the tattered prince edition

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old: >>24512890

Corn?

Wonder how much they're paying to keep this general alive

Someone posted this last thread and I'm kind of obsessed with it. I'm almost fully convinced Ned is Jons father.
But /grrm/...
Who's the mother..

here is exactly 0 (zero) evidence that Maegor was actually as bad as the stories make him out to be. The Hightowers are the jews of Westeros and Maegor dismissed his barren bitch Hightower wife which made Lord Hightower seethe and cope so hard he got the maesters to smear Maegor, the citadel kikes hated Maegor because he stood up to them, Aenys was their obvious choice to back because he was a beta bitch with a shit constitution (and a bastard) so if anything the biggest mistake Maegor made was not burning Oldtown to the ground.

>>24539939
If his mom is Lyanna then obviously Jon could look like a Stark and like Ned, since he'd be his nephew.

>>24539939
Wouldn’t be surprised if Jon actually looks like Rhaegar, the brown hair and natural confirmation bias just make everyone see the Stark features

Is Stannis autistic?

post your favorite asoiaf art.

>>24539936
We're paid in prolonged bookless suffering

>>24537218
The most powerful magic-users were probably dragonlords, or the blood mages who bred dragons, etc.

>>24537248
The lore of Elden Ring implies that no man was smart enough to see the moon, lol.

>>24540280
Yes and the Mad King had ADHD, Cersei has BPD and Jon has depression

>>24540376
>The lore of Elden Ring implies that no man was smart enough to see the moon
No it doesn’t.

>>24540376
>>24540470
to tie back to this briefly, Radahn, a man, was such a powerful magic user that even in a mindless, scarlet rotted zombie state, was still able to hold the entire sky so that those star monsters can't come down, MEANWHILE fighting off wave after wave of challengers trying to kill him.
Rennala ain't shit compared to that.
and let's also not forget the two MALE glintstone masters who literally turned into semi-living crystals because they were so in tune with that type of magic.

Lannisters are the best house and you're either brown or a liberal if you disagree.

>>24539900 (OP)
Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR

>>24540325

>>24540481
Nah fuck Lannisters
Luv me Starks
Luv me Baratheons
Simple as

>>24540509
Baratheons are Valyrian

>>24540325

>>24539936
You’re obsessed and paranoid. In short, you’re a dumb schizo.

>>24540280
>Is Stannis autistic?
No, but you might be. Definitely on high spectrum, you are.

>>24540481
>House is started by theft
>Worships gold
You cannot be more wrong

>>24540533
More Stormlander than Valyrian, you ignorant fuck.

>>24540503
Beat depiction of Asshai yet, although I’m still a bit convinced that Geoege doesn’t know what kind of architecture it has.

>>24540477
No man has seen the moon / reached 70 Intelligence

This is canon lore

>>24540558
Real shame about the Stormlands

>>24540533
More Stormlander than Valyrian, you ignorant fuck.

>>24540602
Explain why the fuck.

Some dumb retard want vampires in asoiaf for some dumb shitty reasons…

>>24540621
Went from being ruled by storm giants to storm kings to Targ bastards

how could she be so utterly bereft of loyalty to her family?

>>24540624
What kind of vampire? We already have one. That lady of Harrenhal. People drinking blood was more so a rumour than a legitimate creature.

>>24540669
We don’t have vampires in asoiaf, you silly mushroom. Thank god for that.

>>24540632
Read the original outline for the series. Sansa was intended to fully join the Lannisters and betray her family. The unfortunate truth about ASOIAF is that most of what's in the first book can kind of be discarded. He had a 3 book intent at that point, and the story is damaged by that.

>>24531718
>>The three men were erect. The sight of their arousal was arousing..... - A Dance with Dragons - Daenerys III
>why is she like this?
ngl, i admire their ability to perform gymnastic feats and keep their erection.

>>24540632
She was a woman.

>>24539975
Aegon IV wasn't even that unworthy.
He was beloved by the realm and his legacy was only tarnished by his childrens' bickering.

>>24539939
although i hate Preston, he makes a solid point about Brandon being Jon's father with Ashara.
her being a Dornish strong independent woman lusting for alpha cock instead of a meek Ned who had his big bro talk to her to dance with him.
there is no reason not to think that Ned and Brandon didn't look similar.

>>24540814
I really like R+L=D and sad that the show killed all discussion and speculation.

