bleak

>>24548373 (OP)
oof. sucks to suck.

>>24548375
its not because we suck its because we are being actively discriminated against

>>24548373 (OP)
This is exactly why young white men are doing things like joining ICE. Why not become part of the Praetorian Guard/Waffen-SS of the new world? If the modern world has no space for White men, then White men will just destroy the modern world. All the gatekeepers of the modern world--women, Jews, minorities--can get their bones broken and their skulls cracked.

>>24548373 (OP)
>>24548375
>>24548381
Jews destroyed beauty and art being perpetuated by the mainstream. Classic American Authors would never have made it if they were born in the 90s and later

Most readers of literature are white women
Men have abandoned literature for slop
Obviously publishers are going to chase the market

>>24548381
>society led by men for thousands of years and set up to prioritise men
>modern men too stupid to do well in a school system that was designed around their needs
tHeY’rE dIsCrImInAtIng

>>24548389
Funnily enough I stopped teaching English in the public school system to join Ice. I was in the natty gaurd for undergrad so I had some good references.

>>24548393
Nice work, Anon. Go fuck up some brown people. I mean that in all seriousness. Screw them over. We're rooting for you.

>>24548389
>he thinks the gorillas who join ICE are somehow failed writers
they can barely spell their names

>>24548393
Based. Rekt em

while I think the topic is worth discussing, this particular article has been posted many times already and starting a thread with it and the word "bleak" is rather lazy

>>24548392
you think i'm the dumb one but you're the dummie!

>>24548392
>modern men too stupid to do well in a school system that was designed around their needs

The fuck are you talking about? The opposite is true. Men are legally discriminated against in university admissions, and women in teaching positions grade male students more harshly for the same performance

https://bigthink.com/thinking/boys-graded-more-harshly-in-school/

>>24548373 (OP)
So this guy isn't white? He was nominated for the Young Lions in 2022 for his novel 'All Day Is a Long Time'.

>>24548393
>>24548397
>>24548402

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>>24548409
Real big brain here. For thousands of years women were denied education. The school system was designed around teaching men. Pity you never got to attend

>>24548410
>Sanchez
What does he personally identify as?

>>24548410
Or this guy, Alexander Sammartino. Nominated this year for the same prize for his novel 'Last Acts'.

>>24548423
I believe the article was written a month before finalists were announced this year.
This is good news though as the guy actually won the prize, it means the glass ceiling has officially been shattered.

>>24548413
>stopping criminals will get me sent to hell
non whites and liberals are weird.

>>24548417
>For thousands of years women were denied education

I know the following logic is going to hurt your female brain, but we couldn't possibly live in a timeline where women weren't denied education->workforce because there wouldn't have been the birth necessary to sustain existence.

It's also such a retarded and ill-informed worldview. Most people in general were denied education, and this varies greatly over time and space. Most people (in the west i suppose) were peasants farming, getting wasted on feast days, going to church, starving from famine. Maybe if you were a merchant you were taught basic arithmetic. And if you were a 2nd+ son maybe you'd get shipped off to a monastery to "get educated" while you got wasted off wine and copied libraries by hand. Ooooooo

Rich women were never really denied education.

>>24548373 (OP)
Zero Australians won those prizes. The pipeline never existed. Try "Rich young white men surprised that their fathers prefer to fuck young black transwomen instead of them."

>>24548417
Why bother wasting resources on educating someone who was likely going to die in childbirth?

>>24548437
lmao

>>24548421
stupid question

>>24548449
>I know the following logic is going to hurt your female brain, but we couldn't possibly live in a timeline where women weren't denied education->workforce because there wouldn't have been the birth necessary to sustain existence.
Good thing women no longer give birth. Explains how they all work and have educations now.

>Most people in general
>this varies greatly over time and space. >Most people (in the west i suppose) >Maybe if you were a merchant
>And if you were a 2nd+ son maybe
>Rich women were never really
Wow, you really maybe know what you are talking about I suppose

Just give up already. You’re just proving my point about men being stupid

>>24548454
Why bother educating someone who was going to die in battle or of disease. Why educate anyone at all

>>24548413
>close off opportunities to young white males
>young white males join jackboot group to destroy the people who closed off their opportunities

What did you THINK would happen, you dumb motherfuckers? Now all of you are going to die, and it's all your own fault. And nobody smart will feel an ounce of pity for you when you suffer your inevitable fate.

>>24548486
Zero illegal immigrants fighting for those literary prizes, fag. It's all New York hipsters.

>>24548474
>Good thing women no longer give birth.
Have you not seen the collapsing birth rates across the entire "civilized" world? Retard

>have educations now.
Oh, my mistake. You're not just a stupid hole, but you're an esl, too. Don't you have a basket of toilet paper to empty or something?

>>24548498
They would if they were literate in English enough to do so. Why do you think every fucking DMV form has to be in Spanish now? Leeches can't even speak a lick of English.

>>24548499
>Have you not seen the collapsing birth rates across the entire "civilized" world? Retard
NTA but it's everywhere but Africa and Israel. Curious.

>>24548475
Woman moment. Battle and disease is a lot rarer than childbirth. And yes, education was always a luxury and educating most people in general was a waste of time and resources that didn't increase your chances of survival

>>24548504
Spanish was spoken in North America before English, so sounds like this is a return to tradition.

>>24548474
>>24548486
mikaelah?

This isn't as bad because young men are still represented in tv, film and video games, and while literature is just too fucking slow as a medium it is still adapted into tv and film. Waaah i can't get published doesn't mean people have stopped appreciating literary media which is what these doomer threads wants us to think. Most of the people complaining aren't creative enough, have you tried adapting your story into another medium or is learning another skill other than reading beneath you?

>>24548499
“They all have educations” is not wrong you dumb fuck. It means they have a variety of different types of education.

>>24548417
>was
And what is the current system designed around, you disingenuous faggot?

>>24548508
Male moment. Too thick to do some basic research
https://www.campop.geog.cam.ac.uk/blog/2024/09/19/childbirth-in-the-past/

>>24548887
The past system. It’s not been radically changed or built from scratch to accommodate women dumbass

>>24548373 (OP)
Bros are addicted to losing hope and find any such evidence to qualify their defeat. The challenge makes the campaign all the more noble. You're retarded to think you had better chances at any other point in history. We've been raped and pillaged peasants in thousands of previous lifetimes. We are at the centre of things now.

>>24548898
this person has not studied at a university. it is incredibly obvious the system as is has nothing to with that set up or gone through by all the people in bronze and marble on campus, in the portraits and with the latin mottos over the doors. if it wasn't rebuilt entirely, well, it still might as well have been, because there is nothing of the original ship left besides the ground it rests on and the name it abuses

>>24548373 (OP)
Joshua Cohen was born in 1980

>>24548391
Women readers of literature (and can only suspect you don’t know any, or are just trolling) read white men, so this doesn’t follow. We’re not talking about goonettes here
>>24548399
Lol

>>24548896
>counting abortions and stillborn among the dead
holy based

>>24548373 (OP)
I'll be published under a female pseudonym

I'll be the male George Eliot

>>24548902
Bro.... Have some reddit gold.

