After 30 years on this Earth I can't help but think he was right.

>>24533145 (OP)
about what?

>>24533152
Replace man in the sky with will and start frowning about it.

>>24533145 (OP)
He's a mixed bag. Meh

>>24533155
Is that what got him to push the old hag down the stairs?

>>24533165
It's all futile and shit. Plus, German. You know how they be.

>>24533178
Germans used to be men. Now they're gay jewcucks.

>>24533145 (OP)
what I find funny is how he shows how every weakling gets dogpiled because living beings are cruel and how it's obvious he's a depressive loser at rock bottom and even today people hate and mock him for it even now that he's dead really show people are filthy animals they don't even have the conciousness to be self aware

I don't understand how some people take offense in the idea that life just sucks. you'd think it's the most obvious thing in the world but in people stuck in their jobs and damp apartments, getting STDs from their wives, getting cancer, getting scammed, feeling dread every day they would see it too. but instead they look at you like you wished their mother death for saying life sucks.

>>24533394
>instead they look at you like you wished their mother death for saying life sucks.
So was this intentional or...

>>24533394
You'd think it'd be obvious, but people are absolutely incapable of viewing life outside their precious little bubble, miserable or not. If you take into account all life on Earth, there's clearly more suffering than pleasure.
>b-b-but it's not quantifiable
I don't need to quantify what's plainly visible to anyone who has functioning eyes and ears and isn't a dishonest, immoral (or worse, evil) coward.
But I suppose Schopenhauer's greatest mistake was caring. If only he had been a stoic, people today could slap his face on an app and sell his bullshit as mindfulness. But pessimism isn't stoicism. There's no profit in it, no way to make it marketable, so they ignore it. They don't want to hear the harsh truth.
People also mistake pessimism for being miserable all the time, but that's not necessarily the case. Pessimism is just a philosophical position, it says nothing about how someone presents themselves to the world. And they associate this worldview with Schopenhauer's grumpy old mug, forgetting that most of those portraits and photographs were taken late in life. He wrote the bulk of his work when he was still relatively young. In truth, pessimism is closer to being the philosophy of a vigorous young man than the opposite.

>>24533394
>getting STDs from their wives
what? is that a thing? i read that black wives in the US get stds from their bisexual husbands but i didn't know this one. is it an anglo thing? do anglo women fuck promiscuous men and then infect their husbands?

>>24533184
Nah they've always just loved rules.

>>24533512
>anglo women fuck promiscuous men and then infect their husbands?
You have weird sexual fantasies

>>24533524
how's that a sexual fantasy? he's saying men get stds from their wives as if it's a common part of life, i'm just asking about a plausible scenario

>>24533145 (OP)
There's nothing wrong with this. If you're just pessimistic then try to avoid classifying different flavors of it, you'll wind up at Nietzsche through trial and error. If this is your realistic view on life then carry on schopefag.

>>24533394
>existence of pleasures like a pleasant scent that come of themselves and do not therefore eliminate a prior desire

Every single rotted cooch on the planet does this. Don't forget you still have to think.

>>24533485
Apparently Kastrup made the Descartes to Schope leap. I don't know what Kastrup had to say on this but everyone eventually realizes how Descartes works. You might like yogacara.

>>24533512
If there are females and homosexuals who enjoy Schopenhauer then instead of a rotted cooch it would be a rotted dick.

>>24533578
>then try to avoid classifying different flavors of it, you'll wind up at Nietzsche through trial and error.
what do you mean by this?

>>24534627
Schopenhauer viewed suffering as inherent to the human condition. To specify different forms will put you into Nietzsche's philosophy. He had a 3x3 grid for it.

