Thread 24545701

Far too often men are prone to losing their tempers, but because of the violence they're able to inflict, the tantrum aspect is diminished during analysis.
Do these warriors simply need a time out and a nap? Should men be infantilized to exchange violence for impotence?

How do we satisfy this issue with the least possibility for masculine interference? How do we introduce neoteny into this structure, and ensure it implodes before any more damage can be done?

Surely there is literature to this effect, and great thinkers who have dealt with the issue of castration.

drop the ten dollar words and pour yourself a double son

>>24545703
ten dollar words?
*whistles and shakes his head mirthlessly*

We need to return to a matriarchy. Men are too emotional to lead countries. When was the last time you saw a woman start a war.

>>24545772
exactly. but the question is how do we do this, how do we completely undermine the male mind, render him a pliant but powerful mule? retain his virility, and his cognitive prowess, but amputate his sense of violence?

>>24545701 (OP)
Men are not vanishing, they are retreating. From relationships, from institutional demands, from collective obligation. Not by cowardice, nor nihilism, nor weakness - but by sacred refusal to collude with a world that has hollowed out the feminine into parody, and severed eros from its mythic root.
This retreat is not a conscious movement toward soul, for most men have not heard of soul. It is not a deliberate descent into myth, for most don't remember the myths. And yet it happens. Everywhere.
Men retreat not in search of the feminine within but in search of refuge. They turn away from real relationships, work, education, not because they hate women, but because the outer feminine devoid of beauty, of function, of soul has become unrecognizable. And if given a choice between emptiness and the parody, they choose emptiness. They choose nothing rather than violate what remains of their inner integrity.
But it is there, in the void, that the great possibility stirs.
Even if they do not name her, do not know her, have never met her, still within that emptiness, the anima awaits.
She does not need to be reimagined, reengineered, or "updated". She does not ask to be made familiar to the modern psyche. She need only be seen. Once. As she is. In the dark. Without distortion. Without irony. Without demand.

This act of remembering is enough.

Because where culture collapses, myth re-emerges. And where men descend into the silence beneath language, soul prepares its next eruption. The anima was never meant to be found in daylight; she is born in shadow, dwells in dream, and speaks first through absence.
So let it be said: true virtue is born in darkness.
And when men meet her there not as escape, not as fantasy, but as a reawakening they will return. Not as obedient citizens of a broken world, but as bearers of the fire: visionaries, warriors, poets, and builders, not of new systems but of meaningful life.

This is not disappearance, it's gestation.

>>24545848
>gestation
and we will ruddy the womb with his blood.

(/r9k/ ragebait) literature for this feel?

>>24545701 (OP)
W-what? Are you applying a criticism traditionally levied against women to m-m-men? Oh nooo my fragile world view is BREAKING APART! Oh man I don't how to process this! Someone find me a strapon NOW AAAAAAH

>>24546203
are there pajeetas in the room with us right now anon?

>>24545701 (OP)
The problem is already solved m'lady.
Video Games and Porn.

>>24545701 (OP)
>cure
moar guns

>>24545701 (OP)
Try not being a faggot.

>>24545848
Grim

>>24545701 (OP)
cultivate the logos

>>24545701 (OP)
>masculine hysterics?
>men are prone to losing their tempers

Men can't be hysterics, they lack uteruses.
Men are orchideric.

>>24548507
ah, thank you! wasn't aware of the roots there.

>>24545772
>When was the last time you saw a woman start a war.

>>24545701 (OP)
I would argue these days many men become hysterical because of the fact that they are not allowed to use violence and strength to solve problems as they may have been able to at one point in time. It leads to a frustration that boils internally until it pops.

We live in a culture of people talking shit with no fear of reprisal, of getting hit. Those who traditionally do the hitting are understandably unable to adapt to this, whether consciously or unconsciously, and it corrodes them from the inside out.

>>24548101
Yet hopeful

>>24545772
Are you really saying this in /lit/? Have you never read the fundamental base of western literature?

>>24545772
This. Now more than ever, the world needs the guidance of balanced and thoughtful leaders like Dilma "Petrobruh" Rousseff, "The Rohingya Hammer" Aung San Suu Kyi, "The Shaman's Apprentice" Park Geun-hye and Angela "Wir schaffen das" Merkel.

