Economic conditions of the modern world are making it increasingly difficult for people to produce children. Men struggle to find wives. Those that do then find it difficult to sustain a family on a single wage, resulting in both parents having to work, resulting in less children. This is not a cultural/economic issue restricted to the Western world, as some claim, but a global issue of urbanised post-industrial societies. Both economic incentive programs and reactionary cultural movements attempting to bring back the traditional family have failed to significantly raise birthrates (see Korea, Russia, Hungary, China, etc.). Western states have attempted to use their comparatively higher wages to attract foreign workforce thus putting a bandaid over this issue but this solution has in turn caused many more problems, mainly due to cultural friction between the imported foreigners and natives. We can thus say that no solution to the depopulation crisis, that is both satisfactory and effective, currently exists.
But there is a solution that may soon become available.
A state could in theory move the responsibility of producing future generations directly onto itself, thus taking the burden away from the individual and putting it onto the collective.
How could this be done? In 2025 Japan unveiled the first artificial womb capable of sustaining mammalian life without a mother’s body. Full ectogenesis is already outside the realm of science-fiction and it will move to humans. It may very well become economically feasible for a state to mass produce human beings from donor genetic material. Combine this with state-funded child rearing and you have the recipe for a nation that can fully control its own population growth and adapt it to social, economic or geopolitical considerations so that it may at any time be exactly what it requires. A state that has no need for immigration. Furthermore production would be subsidiary to natural population growth, so if in a year the birthrate went up or down the government can then adapt artificial production to compensate.
The hurdles with implementing such a system are great, both because of ethical concerns certain sections of the population may raise and because such a system would take at least two to three decades after implementation to start bearing fruit and would be initially costly but if a state is able to achieve this feat the advantages it would have over its competitors would be immense.
>palgrave pivot
is this some new academic slop press like routledge and that other one with the chess horse
>>24546640 (OP)>How could this be done? In 2025 Japan unveiled the first artificial womb...stopped reading right there
This is literally what the society in Brave New World did. The population "crisis" isn't even the real problem, it's debt-based economics which requires constant growth in order to avoid collapsing.
>>24546640 (OP)The world needs fewer people, not more. The living need there to be fewer people, climate change and food/water security are going to fuck us.
Socialists have tricked everyone into thinking you need a big population or a load of immigrants so that they can tax a shitload and totally spend the money in your best intrests, bro. Once you stop kicking the broken welfare system down the road you find that you can keep your fucking money and the government doesn't need to utilize mass-migration to fuck your country into a turd-world shithole in the name of 'muh tax' 'muh pensions'.
>>24546701Nearly every civilization that got outpaced in population growth by its neighbours collapsed. Demographics are destiny.
>>24546687OP is reading dystopian fiction like
>OMG THE GOVERNMENT IS SO FUCKING BASED
>>24546640 (OP)I have a better one - repeal the 19th Amendment, close all borders and kick out every single non-white immigrant.
>>24546756You then have to deal with population decline.
>>24546770Which is bad because...?
Line no go up infinitely? Oh well, happens.
>>24546781calhoun got debunked dude it was unreproducible boomer "science" everyone was worried about overpopulation then and guess what his experiment just happened to show just what everyone wanted to hear, amazing.
>>24546756Call it whatever you want. I was trying to word it universally so it could work for the USA and all of it's colonies (Canada, the EU and Australia mostly). Non-white seems to be a better word than non-anglo in this situation.
>>24546797Nice try, Seamus Pepperoni, but you're part of the decline. America was meant for Anglos.
>>24546774Everything, our entire society, is built upon the concept of line going up. If it stops going up society crashes. It is better to keep line going up than deal with the consequences of it not going up anymore.
>>24546817China's population is going to 600 million by 2100.
>>24546872also when ppl talk about overpopulation they never talk about bangladesh which has the most people per square mile of any country it has like 100 million people packed into a space the size of texas. india and china have a lot of people cuz they're like the size of europe, they're fucking huge.
>>24546797>>24546756>>24546786Define non-anglo. Will the government demand mass genetic tests on everyone? What about 98% anglo and 2% Native American individuals?
>>24546834>>24546877I can't really care all that much about America, as I don't live there. For me the most important thing is to have white Europe. I obviously wish the same to the USA, Canada and Australia, but the specifics are up to you guys. I know many of you would say retarded shit like "Italians aren't white" and etc., but for me white is white.
>>24546865The line can't go up forever, we have to face the consequences at some point. Better to live in 1/4 of the GDP, but 100% white USA instead of 130% of the GDP, but even less than 46% non-hispanic white USA. The line will stop going up even if you bring in 500 million Indians. It's not a matter of "if", but a matter of "when".
>>24546928>The line can't go up foreverYea it can. Functionally infinite universe buddy.
We can spread and grow indefinitely.
>>24546928>Better to live in 1/4 of the GDP, but 100% white USAYou can live in 3x the GDP 100% white USA with state-funded ectogenesis.
>>24546640 (OP)>In 2025 Japan unveiled the first artificial womb capable of sustaining mammalian life without a mother’s body.TOTAL FUCKING BROAD DEATH
>>24546946The author of that is a woman and she actually argues that women would benefit off this because it would even the playing field on the job market with men if they no longer had to worry about giving up years of their lives to produce children.
Gays too would really gain off this since they are no longer a "burden" on society, they pay taxes that go towards producing the next generation just like everyone else.
>>24546928>white is white>non-hispanic whiteThis is very confusing. What is white European? 2% Levantine Italians, Greeks are no longer white? What about 2% Siberian Estonians, Finns, Russians and 2% Native American Whites/Americans? How do we draw the line and enact such policies?