>>24535148
Okay but is that a good or bad thing, why did you say carry on with schop if that "your" realistic view

>>24535178
Iirc Nietzsche though the initial phase was just realizing life has more suffering than pleasure, the corresponding response is to seek more pleasure in an attempt to balance. If this runs it's course then you will contemplate suicide, the response you develop is to begin thinking outside simple pessimistic/optimistic judgements. The final phase is just realizing suffering is an emotion, you affirm life or deny it, the response you develop is that whatever subconsciously generates it becomes irrelevant and it doesn't register as conscious thought anymore. Think of it like a conversation topic or something. Schope's view it as a potential source of inspiration. You never know when a Schope is going to say something profound.

>>24533145 (OP)
>>24533394
>>24533485

Part of it is the fact that we cannot read minds. This allowed for the invention of conspiracy theories like the soul, which let an entire institution dedicated to thinking illogically take root. This was compounded by the blur between confrontation and domination, as all spats between animals used to be to destroy eachother, but we evolved to project survival over something less immediate, the future; we developed the notion truth. This is relevant because the soul does two things, it attacks the truth and it attacks the human. It addresses the animal, immediate need to dominate and the long term, existential need for truth/value. So it is what people like to do more than just look for the truth. From religion came the justification of slavery, since we believed in magical skin inferiority. Mental health which was also weaponized using conspiracy theories about the mind instead of the soul. And from there capitalism really took off, taking advantage of the public's lack of understanding of shellshock and humane working conditions. Our lack of ability to understand other humans was also used create the red scare. Now it's trannies. There's no end to it, and it all stems from the fact that we cannot empathize aka read people's minds. Forced empathy, that to me, something like nuerolink, will be the most important invention of all time. Though if it were up to me I'd steralize everyone.

>>24535353
>From religion came the justification of slavery
Uh no dude. Slavery existed before religion.

>>24535395

I wasn't thinking about all countries, only the ones that used religion to justify it. Even then that doesn't seem true, I don't know what tribe practiced slavery but wasn't spiritual. But it's besides the point.

Arthur Schopenhauer is the father of post-nut clarity.

>>24535222
Where did Nietzsche say that? He did choose to affirm life despite agreeing with Schopenhauer about there being immense suffering, but I can't remember the rest.

>>24535353
Please do yourself and everyone else a favor and record these thoughts in your personal diary where they cannot pollute the public discourse

>>24535865
Schopenhauer thought this life/world was evil and should be overcome. By "annihilation", his understanding of the Vedanta, he meant entering a higher order of reality
About Nietzsche's real position there will necessarily be dispute--but you can tell that he did deep down believe in the immortality of the soul. His method in life was to torture himself with the darkest truth--so as to overcome everything; he signs his madness letters, The Crucified.
It is interesting that R. Wagner predicted Nietzsche's turn from Schopenhauer
> In the evening a letter from Prof. Nietzsche, which pleases us, for his mood had given us cause for concern. Regarding this, R. says he fears that Schopenhauer's philosophy might in the long run be a bad influence on young people of this sort, because they apply his pessimism, which is a form of thinking, contemplation, to life itself, and derive from it an active form of hopelessness.
This is a very important quote

>>24535865
So is this accurate?

>>24536074
No this is moronic, it would be more accurate if both captions read “everything matters”, especially in the case of Schopenhauer; read this
https://hmakse.ccny.cuny.edu/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Transcedent_Speculation-Arthur-Schopenhauer.pdf
personally Schopenhauer was a fairly cheerful person, albeit grumpy, and seems to have suffered less than Nietzsche, who experience terrible sickness (which I believe was brought on by the severity of his genius).
Schopenhauer’s pessimism is purely Shakespearian
I didn’t realize Camus reading existentialist retards frequented this place; actually I knew this but had forgotten; so I will be retiring from 4chan ;)

>>24536090
>Schopenhauer’s pessimism is purely Shakespearian
you mean performative?

>>24535353
So, what you are telling us is: you came to these conclusions ostensibly by yourself, and you think that they are so profound that you feel the need to bestow this "wisdom" upon other people?
That is really something.

