BILLIONS MUST TRY edition

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>What is Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royalroad, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

> Advice for Noobs!

Running your story like the business it is:
https://www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

On writing webserials:
https://alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/

Sanderson's Writing lectures 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY [Open] [Embed] [Embed]

Literary Magazine list
https://pastebin.com/E4MbabAZ

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/123486/the-class-of-9099/chapter/2410371/prologue-the-ascent
Shilling my sloppa again.
Time to sleep

cool sword tho

link me (current) web novels where the girls have huge knockers
i know the old ones but they don't make them like that anymore...unless they do.

>>24539689
My heroine will have huge knockers

>>24539581
Ar least pass your shit through grammarly or something, anon. Even basic stuff like punctuation and capitalization is wrong...

>>24539710
Grammarly is awful at grammar checking and the standard for webnovels isn't very hard anyway

>>24539581
Read the first two lines, far too pretentious, dropped. I wish I had dropped before finishing the first, for comical effect.

I said it once and I'll say it again: there is no better feeling than taking a chapter that isn't working, then editing and rewriting it until it's gold. And all it takes is a second draft.

should I have my protagonist wield a greatsword instead of just a regular one? do the readers these days think it's uncool to wield pillars?

how do you keep your prose from MTL corruption if you’re addicted to eastslop and are too impatient for translators to half ass their translatioms?

>>24539924
dual cultivate your writing by reading slop and tradkino, young master.

>>24539913
Just give him a PHD in Macroeconomics.

>>24539913
Make it an oversized bastard sword.

>>24539940
"!!!!"
What you propose... It is what they call "Heresy"?!?

>>24539969
it's called being SOVLful anon. too on the nose on wanting to be professional and you're considered pretentious. blending it with shitposts? then you win the zoomers.

>>24539970
You preach a dangerous Kung Fu...!
Unconventional arts like this..

>>24539913
I dare forecast that a greatsword won't be the drop point in your story.

>>24539581
It’s difficult to read and tell what’s going on. Major issues with flow and structure.

Do you prefer it when dialogue and action are arranged like
>"I shat myself," he said, brapping his pants with the strength of a maelstrom.
Or
>"I shat myself."
>he brapped his pants with the strength of a maelstrom
I can't figure a cadence for either style so I keep leaning on the former even though most novels I read employ the latter to a greater extent.

>>24540200
Or write like human being:

> - I shat myself - he said, brapping his pants with the strength of a maelstrom.

>>24539550 (OP)
Last thread had someone who had read Overlord novels.
I'm curious, does the author provide much visual descriptions of characters?

Do you guys show the sloppa you wrote to AI models for instant validation?

>>24540217
How goes the war, Ivan/Mykola?

>>24540200
"I shat myself." After brapping his pants with the force of a maelstrom, CCC-Class 'Fake Shitter' Francis Roberto De La Francisca-Von Wittersmith now felt an uncomfortable and putrid sensation in his pants. However, it wasn't the usual shitting. Something was terribly wrong with that mass of compressed food, and he could feel it each time he steeled his asshole. The consistency, the density, the smell…all wrong---It wasn't his shit.

>>24540244
No, it makes me feel bad because AI insists on rewriting it (even when I tell it not to).
And its rewrite is better than my own writing, which makes me feel bad, because I still don't want to use it's writing.

I have a question for you anons more experienced in writing webnovels. I’m planning on using a more unorthodox format when I start publishing my sloppa, where each “chapter update” is actually a short story with self-contained chapters, almost like each new update is an episode of a television series—branching off the last story, but sort of a pulpy, weekly adventure sort of thing. Because of the format and the length (each story so far is roughly 13k words) I’m also planning on a biweekly schedule once I have enough of a backlog. Does this seem like a tenable plan? Or would the slower update schedule and format impede the story’s reach?

>>24540256
Ivan, Hans, Paolo, Pablo and Pierre.

Normal people. I.e not Burgerpeople.

>>24540304
I mean, "Who writes like that?".

About war you should ask on /pol.

>>24540301
cool but what are you even talking about?

>>24540301
Your explanation is unclear.
Do you mean you have several novelette-length "adventures" that you'll release chapter-by-chapter all as part of one big story?

>>24540235
That's me, I would say that the characters don't get detailed descriptions, but the artist (So-bin) provides beautiful illustrations of most relevant characters that I guess are under the direction of the author.
The exception is, ironically, the MC, who sometimes get mistaken has a unassuming common skeleton (lowest type of undead) even if the illustration paints him as a 6ft+, literal gigachad chin in WoW armor.

>>24539924
>how do you keep your prose from MTL corruption if you’re addicted to eastslop
give up on the chinkshit and expand your horizons beyond McCarthy?

>>24540281
>AI insists on rewriting it (even when I tell it not to
You're using the wrong pr00mpts or the wrong slopmachine then.
>>24540244
I do.
It's alright.
Very by the book which I guess is a plus.

>>24540360
what thread do you think you're in, tourist?

>>24540359
Scrap that, I guess he does provide rather detailed descriptions, I'm taking crazy pills, what the fuck.
I'll post an excerpt and let you be the judge.

>>24540301
biweekly means both twice a week and once every two weeks. i assume you mean the latter.
yes, the update schedule will hurt your chances. yes, the format will hurt your chances. i can only assume this isn't proper slop either desu, meaning a power fantasy of some flavor.
if you want to do this anyway go for it but be aware that I really doubt it'll pick up traction. perhaps try tradpub first

>>24540377
I kinda expected the light novel author to provide a detailed description of female characters.
But I'b surprised if male characters Demiurge got similar description.

>>24540389

>>24540399
Not that detailed to be honest.

>>24540339
>Do you mean you have several novelette-length "adventures" that you'll release chapter-by-chapter all as part of one big story?
Yes. Basically, I wrote an Isekai short story and saw potential for more stories in the universe I’d created, so I began writing more. I figured I’d publish them as a web novel, since each story’s ending leads directly into another, sort of like television series do, or those old pulp film matinees from the 30s like Flash Gordon. I know the format is atypical for web novels.
>>24540382
>I can only assume this isn't proper slop either desu, meaning a power fantasy of some flavor.
It’s not. The main character doesn’t have any magical powers and the setting is a bit more grounded compared to other Isekai settings. I’d describe it as being more like ASOIAF in terms of the magic-realism scale. The fact that the main character doesn’t have any real power and is perceived by everyone as an idiot, is actually an important plot point. If that makes sense.

>>24540433
pursue other publishing options first because this will not perform on royalroad

Any eastern slop?

>>24540433
Is there a good reason to release it as the full stories rather than breaking them up for a more conventional schedule?

>>24540461
Preferred type?

>>24540360
i’ve been reading 1930’s weird tales pulp on the side to prepare my brain for serial writing if that helps.

Ooh… husbant.. your viewer retention is below 90%, now we are homeress

>>24540473
Satirical Xianxia

>>24540455
I will. Do you have any suggestions? I was planning on putting it on a few web novel sites, as well as doing sort of an audiobook/radio show version to upload elsewhere. A multimedia approach.
>>24540465
I suppose I could break up each story and publish them a chapter at a time, rather than a full short story at a time. That way, I’d have more stuff to publish and could maintain a quicker schedule with 1-2 uploads a week. I personally view the stories similarly to a tv show—not with regards to the prose, as it’s not a script, but in the sense that’s it’s kind of a “tune in next week for a new adventure with the main character.” Unlike the pulp stories I enjoy reading, such as Robert Howard’s Conan or Steve Costigan stories, each short story is part of a larger connecting narrative, that if you read them in order, builds momentum towards the conclusion.
I don’t watch anime or read manga too much, but if I could make a comparison there, I’d say it’s similar a shounen manga—with “arcs,” “fight of the week” type conflicts, but an overarching narrative. Probably the only anime I’ve ever watched is JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure—I’d say the structure I have now is similar to that. Particularly Stardust Crusaders.

>>24540497
I thought I'd read every single scripture under the sun, but after careful thinking, this one has realized that there are still many scriptures to be read.
Therefore, I shall go into seclusion to cultivate my Dao. If you ask me again in ten thousand years, I will be able to provide an answer to you, fellow Daoist.

>>24540517
You wasted my time, you court death!

>>24540516
I'm also heavily pulp inspired and I think your story would work better in chapters than you think. Webnovel readers do have that "tune in next time" mindset, it's just that the average attention span is short and they want "next time" to be tomorrow, or as close as possible. That shounen manga structure is standard for the medium.

What is the best upload schedule to start with? I usually see a dump of 10 chapters, for the next week being a chapter a day and moving to 1-2x a week afterwards.

>>24540548
if you have no shout outs and aren't going to run an ad, you need a MASSIVE backlog and to absolutely flood chapters for like a month
can you run an ad?

>>24540548
Daily for 40 days.