>>24548392
nta but saying the current school system is designed around the needs of men and boys is the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. Probably bait anyway. But today's schools are utterly feminized, prioritize agreeableness and smother competitiveness. Not to mention how physical roughness is the gravest sin of all, boys that get into a fight are in for a 1984-level psychological reshaping.

Schools have turned into one of the many institutions designed mainly to suppress male traits that are "dangerous" and anti-democratic. Competition, ambition, aggression, risk-taking, rule-breaking, individualism. Their focus on rule-following and streamlined processes are exactly the reason why women are doing so well and men so badly, while actual breakthrough innovations (rule-breaking) decline and the email-job sector (rule-following) grows and grows.

>>24548930
You’re half right, there’s the problem of academics being careerists (and therefore competitive) and not spontaneously loving their subject
What thou lovest well remains,
the rest is dross
What thou lov’st well shall not be reft from thee

Unless you conceive competitiveness as a Socratic agon or intellectual sport conducted in good faith, I think it’s a pretty overrated virtue. Because then you end up competing for worthless things. And feminization really isn’t incompatible at all with a petty competitiveness. But it’s a longstanding problem of intellectual spaces being dominated by petty will

>>24548474
please be larping to be this stupid

>>24548930
Yes, everyone in the past loved when school boys never followed rules. One wonders what they were even there for

>>24548993
I feel like that anon has been with the intellectual dork web too long. Its the kind of thing the founder of Palantir would say

>>24548993
>>24548998
No, it's just a distinction between elementary and higher education. Students in the past were indeed known for roughness, rudeness, rowdiness and even fairly grave criminality. In fact this is a feature of many, many popular novels and short stories, but I guess you don't actually read and are just here for the pseudopolitical shitflinging?

>>24549009
You’re being ridiculous and rhetorical. Do you know John Milton’s fate in higher education? Or do not read…

>>24548417
>For thousands of years women were denied education.
So were 99.9999% of men, retard.

>>24549030
His fate? Being disciplined once or twice and later being disillusioned? No, I don't really know what you mean. I'm amazed if you have somehow managed to avoid depictions of student life while reading though, it seems like the third most common topic after psychological suffering and love

>>24548972
>Unless you conceive competitiveness as a Socratic agon or intellectual sport conducted in good faith, I think it’s a pretty overrated virtue. Because then you end up competing for worthless things.
Competing means competing to be better than others at something, and clearly so. Meaning no participation trophies or expected false modesty from the winners. Doesn't matter if in hindsight one considers those things worthless, it's about the mental set-up it creates, and the large-scale sociological changes that its suppression produces.
Intellectual sport conducted in good faith might be the ideal, but for the average, imperfect human material that exists in reality, competition over stuff that in the grand scheme of things is petty at least gets shit done in society.
And it's not overrated, it's at the core of everything good Western culture ever produced. Just look at early Renaissance artists and scientists, or the Greeks... they would laugh their asses off if we'd tell them about what we consider the "fiercely competitive" system of today.

>>24548993
It's not about "never" following rules, and can't be viewed in isolation from the other factors. And it's at least debatable whether the corporal punishment of the past did more lasting damage than the psychological dressing-down by Karen school counselors and medicalization of unruly kids today.

>>24548998
People like Eric Weinstein (who coined the "IDW") are exactly the type to fill up a cultural vacuum like that: an opportunist and egomaniac who can channel the general dissatisfaction, because so many feel fucked over. You can ridicule them all day, but it's an objective state of affairs and very damaging to society.

>>24548391
White women read white men more than any others.

>>24549076
>medicalization of unruly kids
you’re antivax too, right?

>>24549033
That doesn’t change that the school system was designed around men that were educated and not around women at all

If anyone wonders why men aren’t writing books just look at some of the answers in this thread. No critical thinking at all. Just looking for someone else to blame. It’s women fault women weren’t educated and now it’s women’s fault men aren’t educated. The poor men can never be held accountable for their shitty patriarchy that mistreats men and women

>>24549101
>sexual dimorphism goes beyond the physical and into the mental
>its very possible to design an institution for men and not for women
ok chuddette

>no critical thinking
you didnt even think about the ramifications of your first line

>women are to blame for men not being educated
i dont think anyone is saying this, the argument is that teachers deliberately (and with great effort) make little girls lives easier than the lives of little boys. now for sure you can say that its been the other way for however many centuries your (((experts))) say, but surely the point is to make schooling fair for everyone? im certain that this is what your kind were championing for 70 years ago.

>people cant be blamed for the sins of their ancestors
>but ironically
how are you so sure that none of your ancestors have done anything evil? i genuinely dont understand this point, can you explain it fully?

White men can do research, run the numbers and realize that their odds are better self-pubbing or finding a small, niche house.

>>24549076
Competition is a misdirection of will, it’s how you end up with a nature of hustlers (America) who accomplish nothing of significance, or pointless world wars that destroy culture
Read Schopenhauer, IDW Jew cocksucking faggot

>>24549150
>sexual dimorphism goes beyond the physical and into the mental
>its very possible to design an institution for men and not for women
>ok chuddette
But schools are discriminating against men?!

>>24548410
this man is brown
>>24548423
this man is brown

>>24548373 (OP)
I have noticed that areas that are more organic and merit based (sports, youtube, etc.) still have a lot of white men along the new generation, it's the stuff like entertainment that is mostly managed from behind the scenes that seems to have this problem.

>New York Public Library's Young Lions prize
people can barely feign interest in the nobel never mind whatever the hell this is

>>24549092
Do you have any thoughts of your own, or just a collection of stereotypes that you desperately need everyone you disagree with to fit into? No, vaccines are not the same as psychotropic drugs altering a developing brain. Tell me, is opioid overperscription just right-wing hysteria, too?

>>24549164
>Read Schopenhauer, IDW Jew cocksucking faggot
Work on your reading comprehension, Mr Schopenhauer-reader, I said nothing positive about the IDW.
Don't you find it ironic to point to Schopenhauer btw, one of the most pettily competitive and vindictive people of his time?

You know you can just likke... write a book lol. If you're so worried about discrimination use a pseudonym

>>24549250
Right. Italians and Spaniards are le brown except when the far right needs to exploit ancient Rome and conquistadors as their own (stolen valor).
>>24549318
Didn't you know? It's the biggest tragedy!

>>24548896
Hole wants to talk about 1000 years of global history and justifies it with a dirty page from 17th century london. Nevermind it proves my point when you sort these into male - related, female, and both. Stick to the humanities, hun.

>>24548373 (OP)
but the real question is... what literature of any worth has been produced during that time?

>>24548392
Fabian style gradualism and institutional infiltration. The left has hoardes of losers willing to be paid $40k a year for the rest of their lives occupying even clerical positions in education.

>>24548389
ICE wont even exist in like 3 years

>>24549556
neither will the current democratic party

>>24549395
>Stick to the humanities, hun.
You know you’re on /lit/, right?