N/B+A=J is way more interesting, even moreso if there was a secret wedding in front of a heart tree that makes Jon actually have a stronger claim to Winterfell than all of the other Stark kids and Ned covered it up to protect the Tully alliance

>>24540805
He was unworthy because he was of the line of the usurper (Jaehaerys)

>>24540757
Is it a literal bat changing vampire? No. Is it someone who probably bathes in blood? Yes.

Danelle Lothston is just a reference to Elizabeth Batlord

>>24540984
:/

>>24541092
Yeah and she was certainly “vampyric”.

Even witches were called vampires since they stole babies to suck the life out of them.

Anders Yronwood

>>24540841
Because it unironically doesn’t really add much to the story or Jon’s character arc. Especially when you look at it in the context of the story.

>>24539939
I don't know, you can just as easily interpret this as him being more likely to be Lyanna or Brandon's son since both of them are way more North-coded than Ned or you could take it as a Red Herring meant to distract you from what the other half of his heritage is.
>>24540139
That's a good point, especially when you factor in how often a point gets made about Jon's eye's being so grey.
Also as an aside this literally happens to me all the time. Anyone who knows me through my mam says I look just like her until they see my dad (who I have a much stronger resemblance to) and anyone who knows my dad would never think to compare me to my mam.

>>24540841
>N/B+A=J is way more interesting, even moreso if there was a secret wedding in front of a heart tree that makes Jon actually have a stronger claim to Winterfell than all of the other Stark kids and Ned covered it up to protect the Tully alliance
That would be pretty kino and ties in with the theming of the Daynes being the quintessential "fantasy knight and princess" style house and how that kind of fairy-tale doesn't survive contact with reality in Westeros, but Rhaegar and Lyanna doing the same thing hits a lot of the same narrative points and I feel Jon being a hidden prince and not a bastard is more significant to the story than him simply being the true Stark heir. Although I'm sure you could find as much Dayne imagery in Jon's storyline as there is Targaryen so maybe we'll see him inherit Dawn and usher in the Morning ™ after the Long Night.

grim

I'm convinced GRRM is releasing TWOW and ADOS at the same exact time.

>>24542428
By Allah, one can only hope and pray.

is there anyone on earth that thinks this is mature and well-written?

>>24542701
coomers probably.
i remember that one anon saying a while back that people don't like gurm's erotic scenes because they are mad the fat man can turn them on.
i ask people who think this, when you read picrel above do you actually get turned on? it reads so silly, i can't even imagine finding this hot

>>24542701

>>24542701
You’re a retarded 4channer who suffers some kind of autism I think.

>>24542701
>mature
Theon is clearly meant to be immature, so of course not.

>>24542154
Ever since I finished adwd I've graduated high school, graduated university, got my first permanent job, dating someone and lost my virginity

>AIIIIIIIIIIE IS THAT A 15 YEAR OLD BOY BEING FLIRTING AWKWARDLY????????? I'M GOING INSANE SAVE ME BRANDON SANDERSON

>>24542946
theon is 19 at the start, probably 20+ when he reunites with his family

>>24542701
That scene is actually masterful in that it is inherently cringy, and once Asha humiliates Theon the text itself helps us remember the scene as pure cringe, just as Theon now does. Unironic kino.

is there any version of house of the dragon with white valeryons? ai or some edit? I want to watch this but black ppl give me ick

>>24543019
>your sister humiliates you by grabbing your dick several times
Ok??

ngl, i miss getting hard while randomly walking in the street and when seeing hot women.
being fat sucks. never get fat, anons.

>>24543735
What's his tax policy?

>>24540575
Except those two crystal buddhas mog everyone else

>>24544660
Losing both of his children to targ fuckery, then claiming three of the whitest kids you know to be his grandsons, backing them into financial ruins, ending the relevance of your house for the next 150 years.

Dance turned 14 years old today. But instead of "Happy birthday, Dance" it's "Where's Winds?"

>>24543735
>hide post

>>24545180

arianne or margaery who is more likely to survive winds?

>>24540481
Lannisters peaked at Tywin and fell off hard when he died

if digits winds december 21st

>>24545381
if digits winds late 2026 and george tweets out "it is finished" on easter and people don't know if he's converted to christianity or if he's talking about winds until info starts coming out.