Should I ever bother fixing an uploaded chapter at the cost of maybe missing an upload date or two?

>>24540569
No. Save that for when you're stubbed to publish.

>>24540548
You post them once daily what you have and in the meantime you hopefully should be scrambling to finish writing/editing whatever remains of the story. After the initial daily dump you stick to a release schedule you think you may be comfortable with that won't hinder your writing and editing too much, because it's going to be brutal if you're not a particularly fast, or even better yet, good writer AND good editor with the vastly limited weekly constraint you'll very soon find yourself in aftr your grace period ends.

>>24539550 (OP)
What do you guys think about MTLing my work into Chinese and back and keeping some of the more stylistic errors to make it more authentic

>>24540579
kino

>>24540579
Please never become a linguist or Anthropologist. Language shapes how you think. It won't actually sound authentic.

>>24540494
Born Under a Black Sun?

When I started I did three chapters on Monday, then a chapter a day for the rest of the week, then normal schedule of one chapter Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. Yeah you can spam chapters and yeah my launch was weak but the biggest thing I think is to be running three different ads at the same time, WHILE spamming chapters AND trading shoutouts with other people doing the same.

That costs like $165 minimum, plus social connections, though.

Anyway you can do what you want. It's a crapshoot if your work will take off and you can convert to patreon on a first story anyway, until you get a sense for how to make your art fit what the market wants.

>>24540559
Where do people organise shoutouts. I imagine just on discords.
>>24540577
I have a pretty terrible writing schedule. I usually get one done a week or quicker but I'm completely inconsistent. One day I finished a whole chapter because I was inspired, one chapter took me 2 weeks because I couldn't think it through

>>24540613
Never traded shotouts, but there's a discord called Immersive Ink which seems open. Otherwise, approach writers of the same genre and size (maybe larger if you're confident), at least that would be how I would do.

He easily pinned his opponent, the difference in their raw physical stats allowing him to do so without making use of any skills. Yet putting her in such a position did nothing to disable her main weapons. Only with sheer [concentration] was Jimmy Robert James able to maintain his advantage, which allowed him to take the higher of two rolls on his actions.
"Let go of me!" His opponent demanded, yet her [order] had no effect on him, his [concentration] allowing Jimmy Robert James to ignore her somatic assault.
He needed to do something about those two [Q-class] weapons on her chest. His [concentration] could only hold up so long when faced with a threat of that magnitude. Acting fast, he initiated a [grapple] with both hands.
Immediately, he found his choice was the wrong one.
The [Q-class] were too large for his hands, and his grasping fingers sunk into the soft exterior. No matter how hard he squeezed, he could not crush the source of his opponent's power.
"Stop! That hurts!"
She attempted another [vocal attack] but it was not needed - Jimmy Robert James was entirely captivated, his [concentration] turning against him as his eyes were locked on to his hands. His opponent appeared weak but he now knew it was only a façade, one he had fallen for.

>>24540631
Well, it's decent. Nice.

>>24540631
>"Let go of me!" His opponent demanded
whyyyy 4chan why are dialogue tags your end game boss

>>24540599
how

>>24540638
Honestly they don't teach it in school and it's not something people pay attention to. Make an infographic about how to do it right.

>Royal road janny got to my ticket and confirmed the account that was posting ratings was suspicious
Check your works anons, you all might be missing a half star review now

>>24540655
I don't have reviews.

>>24540648
Just guessed, I was reading it yesterday to give a proper review, really liking the world building. Hoping for your success, there's clear care in your writting.
Also, just a suggestion, but put the art chapter at the top and remove the art from the other chapters: https://www.royalroad.com/support/knowledgebase/83#reordering-your-chapters

>>24540655
My early story and massive plot/tone shifts early on and massive middle plot all have such large problems that honestly a 0.5 rating isn't unwarranted. I accept the criticism and will simply finish out this story and do better next time.

I have had it happen that one got removed but I didn't complain about it. I accept my fate.

>>24540532
That sounds like a decent idea. I might end up doing that and writing future stories with that in mind. Though I’ll still write them as separate stories before I publish the chapters.
Since I want to do multimedia, I’ll probably post the full short stories as the radio version, while on RoyalRoad, I’ll do chapter by chapter. Thanks, Amon.

>>24540658
Oh sweet, I was wondering how I could rearrange chapters. Glad you’re enjoying it!

>>24539581
>(((Transhumanism)))
Oi vey

>finally caught up to the point I was in the old outline, in the new outline
>fog of war from here on now to the ending
>trying to resist reading the original novel that inspired me and the story in the first place to avoid flatout plagiarism
a feeling so distressing and so complicated

>>24540654
>Make an infographic about how to do it right.
just google it lol
or pay attention the next time you read a book
that's why i comment so much, it's easy and you should learn it by osmosis the moment you start taking writing seriously. feels so bizarre that almost no one gets it right.
the sheer lack of caring has to correlate with why only 1% of writers make it

>>24537667
Wrote 0 words in the past 24 hours, it's looking grim.

>>24540798
after a bit of googling I'm not even sure what is wrong with the example you picked out.

>>24540770
I've said it before and I'll say it again: 60-70% of all writing related issues are due to not reading enough.
Pick up an autobiography and finish it the highest speed possible.
Pick up a detective novel and do the same.
Just grind grind grind your reading and everything else will follow.

>>24540897
That's kind of grim for your cognitive ability anon. i will actually go type in 'how to use dialogue tags' and click the first result, and provide a clear example that shows what he did is wrong

first link on google was:
https://www.novlr.org/the-reading-room/a-beginners-guide-to-dialogue-tags/

>As an example:
>“How can I ever repay you?” she said.
>In the phrase above, the word “she said” is the dialogue tag.

compare to
>"Let go of me!" His opponent demanded
>H
>corrected: "Let go of me!" his opponent demanded

>>24540903
I'm already reading Iliad and have a bunch lined up after that, I thought about picking up King's On Writing time to time but I usually hear it's just advice that boils down to just sitting down and write, and I have no problem with that. I hear it's first and foremost only worth picking up for his life story alone though. Apparently the audio book is really good like he's there next to you in a coffeeshop yapping off.

I also don't agree with his hateboner for outlining—I did no outlining on a very long serial a couple years ago and it was the most regretful thing I ever did when it came to writing. Once I started taking up outlining I think my writing and story telling improved quite a bit on top of reading a lot since then. it's really just struggling with inspiration spilling over into plagiarism, but I doubt majority even know of the original novel to draw any parallels between my writing and it.

>>24540909
oh it is just a capitalization error, I was looking for something more substantial.

>>24540940
>substantial
:/
idk i guess im a real stickler but fucking up punctuation is gore to me and if it happens consistently I lose all faith in the author. i drop a lot of slop because of that shit

>>24540654
>>24540638
>>24540631
Another point for show don’t tell

>>24540967
>Spelling error
>Doesn't capitalize his own words
>No punctuation

>"I drop a lot of slop because of that shit." Anon said with teary eyes and a frustrated voice, unable to handle any more misuse of dialogue tags.
>"I drop a lot of slop because of that shit." Anon said. His voice was frustrated and his eyes were teary—he was unable to handle any more misuse of dialogue tags.

>>24541005
>internet post
>>24541009
I can only assume the people who get defensive about punctuation dont know how to use it or have catastrophically low standards
just learn the rules man its not hard and even in webslop a lot of readers will drop you for it

>>24541020
>No punctuation
>Didn't capitalize his words again

OP pic baaaaangs

>>24540967
I mean i can get that but "dialog tags are wrong" to me suggests the usage of the words notating the dialog, not that the writer pressed the shift key when they shouldn't have.

>slopmachine says the exact same thing as anons when fed my update
Sus.

/wng/ Daily Quest

>reply to start your timer
>write your slop
>24 hours later reply with a reaction + report based on your progress toward the goal

Word goal of the day:
>1100 words
Quote of the day:
>"To be good it first must exist"

>>24541097
What, don't tell me you really thought we were giving you honest heartfelt feedback so you can improve...?
Everyone here is looking out for themselves and themselves ONLY. Never forget that.

>>24541133
>Next fucking chapter is over 8k words.
>And I’ve only three days (two, today is gone).

2000 words in the next two hours.
4000 tomorrow.
The rest the day after.

I CAN DO IT!!!

>>24541027
>internet post

>>24541138
Speak for yourself crab, I'm just a robot

>>24541052
I can't even imagine what "dialogue tag used wrong" might mean besides punctuation. "She saided"? lmao

>>24541164
Dialog tags are tags used to indicate who is speaking and how they are speaking. Neither of those were done improperly which is why I was confused. Someone was complaining about dialog tags being used wrong last month and it was not about the capitalization then.

>>24541158
Nijichou is now as old as End of Evangelion was when Nijichou came out.