>>24549655
/lit/ is a renaissance man polymath board. Strict wordcels please report to your designated slop generals. This is your last warning from the outlier masterrace.

>>24549556
You think the HSA is going to be repealed? I doubt this, and I doubt you've ever been right about anything in your life.

>>24548392
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>>24548410
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>>24548423
We see you, we know what you're doing, we know you know we're right and we know you hate us and don't care. We know there is nothing we can say or do and there is no amount of cold hard evidence we can show to change your opinion. So why don't you just fuck off and die?

>>24549694
Triggered

>>24548373 (OP)
Who cares, intelligent ones selfpublish, keep all the money made and write whatever they want. The music industry went through this 15 years ago. Only tards sign themselves to a label nowadays.

Being published today is more like being retard certified if it's western literature.

>>24548389
Lol, you can't join ICE if they find out you're antisemitic. ICE is mainly targeting antisemites. Kys, Shlomo.

>>24548373 (OP)
You retards are so fucking funny, when you dominate a field it's proof of your natural superiority and when you're no longer top dog it's proof DA JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS are fucking you. If you're so superior then how'd you wind up in this position LOL

>>24549874
the really funny thing is how it takes literal quotas and explicit preferential treatment ("Submissions by historically underrepresented persons are given priority") to prove how white men are totally not better at it at all.

>>24549897
>Balancing out biases to give everyone a fair chance is unfair

>>24549897
>when we discriminate it's le based
>when you discriminate it's unfair!!!
Hilarious retarded cope, you can't even hear yourself talk

>>24549925
Spare us your pathetic rhetoric. We know by now every accusation is an admission of guilt and projection of intention. White men were and still are the only group capable of administering fairness. Every other group, woman, black, jew, homosexual, is an interest group only looking out for themself to the detriment of all others i.e. society. The clock is ticking.

>>24549943
>White men were and still are the only group capable of administering fairness

unc why would we young folk write lame fiction books when we could make money the easy way being streamers and Youtubers?

>>24548373 (OP)
This seems like the obvious calcification of a system which did not need to live. Post-war publishing norms produce nothing that matters. Just make the work that makes its audience.

https://youtu.be/sag5GB0Wvjs

>>24549954
That chimp deserved it. Pic related is what happens when we don't keep them in line.

>>24549972
>we're the only fair, moral, normal people
>THAT FUCKING CHIMP DESERVED IT
Beyond parody. Amusing to watch you people try and pretend to be intelligent though

>>24548896
>Grief, 11
Sad but also kino

>>24549978
Unfortunately blacks are unevolved hominids, i.e. chimps, and if you don't severely reprimand them, they cause greater harm to others because of this fact. Being nice is evidently not a solution. Being fair is not always nice.

>>24549978
Not that anon but do you just not like your own people? Genuinely curious as to why you wouldn't root for your own folks, out of love for yourself and others. Do you hate your own brethren? Why did this happen? Ask yourself this.

>>24549985
>fairness is when you're not fair
>being nice is when you're not nice
>I am very intelligent

>>24550028
Cannot imagine a more cucked way of thinking than unthinking sympathy with methhead wifebeaters because they get sunburned too lmao. Did you think that the heckin' based memes about Hyperborea were real, anon?

>>24550033
Is that really the best you can think of? What's unfair about punishing chimps when they do evil?

>>24550039
Okay so your solution is more meth heads? But without any cultural and ethnic cohesion in mind, arguably being worse off than before. Why do you think like this? It seems to make you angry even - the more suggestion that homogenic society might be better than whatever unknown tyrannic chaos is being orchestrated without our consent. Why do you think you act this way? I'm genuinely curious since you seem to possess some kind of intelligence

>>24550039

>>24550047
>Is that really the best you can think of?
The best part about all this is that you genuinely think you sound like a genius and not like a retard

>>24550055
So... no argument and more projection?

>>24550033
>fairness is being nice

>>24550054
Circles in the study are inclusive, not exclusive. You did not read the study and just saw people making posts about it, so you think this heckin' based meme is a knockdown move. Why are you people always so fucking retarded lmao
>>24550059
>debate me!
>DEBATE MEEEEEEEE!
>>24550053
I feel no particular sense of special kinship with picrel and I think it's retarded to think that I should because we both get sunburned. I think it's hilarious that you faggots have constructed an entire political movement around the idea that I should suck off methheads because their skin peels when they nod out in front of their trailer in the summer

>>24550071
At no point did I mention anything about methheads or politics. I guess it's not worth my time, best of luck

>>24549925
>>24549941
>when white men succeed it's because of bias!
>so we make requirements to make minorities succeed more, which is balancing!
>now that minorities succeed by quota, it proves that white men weren't all that great to begin with!
>oh wait Asians seem to be doing too well, that must mean they're white-adjacent actually, let's update our anti-bias programs!
>blacks being overrepresented on sports teams is all natural talent however, they just happen to be amazing!
you're just clinically retarded...

>>24550075
>I never said that I never said that I never said that
Sorry anon, can't claim a special relationship with all whites and ignore the methheads, can't talk about orchestrated tyrannic chaos and pretend you weren't talking politics

>>24550071
Debate? There's nothing to debate here. You literally say nothing

>>24550084
Which is it, anon? Is discrimination "le based" or is it a horrific moral crime perpetrated by Big Minority? Is it just "le based" when you do it? Surely that can't be it, I was told that you faggots were intellectuals

>>24550087
>Blacks are animals and whites are people
>Here's a screenshot of an Instagram post about some shit animals do that we should do too
Like I said you genuinely cannot hear yourself talk lmao

>>24550086
My man poor people will always exist. If I were to post pictures of poor society, and I had the whole world to pick from, any non-white society (with few asian outliers) would be at an instance disadvantage. But I'm not even here to argue that, since I frankly don't care. I'm just genuinely curious as to why whites like you have such an aversion to towards their own group compared to, pretty much any other race and culture. Having travelled to many places, including the third world, I have noticed this lack of self-love that seems ever-increasingly fabricated as time goes by. Make of that what you will

>>24550101
Huh? Very obviously whites are animals too. What are you talking about? Blacks just have too much hominid admixture that makes them largely incompatible with our civilization.

>>24550095
"le based"? Why are you quoting yourself and pretending I said it?
Discrimination right now is institutionally established against straight white males. If it wasn't, they would do overwhelmingly better. If you think your murky, handwaving idea of some pre-cognitive bias among all those white supremacists running society is the same as *actual* implemented quotas and requirements, I really don't know how to help you.

>>24550109
>you have to love your race more
>because... because... you just do okay!!!
Not convinced, sorry
>>24550112
Pathetic backpedaling because you just realized you contradicted yourself

>>24550071
>I feel no particular sense of special kinship with picrel and I think it's retarded to think that I should because we both get sunburned.
Good for you; You don't, but jeets do, blacks do, women do, etc and that's why you lose, and why our civilization loses. There's strength in numbers that le fair minded individual can never compete against. That's the point.

We get better results if individuals compete against other individuals, but that's a state we have to enforce with not only laws but morals, because a player can just zerg rush and then our little game and then it's just a race to the bottom. What you call late stage capitalism, I presume.