>>24545701 (OP)
Well you're not gonna like the answer but enslaving women will cause them to cease. Women are sperm receptacles. And having something in cum in every few weeks will.satiate the anger.

>>24545772
>has never read history

>>24549317
>the president began bombing
Didn’t know HC had been elected

there's really no precedent in literature for this? don't devolve into politics now.

>>24545701 (OP)
trannytastic post.

>>24545772
>When was the last time you saw a woman start a war.
peak slave morality.

>>24549317
Based Hillary

I'd love to commit violence against trannies.

>>24549676
not a tranny, just tired of men getting away with tantrums and the rest of us having to suffer for it.

>>24549995
>just tired of men getting away with tantrums
Where are men getting away with tantrums lol

Last time I checked lashing out with violence is the fastest way to ruin your life.

>>24545701 (OP)
Beatings

>>24550006
your terrified duty to your fellows has not been the case for the wide majority of men. most of your friends probably have battery cases you don't know about. in most places, you can be incredibly brutal without any consequences. even in certain settings across america.

>>24545701 (OP)
A truly skilled nigga expresses his emotions with skill, no castration here.

>>24545701 (OP)
I don’t think men are nearly mad enough to warrant your antidote thread if you ask me.

>>24550243
most men are unskilled in every sense of the term, how can they be denatured?
>>24550257
you're describing righteous anger. i'm speaking about a different class of anger, one that is strictly irrational, based on emotion of whatever color.

>>24550235
>most of your friends probably have battery cases you don't know about.

>>24550329
ask one, then once your tantrum is over, you can come back, apologize, and we can move forward in trying to control these little outbursts of yours.

>>24550318
Skill comes from experience.
Look nigga, I used to chimp out every day, but through conditioning I realized that I can control the way I express my anger and that, ironically, gives me the mental toughness to maneuver others into my desired outcome. It's all about being a chessumasuta.
Denaturalization will happen naturally when men come outside of their comfort zone, be it by their own will or against their will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYrNjPGgAAA

>>24550502
most of these conclusions come from self-reflection and repentance, but you must know that this isn't the chosen path for many.

Hell is eternal.

The solution to this problem is to learn ancient Welsh and ancient Gaelig and restart divine sacrifice of 15 year old kings by white goddess gangs. Christopher Lee (she/her) will return from the dead and burn the first wickerman.

>>24549995
>not a tranny
yes you are, every tranny loves to mouth off about the patriarchy because they wish they were castrated like the good sissies they are.
>just tired of men getting away with tantrums and the rest of us having to suffer for it.
"rest of us", meaning your fellow 41%ers

>>24549621
She had him by the balls, she knew where the bodies were buried.

>>24551219
Just stfu anon, you sound like an idiot. NTA btw.

>>24551248
"she" isn't going to fuck you, little bro.

>>24551219
>please be a tranny, PLEASE
sorry brah, but you didn't make it.

>>24545773
The other side of the coin is that not only are men quick to forgive, but they're as a rule friendlier than women, less vain, more truthful, etc.
>sense of violence
Women possess this sense as well, of course. They're just not able to effect it with the same degree of competence

>>24551675
the latter half of your post is the point, the masculine form is capable of turning a temper which in a child would be at worst embarrassing, or in a woman might seem cute, into a quadruple homicide in short order. removing this power alone from man is the goal here. either make all men physically weak (an intolerable result) or at birth, render all men pliant to command. surely there's some part of the brain that can be snipped quickly and quietly as a standard procedure and suddenly rampages, warpaths, postals, all of it dissolves. without men's violence we might actually accomplish a shred of decency on this planet.

>>24551691
Why does your type, the socipathic leftist with delusions of grandeur always have these unhinged fantasies of altering the very fabrics of human society in the most unrealistic, impossible ways, yet at the same time you are too cowardly to actually address realistic ways to reduce violent crime? For instance you are too much of a coward to as much as mention the fact that there is an ethnic and cultural component to it. What are the predominant ethnicities among the violent criminals? How many of them come from single mother households? If only we had, I dunno, FBI crime statistics or something to help us solve these questions.