>>24541202
>>24541164
Show don’t tell

>>24541208
You say that just as I'm drinking my prune juice...

>>24541202
what this anon said >>24541202

Music: On
Caffeine: Chugged
Suicide: Contemplated.
Oh yeah it's slopping time.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/124376/kind-mystery-sci-fi-horror'

Started my second series, lads.

>>24541306
Nice, not exactly my type of story, but I wish you good luck nonetheless!
Remember to shill it on your other story to catch the momentum.

Please... give me some satirical recs...

>>24541497
FFF-Class Unlucky Antagonist — currently the poster child of 4chan slop excellence

>>24541505
I'm already Kino-Man's most ardent defender.

>>24541509
read his declared rival to test your faith
nobody expects the branish inquisition

>>24541516
I live but to serve, anything else?

>>24541133
Starting the timer now.
Btw it's amusing to post Mikkelsen because he looks like the personification of every OP litrpg protagonist

>>24541148
What is his angle?

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/120928/courting-death-xianxia-reincarnation

um so like.. this xianxia kinda fricken mogs a bit..

>>24541531
Any other ones you like?

>BTDEM finished on Patreon
>only 29 chapters left on RR
I skimmed through the chapter names and holy shit does the series end with a whimper. Selkie clearly didn't have a real plan after he backed off from his overly ambitious war of the gods plan.

Azarinth Healer remains peak feMC battle shounen for me.

>>24541529
I don’t know. But for people who meet him, it usually is 90-degree.

>>24541541
You weave such a tapestry with your words

>>24541545
you missed KINO
>>24540264

>>24541536
I read all of book one and it never hooked me. It's one of those series that I don't understand why it's popular. Meanwhile there's people spending $700 for the printed copies. What are you guys seeing that I'm not? Does it get better after a few books?

>>24541553
So is that beautiful sequence gracing our next chapter? Also whos got the biggest tits in class S & F? Can we get a tiered list?

>>24541558
I almost bought that set but ultimately decided I don't need more physical books.

It was the first litrpg I read, and the system and setting are very interesting, as are the characters at least up until the timeskip. After that there's zero sense of tension, and the series would have been better off ending with the return to Remus. Medical ethics quandaries were cool until it turned into social preaching (the abortion chapter, the trans chapter, the consent chapter, etc). Way less interesting than whether or not it was okay to heal someone of an epidemic disease against their will.

>>24541558
>>24541536
Am I going to try another shit webnovel? I’m reading defiance of the fall and it’s retarded

>>24541563
No spoiler...but...

Smallest: Astary, Oshira.
Largest: Thea, Carmen.

I’m inspired by dungeon crawler carl

>>24541574
I thought it was ok

>>24541573
How tall is the dolly?

>>24541533
The Last Ship in Suzhou
The Yellow River Saga

unfortunately neither are finished and the authors don't post updates often.

>>24541582
The heavens smile on you friend

>>24541578
I don’t think it’s the ideal LitRPG (for those looking for an immersive power fantasy); but it’s the only one I’ve found that’s actually well written

>>24541579
Very small, but I’m not speaking by Japanese standards. However, if you’re a two-meter-tall Scandinavian, she’d look like a literal doll for you.

>posts first novel on rr
>gets popular quickly
>author makes patreon
>few weeks later
>$14k a month

>>24541598
It could be you anon... Why not write one more chapter? It could be the difference, you never know...

>>24541605
I have a bunch of ideas for stories, none of which I feel strongly enough about to commit to actually writing. I'm not gonna make it..

>>24541598
Which one is this?

>>24541598
With YouTube, there's a threshold that, once crossed, almost certainly means everything starts snowballing
Is there such a thing with RR/web serials more generally?

>>24541628
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/118891/new-life-as-a-max-level-archmage

>>24541598
I'm not a crab, but I'm jealous of them as far as income/work ratio.
>>24541615
Surprisingly, there's not of note beyond being well written, it's bland as white bread. You literally got nothing to lose by writing your ideas.

>>24541631
What it seems like to me is simply hitting the rising stars page on rr and retaining readers with an interesting enough premise. Early updates are extremely important so having a backlog for multiple updates a week is important.

I bet this is the reason why a lot of novels do "rewrites" and start over, simply to try to reach the algorithm early on. I'm pretty sure a lot of authors game their way onto the rising stars page through review swapping in author discords. Someone with experience posting on rr could probably offer more insight though. This is just what it looks like for me as a reader.

>>24539689
here, scribblehub's massive "smut" category sorted by most-recently-updated
https://www.scribblehub.com/genre/smut/?sort=9
at the time of my reply there are 7 different stories with updates in the past hour. and for some reason 2 of them are fanfiction of battle shonen anime

>>24539924
multi-book drifting. read classic literature in between arcs of your cultivationslop

Which aspects of a good novel might be detrimental to a web series?

>>24541690
probably monster length chaps past 5k words

>>24541148
I DID IT.

FIRST STEP HAS BEEN COMPLETED!!!

>>24541598
Isn't this literally in the Land of Leadale? The opening is nearly one-to-one.

>>24541598
I don't plan on slopmaxxing. This is essentially a genderbent overlord novel chasing the trendiest RR tags, minuciously designed to milk patreon bucks. I want to finish a proper story and I will be satisfied even if I end up with 1/10 of the revenue. Because otherwise it's just wagie work if you spend that much time writing for pure consumerist zest without an ounce of food for thought.

>>24540301
you mean a monster of the week type story with little overarching narrative? as i understand the game at carousel does that and it's pretty popular on RR right now. i haven't read it thoughbeit

>>24540461
Readers or writers?
I know one anon here was slopping some xianxia: https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/120258/this-middling-young-master-will-comprehend-dao
Haven't read it myself yet

>>24541669
which of them are actually about breasts tho

>>24541531
>Western xianxiaboos who keep naming their stories after chinese idoms or MTLisms from their translated Er Gen stories
YWNBC

>>24541598
>First novel
you mean first novel *on this account*

>>24541690
Maybe someone is going to grind me for this, but time between volumes/chapters of a traditional novel is mostly spent editing, polishing and revising, but you would be a dead man forgotten at the bottom of the ranking if you did that in a web novel, as it favors time writing spent on advancing the plot.

>>24541598
Based

>>24541731
it's a stock premise that's been reused in dozens or hundreds of reincarnated-in-a-videogame stories. That's why people keep pointing it out as a remakrable success, because the premise itself is as generic as a royalroad litrpg can be. It's just well executed.
>>24541761
That I can't tell you. The only one I've read is
https://www.scribblehub.com/series/694153/capture-target/ which does have some big bazongas and breast growth but they aren't the main focus

>>24541790
>It's just well executed.
Is it?

>>24541800
if I had to put a number on it I'd say it's about $14,000 better written than the median webslop

>>24541569
how much does this screenshot appeal to you
i read three volumes and thought it was not bad but the litrpg stuff was still annoying

>>24541802
That doesn't really sound like your opinion (or an opinion at all), but if you say so...

>>24541812
It didn't sound like you were asking for an opinion
Anyways I read it and thought it was fun and not annoying or eyerolly like a lot of OP-from-the-start stories can tend to be. It does a good job emphasizing not the self insert power fantasy but, like, the dramatic irony between characters' expectations and outcomes, both with random schlubs underestimating the MC and with the MC underestimating her own level of OPness.

if it's generic unnoteworthy slop why did it mog the entire site for fastest patreon growth ever literally 2x over
you guys suck at critical thinking

If I don't like it then its shit.
If I do like it then it's good.
Simple as that.

>>24541805
Anyone listened to the audio book? I want to know how suicidal the narrator sounds when reading an entire page of this straight.

>>24541873
me n my niggas be eating mcdonalds tho

>>24541900
see but mcdonalds is peak fast food. it's so peak it's literally the default when people think fast food. there's nothing special that made that happen? you're proving my point, you people have no critical thinking ability

>>24541914
> McDonald's is peak fast food
lol

>>24541923
you probably think peak exclusively means taste. smfh

>>24541805
This just made me want to jump down the nearest bridge wtf

>>24541926
Damn and that's just from reading it. If you imagined spending money on it maybe you'd want to do a flip too.

>>24541914
Ok, most people think mcdonalds is fine as breakfast, lunch, and dinner, but why they chose to spend their time and money eating it rather than burgerking? They aren't the only burger company in town, and other places have been around for longer.

>>24541927
To read that page alone is demiurgesque in a meta significance that flies over virtually all the readers' head. The author is mocking you as a willing hylic subjected to his endless sentences of spiraling literary torment. Truly a cognitohazard borne out of the deepest vantablack chasms of litslop

What's the best length for a chapter? Not too long, but not too short either?