>>24536095
I mean tragic. The essence of his pessimism is contained in Shakespeare’s tragedy. He says this
He says Shakespeare deeply intuited the fatefulness of all human individuals.
Character is destiny
And so self-improvement isn’t really possible, not within your phenomenal life
Pope wrote:
>Then turns repentant, and his God adores
>With the same spirit that he drinks and whores;
So one should seek understanding

Understanding is the “breaking of the will”
Wagner says Jesus was born with a will already broken, so he never sinned

Turns out Schopenhauer's work is not what I thought it was. I thought he was some kind of pessimist like Cioran but more lengthy and formal. I need to read more and stop making assumptions. So many books, so little time yada yada yada.

>>24536090
>I didn’t realize Camus reading existentialist retards frequented this place
Genuinely the worst type of retards drawn to "philosophy" no offense to the other dude. But I understand both him and you. Such a philosophy is so convenient.

>>24536131
Only read books you feel you should. Schopenhauer is tremendously profound, but save him for when you are ready

schoppy pushing a woman down stairs is the most based thing any philosopher has down

>>24535865
That was a quick synopsis of aphorisms from 3 or 4 different books from him. The Nietzsche accused the Schopenhauer of denying life. I'm not interested in re-enacting the shit-fling. The process is dependent on the individual and Nietzsche also thought there were some people who by virtue of some internal composition or disposition were just better suited to life affirmation. His early material, H2H, and Gay Science stand out though.

>>24536060
>>24536097

Snark makes you look stupid.

>>24536165
He said he didn't do it

>>24536895
Posting your retarded analysis makes you look stupid

>>24533145 (OP)
>I'm 12 and this is really deep

>>24536923

I agree, because you veiw it so. Since you don't have anything to add about whether or not I'm wrong, I can only assume you want to vent. Are we happy now? Maybe we can move onto more important matters if it's all out of our system. Like whether or not I'm wrong.

>>24536927
I'm 40 and this is simply the truth.

>>24536165
allegedly*

>>24535353
>>24536932
nta, but Schopenhauer believed in the soul, just in a different and more perennial conception of it than the mainstream Christianity of the past 500 or so years. I mean, this is a man who revered Plato and loved the Upanishads and whose dog was literally called Atma. Get a grip.

>>24536932
There's really nothing to say to someone whose philosophy essentially revolves around the idea that simply having good fee-fees will magically make the world a better place, aside from telling them they would fit right in with reddit.

>>24536131
>Cioran
a little bitch, not on the level of world-minds like your Schopenhauers and Shakespeares

>>24537795

>making people happier won't make the world a better place

How do you manage more mental gymnastics in one sentence than I can in like 10 WHEEEEEEEEZE.

>>24537787

To be frank I don't care what he believed. If I replied to someone specifically trying to make arguments that relied on that specific belief, and it also effected my argument, I'd care but. Seems irrelevant.

>>24533394
Having life suck IS the cure fren.
I was depressed for years, all sort of meds, therapy, nothing worked.
And then, I got a dose of some actual, real, transformative suffering and danger from a supposedly terminal illness.

Now that's over.
And while my career trajectory and everything I worked for was ruined, everything is fine and nothing bugs me anymore. I'm just happy to be alive and not in pain or danger. Happiness and chasing it are overrated, the absence of fear/pain is where its at. But if you've never gotten a taste, its hard to appreciate that.

>>24537814
Take your pleb tier epicurean slop back to where you came from, thanks.
>Mankind does not strive for happiness; only the Englishman does.

>>24537823
>I got a dose of some actual, real, transformative suffering and danger from a supposedly terminal illness.
>supposedly terminal illness
Was it moreso about the anxiety and fear of what was thought to be a terminal illness, or the pain itself of some sort of illness at all, because your "supposed" either implies the illness was misdiagnosed or not really real, which would imply that the solution to "suffering" is almost like the solution to fear. Confronting something youre genuinely scared of being in pain off.

