Guénon's believed that Orthodoxy > Catholicism - /lit/ (#24547527) [Archived: 292 hours ago]

Anonymous
7/13/2025, 11:18:18 PM No.24547527
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>What we're saying here applies only to the Latin Church, and what's also very remarkable is that, in the Eastern Churches, there has never been any mysticism in the sense in which it has been understood in Western Christianity since the 16th century; this fact may lead us to believe that a certain initiation of the kind to which we alluded must have been maintained in these Churches, and indeed, this is what we find with hesychasm, whose truly initiatory character does not seem in doubt.

Guénon's letter to F. Galvao, 1950

>In case you're not familiar with it, I'd like to refer you to W. Lossky's book, “The Mystical Theology of the Eastern Church”, which I find very interesting and which makes clear certain differences with the Western Christian viewpoint; the word “mystical” itself does not have the same meaning on either side.

Guénon's letter to Jean Tourniac, undated

>There's certainly some truth in what you say about Saint Thomas; you'd be in complete agreement on this point with Monsieur Préau, who even goes so far as to consider Aristotle and Saint Thomas to be the prime movers of modern rationalism, which is perhaps a bit of an exaggeration. As soon as they affirm the existence of the pure intellect, we can't speak of rationalism as far as they're concerned; but in practice, they hardly draw any consequences from this assertion of principle, and their exclusively dialectical method may subsequently have served rationalists well... What is not in doubt is that Catholicism would have had a very different intellectual orientation if the Platonic influence had continued to be exerted as it was before Saint Thomas, instead of being replaced by the Aristotelian influence; this change has had, among other unfortunate consequences, that of neglecting the study of the Fathers of the Church, and especially the Greek Fathers who are certainly the most interesting from a doctrinal point of view. Of course, nothing similar has happened in the Eastern Church, and this is undoubtedly why its theology, right up to the present day, gives the impression of being much more comprehensive and of never having been confined within such narrow limits.

Guénon's letter to F. Galvao, 1950
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 12:47:29 AM No.24547764
>>24547527 (OP)
the first two quotes sound as what orthobros call prelest
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 1:34:09 AM No.24547883
why should any christian care about what guenon thinks
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 2:05:21 AM No.24547941
>>24547883
> why should any christian care about what guenon thinks
Because he is the most important author of the entire second millennium, and its not even close
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 2:12:03 AM No.24547955
>>24547941
Like most other modern writers he's only good as a critic of modernity. Even Marx had many insights into capitalism. But like most other modern writers, themselves merely children of modernity, his prescriptions are absolutely insane. Only premoderms have any real contact with reality.
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Anonymous
7/14/2025, 3:42:58 AM No.24548121
billions must defend Tradition
billions must defend Tradition
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>>24547955
>premoderns
>make a bunch of random insane ramblings will 100% of all their predictions turning out wrong

>moderns
>calmly explain what shit is broken and then make measured predictions that all turn out to be correct
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 4:26:23 PM No.24549313
>>24547527 (OP)
no
Anonymous
7/14/2025, 4:26:55 PM No.24549316
>>24547527 (OP)
so what
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 2:51:43 AM No.24550643
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>>24547527 (OP)
guenon was the first modern era writer who caught my eye and whose ideas id say i genuinely subscribed to, mostly. But I realized Orthodoxy was true. First learned what Orthodoxy even is from Fr Seraphim Rose, and learned who he was because he commented on Guenon and wrote about his journey from perennialism to Orthodoxy. Thanks Guenon and thanks Fr Seraphim. Guenon is probably in hell :( may the saints intercede for his soul

Also funny how he talks about hesychasm as initiatic lol seems like he didnt have a good grasp on the core of Orthodox "mysticism" went over his head. Or maybe im reading into it. he was a smart dude
Anonymous
7/15/2025, 1:06:53 PM No.24551587
>>24547941
He isn't though