>>24545381
If digits, GRRM dies and they let Andrzej Sapkowski ghostwrite the last 2 books

digits and Paris' cancer fully regresses as George enters a Faustian bargain to save his wife if he can release Winds in 2026 and Dream in 2028. If he misses either deadline, her cancer returns in an advanced stage.

digits and we are released from our suffering

>>24545412
Red Rising general is already up and Red God will be out in 2026.

it's not too late to join the winning (and finished) side

>>24545426
red what? never heard of it

last two digits is winds release year

>>24545442
replacement for Sanderson spam since he shat the bed hard with Stormkight book 5

>can't even get digits on a slow ass board
baka

>>24545478
nice try
>>24545426
goodman

If digits Winds never releases not even post mortem manuscripts and George and his works are forgotten.

Ok maybe not the last part but it never relases.

Lord of Light, defend us.
For the night is dark and full of terrors.
Lord of Light, protect us.
R'hllor, come to us in our darkness.
We thank you for this thread.
Take these digits and breathe your fire into georges ass so that he may release winds within this year or the next.
Light your flame within our hearts.
For the night is dark and full of unfinished series.

>>24545575
if digits, meth addicted men dressed like clowns will come to your house at 3:07 in the morning next Tuesday and hang you from the ceiling by your testicles while a hot woman laughs and films it all for blackmail purposes.

How many of you are over the age of forty

>>24545619
desu I only got into this series recently cuz I thought that since the series is so old that by the time I finished with all 5 books the last one might come out when I got all caught up.
Im 22.

>>24545575
>not even post mortem manuscripts and George and his works are forgotten
for the sake of making money, this will never happen
George dying will probably bump up the sales on the last 2 books, we've just gotta wait out his death

im hoping that the AI tools get powerful enough that you can just feed it book chapters and it will animate it for you with accurate characters and everything like that.
modern Hollywood in its current state are gay quota filling whores who butcher anything it touches. I hope the series gets rebooted by competent people one day and not by HBO or at least not by modern HBO

>>24545625
>Im 22
suddenly a lot makes sense about these threads

>>24545625
le summer child and shit

>>24545640
>these threads
You act like the average age of 4chan isn't 19. It's very obvious whenever you're interacting with a kid on here.

>>24540481
>if you don't love the kvetching money grubbers you're brown
Kek, fuck off goldbergstein

let's have some fun.

https://tiermaker.com/create/asoiaf---all-characters-1107848

>>24545619
>How many of you are over the age of forty

57 year old here.

>>24545319
>arianne or margaery who is more likely to survive winds?

Arianne. Margaery will end up marrying fAegon and die in Kingslanding when Daenerys nukes it with dragonfire and all that wildfire detonates.

>>24542701
>is there anyone on earth that thinks this is mature and well-written?
Can millennials stop this ironically childish obsession with "maturity"? Yes, people get vulgar and raunchy when they're attracted to each other and want to have sex.

Honestly feels a bit insulting that George didn’t even acknowledge the 14th anniversary of Dance’s publication.

>>24540280

Wow. Now I think I might be autistic. I was never able to fit in and always had strong sense of justice

>>24546533
why are East European women so fucking hot?

>>24546677
hopefully it's because he's so busy with writing the books and not because....he's abandoned the series.......

>>24546727

She always had Hollywood tier looks. Wasted her best years

>>24546649
Are you retarded? The point wasn't that vulgarity or raunchiness is inherently immature. The point is that the whole exchange is hyper-cringe and looks like it was written by a 14 yo.

bros, I need new fantasy book. recommend me something, only kino like asoiaf.

>>24546596
>posted that ugly bitch again
still too ugly to be Arianne

>>24545640
Like what?
Why?

who is the most pozzed asoiaf youtuber that you watch?

>>24546998
Sonic goes to the real world dude

>>24546998
Witcher has fine politicking like asoiaf, fantastic combat scenes, sex, etc. It's fun.

Despite the flaws and shortcomings of ASOIAF, in the end it's a kino serie and i love it with my whole heart.

ASOIAF is my favorite book serie.

>>24546959
Are YOU retarded? You missed my point. Just admit, adult words and sex makes you cry. You're painfully puritanical. You're better off reading a Bible.

>>24542701

It's immature, just like Theon

>>24547526
I directly addressed your point you stupid piece of shit.

Has there been a single piece of positive news about winds of winter this year?

You think Daniel Abraham already wrote the next 2 books?