For me atleast, I was beaten most of my life essentially from childhood to 18. I won't go into details, but there were many moments I very nearly genuinely feared for my life or wished I would die. I would never want for that sort of "suffering" ever again. Maybe you might say that such suffering wasnt true suffering because the type of pain that can be repeated and experienced every day and doesnt necessarily instill fear of death every day isnt big enough.

But that is why I asked initially what I asked. Im not dismissing your idea, just investigating it, to better narrow it down.

Obviously not all pain and suffering is made equal, not even because of some vague amount of "how much pain" but because the experiencer interprets pain. I know other people who have also been beaten by their parents and while I dont know the specifics, I know that many justify or rationalize it. Even to some degree my siblings do.

I think if we really want to explore your idea, we're going to have to dismiss some suffering as illegitimate to escaping suffering.

>>>24537814
Thanks for the offer but I will not be giving up my human agency to "augment" myself with cybernetics programmed by an individual who totally has the human race’s best interests at heart and which are meant to Transform me into a mindlessly happy lemming, mentally ill freak that believes in sterilizing the human race just because someone was mean to Xher once.

>>24537863

Anything other than happiness mfers when they're unhappy :<
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZE
No I don't think I will. That seems like a you problem. Try convincing me how good it is to leave instead, maybe that'll work.
>Heh, you're just too retarded to understand.
>You see daddy beats me every day. He said I'll always be a failure unless I take it like a good boy, and daddy is always right. Which means you're, actually, always wrong.

>>24537867

You wish you were half as autistic and anime as I was chud. You're in hell, I dont need a reason to exterminate you, I'm just nice enough to save you. You'll be coping on the surface of a fried planet with the rest of the wrong skins for the sin of being poor and stupid while I get money (purely cosmetic) and bitches as a digital consciousness in the a privately funded gnu social cyber city connected to a satellite.

I think you guys struck some sort of nerve there

>>24537823
No pain, no gain?

Finding out that Schopenhauer was right is one of the largest, most obvious flags for high-IQ.

>>24537956

Blllleeeeuuuugghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

>>24537886
>Anything other than happiness mfers
both I and schopie were/are happier than you last man epicuroid troon
that still doesn't make it a worthwhile metric to live by for anyone with a sovl
not reading the rest of that spew

>>24537993

I-I didn't read that either! I mean I DIDN'T read the parts around you telling me I didn't read that! Childish.

>>24533145 (OP)
>1000+ pages of schop
>lol no
>chatgpt, give me a qrd of schopenhouer in greentext

be Arthur Schopenhauer
born 1788, German philosopher
read Kant, think he’s cool but not pessimistic enough
write The World as Will and Representation

reality?
lol it’s just your brain making representations
behind it all is “Will”
big blind force, doesn’t care about you
constantly wants stuff
can never be satisfied
desire = suffering
fulfillment = boredom
life = pain sandwich

art is temporary cope
when you look at art you forget to want things for a minute

best strategy:
stop wanting
deny the Will
live like an ascetic monk
maybe have some compassion

everyone thinks he’s a downer
Nietzsche: “bro you’re smart but too negative”
still influences existentialists, psychoanalysts, etc.

basically invented philosophical pessimism
mfw life is suffering and there’s no escape except renunciation

>>24537886
>Projection and daydreaming about scenarios to cope with the fact that your life is lousy and you want to ack yourself.
I believe I now understand why some people disregard certain philosophies solely on the kind of adherents they draw in.

>>24538044

Or just having fun with what I see is a throwaway comment not worth taking seriously. How are you going to make up a scenario and position in one post and unironically accuse me of pretending in the next lol.

>>24533394
Seeing my children makes me feel that life has purpose and meaning. Schopenhauer never had kids.

>>24538114
this. it simultaneously makes you feel like youve accomplished life and can die whenever but you also want to keep living to raise and support them

>>24538114
has your life before them felt meaningless?