Also, what are the odds that you are exactly the kind of person who would be proudly supporting BLM and wants to defund the police and protests for the rights of illegal violent criminals to remain illegally in the country?

>>24551737
>please move the violent into boxes, or to far off lands
i'm sorry, but your solution isn't sufficient anymore. the boxes, they are too expensive, the foreign lands, they just regurgitate them back onto our shores.
do you think i don't recognize the 2-repeat allele of the MAOA gene?
no, i propose to you that the "very fabrics of human society" are as prone to alteration for the better as they are for the worse, and this would be in a better direction.
your aim is off. i'm no leftist.

>>24551744
>i'm no leftist.
Anon, who are you trying to fool here? Your impotent ramblings, the delusions of grandeur, the reddit-tier mad scientist for the benefit of humanity larp, it can literally only come from a leftist mind that is suffering from unnatural levels of estrogen. No woman would ever think like you, no man with healthy testosterone levels would ever think like you.

>>24551763
once your temper tantrum is over, you can come back any time and apologize and we'll have some more constructive discussion

>>24551766
there can't be a constructive discussion because you refuse to address realistic solutions and you would rather fantasize about some dystopia where all men are lobotomized at birth or whatever unhinged shit you are dreaming of. There can't even be the beginning of a possible discussion as long as you are too cowardly to address the ethnic component.

>>24551827
so you think putting men into prisons for upwards of 40 years to be raped by other men is preferable to manually flipping a violence switch, and letting the guy go on with his life, never being prone to murder and destruction? i don't see it, man. we do all sorts of procedures to our children when they're born. this would just be put in place and we wouldn't have to worry about it anymore. besides, if you have some better actual rational solution besides "get all the blacks over here" to actually solve violence *worldwide* instead of losing yourself to emotion because you're addicted to the status quo where you're already about *this* fucking close to crashing out.

>>24551842
*i'd love to hear it

so they want more compliant slaves?

Traditionally Men managed their natural violence through sport or creative outlets and simply blowing off steam, it only rises to the fore now because the feminising push in society removes all honesty from their lives and forces them to bottle up all the rage inside unable to properly express and control it..

In short by forcing women into male spaces like sports, social clubs and their workplaces they drive men razy

>>24551842
Why would I care about solving violence worldwide? Violence is part of nature and when controlled and channeled constructively, it's also what allowed us as a species to survive and propser. I want to live in a peaceful country that enforces its laws against criminals, but I don't want anyone to be lobotomized. I believe that free will is far more important than your or my personal safety.

>>24551872
i think you still have free will even when you don't have the ability to exact brutal violence during a temper tantrum. does a woman not have free will because she can't be as violent as a man?
>i don't care about solving violence
why are you in this thread then? to complain? to throw your tantrum?
you want to be constructive, go sit in the corner and cool off for a few minutes.

>>24551862
This would be something akin to having a loaded gun on your person at all times and talking about how you have to fire it in a controlled setting, because if you don't, it will go off on its own and probably kill someone. it's just not morally responsible to let people be violent anymore in any context.

>>24551691
>the masculine form is capable of turning a temper which in a child would be at worst embarrassing
Your solution is to render the human form impotent, rather than live with the danger you deserve to face anyway. Ironically, this instinct is the very reason you’re not a cave dwelling animal and what you advocate brings that back.

>>24551880
>does a woman not have free will because she can't be as violent as a man?
Where do you get that idea from? Women are physically weaker than men and generally less prone to impulsive physical violence (again, huge difference among ethnic demographics though), but there are lots of cases of women who are violent and abusive, especially against their children. Also statistically lesbian couples experience by far the highest amount of domenstic abuse.

>>24551893
>you'd be cave dwelling if you didn't rape and murder people when you don't get your way
>you deserve to face
so you want me to be harmed because i don't want people to be violent. got it.

>>24551898
the point is to isolate that vulnerability in men to be brutal, to be violent, but to maintain every other strength that makes them capable of supporting humanity. which they do. i'm all for targeting the same impulse to violence in women, but it does seem like you're just trying to shove personal responsibility onto the fairer sex. women smother their infants. men make napalm and burn people to death. you can't pretend you can't see the discrepancy between necessary strength or virtuous action and depraved, useless, destructive violence.