>>24550123
>Pathetic backpedaling
Clarifying the shitty language you use to pretend to have an argument is not backpedaling. Lmao I can assure you I've believed in evolution for the entire duration of this thread

>>24550119
>races should stick together and look after their own
>but when they do it it's not fair :((((
Literally screaming mods mods mods in front of the New Yorker offices, maybe if whites were better writers you wouldn't be so upset
>>24550125
>blacks feel special kinship with each other because they're black
Feels like I'm always hearing about a genocide in Africa where a bunch of blacks slaughtered another bunch of blacks though
>our civilization
What have you built? Nothing. What have I built? Nothing. We're just here, anon. Saying "our civilization" like you and I are responsible for it is just as retarded as blacks saying we should feel guilty for slavery when neither of us owned slaves. Sins of the father aren't yours, but neither are his accomplishments
>>24550132
>I can assure you I've believed in evolution for the entire duration of this thread
m'lady

>>24550155
Lmao do you not believe in evolution? Your perspective thus far is consistent with christ cuckery

>>24550167
>whites are people
>blacks are animals
>whites should behave like animals
>this isn't contradictory because I believe in evolution so there
Extremely funny that you think I'm a christcuck and you don't see why this is the reason I'm laughing at you

I stopped caring years ago. When society finally collapses women will beg men to save them.

>>24548373 (OP)
The last couple books I read are by modern cis white males and they sucked

>>24549694
seethe harder

>>24550174
Who are you quoting? Because it isn't me. And to prove it, anyone can just read the thread you booty blasted low iq nigger lovin' whogivesafuck

>>24548373 (OP)
white men of yore don't exist anymore
the best of them died in pointless blood feud wars on the behest of inbred families.

whites today are made of bitch dna, no talent, cuckery and faggotry abound

monkeypox chasing queer pedophile beastiality muppets is the best they've got

better luck next time

>>24550155
>races should stick together and look after their own
>but when they do it it's not fair :((((
maybe you think I'm another anon, but I've said nothing of the sort. You seem confused. My point is the one about institutional discrimination through affirmative action and similar programs, seems like you have trouble wrapping your head around it and resort to screaming "raycism"
>Literally screaming mods mods mods in front of the New Yorker offices, maybe if whites were better writers you wouldn't be so upset
I wonder, do you think the policies of treating minority writers preferentially have improved our literature? Which of them novels about the Black two-spirit pansexual experience have you enjoyed personally? Movies too? How did you like Snow White, anon?

>>24550277
I liked Sinners :D

>>24550155
>What have you built? Nothing.
Actually, I've managed to make a lot out of my life. I've taken what was given to me by my father, both material and abstract, and added to it, improved upon it, maybe subtracted what was bad from it, and I'll continue to shepard over it until my children are equipped to do it in turn. It's not just a collection of purchases, but a way of life, of appreciating and handling the mysteries of the world formed by not only a person, but his peer group as well. And you know what? There's nobody on this planet better suited to the task of watching over my father's property, so to speak, either culturally, because he raised me, or genetically, because I am literally his genes. I can look into the mirror and see him, I don't see a drooling nigger. Blow this logic out to the nation, and it's not hard to understand that YES we must preserve our successful, dignified, civilized way of life. It's why envious browns who eat rice with their hands and shit on the street want to come here to begin with instead of living in the shitholes they created through their own behavior. And whatever I have built to pass on, certainly should go to my children, and not some fucking itinerant.

>What have I built? Nothing.
Not surprising given your cuck attitude

>>24548373 (OP)
No group is actually fighting for fairness. The only ones who even pretend to are leftists and certain White people, yet they’re both operating under a delusion. Leftists think they can force and manipulate a utopian version of fairness into existence, while White people are still naive enough to believe the system they built is race-neutral and just needs minor tweaks. Both are wrong, and their efforts only validate a system that's actively being corrupted.

This corruption is so obvious every time someone tries to use the courts or HR to "fix" things. It's a reverse-uno card. Every policy meant to ensure "equity" is immediately weaponized to dismantle merit and punish racial success. This isn't a bug; it's the feature. It proves the goal was never true, blind equality.

Instead, the definition of fairness was swapped for a toxic, simple-minded formula: White success is inherently "privilege," while any non-white failure is, by definition, the fault of White people.

But the real damage isn't just in bad policy; it's the cultural rot it spreads. This ideology is a poison that hollows out society from the inside. It teaches people that individual effort is meaningless and that identity is everything. Why strive for excellence when the outcome is pre-determined by your group? This breeds a culture of mediocrity and, worse, a deep-seated resentment between groups who are taught to see each other as obstacles. We are systematically replacing personal responsibility with a currency of victimhood, where the most aggrieved hold the most power. This isn't just "unfair"—it's a cultural suicide pact, engineered to tear down the very foundations of Western achievement.

I guess people really should've started with the Greeks after all.

>>24550471
America was over the moment they decided to give citizenship to non-Anglos. As soon as the first micks, first krauts, first wops were allowed in it was game over. Then later groups just gave it the finishing blow.

>>24550499
It was never gonna remain an Anglo-only country since it was created by Freemasons.

>>24548373 (OP)
Who controls the publishing industry and literary press? Do they have a dislike of white men?

>>24548373 (OP)
>>24550558
cant you just try to publish in non-jewish controlled countries? just google translate that shit and sling it out

>>24548373 (OP)
This is the reality of being a minority.

You can try to explain it away by 'discrimination' but that's only part of the story.
The truth is that white men are no longer the 'default' or the 'standard', so you're no longer appealed to in the same way.
You can be entirely ignored by industries that will nonetheless still profit. 60 years ago that wasn't the case outside niche areas of interest.

Honestly? You'd better get used to it. It's not going to change because there's no economic reason for it to do so. Besides, it's not like you've given other minorities a reason to care about your plight after being highly reactionary for so long. It's like the Dave Chappelle bit about not giving a shit that white people are dealing with an opioid crisis after they downplayed or ignored blacks going through the same thing.

While other minorities were building political networks via intersectionality throughout the 20th century, you guys got yourselves isolated through your own arrogance.

There is an upshot though. When you're no longer the 'standard', you're no longer required to write in a way that has broad appeal. As you lose power and numerical supremacy, it becomes increasingly possible to write works for other white men the same way other ethnicities can. In a sense, you get a stronger identity by becoming weaker. And that identity might actually produce something culturally interesting or valuable, at least once you guys abandon the dream of ethnic supremacy which is obviously not going to happen.

>>24550608
but they dont profit from ignoring white men, in fact they barely survive by making romance slop for women

its more like once white men abandon something the industry nose dives into irrelevancy and profit

>>24550608
It was eroded. How do White (European) people go from supremacists to self hating in a matter of decades? It's not socially acceptable for Europeans to have in group bias and preference. It's not acceptable for Europeans to have a positive group identity. Most minorities could not have caused this. It had to come from within or be spread by a group that wasn't quite European, but had power and influence. Europeans are encouraged to be inclusive. No other groups are. It's socially acceptable for every other group to advocate for themselves.