>>24548160
The closest thing we'll get to GRRM releasing the winds of winter will be his farts after he eats his christmas dinner

>>24548186
>>24546998

Since he's Gurm's protege, can anyone recommend The Long Price Quartet? I've heard good things about it but haven't touched it myself so idk how it compares to asoiaf

>>24547515
I hate George but I love asoiaf and I see no issue in having that stance. I don't think he will ever finish the books and I'm fine with that. If he releases the books, great! If he doesn't, life goes on. I will never know what happened to Balerion when he flew to Old Valyria but I'll never know a lot of things so it's whatever really.

>>24546998
Sword of Shadows, J. V. Jones

>>24549114
>an unfinished series to replace the unfinished series
pottery

>>24546596
>he thinks connington will allow the 'son' of his beloved rhaegar to marry the sloppy seconds of baratheons and lannisters

So what's actually the heart of winter? An ancient frozen weirwood tree with a greenseer bound to it?

In the words of Brandon Stark, “GRRM, come out and die”.
(Not endorsing violence).

>>24540632
>the girl was wet with love
I need to add this

>>24549203
>what is [thing referenced only once in the series in a Bran schizo-vision in the first book]?
Um…

>>24540325

I pray to the gods that the night’s king isn’t a real character. We don’t need a Marvel tier capeshit villain like that. What the fuck were they thinking with him. He looked so stupid.

>>24549377
>night’s king
Based retard

>>24549377
https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/12392
>As for the Night's King (the form I prefer), in the books he is a legendary figure, akin to Lann the Clever and Brandon the Builder, and no more likely to have survived to the present day than they have.
Even if there was a new Night's King in the books it would be a human (like Jon or Stannis declaring themselves king of the Night's Watch and Wildlings, or Euron embracing the Others), not an Other.

>>24549453
Go fuck yourself
>>24549505
Good, good…

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/UsefulNotes/TheProphetMuhammad

>asoiaftube is now going off on "gurm finished Winds in 2016"

I thought this was a thing where some random guy claimed he had tried to speedwrite Winds and it was full of plotholes and continuity errors that he scrapped the whole thing. But why is it coming up again now?

/lit/ bros, what's your favorite fantasy book (besides asoiaf)

>>24549151
This, and Peake hates the Tyrells

>>24549924
fuck off

>>24546533

Easy

>>24549377
>I pray to the gods that the night’s king isn’t a real character.

There will have to be a single Final Boss who is one-shotted by a Good Guy with all the other Others and their zombies collapsing to dust, just as happened in the shitty tv show.

The Others and their zombies are simply too powerful and numerous to be defeated any other way.

>>24549151
>connington will allow

He's already lost control of fAegon.

The Long Night will obviously be resolved with another pact.

>Ser Patrek smiled. "Tell me, Lord Commander, should the Others turn up, do you plan to offer hospitality to them as well?"

>>24546596
Dorne will marry the Dragon
It is known

>>24550959
Terrible list
Consider reading the books

>>24551083
Considering Bronze Age men were able to fight The Others to a standstill I doubt there will be such a thing.

>>24551071
>THE OTHERS ARE TOO STRONG!
>>24551561
>NO THE OTHERS ARE TOO WEAK!

>>24551253
LOL

>>24548374
>Since he's Gurm's protege, can anyone recommend The Long Price Quartet? I've heard good things about it but haven't touched it myself so idk how it compares to asoiaf
I've only read the first book so far. It was bretty good, but not at all similar to ASOIAF. Pretty slow and melancholic, and apparently there is a 15-year timeskip after every book.

Valyria vs Numenor

What happens?

>>24551793
Dragons burn Numenor to the ground.

>>24551253
Fuck that. Robert would show the list proudly. He even would add his name in the brothels he missed out.

>>24549890
>I thought this was a thing where some random guy claimed he had tried to speedwrite Winds and it was full of plotholes and continuity errors that he scrapped the whole thing.
Bryndenbfish said something like that once based on some partial insider knowledge. Iirc one of the big GRRM experts (werthead or zionius or feldman) corrected the record and said that it's more likely that he had just hit a good spot in 2015 and thought he could finish in 2016 if he kept it up, but instead he got mired in all the rewrites and editing that he had been putting off until then.

>>24539975
King Maegor’s only crime was stripping based and seven-pilled House Osgrey of their principle castle seat, Coldmoat. His only crime I tell you!