>>24538114
this feeling of being their parents' raison d'etre fucks children up in the long run you know

>>24538151
Yeah it felt pretty meaningless after 28. Before 28 I just wanted to have fun and thought that was the meaning of life.

>>24537823
>I'm just happy to be alive and not in pain or danger ... the absence of fear/pain is where its at. But if you've never gotten a taste, its hard to appreciate that.
I knew a guy who worked as a war correspondent and had been blown up (multiple times), shot at, and kidnapped by maniac child soldiers in Africa. He was a tough guy, and not afraid of anybody. He was also the most genuinely "I love cats" and "I love flowers" guy I think I've ever met. He liked to raise kittens and grow flowers.

>>24533184
Well that’s the West today. (I’m not some resentful brown person saying this.) Xenoestrogens and endocrine disruptors in the plastic and car exhaust and food and water and the like. A more conspiratorial person might say we’re (deliberately) being chemically and biologically emasculated by big corporations, let alone psychosocially, with the aid of governments and the regulatory agencies they’ve captured.

If I just dive into Schopenhauer's work, will I get it? Or is it too complex? What do I read before him?

>>24538237
it helps to know a little about kant. specifically his metaphysics. you don't need to know much. perhaps just read some good summaries of him. but you could totally get into schopehauer with nothing

>>24535353
> Part of it is the fact that we cannot read minds. This allowed for the invention of conspiracy theories like the soul, which let an entire institution dedicated to thinking illogically take root.
Calling the soul a “conspiracy theory” is dumb as fuck, to me.
Consciousness is primordial, consciousness is the root of all, consciousness is indivisible. There is no being without consciousness, no existence or way to speak of existence at all without presupposing consciousness.
The soul doesn’t have to be taken as some corny ghost-like facsimile of your body overlapping and interpenetrating your body and then flying out to another realm upon death (who knows, maybe that’s one aspect of it), but, like you say, the parts of you that are “invisible”. Your intellect and emotions themselves. The inner world; but not inner in the sense of spatially, but of your consciousness.
> From religion came the justification of slavery, since we believed in magical skin inferiority.
Bad poster! BAD! Bad Redditor! No!
This is a dumb take. Slavery was a common early human practice, even continuing in major widespread form some centuries ago in the West, and then still continuing throughout regions of Africa and the Third World today, and nothing of most major religions is MAJORLY about justifying slavery. Sure, people will (or did) retroactively USE religious beliefs to justify slavery, but it’s dumb to reduce religion to just that. Or, it’s already a cultural practice among peoples where a religion is forming, so the founders or prophets or messengers or lawmakers throw in some regulations of it. But people were going to enslave others anyway, if it wasn’t a religious justification for it they’d use something else; even brutally pragmatic economic considerations.
> Mental health which was also weaponized using conspiracy theories about the mind instead of the soul. And from there capitalism really took off, taking advantage of the public's lack of understanding of shellshock and humane working conditions. Our lack of ability to understand other humans was also used create the red scare. Now it's trannies. There's no end to it, and it all stems from the fact that we cannot empathize aka read people's minds. Forced empathy, that to me, something like nuerolink, will be the most important invention of all time. Though if it were up to me I'd steralize everyone.
You are a dumb retard gorilla nigger. Actually, I don’t even want to say that because I feel bad for black people by comparing you to them. I don’t even get how this is relevant to the thread.
Forced NeuraLink or something like it would also offer the most unprecedented possibility for the most high-tech slavery and surveillance state possible, potentially even globally.

>>24538217
>its le microplastics dude
no, just capitalism taking its logical course

>The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.

>>24538274
so capitalism favors jews?

>>24533145 (OP)
Schopenhauer = Reddit
Nietzsche = 4chan

>>24538288
who would be twitter?