I find it funny when non Whites or liberal Whites talk as though non White people care more about other groups. They just care about themselves the most. Only Whites are truly held to any standard. A standard where we must care about others more than ourselves. I do wonder what the effects of White people becoming a minority will be. I assume liberal Whites will become irrelevant.

>>24550623
the industry is doing fine lol

>>24550631
your mistaken if you think libtards will get a clue.
look at south africa

this is why im against the idea of accelerationism

>>24550631
>It's not acceptable for Europeans to have a positive group identity.
In Europe people celebrate their ethnoculture and nationality. There are parades and festivities. The issue is muttmericans want to make it about race and end up sounding like nazis.
>Europeans are encouraged to be inclusive. No other groups are.
Couldn't be more wrong. You got all your talking points from /pol/ threads. You're a caricature at this point.

>>24550648
Europeans are shamed for not being inclusive and other races aren't. He's right.

>>24550631
Every group is encouraged to be inclusive. That's what intersectionality is. It's practically an ideology of inclusivity for everyone that isn't a white male. That's why black people, women, and LGBT people all vote for the same parties and candidates outside some localized exceptions. That's why these groups never conflict with each other even when there might be valid reasons for it.
>It's socially acceptable for every other group to advocate for themselves.
It's a case of a rising tide lifting all boats.
Women and black people advocating for their own respective empowerment targets the same portion of society that historically excluded them both and which continues to have a strong tendency towards reactionary politics.
White guys meanwhile continue to see no reason in allying with anybody else or even trying to create some kind of network of mutual interests. In fact white guys are so bad at this they routinely downplay the interests of working class whites to funnel support into billionaire whites in the vain hope that they'll manage to get around to creating their ethnostate.

>>24550638
no it isnt


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/19/books/prh-penguin-random-house-trial.html


>In 2021, fewer than one percent of the 3.2 million titles that BookScan tracked sold more than 5,000 copies.

>>24550656
He's wrong where he says no other groups are encouraged to be inclusive. This whole inclusivity thing is Anglo-American propaganda, which spreads all over the world, except radical shitholes.

>>24550648
>The issue is muttmericans want to make it [race] about race

>>24550668
Ethnicity =/= race.

>>24550665
That's not what I wrote. I said only whites are shamed for not being inclusive, and it's jewish subversion.

>>24550663
https://bookriot.com/netflix-for-book-discovery-and-other-problems/

This comments on your link (because I don't have a subscription to ny times) and says:

>The article only cites figures from 2021, with no historical figure to show whether or not this is bad or unusual.

>Oddly, it only brings these trials up after a nice, cozy lede about how book sales are up, up, up! “Last year, readers bought nearly 827 million print books, an increase of roughly 10 percent over 2020, and a record since NPD BookScan began tracking two decades ago.”

>>24550672
>and it's jewish subversion
Or maybe white women were early champions of inclusivity and naturally extended that to cover other groups in order to develop a broader political base from which to challenge an entrenched white patriarchy?

>>24550672
That's not what he said. You're putting words in his mouth. You're saying it's the only group who is shamed, he said it's the only group who is encouraged.

>>24550673
just face it, book sales are in decline and no one reads anymore. white men are too busy playing video games and watching anime. the only thing that sales now is romance slop and genre slop

your logic is warped, why would anyone pass on making money even from a minority.

the truth is white men just dont give a fuck about books anymore

>>24550671
The only difference is where to draw the line and the broad concurrence of immigration from non-White countries into White countries makes the assertion that the line should be drawn anywhere except at the racial boundary untenable.

>Total book sales in the U.S. reached approximately $26.1 billion in 2022, up from $23.8 billion in 2012.

You're no longer needed.

>>24550677
>Or maybe white women were early champions of inclusivity and naturally extended that
Those are yentas. Inclusivity and DEI is pushed by jewish hedge funds like Blackrock. They want mass immigration into white western countries to decrease the cost of labor and bump the price of assets. It's a psyop to destroy the white middle class and seize real wealth. There's nothing natural about it, you silly woman.

>>24548373 (OP)
the only "modern" books ive bought and read were the mike ma ones and between two fires which was out around 2012. they are both white males.

ive paid for and read around 40 books this year so far and i just checked and the only one not written by a male was frankenstein which was really written by percy shelley anyway and the only two not by a white guy was a couple mishima books.

looking at the half dozen or so books ive bought but havent read yet, they are all by white males

not even jews. just white males. i did get a free copy of the metamorphosis but stopped at the super long introduction about what a huge jew he was and dont intend to read it ever

its mostly been classics though other than some random meme stuff like mike ma since ive recently gotten back into reading and doing a lot of catchup. thinking back im pretty sure almost every book ive ever read has been written by white men. why would you read anything else?

>>24550678
I made the correct distinction so she, I can tell, couldn't obfuscate it with "well everyone is ENCOURAGED" okay, but only one group is SHAMED.

>>24550682
Why would I face it when there's no proof of it? You posted a stat which comes with no comparison. If we include digital formats then it seems publishing is growing moderately well
https://www.publishers.org.uk/audiobooks-and-fiction-drove-growth-in-2024/

>the only thing that sales now is romance slop and genre slop
"now" - that's always been the case. People like romance and genre fiction but plenty of romantic works are valuable literature nonetheless. You could call Jane Austen romance you know.

>why would anyone pass on making money even from a minority
Because the juice isn't worth the squeeze. When white men were the core culture, then it was important to appeal to them and to lure them into reading. Now that they're becoming a minority, they're forgettable in the same way that country music singers don't really think about appealing to black or Asian listeners. If they participate, then great, if they don't, eh, no big deal.

>the truth is white men just dont give a fuck about books anymore
Sure but that's on white guys really. Most book shops still stock plenty of classics and a man wins the Nobel prize for literature every other year.

>>24550694
You live in a bubble if you think that's the case. So called inclusivity is one of those cultural values that your Anglo-American culture has exported worldwide. You have no idea.

>>24550686
>Those are yentas
They're not though. By and large, white women are more politically progressive than white men.
>Inclusivity and DEI is pushed by jewish hedge funds like Blackrock
Why would Jews not be supportive of inclusivity after they were discriminated against for centuries?

You're so weird. You shit on people and then get upset when they complain about being shit on. Are you really shocked that Jews don't care about a white ethnostate? Or that women don't care about empowering men above them? It's your fault for not giving them a reason to care.

It's such an easy argument to make too.
"Foreign cultures are more bigoted. White society enjoys greater rights for women and sexual minorities. It's important to lower migration so we retain that."
If you people had actually made that argument earnestly, things would be better now. But nobody believes you anymore. Everyone knows the moment you get any kind of political power, you'll strip the whites away from non-whites and from women and from gays or trans people all at once.

As I said before, you isolated yourselves and now you can't stomach the reality of such a pig headed, selfish political strategy.