That Daemon Blackfyre fella… now there’s a king an Andal could get behind

>series unfinished
>show spilled spaghetti
>prequel show went to shit thanks to smooth brained activists who detest the source material
why did i have to fall in love with this series

>>24553278
You loved too hard, dared too much. You tried to grasp a star, overreached, and fell

>>24539900 (OP)
Is Game of Thrones worth reading or is Winds of Winter basically never going to happen?

>>24553278
Because we rarely love things that are good for us. When you basically got forced to marry the girl down the street, like your great granddad did, you might have thought that was a curse...

>>24553311
it is worth reading even though winds never is going to happen

>>24553311
yes to both questions

>>24553311
>>24553311
>or is Winds of Winter basically never going to happen?
it will happen when he dies

I wish I had a copy of TWOW & ADOS right and being the only person to read it from cover to cover while spoiling everything here for you people.

>>24550959
>good bois and gorls
>muh heckin doggos, muh heckin sweet pupperinos, they're all good bois and gorls
i wish i could use the internet in peace without being raped by reddit-speak at every turn

>>24553373
You’ve have won the internet for today!

>>24546998
Have you read Elric of Melnibone? It doesn't have the fun dialogue of Martin but it feels like you're reading about ancient Valyria.

>>24553371
my dad works for them and gave me the only copies of winds and dream in existence

>>24553371
if you were smart you would make a youtube channel to peddle your "theories".

>>24553407
>if you were smart
I’m above average.

>>24553419
me too. or so i think. haven't been tested. afraid it'll be like 105 or something

>>24551793
Numenors burn Dragon to the ground.

>>24553252
Based Ser Useless

Can you imagine a good ending to this series that George can actually write?
Assume he does so instead of writing another cash grab spinoff.

>>24549377
he is calling you a retard because night’s king is used in the books while night king is used in the show.

>>24549844
>Freedom of Speech Issues: Most of the Western world have enshrined laws that say anyone can be joked about, and anyone can be criticized, and the concept of "blasphemy" as a criminal charge no longer applies. In parts of the Muslim world, blasphemy is very real, and very punishable.
lmao
do people still believe they have freedom of speech?

>>24551253
>is the list worth handing the small council to Highgarden?

>>24553577
If he sticks his landing, he will die a legend. if he doesn't, or he doesn't finish, then he dies a joke.

>>24553311
no

>>24553626
I don't like him or his story, but is it wrong to root for him? One victory in a life full of nihilism is surely worth clapping.

>>24553636
We're all rooting for him, anon.

>>24553646
Even if it's merely out of hope for his success, rather than any care for him?

>>24553465
We can’t be all geniuses, can we?

>>24553652
I think it would be a terrible shame if he didn't finish it himself and had to have someone else do it after he died.

>>24553704
Or to put it another way...'tis a sad thing his adventures have ended here!
https://youtu.be/Yyr00Ab9sqU?list=RDYyr00Ab9sqU

sansa dies in twow

>>24553718
Good. I hate her.
She should have stood and loudly proclaimed her father's innocence and accepted the rope for both of them in the first book.

>>24553721
At least book Sansa is ten times better than Shansha.

Which asoiaf girl has the largest derrière?

>>24553718
imagine Elio is itt just dropping spoilers for the book because he actually no longer gives a fuck

>>24553806
no one will ever believe you

You’re all such enormous fags it blows my mind

>>24551586
>>24551561
>Considering Bronze Age men were able to fight The Others to a standstill

The evidence points to Bronze Age men getting curbstomped by the Others until magic somehow defeated them.

>>24553252

>>24553718
>sansa dies in twow

I've been saying all along that Sansa will turn to the dark side, murdering Sweetrobin Arryn, being complicit in her husband Harrold Hardyng's "accidental" death, marrying Littlefinger, fighting against her brother Rickon for control of the North and in the end, being exposed for her crimes and paying the ultimate price (while Littlefinger fucks off to Braavos or wherever).

>>24553252
>>24553507

Westeros was more technologically advanced in the distant past. Nobody currently alive can build something like the wall.

At the end of Dream of Spring, Stannis Euron and Darkstar have a 1 v 1 v 1 epic sword fight
Stannis my goat wins and becomes king of westeros.

>>24554086
She's 13 years old, I'm not seeing her do any of that. She's basically a camera for Littlefinger's plots rather than a character with any real agency.

>>24554086
>Littlefinger's arc ends with him being exiled to Bravos as a sellsword like how his grandfather started
Like pottery.

