCs themselves. The reason you can see “ai slop” pictures so easily is that it’s the default result. The NPC doesn’t try to tweak it or change styles until it stops looking fake.
I mean there are people handing in work that includes “as a language model I can’t” type sentences. They could’t even bother proof reading.

Ultimately human laziness will win out. It’s just a matter of how much it will handhold idiots with default settings.

Oh cool it's this thread again.
Is it bots astroturfing AI? Is it that simple?

>>24531993 (OP)
nigger.

I’ve used them constantly since my late teens. The author who got me started on them was CJ Cherryh — a useful a dynamic replacement of the semicolon. I post mostly on my iPad so it automatically formats a double-dash into a full EM dash which is nice.

>>24531993 (OP)
I use em dashes anon :( am I fucked?

It's great for world building, I laughed like a mad man at the rituals and shit it gave me for the secretive priestess milking by the blind attendants at the temple of fertility. Really funny stuff. Couldn't stop refining it, adding more insane and weird details. It turned into some kind of asexual erotica.

The Role of the Blind Attendants

Only blind men may serve as milking attendants, responsible for extracting the sacred milk used in high-class potions and ritual nourishment. These men must have been blinded by accident or fate, never self-inflicted or ritualized. A sign that destiny itself has offered them to the goddess.

The Bond Between Priestess and Attendant

Each priestess selects her own attendant, choosing someone she feels safe and spiritually aligned with. The relationship is one of deep trust, respect, and careful ritual observance.

The milking is done in quiet sanctuaries, with prayers and soft incense burning.

Attendants must know the anatomy and emotions of the priestess better than most, as the process requires careful, gentle massage to ease discomfort and stimulate the sacred flow.

Daily Rituals and Sacred Duties

Milkbearers do not merely extract sacred milk, they are caretakers of the body and spirit:

Each morning and evening, they bathe and cleanse their chosen priestess, including gentle, respectful massage of the entire body. This process is ritualized and carefully codified, done in near silence with mantras or soft hymns.

The intimate areas are treated no differently than any other part of the body, it is seen as cleansing the temple of the goddess, not as an act of desire.

If a priestess of Fertility is paired closely with a priestess of Reincarnation, the Milkbearer tends to both, a practice believed to maintain the cycle of life and rebirth in physical harmony.

Once a year, during the Rite of Echoing Light, the roles reverse:

They offer a blessing of shared vitality, which involves ritual massage meant to reaffirm spiritual bonds and honor the male seed. Seen not as a reproductive force here, but as a symbol of life-giving energy.

The priestesses cannot bear children, a result of their divine role, but they take in the blessed seed symbolically, either anointing ritual objects with it or preserving it in sacred vessels used in fertility rites.

>>24537611
>world building
Go back to r/books faggot

>>24533266
are you literally such a poor pathetic thirdy that youve never eaten a shrimp before lol

how come this— (alt-0151) doesn't come standard on a computer keyboard? its so much more emphatic than- I would never take anyone that used- seriously. Bigger is truly better

>>24531993 (OP)
I use semicolons in place of em-dashes. That's the secret meta.

>>24537650
Sea bug where you have to remove shit to eat is not white people food

>>24531993 (OP)
I loathe the em dash because we keep trying to force people at work to stop using it in file names as it prevents the files from being zipped.