>>24551900
I want you to be harmed because it’s funny.

>>24551922
so you're just a petty person throwing a temper tantrum.

>>24551900
the whole premise of your dystopian sociopathic fantasy would require a ridiculous amount of violence from the government to enforce a lobotomy on a mass scale. Who do you think would execute your fantasy? Certainly not you and other freaks like you, so obviously you would have to rely on a government sanctioned force capable of violence, such as the police or military to enforce it, but then these groups would need to be exempt of your proposed lobotomy. But who's going to force them to get lobotomized? Nobody would be left to do it because they'd have the monopoly on violence.

>>24551933
you keep saying lobotomy. it could just be an injection. anyway, you can't help but think in terms of violence, so everything looks like violence to you. i'm sorry you can't see clearly.

>>24551889
>it's just not morally responsible to let people be violent anymore in any context.
That's a retarded claim. It's like you don't understand what you're actually saying you're just incredibly feminised in your thought patterns. I doubt you even see value in physical activity.

>>24551900
Violence is the function by which nature weeds out her misbegotten forms and, as such, the basis for all healthy human feelings (empathy is the luxury of the predator) and you, too, will likely face it eventually, if not by others then by your hand.

Violence is that by which new values are begotten, so any cries against are inherently self-defeating.

>What but the wolf’s tooth whittled so fine
>The fleet limbs of the antelope?
>What but fear winged the birds, and hunger
>Jewelled with such eyes the great goshawk’s head?
>Violence has been the sire of all the world’s values.

The rage against your own inception is a cry for death.

>>24551910
The men who invented napalm and weapons of mass destruction and those who sanction killings on such large scale are not doing it out of violent impulses though

>>24551944
Well, I and millions, probably billions of other men wouldn't do the procedure wilingly. So how would you make them do it without the threat of violence?

>>24551944
>you keep saying lobotomy. it could just be an injection.
nta but you must be fucking retarded to be able to confuse the meaning here

>>24551952
physical activity is wonderful, things like dance, miming, building, running. very nice things.

>>24551953
if a phase without violence can exist within nature, it should exist within nature. you say it is a cry for death, i say it is a cry for life, you demand violence, and pretend that i have not experienced violence. i merely say violence should be abolished. do you really think it's a problem we as men cannot solve? that you insist on its use as a crutch for your civilization is absurd, you should have higher standards for yourself.

>>24551976
Without "violence" how do you protect this idea of civilisation?

>>24551967
you pretend like i'm Dr. Evil with some plot to take over the world, when that particular concept was developed as a bottom of the barrel scrape to try to coax you into coming up with a more reasonable solution. instead you've developed an to the idea of lobotomy. so long as the violent temper of mankind is abolished, i don't care about the process, i'd prefer it to be without violence, obviously. as for your argument that it would take a great amount of force to get such a thing accomplished, i agree with you. obviously the world at hand is full of people who are violent to begin with, so it's not as if we can change things overnight. this is why developing solid and functional ideas to abolish violence is necessary.
this is the purpose of the thread. i don't care if it means clipping their ears or shaving their heads, so long as it means they're not capable of violence and destruction.
>>24551958
you mean the engineers? you're right, the violence has become so refined they've developed a physical language for it. mathematics. all of those calculations of cascading energies and bomb development have their subtle violence. you can't develop a bomb without first wishing to use it, and besides, i don't mind them developing bombs, if people aren't warring on the ground, if bullets aren't flying, if fury isn't high, if there's no grudge, then there's no use for a bomb anyway. we're working with the smallest axioms responsible here.

>>24551990
protect it from what? whales? vicious turkeys?

>>24551998
competing human societies

>>24552002
that's the whole point of making it a global action. you can't just remove violence from one or two countries and expect that to work. no. why would you think that's what i'm suggesting? try a little steel-manning here. you've done a chinese finger trap right?

>>24551996
I called you retarded for thinking lobotomised impled physical surgey.

>>24552007
lobotomy does imply physical surgery. that's what a lobotomy is.

>>24552006
You vision requires rigid totalitarian control, as soon as any group developed a higher propensity for violence they would immediately rise to the top and take over the passive servile slaves unable to fight back.