>>24554303
>I dreamt of a maid at a feast with purple serpents in her hair, venom dripping from their fangs. And later I dreamt that maid again, slaying a savage giant in a castle built of snow."
Sansa will either kill Littlefinger (because the sigil of his house depicted the titan of braavos) or Sweetrobin (he calls himself a giant at one point).

>>24553718
inshallah

>>24554086
Nah, she's definitely going to manipulate Littlefinger and cause him to slip up and lead to his death.

I dont mind Sansa. She's becoming/has become less retarded in the books and its neat seeing whatever big plan littlefinger has unfold. She hasn't become a gay whiny nihilist and still belives that true knights exist. She tells Robin not to be a manwhore and instills good morals in the best future king of the vale. I can only hope that Sansa keeps it up and becomes shrewd while not becoming an evil bitch.

do people prefer a united westeros or 7 individual kingdoms?

>>24554557
i feel like unless you have the dragons or some other means to cement control over the whole continent then the individual kingdoms becomes inevitable.

>>24554557
United Westeros was unironically better under Targ rule, Aegon did nothing wrong.

>>24554571
Without the dragons the targ rule is just as lame and status quo as any other monarch. That was the problem that the Egg Aegon was dealing with. Has a bunch of ideas for reforms or whatever but without the dragons he doesn't have the force neccessary to actually do anything without upsetting half the continent and now everyones on equal footing.

Looking back on it the Riverlands is a pretty horrifying place to be in. Massive forests and rivers everywhere and in those forests and ruins you now have an undead zombie woman leading a band of red god guerilla fighters.
Burned villages and dead people everywhere. A gigantic wolf pack led by a magical dirlewolf now boldly attacking villages and peasants. Lannisters and raiding parties.
Then in the future you are probably gonna have greyscale being spread everywhere. Wights/the Others coming down. Probably holy wars between the seven and the new rhllor followers.
Riverlands is a nightmarish hellscape.

>>24554583
It's because for some reason after the fall of the Dragons, The Targs never decided to make a standing army. Don't tell me it wouldn't be feasible either.

>>24554557
united Andal kingdoms with independent North, Iron Islands and Dorne is the logical choice

>>24554355
In the first part of the prophecy, Sansa is used as an unwitting puppet of Littlefinger to help kill Joffrey. She was there, had poison in her hair and was made a part of the plot without being aware of it. What makes you think the second part will be any different?

I feel like Sansa is a big victim of the 5 year gap being scrapped, since she'd obviously have a lot more agency as an 18 year old woman rather than a 13 year old girl.

>>24553794
probably cersei, sadly

>>24554881
>Sansa is used as an unwitting puppet of Littlefinger to help kill Joffrey.
Just like she's being used as an unwitting puppet to slowly poison Robert Arryn to death with sweetsleep.

>>24553794
Tullys are described as "fertile", and that's a codeword for thick in the nether regions.
Reminder that Cat's 2nd chapter starts with her sore from Ned's plapping.

Once again I will remind them:

>Rhoynar could barely beat back three dragons
>Westerosi couldn’t beat back three dragons
>Aegon’s prophecy says three dragons are enough

VALYRIA HAD HUNDREDS IF NOT A THOUSAND FUCKING DRAGONS LOL

George really is an American. “WE GOT THE BOMBS WE GOT THE DRAGONS”

>>24555335
Why do insufferable female readers assume that Valyria was afraid of Westeros because of skinchangers again? They’re so retarded.

Just a reminder that Darkstar is the best character by far, and will personally kill Euron with Dawn to end the New Long Night before it even begins.

>write short stories before you write a novel series
Was he right?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRd3g_8-WLQ

>Honor set you on the kingsroad … and honor brought you back."

>"My friends brought me back,"

>"Did I say it was your honor?"

>>24553916
Shut up little girl.

>>24554557
United Westeros. It’s just better that way.

>>24555447
GRRM's dialogue and one liners really are top notch.

>>24555394
>Arianne led her queen-to-be to the final member of her little band. "Last, but first in valor, I give you Ser Gerold Dayne, a knight of Starfall."
>Ser Gerold went to one knee. The moonlight shone in his dark eyes as he studied the child coolly.
>"There was an Arthur Dayne," Myrcella said. "He was a knight of the Kingsguard in the days of Mad King Aerys."
>"He was the Sword of the Morning. He is dead."
>"Are you the Sword of the Morning now?"
>"No. Men call me Darkstar, and I am of the night."
>Arianne drew the child away. "You must be hungry. We have dates and cheese and olives, and lemonsweet to drink.
He's so cool

>>24551793
Dragons get shot by CHADrendil the Mariner.