>>24549978
this is the age old cope of the anglos, call anyone else brown and pretend you're fair and just to your people and not the rest because they're inferior, while failing to realize their quality of living is the direct result of oppressing other groups. it's wild how they're painfully unaware of it.

>>24550712
>you'll strip the whites away
rights* my bad

>>24550631
>How do White (European) people go from supremacists to self hating in a matter of decades?
They never were. It was all headcanon invented by the racial grievance industry so they could justify their (((anti white agenda)))

>>24550712
>By and large, white women are more politically progressive than white men.
Because they saw jewish propaganda which told them to.

>>24550677
(((White))) women

>>24550712
>Why would Jews not be supportive of inclusivity after [they previously caught backlash for Whites getting wise to their tricks]?
No reason. We just gotta get rid of 'em.

>>24550712
>You're so weird.
I'm so correct. The truth is sometimes unpleasant, sugar-tits.

>>24550723
No. It's because white men, at least those of a reactionary or conservative inclination, are constantly signaling to women their opposition to women's independence. The obvious recent event is Roe v Wade but electing a guy that's been widely accused of sexual harassment against women doesn't help either.
Even culturally, the majority of men speak about feminism the same way Christians speak about Satanists, as though it's this wicked, insidious, evil force. It's clearly not a positive sign to women who have actually been discriminated against or abused and see in feminism their only possibility of justice and empowerment.

>>24550658
Separate but equal was the organic answer, not the elite enforced MLK forced integration. I can understand why White people have this unsympathetic attitude as a response to the incessant statist moral bullying, and trancelike servility that the white race has fallen under since the Civil Rights Movement. There are three black racial strategies which exist. But you can't -- or won't -- acknowledge that two out of those three (Haiti and Liberia) end in disaster for the black race due to its own internal deficiency. The MLK strategy has secured them suck from the mammaries of white society, but it's not enough for them. Not only must they get into white spaces, they must also demand extra privileges, affirmative action, diversity hire, political power, the spread of critical race theory. All inequalities between the races must be attributed to some system of "white supremacy" that is "keeping us down" instead of acknowledging their own internal faults. People have had enough of this white guilt. Any delusions thinking they can re-create this naïve prosperity without the people that gave it to them is beyond arrogant.

>>24550712
Doesn’t matter, Not him — but Jews are nepotistic beyond belief and should not be pitied into given power. In 1913 Jews were handed control over our nation's finances by Woodrow Wilson who allegedly experienced great anguish in regret. This alone is ultimately the reason why they're relevant today, and it certainly doesn’t give Jews the excuse to attack everyone. there is definitely a historical continuity of them getting kicked out because they are everything people project onto whites: They think it’s their moral obligation to mess with all the other racial identities for their own self righteousness, and Kabbala enlightenment. They don’t have a history of ruling well because they are horrifically self destructive, do you want a bunch of foreign middle eastern gypsies with a chip on their shoulder running your government? your policies? Any sense of “equality” is just petty revenge.

>>24550740
Equating baby murder with empowerment and batting around menial news items doesn‘t set a strong tone of detaching yourself from jewish propaganda.

>>24550658
>That's why these groups never conflict with each other even when there might be valid reasons for it.

>>24550740
>feminism is a positive force for f*males

what what form does that take exactly? being a single cat lady hopped up on SSRIs to stop from killing herself?

being a single mom with a nigger baby?

being a wage slave childless career women or not getting to raise her own children?

every man in a womens life told her feminism was jewish bullshit and a trap and she ignored them and now shes living with the consequences

>>24550740
feminism is a parody because it focuses on the wrong things, like abortions if anything. It could be a much more effective force when it comes to things like sexual harassment. The #MeToo event was great because it actually discussed genuine power imbalances in Hollywood toward woman actors.

>>24548896
How do you die of planet? Or "rising of the lights"? How do you die of teeth?

There really aren't any good points for desegregation. A lot of the issues people have to day are a direct result of people trying to segregate without segregating. the housing crisis and zoning stuff is because people don't want blacks in their towns, the "people" seething about muh suburbs and cars are seething because people want to live in the suburbs where there are no minorities (also cities are gay in general). we literally waste fuck tons of money on schools by making multiple districts to prevent forced busing and give kids worse educations because in blue states they won't suspend or expel black kids who act like assholes in class because
>that's racist
which means teachers have to spend the entire time policing one or 2 shitheads and none of the kids can learn and then most blue states are trying to get rid of honors programs/tracking because the classes ended up getting segregated because schools had been sending all the shitheads to the same classes as the speds so the honors kids could still learn.

but at the same time… depending on who you're talking about here over 50 percent of blacks were in extreme poverty before the civil rights act it was mostly reduced by giving them dei jobs and affirmative action. So I can’t imagine keeping a complete impoverish group with a 85 IQ average in a segregated ghetto when the crack era comes around black nationalist becoming rich off selling drugs running whole entire ghettos.

>>24550755
>The #MeToo event was great

i can tell youre a female just from how nigger retarded you are.

>>24550745
>Not only must they get into white spaces
'White spaces' shouldn't happen to include every space that leads to any kind of power in society or material enrichment. Of course it makes sense that black people would want access to these 'spaces' if success is contingent upon that access. Why would anyone want to remain forever in a position of weakness and irrelevancy?
>All inequalities between the races must be attributed to some system of "white supremacy" that is "keeping us down" instead of acknowledging their own internal faults.
I think you're downplaying a long tradition of internal critique by minority groups. It's just that they refuse to accept this is the only cause of their lower status in society. Even threads like this are clear evidence most white guys don't ever conceive of the problems they're facing as byproducts of an internal fault among white men. This kind of reasoning is disingenuously weaponized against minority groups.
>They think it’s their moral obligation to mess with all the other racial identities
I really don't see how Jews are more guilty of that than whites, given how many predominantly white countries created colonizes with laws entrenching racial stratification.

>>24550746
>menial news items
Of course it's menial to you because it's not something you live in fear of. It's important to be able to recognize the concerns that others have. This is how smart political strategies are formed.
If there was a political candidate that had assaulted white guys just for being white and every ethnic minority decided that was 'menial' and voted for them anyway, wouldn't you feel incredibly betrayed?

>>24550768
Not all whites are wealthy elites. Even poor whites aren't allowed to have exclusive 'spaces'. Boys can't have exclusive groups now either. It's social engineering.

>>24550748
>what what form does that take exactly?
Many forms because it expands the freedom that women have by reducing their financial codependence on men. Not everyone uses their freedom wisely but that doesn't mean they shouldn't still be granted it. How would you feel if your options were severely diminished because you might choose wrongly? This viewpoint alone is patronizing and infantilizing.
>every man in a womens life told her feminism was jewish bullshit and a trap
Because men want to retain control over women

>>24550773
I agree but poor whites don't really have a strong collective identity. As white reactionary guys love to point out mockingly to leftists, many working class members voted for Trump who's now impoverishing his own supporters.
>Boys can't have exclusive groups now either
I think boys should have those spaces personally but it's also wise to maybe think why this was an issue in the first place. A lot of business goes on in exclusive spaces.