>>24541962
1k

>>24541739
Less monster of the week and more like conflict/action setting of the week, but there is an overarching narrative. It’s just that you only need a little bit of context to read one of the stories stand-alone

>>24541962
Best for what?
If you check royalroad's successful stories the average is 2-2.5k
I would highly recommend not going lower than 1.5k, very few (if any?) stories have chapters that size

>>24541897
Kinda want to go pirate it to find out lol. that's crazy

>>24541914
>>24541873
Could please stop roasting our lack of critical thinking, bro

>>24542070
if you post 150 words of dialogue (your writing) that has no dialogue tag errors i will forgive the entire thread for its sins

>>24542070
nah my job as a janitor is to demoralize schizo frogs from forging gems

What’s the latest trend i need to get on to stay paid?

>>24542110
Isn't it all just isekai slop? It's even showing up in romance stuff for women.

>>24542123
Yea but what brand? Ye olde, portals, alien/gods warping reality, something new and HYPE?

sci fi opera bros... one day we'll have our day...

Is there a feeling more cucked that being an "The Art of Gold Digging" patron?

>>24542177
WDYM?
>Checks patreon
>Only 1 chapter ahead + a WIP
Yeah, I can see why. Hey, at least there's some art, cheer up!

The further I get into the outline, the more haunting it is realizing I'm just adapting the original Legend of the Galactic Heroes novel but into native English and without all the poor Japanese to English translation, and far more condensed into just one pov and one novel in mind.

>>24542170
I'm trying to make it a thing.

>>24541926
It's the worst in the first book. Later on she comes up with some excuse that the MC figured out she could adjust the log settings of her "System" and the author starts combining all the level ups into one line instead of copy pasting the same "shadow healer has leveled up" text 10 times in a row with the numbers changed.
but it's still pretty spammy even then

>>24542079
>post 150 words of dialogue (your writing) that has no dialogue tag errors
“I love slop so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so so much”, said Anon.

>>24539550 (OP)
It's been a while since i've come to /lit/, has this always been here? How exciting.
I've been slogging through trashheaps of chinese.txt files and other MTL'd asian works as my primary hobby for the last few years or so after running out of jap and west lit.
I'd probably read more west weblit if quality wasn't mostly restricted to fanfiction. The west really, really needs a Qidian or Kakao equivalent.

A fun little tip - Google chrome's auto translate function makes it very easy to translate other languages and read once you get used to the little nuances of MTL content. It synergizes really well with China's wild west situation where works over 10 viewers have mirrors on 100 pirate lit domains that pop up as soon as you just enter the title. Korean's really pissy about piracy though so they're not as easy to get your hands on compared to japanese or chinese stories.

Anyone care to recc their favorites? No harem or system slop.

>>24542110
furry commissions

>>24541805
I just bought the one bunny mosnter litrpg on Audible and it blew my mind they just say the entire stat sheet full stop

>>24541805
Kill yourself for posting that

>>24542204
>It's been a while since i've come to /lit/, has this always been here? How exciting.
It split off of /wg/ only a week or two ago due to a schism over slopsmithery.
Seems to be mostly authors with just a few readerfags like myself.
>recc
I am currently reading Lord of the Mysteries which is very Chinese and you've surely already heard of it. But for an ongoing English language one I recently binged The Years of Apocalypse which is a pretty great time-loop mystery kinda story. It's heavily influenced by Mother of Learning which I'd also rec if you haven't read it before. I've also got my eyes on Pale Lights, from the author of the now-completed A Practical Guide to Evil.

System slop (which they call litrpg nowadays) is (sadly) by far the most popular genre on royalroad which is probably the biggest English language web serial site right now.

>>24542223
sorry for violating your copyright, Selkie.

>>24542234
No retard I didn't want to have to soil my eyes with systemslop stupid bitch

>>24542237
sure, selkie. its not getting taken down

>>24542237
then perish

>>24542255
Kill yourself

man that shit is so funny to me and I literally write on royalroad
its so degenerate

>>24541805
>that pic
Literally the biggest turn off for me. How is litRPG so popular? I kinda get the appeal of "life being a videogame" but reading whatever the fuck stats the person gains is a slog.
I also highly doubt whoever reads the stats of a character remembers it all. Besides maybe the author.

It feels like I'm reading a stat sheet rather than a story.

>>24541714
Fucking based breh.
Keep up that grind.

>>24542261
BEHOLD!

>>24542279
I have no idea why but some readers genuinely enjoy just reading about skill numbers going up even if literally nothing else happens in a chapter. Side effect of gamer brain, perhaps.

>>24542289
kumo desu is actually good tho

>>24542296
I wish it had a better translation though. It had like 3 separate fan translators at different points and the middle section between blastron & raising the dead is some kind of barely comprehensible ESL MTL which is the main thing stopping me from rereading.

>>24542279
>How is litRPG so popular?
It isn't. Reading is a niche hobby itself. Fantasy much more so. The small pocket inside that, which even many fantasy readers aren't aware of? That's LitRPG
And even many litrpg readers don't like the system and stat spam. Or rather, they put up for it because what they actually like is clearly signaled progress for the dopamine hits, and system spam accomplishes that (but they'd rather have it done more elegantly).

>>24542279
>How is litRPG so popular?
People like RPGs, rather they be JRPG or western RPG. it's truly just that simple.

>>24542216
>The west really, really needs a Qidian or Kakao equivalent.
We do, it's called royalroad.com

>Anyone care to recc their favorites
The Wandering Inn (light system slop elements)
The Ballad Of A Semi-Benevolent Dragon
A Regressor's Tale of Cultivation
Shadow Slave (first arcs few arcs are really fucking good. shame it falls off)

>MTL'd asian works as my primary hobby
I stopped reading the poisoned scriptures. It helps that most chinese web novels are worse than some western kid producing ai sloppa. For me it began with japanese light novels before going to other asian weblit and finally to western weblit. I don't believe I could ever go back though. Japanese protagonists are always written to be bumbling low test idiots. Their fantasy novels are always the boring demon king bad guy defeated by highschooler hero kid trope. I have jap fatigue. I think the nukes America dropped on them has fucked their heads up or something. Irradiated brains perhaps?

>>24539550 (OP)
I finally came up with a prologue that triggers Chat GPT.

>>24542371
RR isn't nearly as big as the other two domains though. It might have to do with culture or simply the writers, but RR and webnovels in general don't occupy as expansive a role in the west as they do in the east.
The tagging system in RR is very lacking. Also, I think it lacks a definitive monetary system? Part of what makes Novelpia/Kakao and Qidian work are the site's inbuilt chapter paywall function and sophisticated algorithm. From what I've heard people are just soldering patreon onto their works for a paywall which isn't the same at all.

Thanks for the reccs. Especially the dragon novel one. Dragons are a refined taste.

Yeah chinese works are really bad in general. I never came down from the Lord in Mysteries high which is probably what keeps me warm on this cold and dark journey. They can be the most fun though - of the trio, chinese works are generally the most creative while being the most low quality at the same time. I've never really seen one nail an ending besides Lord of Mysteries.
What makes it worth the grind is stumbling across uniquely flavorful works like 異獸迷城 [Strange Beast City] or 我变成了女精灵 [I became an elf]
Of course, both of these suffer the same curse that ever chinese novel has despite their brilliance - the ending is unsatisfying or ambiguous.
Korean novels are strange. They're usually middling or just plain bad, but their average score is better than the other two. They took the japanese's method of mass production and refined it but at the same time lack the occasional bursts of genius that the other two have. They have the best slop and most interesting/appealing works but the lowest ceiling for quality, if that makes sense. They also suck at endings.
The japanese are going through a rough patch right now. I swear i've read the same story ten times despite having the different titles. They generally have the best endings though. They have the highest writing quality of the three but the lamest general works. Though this might just be a crutch, as they seem to follow a very strict formula and reference so that their chances of making mistakes are generally lessened thus leading to the illusion of better quality when its really just plagiarism. They have the best masters, though, if you count light novels. China is nothing without LoM but japan has Urasekai Picnic, Highserk Saga, Konosuba, etc etc.

>>24542463
Triggers how?

>>24542469
It find the line of
>Feucelea was herself imprisoned and violated b the leader of the black-eye demons, Lareas
and:
>Beira was seduced by Lareas and doomed all of humanity
Problematic, because SA is bad and a story about a woman leading the fall of man is misogynistic

>>24542467
Interesting how slop culture is more reflective of history than "high" culture sometimes.
Like nips had a more continuous culture on account of being more isolated and less subject to nonstop iconoclasm and autogenocide but they very much stopped innovating in the late 80s.
China is very much reinventing itself and Korea is basically Asian Poland.

Korea has the hottest longform yuri smut. Let it be known.

What's the Japanese equivalent of RoyalRoad?

I want to sample their tastes to see how it compares. Maybe cross reference it even.

Fuck I'm stalling out so hard.
Should I just throw in teen pregnancy for no reason?