>>24546928>"Italians aren't white" and etc., but for me white is white.Nice try, Luigi. But so-called Italians look like pic rel. There's little to no difference between them and say Central or South Americans.
America should be for Anglos.
>>24546972>Gays too would really gain off thisDo you even know what gays do to adopted children? How much worse it would be if it were their own children. I unironically feel avarsed to cloning as the cons severly outweigh the pros.
Of course women want this, they would do anything to avoid having children as infanticide is a hardwired fetish in the average women's central lobe
>>24547006>Do you even know what gays do to adopted children?They wouldn't be adopting them? Did you even read through this thread?
The state would raise the children.
>>24547020Yes I read the thread but it seems you're the midwit here, as stated the state will raise these kids but you insinuated that gays would have a chance of having children implying they would have them for the purpose of raising them. Don't contradict youself please
>>24547039I said gays would contribute to raising the population just like everybody else, by paying taxes, taxes that are then used for producing babies and raising them to adulthood. It's not my fault you have no reading comprehension.
>>24546993I am not Italian, but okay. It just seems to be a common theme for the Americans to say "Italy/Poland/Ireland/Greece isn't white", when in reality they are whiter than the USA right now.
>>24546973I'd classify as white the native European people. It's impossible to be 100% of a certain ethnicity, I get that. Sure, if you are 98% Italian who's going to know if you have 2% Levantine genes, unless it's somehow obvious or you are forced to take e DNA test? If we have to be honest a good portion of the Spaniards wouldn't qualify as white under a microscope because of the Arab conquests of Spain. The exact way of writing out such policies could be clarified in the future. The groundwork is what needs to be set first, because currently we live in a "fill all white countries with as many brownoids as possible". And to be perfectly honest with you - I'd say that white is every country that gets "diversified" with brownies by the powers that be. This would mean that Japan is honorary white too. The pattern is clear - they don't send white people to populate black or brown countries, they do the opposite. So no matter what the Americans think, Italy is white because it got invaded by brown immigrants, just like the rest of the European countries.
>>24547067>It just seems to be a common theme for the Americans to say "Italy/Poland/Ireland/Greece isn't white", when in reality they are whiter than the USA right now.Poland, yes. Italy, no way. Ireland is dying. Greece was never white.
Obviously there's a lot that can go wrong and the State will use it as another control mechanism, but, if it saves us from Indians...
>>24547067>If we have to be honest a good portion of the Spaniards wouldn't qualify as white under a microscope because of the Arab conquests of Spain.That's not being honest. That spreading typical lies. North African genes vary by region and it's not more than 5-10% percent in regions where they do have them (mostly southern Spain). Most Muslims were Spanish converts.
aaah, yes. being born to support the state
Color-coded race labels are garbage. I don't call East Asians "yellows," so I refuse to call Euros "whites," especially when fair features are not exclusivd to them. Also, I don't view Germanics and Mediterraneans as the same race even though they are closely related.
I don't care if Germanics want ethnic enclaves like Aarvoll's RTTL. They should have freedom for that imo. Still, they should stop acting like quasi-Jews claiming countless cultural legacies, which they poorly understand, and focus on themselves. Antagonizing others who could potentially sympathize is not efficacious.
At this point number 1 goal should be stopping Israeli lobby because they are responsible for financing and arming terrorists and responsible for much of these problems in the first place (e.g., 2015 Migrant Crisis). Since 2015, things have gone out of hand, and then it got worse with Indians flooding tech field even more around 2020.
Since Assad was ousted and replaced by that Jihadi, I guarantee you things will get worse. Sunni radical Arabs are at war with the West and many others. Also, Israel practically controls the entire West...
Maybe it's just best to give up on the human species?
>>24547128You already are. Cope about it.
>>24547128Countless humans, billions upon billions, were only born because their parents needed someone to financially support them when they were old.
Or they were not thought of at all and their birth was an accident.
Do you really think being born because the state needed people to support it is conceptually that much worse?
>>24547053>Irish and Italian descent>IrishThank you for proving me right.
>>24547183He's Italian. Stop coping, Luigi.
>>24547173You're just talking about the birth itself. After a decade raising kids no one sane would be left unmoved. The state is cold and ruthless and that's all you'll get.
>>24547067>It's impossible to be 100% of a certain ethnicity, I get thatIt's not that. I'm not trying to reach this low kind of gotcha, but to a real and historical issue that has affected both the US and considerable parts of Europe. So don't get me wrong as if I'm trying to argue in bad faith or just trying to prove you wrong no matter what.
>a good portion of the Spaniards wouldn't qualify as white under a microscope because of the Arab conquests of SpainI'll be pedantic and just point out that Finns have on average more Siberian component than Spaniards have North African, which ranges at most between 6-8% on the highest regions.
>>24547233I was raised by deadbeat subhumans and I don't think this experience is a rare one. I would much rather have had an impersonal experience than an abusive one. People glorify the family unit but all I see everywhere is people that hate each other but are stuck with one another because of blood ties. I recognise there are positive experiences as well but I don't think that justifies all the terrible life-ruining ones. With state-run child rearing you at least get a guaranteed baseline of what society would deem an acceptable childhood. It is equality.
>>24547279sucks to be you I guess. Since you like anecdotal evidence I turned out fine and so did everyone I know
>>24547295Do you think no people get fucked up childhoods? I told you at the end of my post I recognise my experience is not universal. I have plenty of evidence that it is rather common however.