>>24535353
>>24538270
(Cont.)
Also:
>Part of it is the fact that we cannot read minds.
Yes we can to an extent. Basic empathy is doing this. Telling people’s emotions or thoughts at the moment from their facial expressions. In fact, arguably, even understanding what people mean with spoken or written language is a form of “mind-reading”. Underlying the verbal communication is the deeper understanding of concepts, and of other people’s emotions and thoughts revealed through such language (part of having a developed theory-of-mind).

Also, some even more advanced and developed human beings have made a study and practice of telepathy, indeed being able to read people’s minds in the classical parapsychological sense of it (not just telling by words or facial expressions, but directly peering into the contents of their consciousness, with their own consciousness, silently). Some saints of Catholicism or Orthodoxy, advanced yogis, Buddhist siddhas, Sufis, and shamans have been reported throughout history and in many accounts and testimonies to be able to do just that, and that’s because they worked on expanding and developing their own consciousness, or “soul”, which you deny the existence of. But of course you will not be able to credit this.

You also can’t force empathy, that paradoxically goes against empathy itself. It’s like forcing people to be free. A paradox.

Anyway, I still hardly see how your post is relevant to the OP or Schopenhauer especially, but you got me triggered and buttflustered enough I wanted to sling some shit at your Redditor points.

>>24538278
>The cheapest sort of pride is national pride; for if a man is proud of his own nation, it argues that he has no qualities of his own of which he can be proud; otherwise he would not have recourse to those which he shares with so many millions of his fellowmen. The man who is endowed with important personal qualities will be only too ready to see clearly in what respects his own nation falls short, since their failings will be constantly before his eyes. But every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.

so what's the Schopenhauer reading chart?

>>24538298
It's the opposite of a chud statement, though.

>>24538274
In this case it literally does contribute to it you fucking retard.
I am saying, yes, global testosterone rates in men have catastrophically declined in the last few decades. Endocrine disrupters and xenoestrogens are probably tied to this. There are many young men today, in what should be the peak of their life & burst of sex hormones and testosterone from puberty and the years after, who have comparable T levels to what an average 60-70 year old man had many many decades ago (when men’s T levels typically naturally decline).

I’m sick of bringing up actual facts and having halfwits say “LOLLL, another CONSPIRACY THEORY, chud? Umm no sweaty, it’s just capitalism :^)”.
OK, maybe it fucking is. Maybe capitalism, or an especially corrupt crony form of it, is behind it. And there’s also the literal fact that things like microplastics and other compounds are shrinking men’s balls, sperm counts, and T-levels.

>>24537787
Did he believe in the soul as the substantial form of the human body? Because that's the (Aristotelian) definition that's been in use for centuries, i.e., soul as the configuration of matter, until Descartes screwed everything up by introducing spooky ghosts with his dualism.

>>24538308
> Endocrine disrupters and xenoestrogens are probably tied to this
Provably***, not probably, in fact.
There’s microplastics in our balls.

any schoppy memes?

>>24538308
>There are many young men today, in what should be the peak of their life & burst of sex hormones and testosterone from puberty and the years after, who have comparable T levels to what an average 60-70 year old man had many many decades ago
I think this is me but I don't know what to do. I miss being horny

>>24538168
you sound like a turbonormie nigger.

>>24533145 (OP)
Took me about 20 years.

>>24538389

>>24538349
And you sound like someone who reads writings from childless losers like Schopenhauer, Kant and Nietzche

>>24538404
literally never read any of them. you are just an insincere liar and/or dumb.

>>24533145 (OP)
30 years living as a midwit is a month living as a moderately intelligent person. still more time to grow up, though.

>>24538398
you seem to have studied him, which seems like a rare thing. how do you rate his metaphysics compared to other big names, is it worth getting into to the degree that you're drawing diagrams and shit?

>>24535353
Holy mother of tranny faggot word salad babble

>>24535353
I'm glad spiritualists make slave moralists like you seethe endlessly.