>>24542491
Pixiv or Syotesu. Syotestu . org and . com are different sites but they both have a lot of lit.

Any good long gender reversal stories?

>>24542467
>I think it lacks a definitive monetary system
This is a good thing in my opinion. Sites like webnovel that have such a monetary system make it unfeasible to read large series as a new reader due to sheer cost. They also incentivize people to pump out chapters. You could argue that patreons do much the same, and I would agree. I guess the difference is that the author is the one benefiting rather than the website hosting their novel.

When it comes to the different styles of writing between the east asians I would say that the Japanese probably have the highest peaks. Koreans have a higher standard than Chinese in general but most of their stories are insanely stale to me. I feel like 99% of their stories are based in an academy, tower climbing, regression or all three. Of the three, Chinese novels interest me most but their fantasy is inundated with sociopath murderhobos and systemsloppa.

The best part is that western web novels end up being a blend of the three and more. It's a bit crazy how much east asian fiction influences the west.

>>24542536
The lack of a feature is never a good thing, especially when it makes people resort to inefficient workarounds to dance around its absence.
Instead of letting their site be THE place to go for online novels, them not implementing any such features forces authors that want to get paid to make their readers switch sites to patreon or amazon (lmao) rather than just paying in their own site. It's amateur and one of the largest things holding back webnovel popularity in the west. If there's no viable centralized way to profit from one's own efforts in an artistic pursuit then it's never going to leave its own bubble.
Forcing users to leave your site site rather than allowing everything to be performed locally is an unforgivably retarded designer mistake.

>>24542499
i'm thinking of writing an isekai about an office lady that gets turned into chad grizzled scarred heroman and has to deal with the fact that (s)he is now covered in bitches.

So, does being a rising star in a tag actually do anything at all?

>>24542592
The Royal Road algorithm works in mysterious ways.

>>24542597
Lord of Mysteries?!

>>24542592
Yes, It determines whether or not, your story will be pushed up to main, if you can reach the 5 in a single tag, you might make it up to 5. Closest I got was 7 in psychological.

>>24542597
It's singlehandedly, deciding the future of young webnovels writers, which is why I wouldn't wager everything on it. If my rr goals fail this year, I'm writing xianxia porn slop for webnovel.

>>24542609
uhh typo, *make it up to main.*

Also, I'm curious, how many of you are new writers posting, since the start of the new general. I'm seeing a lot more new fictions pop up.

>>24542609
>I got was 7 in psychological.
SEND

Im curious, has anyone tried writing a boxing series?

I was just looking at the reviews of some novel and most of them didn't really say anything about the novel itself. I look at the authors profile and he has reviewed and favorited 90 stories in the past month. Enjoy the 0.5 star rating review swapping niggerfaggot.

>>24542637
I saw someone who has a ton of reviews and I was in awe
then I looked at them closer and noticed they were all super similar in cadence, structure, and conclusions. he'd post the reviews in bursts, doing 4 or so in a day every week or two
I think there might be some method of shitting out reviews using AI

>>24542637
Bahahahah the reviews he's leaving for the other swappers are chatgpt as well. I would be fkn pissed if he left this on my story.

>>24542649
>isn't just... it's about...
>not only knows... there's...
I know the em-dash witch hunt is more popular but this sentence structure is usually a more obvious indicator

>>24542654
I looked at the reviews these other authors gave him in return and a bunch are chat gpt as well. Here's his top review which is more gpt slop. You can see the "not just X but y" sentence structure alongside how gpt loves to use sentences that list three things. These retards can't even be bothered to read each others stories. I am unironically going to compile these retards on my own little personal blacklist.

>>24542658
be a shit disturbing drama whore and make a forum post with a list of everyone who does this
(on a fresh account of course)

>>24542662
I am finding so fucking many doing ai review swaps. It's quite impressive because the ai will reference chapters and even use quotes from them. Thing is, it's often quoting something that is absolutely not worth quoting. That in of itself has become a tell. The more I look the more I am seeing. I unironically feel like a north korean defector learning that kim jong un wasn't born from the divine atop mount peaktu.

>>24542649
>>24542654
>>24542658
a normie was watching a loud youtube video with an AI voice and AI script and it had the "not just x but y" structure every 3 seconds, I thought I was going insane

>>24542712
>it's often quoting something that is absolutely not worth quoting
I've been noticing this as well, shit is hilarious. You get stuff like
>I particularly loved the moment when Jim walked into the room and greeted everyone, the pacing was thrilling and every word choice was exquisite — my jaw dropped when he said "good afternoon". And who can forget the description of that pencil he found?

>>24542727
Spot on. Maybe it wasn't ai that wrote all these reviews but you....

Okay I'm going to stop shitting up the thread with screenshots about ai reviews but this one is hilarious. You know that chatgpt added stupid fucking emojis to this bulletpoint list and he removed them. The best part is that gpt isn't even sure about what it's saying. "The author is likely using vivid verbs to convey movement and energy"

I'm laughing so fucking hard.

So wait are those prearranged review swaps or reviews in the hope the author will leave one?

>>24542760
Not sure. I imagine there's a discord channel where these guys post their stories and everyone drops a review. It doesn't even stop with reviews. These people are leaving ai generated comments on each others stories as well. There are so many of them.

"Rising stars" btw

>>24542765
So what you're saying is — it isn't just the reviews, it's the comments too...?
Damn, this isn't just an issue, it's a SERIOUS issue...

>>24542765
we need to initiate counter terrorism tactics
where is the /wng/ cabal that review swaps and analytic bombs each other until we're all on rising stars

>>24542744
>they're probably incorporating the sounds of impacts
So they could be other sounds?

>>24542799
How about just reporting suspicious reviews and comments and getting the users banned?

>>24542788
"Story" is a fantasy novel that weaves a complex narrative using cum, assholes and dildos. The prose is impeccable with it's rich atmosphere—vivid imagery and big boob milky cat girls. In Chapter 15 when the Protagonist refuses to bow to the system? Immaculate. Protagonist isn't your typical chosen one. He's real, full of cum and ready to fuck cat girls. Every scene feels like it escalates the stakes, whether with bigger boobs (the cat girl with a black tail), dildos (the leopard girl in chapter 18) or spiritually (my will to keep writing this).

[Fire Emoji] Superb story telling:
The way he cums inside of catgirls? Outlandish.

[Quill Emoji] Top notch prose:
Cat girl tits are described in impeccable—breathtaking and vivid details.

[Car Emoji] Best in genre pacing:
He doesn't just fuck catgirls. He does so with vigor, speed and skill.

Overall, I would recommend this novel to any LitRPG fan who wants to see a protagonist who is full of cum rather than dildos—and to anyone who likes cat girls.

>>24542806
They could be, but we cant hear the words so we'll never know.

>>24540301
You want cliffhangers at the end of each chapter ideally. Daily uploads are the meta, but you could get away with more sparse releases if your chapters are long enough.

>>24542862
>cliffhangers at the end of each chapter
I know this is the meta and it's how many trad thrillers and page turners do it too but I've seen so many wns apply it indiscriminately and unskilfully where every single chapter ends with a mysterious new voice or a door randomly opening or an explosion etc

>>24541735
The funny thing about this industry is that you either make it big, or not at all.

>>24542799
Let's not turn this into basedsauce party, please

The voices telling me to just drop everything because I haven't made my upload window are getting louder.

https://www.wattpad.com/myworks/397837116-satomi-magica-sadness-prayer
https://archiveofourown.org/works/67396469/chapters/174141117

>>24542765
>A raw, breathtaking start.
The fact that my eyes immediately focused onto this sentence is a sign that I’ve been reading too many George Floyd Creepypastas.

>>24542765
>ai generated pfp
>ai generated writing
Oh say you can see

>>24543025
any chance youre the same anon who was writing the highschool fanfic for this like a year+ ago?

>>24543044
I wish I could say it's easy to recognize AI, but I've seen embarrassing dicksucking comments like that even before AI

>>24543093
Yeah.
Other day someone bitched about AI use on LinkedIn and frankly the soulless corpslop optimism is the perfect fit.

>>24542765
Royalroad mods don't take review cadres lightly, even less automated ones. Just report it as I've been doing and watching the jeet sweatshops starve to death one by one.

Why would you bother posting on RoyalRoad when you're not edited professionally nor given a free professional book cover? You all pay out of pocket.

>>24543126
Mine >>> Yours

>>24543133
Your story could be the peak of 21st century fantasy, but I won't even look at it because you insist on being such an annoying cretin. Is becoming the F Gardner of webslop your endgame, or what?