>>24552009
The fact that you aren't aware or are conveniently forgetting that lobotomised broadened its cultural meaning substatiates your retardation.

>>24551250
Suck my dick?

>>24552014
so it would still be better than now, where brutality is indiscriminate and in every household. got it.

>>24551590
>ackshually, this thread was made by a REAL flesh and blood woman, NOT a failed male, chud!
kys any day, tranny.

>>24552128
back to the time-out corner.

>>24552135
you are a looney troon discord spammer, go back.

>>24551976
>if a phase without violence can exist within nature, it should exist within nature.
The weak and ill-constituted shall perish.

>>24545701 (OP)
What you call “masculine hysterics” is just a natural reaction to your quiet, passive-aggressive neuroticism. You can bemoan how vocal others can be, but their needs will be met while you suffer in silence.

>>24551842
>so you think putting men into prisons for upwards of 40 years to be raped by other men is preferable to manually flipping a violence switch, and letting the guy go on with his life, never being prone to murder and destruction?
Lmaoooooo holy shit.

>>24550564
>but you must know that this isn't the chosen path for many
it isn't your decision to make their path for them control freak hitlertroon

>>24551976
Read The Magic Mountain. There's a character called Settembrini who is an exact caricature of you, albeit a much more cultured and refined one (or rather you of him).

>>24552178
what's funny about prison rape?
>>24552194
finally, someone's talking about literature. any prevalent excerpts?

>>24552114
>where brutality is indiscriminate and in every household.
No it's not.

I really think you are projecting a lot of nonsense onto people due to your lack of general awareness because you're afraid of normal social interaction..
I think your problem is not actually with violence since you seem more than eager for the state to wield it indescriminantl against the population but instead with impulsivity and the inability to exert self control.while thinking about future consequences? Terms like conscientiousness mayt be more fitting.

>>24550484
Pedantry

>>24545701 (OP)
Unironically have sex

>>24552373
>the state
???
more politics, more government talk.

>>24552425
Your ambition requires a dictatorial government to force it on the population.

>>24552446
it really doesn't. i'm sure there are very simple, effective, and widespread ways to stop violence. just gotta think outside the box a little. you don't believe in the ideal whatsoever (a lack of violence) so it's easy to approach it with a defeatist attitude.

>>24552473
I'm pretty sure you don't mean violence you mean impulsiveness.
Look at populations with low levels of self control and figure out what regions of the brain are affected

>>24552531
i mean violence.

>>24545701 (OP)
>Hormonally imbalanced ideas guy

>>24552231
>what's funny about prison rape?
You don't want to kill them because you're a pussy. That's why you're okay with brainwashing (which is arguably even more unethical).

>>24545848
This is copypasta. I've seen this exact same stream of wordwordswords schizophrenic bullshit on /pol/ at least once already.

>>24545701 (OP)
Men need a healthy sense of power, autonomy, self-value, self-sustainment, and a functioning sense of empathy (even just cognitive) or they will try to get their fix of what they are lacking in destructive methods.

TLDR: Infantilizing/inducing impotence will make things worse in the long run by causing people to lash out in violence or become super depressed (self-destruction spiral).

>>24553885
People resort to violence when they feel threatened or disempowered, physically, emotionally, socially, culturally, etc. Or they are throwing tantrums like a child being denied something they want from their parents because they never developed a healthy sense of autonomy, confidence to affirm themselves with others and trust in their ability to sustain their own wants and needs.

>>24549379
>We live in a culture of people talking shit with no fear of reprisal

our prisons are a pure hell, & we live in a police state.

>>24553203
Prison rape is only funny to reddit brains. As opposed to male on female rape which gets more laughs here.

>>24553946
>As opposed to male on female rape which gets more laughs here.
The medievals were superior to you, they preferred female on male rape.

bump

>>24555154
Why would you bump some assmad roastie's bait thread? It's very obvious some femcel got told off in another thread and now she's making it all our problem. Literature has not been discussed once. Some landwhale's veiled
>i know you are but what am i
Is not even entertaining.

The only half-interesting point you could make here is these accusations of male "hysterics" is just a feature of female hysteria.