>>24550755
Feminists are constantly sounding the alarm over sexual harassment, they're just ignored by the rest of society because the rest of society continues to see it as a joke. An enormous amount of feminist discourse is on the normalization of sexual harassment.
Does anyone remember in the 2010s when "rape culture" got turned into a meme mocking feminists for daring to suggest that culture can incline a population towards tolerating sexual abuse?

>>24548506
It's collapsing in most of Africa too, it just has a higher starting point to come down from.

>>24550768
You don’t understand why this is wrong, the entire operation was state enforced. Entire communities and suburbs were decimated, crime spiked, people
murdered because of this approach and continue to be. This doesn’t earn sympathy, it actually makes you a disturbance of the peace, especially when you had a better movement like separate but equal. Some Black people abused this in order to take from others because they hated Whites or other racial groups by force, and the special agencies would defend them, what do you think this does to a culture? NYC's specialized high school system is like 1% black and most black and hispanic NJ school kids go to schools that are majority nonwhite. like to the point that NJ schools are statistically more segregated than any of the confederate states.

The desegregation also killed public transport used by stay at home wives to get to the shops during the day. Since blacks are disproportionately unemployed they were the main users of public transportation during the day. So by forcing white women to ride the bus with Blacks desegregation killed public transportation because women stopped riding the bus and instead got cars. This should be a warning to any western country recently flooded with Muslims or pajeets. The first thing to go are the public services. If you want to see one of the final stages of a post "diversification" formerly western country look no further than south Africa. South Africa where the blacks rip utility wires out of the ground to sell for scrap.

The Civil Rights Act was passed for reasons of Cold War geopolitics it wasn't actually to foster racial integration like you think.

>It's just that they refuse to accept this is the only cause of their lower status in society.
Because the few populations that the south accepted aren’t picking cotton anymore, you cannot use this factor or ‘traditional’ talking point anymore because the demographics are more diverse, situations are different. Most africans in the U.S aren’t descended from slaves, we can also talk about IQ and stuff and I’m sure there is some influence to it but I am not qualified for it — my personal thing is that I just think blacks just hate whites so much that they just sabotage themselves. I think living in a foreign country just creates cognitive dissonance because of how different Europeans and Africans are, their history isn’t fourth coming — but who’s isn’t when you’re an immigrant moving to the United States that aren’t the pilgrim who conquered the land? I just think it’s a cope to shelter a bad culture. Moreover, there were barely any lynchings, more people died in the LA riots (1992 not less than 25 years ago) than were lynched over 20 years.

>Jews are more guilty of that than whites
simple report: Whites have better opportunities, Jews keep bribing the U.S for more aggressive foreign policies, and bad internal policies that forced state desegregation. pic related.

>>24550768
> White spaces' shouldn't happen to include every space that leads to any kind of power in society or material enrichment.
not every space was “White” what does that mean? If it’s white communities they shouldn’t be forced to take in foreign people. Blacks in the south also owned a lot land via homesteading, so I think this is an over generalization.

Also, what do you think Jim Crow was? State preventing you to hire black employees if you are white? If so their unemployment rate would be close to 100% but it wasn’t.

>>24550766
Would you prefer sexual harassment in Hollywood go unreported?

>>24548506
To my understanding the people keeping the birthrate up in Israel are mostly a minority of hyperreligious nuts who all have a dozen children.

Uh, literature? What book are you guys talking about?

>>24548506

>>24550768
It’s the culture, not Whitey. The Great Society ruined them, Drug and gang culture blew in the 60s plus you had welfare and hotep shit none of which existed before. Also blacks like everyone else became less religious overall and church attendance fell off.

There was always a sizable black underclass that took to a life of crime although in pre-70s times it was a source of embarrassment to the black community. in those times it was generally believed you had to act and dress proper if you wanted respect from white folks. that kind of changed when hotep shit came along because they start believing assimilation into white values and culture was bad and a life of crime was justified and taking revenge on whites instead of a disgrace to your community/race.

that was when they start preaching back to Africa and adopting wacky names like LeQuan and Shaquina and Nation of Islam shit happened because they said Christianity was the white man's religion and somehow blacks should rightfully practice Islam instead (because Africa had a lot of Muslims?) even though Muslim Arabs kept black slaves long after whites had stopped.

you also had stuff like rise of rap music which glorified the criminal lifestyle when you didn't see that in black music prior to that time they went from the Flamingos and BB King to XXXTentaction.

>>24550844
It's the thread for polcels who LARP like they read aristotle or whatever

>>24550109
because they're evil. nationalism is fine, loving your own people is fine, but no one does it more maliciously than white people (by this i mean the white supremacists). somehow, at some point in history, the idea that they're the only humans in the earth and everyone else is a subhuman got ingrained in their brains, likely due to their successful conquests of the world.

>>24550770
Undoubtedly it would still be menial because we‘d only be talking about a more or less explicit side of an anti-White partisan duality. But actually that‘s what we do have.

>>24550608
White men were never the majority since they've always been outnumbered by women.
But this logic doesn't make any sense anyway. You think the mass push for black women in various entertainment fields is cause black women are so financially relevant? lol

>>24548389
>Why not become part of the Praetorian Guard/Waffen-SS of the new world?
bro equated praetorian guard and ice to each other. as if they were similar to each other in any way, shape or form.
fucking cocksucker, fuck you.

>>24550631
you had me until you turned out to be another braindead white apologist
>ONLY whites are what matters!
>NOOOO STOP DISCRIMINATING AGAINST US WE TOTALLY DIDN'T DO THAT FOR CENTURIES!

>>24550776
>Many forms because it expands the freedom that women have by reducing their financial codependence on men.
Their dependence on an individual man perhaps, but collectively they're just as dependent.

>>24550866
>but no one does it more maliciously than white people
How so?

>>24550868
Black people made themselves relevant via intersectionality. It's not that there's a push for black women, it's that there's a push for black people, women, LGBT people, disabled people, and so on which ends up mapping onto a large portion of society. There's an identification among these groups that stems from their shared status of societal other. White guys are beginning to experience that status of 'other' and it rightfully terrifies them because they don't have the political apparatus to handle it well.

>>24550920
Intentionality is weak sauce cope to get special gibs that actually disadvantages better candidates, which creates distrust in society because it rewards group determinism instead of ingenuity, people are now seen as obstacles instead of neighbors. It amounts too:

>if we give black people money that will make them IQ 100

>NOOOO REAGAN GAVE THEM SLIGHTLY LESS MONEY FOR A SHORT PERIOD 40 YEARS AGO

Listen, I gave up on black people a long time ago, it's not that I don't care about black people, but their black asses have been lathered in butter for decades while immigrants who come to America with nothing far exceed them and sometimes white people. I'm done.

There has to be some way to defeat this anons. There must be some way to fight...

>>24550920
>Black people made themselves relevant via intersectionality.
So it has nothing to do with profits then? You just completely changed your argument.

>>24550944
It does because appealing to one part of the intersectional network appeals to the rest albeit to a lesser extent.