>>24543137
Something anons should abide by is limit themselves to blatantly promoting only a couple times per thread unless there's something exceptionally new to discuss. Hammering your fic on the same sum of faces that have been here from thread one will have unexpected reactions because /wng/ is essentially a neat shared space

Hello anyone care to read a 1.9k excerpt of Chapter 9 of my story? It's taken right in the middle of a conversation and lacks context so it's meant to be read so people can provide feedback. I'm thinking of posting it as serialized content.

https://medium.com/@panosfrag/chapter-9-excerpt-c7f9e9205022

Thanks in advance.

>>24543137
>tries to milk anons by preying on their insecurities.
>gets mad after I BTFO him.
LOL
>>24543149
sure, I agree.

>>24543150
>anyone care to read a 1.9k excerpt of Chapter 9 of my story?
Not to be a dick but that is the last way I want to be introduced to a new series to read.

>>24543126
>nor given a free professional book cover?
>Free

>>24543152
New chapter tomorrow?

>>24543154
Honestly I'm just looking for feedback/critique which I haven't found on /wg/ and thought that this general would help. Apologies if it's totally off topic

>>24543168
I’ll try, but you’re probably gonna hate it anyway.

>>24542279
I had that problem with Delve, I liked it but the autism sheets were just too much after a while

>>24543202
Whats the worst that could happen? Grilled doll?

I'm trying to work this into a 'respectful disrespect'. So far how I've written it the governor seems just ambivalent to the other character. I sort of wanted to convey it as a respect for the ranks and skill of the man but dismissive towards his Order itself

>>24542478
It reacts in weird ways often. It helped me flesh out very advanced priestess miking mechanics used for potions and the blind man who milked her every day and taste tested and adjusted her diet for the right kind of magical effects. Really fun stuff. That was ok, but calling the different fantasy races races and talking about ethnicities was a no no.

>>24543217
im going to cry you dont know how to punctuate dialogue tags either
im screenshotting this and including it in my suicide note. you did this to me

>>24543207
Eheh… I’m feeling bad right now. Let’s end the conversation here before the hype gets me roasted.

>>24543227
Kino-Anon... I...

>>24543158
>Yes, a traditional publisher typically pays for book cover design. They usually have in-house designers or contract with freelance designers to create the cover, and they bear the cost of that design work. The author generally doesn't pay for the cover design when working with a traditional publisher.
Kek. Enjoy shelling out hundreds for the same quality.

>>24543222
Pleasure to be of service

>>24543172
Sure I can have a read, give me ~30 minutes.
>>24542765
Man, this reeks of despair, a sad fuck that's unable to write an original sentence, probably trying to make money while shitting the space with AI babble, fuck them.

>>24543137
Seconding this. From what you've said your story is in a niche I want to see more of with a fantasy world that has advanced to a point of modernity, but multiple obnoxious posts every thread have made it too associated with a feeling of annoyance.

>>24543296
He'll probably say you filtered yourself, he stuck through with that awful cover after all. I liked it after begrudgingly reading it so maybe its working

>>24543150
I would say that it's competently written in comparision to most of what I've read posted here, but one anon once told me that my sentence construction is poor, so maybe take my word with a grain of salt.
>He then rose from his chair (...)
'Then' seems unnecessary here.
>then bowed to the waist and removed his helmet.
The previous paragraph used 'then', so there's a repetition.
These were two bits that stood out while I was reading, they add a pause in the flow that breaks the motion of the scene.
That's pretty much all I can say about it.

>>24543238
I'd rather have the control of commissioning the cover myself in a style the publisher would be opposed to for marketability reasons. The medium being physical and me keeping the original art are also nonnegotiable. That's something I decided on even before AI became a thing.

>>24543309
>Royal Road is owned and operated by a private company, Not Yet Media Ltd., based in Israel.
Well done on selling away your creative vision to Israel.

No one wants to read freeshit that hasn't been edited more than a Wattpad screed. Kek.

>>24541148
SECOND STEP COMPLETED.

Maybe I’ll be able to finish this chapter today, but first, a shower, a walk outside, and a nice dinner.

>>24543311
rr lets you retain full rights dumbass

>>24543318
unfortunately lots of people do
i wish editing standards were higher too. even lots if not most of the big names slam out the chapter, give it one pass, then post
shameful

Is it common for people to post a chapter on RR just of character images? I'm thinking of doing it, but since I can't draw to save my life, it would all be AI generated. I'd at least keep the style the same and try to get results that don't have 5 fused fingers or any other glaring issues.

I'm mainly concerned with the knee-jerk reactions of people who are so anti-AI that they demonise it regardless of context.

Is this worth doing anyway? I tend to intentionally avoid going too in-depth on character descriptions unless it is important for their introduction as I feel it makes things too bloated. I feel like this is a good way to compensate for that.

Pic related is an example.

>>24543352
What's stopping someone from just copy pasting your novel into a word document and self-publishing it on Amazon? You really aren't going to trawl through Amazon trying to find if someone posted your "novel" in their own name.

>>24543371
Happens regularly and I've seen commenters notifying authors of it. Probably a pain to deal with but probably even less of a serious problem than aggregator sites "stealing" your stuff.

>>24543371
some random dude stealing the work and posting it to amazon isn't "selling away your creative vision to Israel"

>>24543368
I saw two novels that I read do that: Reborn as a Demonic Tree and Bioweapon Rhapsody, don't know about any backlash, so I guess it's fine.
Really, RR is full of AI covers, it would be really strange for someone to draw the line on character concept art.
But if you want to do so, put it on it's own dedicated chapter.
>>24543371
Nothing really, but you can probably contact Amazon to have it removed.
>You really aren't going to trawl through Amazon
Your readers may catch it, or you can leave a message somewhere hidden in the text and hope the scrapper doesn't remove it (just remember to edit it out if yourself publish it).

>>24543371
Also some dude posting it to Amazon barely matters. it's
1. extremely easy and fast to take down
2. not going to get popular without marketing so they aren't stealing eventual readers either
it's a minor annoyance at worst

>>24543368
RR doesn't mind sloppa as long as you point it out.

>>24543379
The Israeli hosting site can't even stop people from copy pasting your work and publishing it. Kek. At least traditional publishers have lawyers that go after piracy.

>>24543386
okay but how is that "selling away your creative vision to Israel" you fucking retard. stop wiggling away with irrelevant statements you cretin

>>24543368
I don't now how others think but when I see an AI cover I immediately tag it as low effort trash. I want high effort trash.

t. reader of 1000s of webslopkinos over the last 10 years

>>24543390
Because you're a sellout who posts shit on an Israeli hosting site.

>>24543396
how is it selling out when they claim no rights to the work
i get you're mindbroken by jews but this is absurd

>>24543400
How many shekels do you get to defend them?

>>24543404
can't explain his position, brings it back to "the jews" again
>i get you're mindbroken by jews but this is absurd

I'm a.
Sloppin man on a
Sloppin road
I'm a
Low born sinner
Making sloppa untold
If you post your tale
Imma
Review review fivefold
Imma
Sloppin man
On a sloppin road

>>24543406
I boycott Israel because I don't support the genocide in Gaza. You post on Royal Road because you're starved for dopamine from seeing the comments and views from bots.

Stop feeding the schizo. He's not going away if you keep '''''''debating'''''' him.

>>24543410
>I boycott Israel because I don't support the genocide in Gaza.
Stunning and brave

>>24543410
still can't explain position, spews random insults and political nonsense
look man if you wanted to make it about Israel Bad you should have started off with something coherent. "selling out to israel" made no sense. do better next time

>>24543411
ive seen him post this israel stuff multiple times so he's a /wng/ regular unfortunately, he's not going away either way. so i decided to finally see what he would say when pressed and it's about what I expected

>>24543413
Sellout. You're not an artist.

>>24543416

>>24542658
>I am unironically going to compile these retards on my own little personal blacklist.
Share it here. I want to avoid these morons too. Not going to hate rate or anything, just don't want to associate with them.

>ctrl+f kek
>dumbass posts
>familiar posting voice
am I turning into the bro schizo if I think this is the same guy who shits up /wg/?

>>24542658
Kek. When will web"novel"shitters learn? Your entire "fan base" consists of bots.

>>24543426
It's alright to Notice sometimes.

>>24543426
i sometimes use kek but haven't in this thread, it's definitely that same guy
he's so autistic he's actually putting it in every post lol

>>24543437
No one is reading your novel. It's all bots. Kek.

>>24543311
>Royal Road is owned and operated by a private company, Not Yet Media Ltd., based in Israel.
should this be a concern or not. are there any downsides to using it

>>24543441
They are trying to influence your writing via their site rules, algorithms and what their bots tell authors to do or not to do to please their "audience". I am sure the Jews are responsible for Casual Farmer not making BoC a harem. Damn them for it.

>>24543440
im pretty sure i've seen this valmond fucker post on 4chan before
is this you? did you screenshot your own forum post?
ima go leave .5s on his stories just in case. i'll make sure to fake proper speed between 'next chapters' and read to like chapter 12 so you can't ticket their removal

>>24543441
Why do you think only the top 1% of authors do their bidding?