>>24555100
if you shoot someone to death with a gun, are you the killer or is it the gun?

>>24555399
sounds like good practice that doesn't take up years of your time like a long series would. better to practice with some quick short ones before jumping into a large project. I've heard this advice from lots of other people too over the years

>>24555758
>>24555399
I would offer caution on one front:
While short stories will tighten your prose, it's a bit like learning different lifts at the gym. They all use your muscles, but a deadlift is different than an overhead press. Short stories work writing muscles, but different ones than novels, and series work different ones than lone novels.

>>24555827
makes sense, thanks for the advice

>>24555399
Be careful if you're looking to make a career of it, the market for short stories these days isn't what it was when he started out.

>>24555755
It's a tranquilizer in this situation

>>24555898
Yeah it's fucked up but you can still learn the process and, worse come to worst, you can publish your short stories in an anthology or something

>beautiful characters are ugly on the inside
>ugly characters all have a heart of gold

It's getting tiresome, George.

>>24556040
Catelyn and Sansa are hot, they're not ugly on the inside. Neither was Daenery's Lysenne slave, or Jon who was characterized as handsome etc.

>>24556040
Jorah Mormont is ugly as fuck and also evil

>>24556097
The Mountain's an uggo too.

>>24556097
>>24556129
Ramsay, Chett, Selyse, Janos Slynt, Boros Blount... plenty of ugly assholes.

>>24555394
This but unironically, my man was framed and he can prove it.

>>24555399
>You must finish what you write
>:(
Good advice though.

>>24556097
Jorah isn’t evil.
>>24556129
How do you know this? Have you ever seen Gregor’s face, hmm?

>>24556573
>Jorah isn’t evil.
he's a pedophile

>>24556573
>slaver
>2 time traitor
>servant of the false lizardman queen

>>24556581
Every other character is an pedophile

>>24556654
Every other character is evil.

George R. R. Martin can go fuck himself. Fuck that nigger.

>>24556679
This is why he quibbles with you, anon.

I want to shit in George’s mouth

>>24556071
>Catelyn and Sansa are hot, they're not ugly on the inside.

>>24556823
What am I wrong about? They are both canonically hot and while they might be a bit stupid, they're definitely not evil. Are you confused cause you're a showfag or something?

>>24555343
because they assume riding dragons isn't skinchanging.
we will never actually know the truth.

>>24556870
Catelyn told Jon what happened to Bran should have happened to him instead and Sansa bullied her younger sister for her looks. They are both at least a little ugly inside.

>>24557080
There was no bullying, Sansa and Arya both picked on each other like kids often do. Catelyn hated Jon because his existence was proof of Ned's infidelity. Neither of these things is a sign of evil.

>>24557117

(different anon here but) Sansa is a little bitch and Catelyn looks down on the North and was a bitch to Jon Snow.

>>24557144
Ok and? We were talking about whether or not they were evil, not perfect.

>>24557155
The original post mentioned nothing about being evil.

>>24557184
What does being "ugly on the inside" mean then? Having playful fights with your sister as kids and then confessing to missing and loving her when you're separated?
Who isn't ugly inside by that standard?

>>24557229
>playful
There was nothing playful about it. George literally said he created Sansa because he felt the Starks were getting along too well. All the horseface insults thrown Arya's way were real and mean spirited. She's friends with a girl who neighs every time Arya walks by and does nothing to defend her little sister. She even asks her mother if Arya is a bastard too and if grumpkins stole her real sibling.

>>24557440
You have actual autism.

>>24557657
kek oldtown nigger funded

>>24556823
Catelyn's an idiot who undermines her house at every move.
Sansa is at least smarter than her mother, but she's still a woman with ambition other than mothering children, and thus uglier internally than Catelyn.

>>24555343
Because female readers interpret the old gods as some peace and love hippy dippy nature religion lul

>>24557980
I love when George goes full anime with retarded characters like Darkstar or Aemond. It doesn’t happen often but I do find it very funny.

>>24556654
>>24556655
You 2 are a bunch of pedophiles racists.

>>24556607
Jorah is bad but not evil.

>>24556679
Fuck you, you fat Nazi incel piece of trash.