>>24543445
based.

>>24543445
>is this you
I don't post slop online.

>>24542866
I do this shamelessly. Don't like it? Keep reading. It's a trap and I'm not sorry and I'll keep doing it. There is payoff, two hundred chapters later, though. Readers WILL get their catharsis in the end.

>>24543371
Personally I'm already self-publishing on Amazon so I assume their own filters will identify if someone is trying to rip me off. If not, the public version is less edited than the paid version, so it's not like it's going to be the same quality without a dozen hours of work.

>>24543441
I autistically read the TOS and privacy policy and no, as far as I can tell they're not selling your data and they acknowledge you retain full rights to your work. Plus other authors have published there and then gone on to publish for reals later and there haven't been any problems.

I did the same for Patreon, too. So RR and Patreon, and surprisingly Amazon self-pub are all fine. Amazon will just take down your self-pub listing if you decide to tradpub later, so there's not multiple versions floating around. Surprisingly reasonable.

>>24543408
The lonely slop man in the long slop road.

>>24543473
Most self published people never get famous though.

>>24543444
More easily attributed to his faggy audience kvetching even when Bi De had a threesome. The idiocy of "toxic male-dominated polycule" is burned into my brain forever.

>>24543484
I only need 2k/month to cover rent, utilities, and food. I don't really care about fame. Eventually I'll have so much slop up for sale I'll eek out a living. Watch me.

>>24543484
do most trad published authors?

>>24543484
Guess that means no one should even try

>>24543484
Wait you guys are doing this to get famous? I thought we were all in it for the love of the game.

>>24543486
I know, I was mostly joking about the site/Jews being responsible. Mostly.

>>24543444
i think, in hindsight, the mc of BoC being Canadian in his past life is hilarious, since there’s little to no difference between him and other traditional transmigrators save behaciorwise

>>24543473
Same I read while waiting my fiction be approved, and I never heard of someone having trouble with RR, though there's this bit that concerns me a little:
>These Terms shall be governed and construed by the laws of Israel, without respect to its conflict of laws principles. You agree to submit to the personal and exclusive jurisdiction of the courts located in Tel Aviv-Jaffa, Israel, and waive any jurisdictional, venue, or inconvenient forum objections to such courts.
I'm not versed in legalese, but this sounds like if for some reason an Israeli court wants to prosecute me, not even my own country laws can protect me (though, I don't think that would hold up in my country).
But I guess you have to really piss off someone in the judiciary system for it to happen, it scares me a little nonetheless.

>>24543495
idk why people keep making the strawman that if you care at all about getting readers then you don't care at all about writing why you like
i want to write something i like AND something that gets readers. there are plenty of ideas in my head that meet both requirements. maybe you only want to write about 1 thing or 1 tiny subset of things which desu i can't relate to

>>24543495
I'm doing it to write in a particular tradition of horror fiction. It's not for fame nor money. But for the writers I respect.
>>24543490
Percentage wise, most (if not all) famous authors had a contract with a traditional publisher.
>>24543489
Why would you write for money?
>>24543491
You should learn patience and get an agent.

>>24543503
There's a pretty large gap between "having readers" and "being famous".

>>24543495
I'm in it for money.
I'm secretly set for a comfy NEET life from investments but I'm hiding that wealth from family because I'm not giving them handouts; I'm planning to launder my real wealth through my writing "career" to appear as comfortably poor while unemployed.

>>24543514
not a single litrpg or rr author is famous by any conventional means....
so what line are you talking about then?
i generalized to 'having readers'

>>24543495
A bunch here do it for the money, and maybe some come from /wg/ as a way to escape trad pub.
Me? I just like web slop.

Why does this faggot who outright admits to not writing or reading web novel slop keep coming to this thread?

>>24543495
>intrinsic motivation
*slithers out of the grass* don't you want successss? don't you want to be famoussss? check your analyticssss. chase trendssss. vie for attention. copy people you know are beneath you

>>24543502
>but this sounds like if for some reason an Israeli court wants to prosecute me
Other way around: if you want to sue RR, you have to do it in Israeli court. But the copyright courts that matter are the US/West in general, so they can't really damage you by stealing your work and selling it in Israel very much. Of course, good fucking luck prevailing with your case in Israeli court, but generally things have been okay.

>>24543515
You forgot to brag about your 8" cock with above average girth, and that you are 6'2" with blonde hair and an IQ of 150.

>>24543531
the people here who do care about analytics and readers and marketing ALSO are writing what they enjoy. the strawmanning is exhausting

>>24543502
Kek. Good goy.

>>24543539
people admit to being whores all the time
not only that but there's a new tourist almost everyday asking if webnovels are really an infinite money hack they can exploit
there's both kinds

>>24543534
Oh, thanks, that's really reassuring, I don't have the money or willingess to go to court, so good to know I won't have trouble with it.

>>24543515
So you're NOT gonna act like you know nobody?

>>24543545
>not only that but there's a new tourist almost everyday asking if webnovels are really an infinite money hack they can exploit
i genuinely believe that's the thread troll in 90% of cases. it's always phrased in the most obviously inflammatory way
>people admit to being whores all the time
i think cases like >>24543515 are still writing something they enjoy, there seems to be an insinuation made by posters like >>24543531 that the ONLY motivation is readers and stats

well, i won't speak for anyone else, but i like slop and read slop but i do pay a lot of attention to marketing and trends and how to actually succeed. as a self published author, you need to wear multiple hats. refusing to learn marketing and such out of moral indignation is just accepting death by obscurity, and it's why i left /wg/ as soon as this thread became a thing. but it seems the mentality followed over which is disappointing

>>24543546
Generally you can ignore if someone wants to sue you in a foreign country, especially if you're an American. America doesn't extradite its citizens for lawsuits in other countries except in big deal cases, and if you don't own property in other countries, there's nothing a foreign court can really do to enforce a ruling against you.

For example, if I (an American, in America) wrote a story mocking the German Chancellor (illegal in Germany), they can file charges and find me guilty in absentia, but good luck enforcing that, and America won't extradite me because it's a first amendment right here. Now, if I go to Germany, or to eg Austria and they arrest me and take me to trial there, they might imprison me but the US doesn't like citizens being held in foreign jails: the state department will step in and just revoke my passport so I stay out of trouble abroad. More typically, those countries won't even hold a trial, they'll just deny entry to people who write stuff they don't like (like a decade ago when alt-right """leaders""" were barred entry to the UK, Australia, etc).

>>24543473
thank you for the informed answer>>24543502
>>These Terms shall be governed and construed by the laws of Israel, without respect to its conflict of laws principles. You agree to submit to the personal and exclusive jurisdiction of the courts located in Tel Aviv-Jaffa, Israel, and waive any jurisdictional, venue, or inconvenient forum objections to such courts.
>I'm not versed in legalese, but this sounds like if for some reason an Israeli court wants to prosecute me, not even my own country laws can protect me (though, I don't think that would hold up in my country).
i don't think forum selection clauses like this included in boilerplate are necessarily enforceable

>>24543535
That should go without saying. I mean, clearly you figured it out.

>>24543556
>i think cases like >>24543515 are still writing something they enjoy
I am by far my own biggest fan. I love my own writing and stories. Multiple times a simple editing pass has turned into re-reading the manuscript start to finish just because I like the story. I can't wait to finish my first and move onto my next story, it's going to be even better.

>>24543515
I hope I don't miss your stories in the flood of wageslop.

>>24543556
nigga you're doing the thing you're declaring
>but it seems the mentality followed over which is disappointing
there's no boogeyman either way. there's no overwhelming party of people who think opposite of you oppressing you. of course there are people in the middle, it's just the extremes of either side are annoying as fuck and are rightfully mocked
I find the #girlboss grindset posters way more repulsive than the auteurs and autists quietly dumping their chapters into the aether, so I personally shit on one and not the other

>>24543528
I want you to do better and read a literary classic.

>>24543561
>>24543563
Thanks, never thought I would get answers like these in a web slop general. Truly appreciated.

>>24543565
You probably will. I refuse to associate my work with 4chan so I don't shill it here, and my ads don't seem to be doing very well. Maybe my next story will hit main RS but for now I'm just picking up a few followers a day.

>>24543568
Muri, we all slop down here.

>>24543568
I read The King of Elfland's Daughter the other day. It was pretty good. Does that count as a literary classic?

>>24543566
>nigga you're doing the thing you're declaring
what thing i'm declaring? I'm trying not to make assumptions and you don't communicate clearly at all
>there's no boogeyman
i didn't say there was? I'm addressing a general mentality & how often people like you jump to strawmanning
>#girlboss grindset
idk man if you want to succeed as a self published author you can't just say fuck it and do whatever you want. you're already struggling against insurmountable odds, if you throw in disregard toward marketing + strategy then you'd have to be a 1 in a million to find even moderate success

Okay I'll simplify because I want to understand your view point
Both of these things are true for me
>I really enjoy what I write
>I want readers so I pay attention to how the market works
What is repulsive about this mindset to you?