Do you think Darkstar has a streak of black in his pubes

>Darkstar
Is this real, chat?

>bloodraven is an albino and a greenseer
>ghost of high heart is an albino and a greenseer
>ghost is an albino and a ......wait what?

I know we don’t like to discuss the show adaptations here but they cast a literal FtM transgender for Daeron (son of Alicent).
HBO is burning through goodwill so fast. I can’t believe they used to be known for prestige television.

>>24558384
Ghost of high heart isn’t a green seer she’s a remarkably prophetic dreamer.

Do we even know if greenseers weren’t all attached to trees? Were they weakly people carried from tree to tree?

>>24557980
>cut out the most mocked line of the books
>replace it with something even worse
Dabid and Dabid were truly something else.

>>24558384
He is also half Blackwood.

The importance of House Blackwood

>>24558248
>"you 2 are a bunch"
ESL detected

>>24558397
we dont care
>>>/tv/

>>24558725
ESL hypocrite detected.
Kys homo.

Why do you all even come here if you’re just going to be angry and yell at George

>>24558788
Mental illness mixed with boredom

>>24558788
are you aware of what website you are on?

thoughts?

>>24558397
yo wtf its real. The imdb page is sad cuz you can see when she was an actual human girl child.

>>24558788
Maybe he should release the fuckin BOOK, the fat fuck

>it’s only the Velaryons that are going to be black, we promise!
(From leaked set photos of HotD season 3. Black Florents because fuck you).

And George the cuck will say nothing and continue to bitch about dragons living in the Vale and not being nomadic.

>>24558933
Why is anyone in this setting black? Isn't this based on like England or something?

>>24558952
no one in the setting is black aside from island people in the south and they are barely mentioned at all. HBO are just creatures and all the directors and producers who work for them should probably be sent to go work in an Alaskan coal mine to make up for all the coal they put on my television.

>>24558962
That was another thing I was going to ask: why are the crazy dragon people in the original show all white but then there's black people running around with blonde hair in house of the dragon? I thought they were incestuous.

I hate women, niggers, kikes, faggots and George rr Martin

>>24558863
*sharts*

>>24558933
I haven't watched HotS because of niggers but I saw on youtube there's black maester in king's landing. wtf? was that in the books?

>>24559304
it's grand maester orwyle. he's white in the books.

>>24540758
If he's not releasing the new books at least he could have rewritten AGOT

>>24559520
AGOT?

>>24559665
A Game of Thrones. The first book.

>>24559743
What's the point of rewriting when the series isn't done yet?

:)

:p

>>24559797
>>24559799
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA IM
BEING BURNED ALIVE WHILE BEING EATEN SIMULTANEOUSLY FUCKKKKK IT HURTS SO BAD AND THIS IS SO HUMILIATING AEGON DONT LOOOOOK
lol dumb bitch whore got rekt, shoulda been publicly raped before hand too

>>24559837
Her faggot son should have been raped and tortured in front of her as well

>>24559747
>yet
It won't be done ever so it's not like that would steal time and energy from the winds lmao

Why did the fatman stop regularly blogposting?

>>24558952
It's the same thing as in The Hobbit where extras have to be minorities because someone complained about it in the original (disregard the entire Essos plot and how D&D actively removed every non-white character from the books from the show)

>>24559950
He’s having a mental breakdown over the Witcher writer raping his ass

>>24559950
Tired of facing his disappointed fans.

>>24559747
He's never finishing it. Stop coping. At best we will get Winds of Winter published posthumously from whatever he's written.

>>24559954
I never thought about that but I did think about how they made Renly a weak gay man stereotype for no reason. Were they chuds all along?

New thread:
>>24560109

>>24560111
Bit early nigga

>>24558952
They put diversity into shows because it gives you massive tax breaks and allows you to be eligible for awards. Anyone who tells you it's because people complained about a lack of diversity is lying.

>>24560111
retard

>>24559998
If anything they made him less gay in the show by removing those faggot "rainbow guards" or whatever he called them.

>>24559837
I love her. She is cute und sexy!

>>24559950
#NotABlog

>>24560500
He looked just like young Robert and took part in tourneys. They made him go from a flamboyant top to an effeminate bottom who's scared of blood while being shaved, if you get what I mean.

george rr fartin

gorge rr martin

>>24558933
grow up

>>24558708
The impotence of house blackedwood

What lessons should a writer learn from George?