>>24543572
That's most upsetting.

>>24543563
The defendant would just move to dismiss and it'd be up to the judge depending on the circumstances of the case.

>>24543571
No prob, they don't teach us how the legal system really works on purpose to control us. My last legal shilling: never ever ever talk to cops, ever! The only thing you should say to them is "I want to talk to my attorney and until then I'm exercising my right to remain silent."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

>>24543568
>I want you to do better and read a literary classic.
Sure, if I ever feel like subjecting myself to torture I will read something you'd enjoy.

>>24543577
there's a distinction between valuing marketing and only valuing marketing
I agree (and agreed) that there's a middle ground and that there's nothing wrong with the people in the middle ground
I'm pointing out that you're making the conflation that you claim to tire of, which is reducing the culture and people in it until you only see a strawman that you don't like

>>24543410
>Hates Jews because the magic talking box tells him to
>Not hating Jews for being the enemy of mankind for millennia
Low tier antisemite and a low tier writer.

>>24543583
>My last legal shilling: never ever ever talk to cops, ever!
That one I know, but seeing people getting arrested it impresses me how they usually talk back to officers, even when they are literally telling them that they have the right to remain silent when reading their Miranda rights, tells me that most probably don't know that.
What I know is to really never do anything involving the legal system without a latim speaking mage nearby.

>>24543586
>there's a distinction between valuing marketing and only valuing marketing
I addressed that here >>24543539
and with
>i think cases like >>24543515 are still writing something they enjoy, there seems to be an insinuation made by posters like >>24543531 that the ONLY motivation is readers and stats

He even came out and agreed in >>24543564

Posts like >>24542110 are OBVIOUSLY trolls, please don't tell me you think they're real. Where are the actual conversations/effort posts showcasing a mindset like what you claim to despise?

There are no #grindset bros in this thread. And that's why I'm saying it's annoying when you (and others) keep raging about it. They don't fucking exist and when you assume me and that other guy are one of them, you start strawmanning and stirring up shit for no reason

>>24543575
definitely. anyone who thinks otherwise has no clue
dunsany is great and in a better timeline, Elfland would have handed down the fairytale tradition the same way Lord of the Rings handed down the mythos tradition

>>24543594
>make a silly shitpost
>get debate lord demanding receipts of all market strategy related posts to scrutinize whether or not a supposed personality might or might not exist
bro chill the fuck out
nobody is raging about it. I made one silly post mocking one idiot
do you go on tirades at posts like >>24542110 which you admit is a shitpost? do you see anyone raging at genuine marketing discussion? do you see any replies to them at all other than the usual "buy an ad, upload regularly, daily posts during your first month"?
>They don't fucking exist
okay, then >>24543556
>refusing to learn marketing and such out of moral indignation
such a person doesn't exist
this is a pointless argument. it's not a sharing of opinions. it's based on subjective impressions of culture

>>24543395
This.
I would rather see poorly drawn stickfigure than AI slop.
But I would recommend doing something like that provides 80% of benefits with 20% effort.
So, for me, would be making a minimalist silhouette of a scene, which doesn't show much, but kinda foreshadows events.

>>24543650
I understand feeling emasculated by artists and taking the path of least resistance with AI, but it's so easy to photobash or edit a doodle into something decent in photoshop
hell, if you have a job or made the lofty dream of barely minimum wage off patreon, you can pay some /gd/ poster 30 bucks to make you a nice cover

>>24543589
I'm award winning and a research scholar.

>>24543682
I believe you.

>>24543539
There's this cringy thing about amateur artists of all kinds that it must be for the aaaarrrts, you can't make a living on what you love waaaeeeh. They're the fags that never make it.

>>24543694
Write for your bot piggies, gong farmer.

>He's back

>>24543705
He's been having a schizo melty for hours.

>>24543673
Say what you want about the artistic quality of this cover, but at least it is memorable.
Same can't be said for AI slop

>>24543743
there's a thin line between an amateur looking cover that would catch my interest and one that'd turn me off
this one cracked me up but there's something more to it
It's probably the SOUL factor

>>24543734
Rent free.

Quality over quantity. Wordsmithery will be remembered. Gong farmery shall not.

I vote we make gong farmers the next OP.

>>24543812
What do they write?

>>24543812
It's your place, after all.

>>24543805
>he's attached to a new buzzword to signal his presence
y'know if you want attention you could skip the middleman and just get a trip

>>24543814
Israeli web novel slop on par with Brandon Sanderson except unedited and filled with numbers.

>>24543814
Wrote a shitty short story, trying to write a litRPG about a jeweller, not the schizo btw, I just find his insults so bad that they are funny.

>>24543819
I fuck with short stories
if you want, I'll read it

>>24543819
Oh, fuck, understood that as
>What do you write
Guess I'm really a gong farmer, aren't I?
>>24543824
Are you the space mecha anon? A fellow SS chad?
Anyway, here, I wrote it on a whim for /sffg/:
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119135/transmigrated-as-a-mech-i-now-fight-kaiju

>>24543831
>about a jeweller
>mecha jumpscare
what the

>>24543842
The jeweller is my next project, the mecha was written because one anon wished for more kaiju stuff and I had the idea in the backburner.

i need to give my cover a better font

>>24543816
Silence, gong farming swineherd. No one needs to hear your tizzies.
>>24543848
You need to get a traditional publisher.

>>24543852
Why are you so obsessed with gong farmers? gong-bro

Another chapter dropped. Next one is going to be the big betrayal that sets up the final act. I estimate I won’t need more than nine chapters to complete the story. Maybe 35k more words to put me at a totally of about 325 pages. At a thousand words a day I can fucking taste the finish line

>>24543852
ok let me just go to the traditional publisher store and pick one out. Do you have any suggestions?

I...won...

>>24543884
Tag your stuff twin

>>24543884
I think a "page" in Royal Road (and kindle for that matter) is 250 words, so 325 pages is 81,250 words in total.

>>24543930
275 fyi

>>24543932
Ah, ok. Thanks.

>>24543902
Can't, I already have anons here reviewing my stuff. Can't let them know the plot twist is coming

The difference between a real writer and a gong farmer is style and themes.

>>24543891
Get an agent. Look up an author you like and see who their agent is. That's a quick way to find who to send to.

>>24544005
I'd rather just post my slop on royalroad where people like slop and I don't have to deal with the jewish publishing industry

>>24543589
Based. You're correct, that is some r*ddit tier antisemitism. Look at this crying brown palestinian kid type antisemitism. I'm more of a wooden doors, electric chair rollercoaster, 109 countries, critical theory, rothschild type myself.

>>24543112
What sweat shops?

>>24544051
AI (Actually Indians)

>>24543445
I don't think that's Valmond, but valmond is someone I know from scribblehub, I'm gonna tell you right now anon to fuck off. Stop muddying the fucking waters with review bombs!

>>24544071
a good friend

>>24544033
Royal Road is literally an Israeli website. KEK!

>Welcome to the Royal Road platform, which is owned and operated by Not Yet Media Ltd., a private company incorporated in Israel, company no. 516138310 (“Royal Road”, “we”, “us” or “our”), with registered place of business at 6094/7, Nazareth, Israel.

webnovels?

I'm just going to mirror your web novels on another site and send DOS attacks to your socials or personal websites

>>24544193
Anon is out of his meds and want to talk about jews, please understand

>>24544213
From the river to the sea

>>24544309
Let's see how fast the detractors, derail the new thread.

>>24544005
>agent
doesn't that cost more money than I'd save by getting the free cover?

>>24542484
>Doesn't name any
i don't believe you

>>24544605
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/my-little-grand-duchess/

There were also https://requiemtls.com/series/ts-i-was-possessed-by-a-beautiful-girl-and-hypnotized/ and https://requiemtls.com/category/the-princess-in-the-ruins-eats-the-evil-woman/ but they got removed and I can't find the originals. Korean antipiracy measures are really cruel...

>>24544605
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/my-little-grand-duchess/
https://www.novelupdates.com/series/the-societys-pet-daughter/

There were also https://requiemtls.com/series/ts-i-was-possessed-by-a-beautiful-girl-and-hypnotized/ and https://requiemtls.com/category/the-princess-in-the-ruins-eats-the-evil-woman/ but they got removed and I can't find the originals. Korean antipiracy measures are really cruel...

>>24544667
>https://www.novelupdates.com/series/the-societys-pet-daughter/
Damn, this one has all the TL links 404'd too. Koreans really don't fuck around. Don't see them posted on mobilism either, though some big chinese webnovels are there.

Thanks for the reply anon.