>>24548902
You are posting on 4chan my dude

>>24550949
So if that was the case then the DEI dominating the entertainment industry would lead to tons of blockbusters with black leads.
I count more flops than profitable products though.

>>24550944
This “market” is state enforced. nothing about this is integrating society at all, it’s forced, artificial garbage. A.K.A DEI.

The sole fund that controls the Western economies is forcing any company that wants a chunk of their investment capital to bend the knee.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/blackrock-adds-diversity-target-us-boardrooms-2021-12-14/

>>24550952
The entertainment industry is highly profitable and continues to grow as far as I'm aware.

It's funny seeing whitey victimize himself, what happened to your natural high iq, can't it solve these impossible problems?

>>24550977
Something something we're oppressed and discriminated against but we refuse to acknowledge that this has ever happened to other people or that we were complicit in it

>>24550975
What does that have to do with what I said?

>>24550980
>Some black guy picked cotten a grillion years ago, this is why I was forced to shoot the 7/11 clerk.

>>24550984
We're discussing profitability and you mentioned a DEI dominated entertainment industry. So I mentioned that the entertainment industry is profitable. How does what I said not directly follow on from your point?

>>24548381
Muh white genocide

>>24550770
don't have sex if you don't want a baby. not being allowed to slaughter infants is not the same as being denied a job based on your skin color.

>>24550985
>Women in publishing are why the book I didn't write won't be bought by the men who don't read :(

>>24550989
>don't have sex if you don't want a baby
And those who were raped?
>not being allowed to slaughter infants
Does a person own their own body? Yes or no.

>>24550977
>can't it solve these impossible problems?
It can, but you won't like it.

>>24550986
I specifically mentioned products with black leads made to appeal to black demographics, since you were saying that this is nothing more than market forces (before you changed your argument).

>>24550994
>Does a person own their own body?
Does the fetus own their body?

>>24551004
Is anyone else obligated to let another person occupy their property without their consent?

>>24551006
I don't believe there's any state where you're allowed to kill someone just for trespassing.

>>24550997
It's more than black people exclusively, it's about appealing to diverse audiences
https://newsroom.ucla.edu/releases/hollywood-diversity-in-decline-as-moviegoers-worldwide-want-more
>Opening weekend box-office success still lies in the hands of people of color. They continue to lead domestic ticket sales as the majority of moviegoers for 12 of the top 20 films, including seven of the top 10.
>Women also played a strong role, making up the majority of ticket buyers for eight of the top 20 movies during opening weekends.
>Among the top 20 films where white audiences made up the greatest share of opening weekend box-office sales, only one (at No. 20) ranked No. 1 for its opening weekend.

>>24550994
>And those who were raped?
The willingness of conception has no bearing on whether it's still murder. To be clear, I say this without judgment. I like the idea of murdering undesirables and hope it catches on broadly.

>>24551011
Damn, so white men make up over 30% of ticket sales by themselves? That seems like the single most important demographic.
Sounds like your argument about how financially unfeasible it is to appeal to them makes no sense.

>>24550996
i'm waiting for the low-t ((soyo0))-addled white men to rise up in nationalistic fervor and drive out the browns

>>24550994
you know very well that the vast, vast majority of abortions are not from impregnated rape victims. morning after pills are included in rape/trauma kits, and many people would advocate allowances in the case of something medical or traumatic. you should not be allowed to simply get an abortion because you feel like it. we speak two different moral languages.
>does a person own their own body
yes, including the child you are killing. unfortunately their only advocate for that ownership is you, who instead dehumanized them to justify murder while preaching from a rickety pulpit.

>>24551022
I don't recall saying it was unfeasible to appeal to white men, just that white men won't be appealed to the same as when they were a larger portion of the population and the cultural 'default'. Industries don't need to revolve around them. If they can be included then that's better in terms of profitability but it's inessential because they don't drive ticket sales.
>so white men make up over 30% of ticket sales by themselves
Where does it say that

>>24551040
>Where does it say that
There's a "diversity report" lower down on that page. Did you not read your own link?
>it's inessential because they don't drive ticket sales.
They drive ticket sales more than all black people combined, LGBT, disabled people etc. So it seems they are more financially important than most of those categories on the diversity report you linked.

>>24551051
Do you mean the first table? The 60% BIPOC share doesn't include women and that overlaps with the roughly 60% female audience share. The article also mentions explicitly that ticket sales are driven by BIPOC and female audience members.

>>24551061
>The 60% BIPOC share doesn't include women
Sorry it DOES include women

>>24551061
>>24551064
You need some help there, buddy?

>>24551072
Sure. Help me to see where you got the 30% figure from.

>>24551027
we can't we will be imprisoned and otherwise penalized, and it really isn't fair for you to bait us and rub our faces in it like that. you are only able to because the power structures are so heavily on your side

>>24551076
I spent like 5 minutes trying to figure out the math and I think it's closer to 22% than 30%. But I will stand by it by saying that it's more than blacks, cripples and LGBT combined which still seems to work out.

>>24550039
Literally every minority group has an in-group preference but you think you're too smart to hae the same. They're trusting you to do that, and you give it to them wholesale and lube up your ass for good measure. Congrats.

>>24550302
Nice EM dashes you fucking hack.

>>24550658
Genuinely the dumbest thing I've read. Blacks, women, lgbt people argue all the fucking time, and more minorities than ever gave us Trump 2.

>>24550980
It's pretty revealing how you chimps see everything through the lens of revenge, but you're not smart enough to couch it in equitable terms. Your need to vent your emotions on this topic is doing more to wake white people up than almost anything else.

>>24551009
And if you can't remove them from your property without it resulting in their death, is that your problem?

>>24551224
Yes, you will get charged with voluntary manslaughter.

>>24550712
That argument has actually been made repeatedly. In Sweden, it was more or less the single most prominent anti-immigration sentiment. Didn't do shit. They got labelled as racists and nazis, an underclass was imported, the country went through a retarded rightoid shift imitating america.

>>24550778
>I think boys should have those spaces personally but it's also wise to maybe think why this was an issue in the first place. A lot of business goes on in exclusive spaces.
So it's okay that men can't have exclusive spaces NOW and are systematically discriminated against in universities and large companies to make things supposedly more fair. Young men need to be punished for the supposed sins of their fathers to prop you up. Glad to know you're not principled. You're clearly motivated by resentment and want revenge. It's all so stupid once you realize the sexual dynamics at play. Give women fake social status and sinecures and they won't have children. Population control and eugenics without having to round people up and shoot them in the head.

>>24550916
like the other anon said, racism isn't nowhere as prevalent as it is in the west, at least in the middle east and eurasia, I don't know much about japanese history but i heard they did some terrible stuff to chinese out of racism. in any case, the west (primarily anglos) takes the lead in tribalism. now this isn't uncommon, any ethnic group of people is xenophobic to outsiders to a degree, but no one is as hateful and condescending as anglos.
the united states is a very good example of this, nothing good comes out of a country whos founding father is literally a racist chud who unironically thinks everyone is brown except him and 5 other people. this shows the insane delusions of grandeur they had not so long ago, which still persist to this day. naturally so many unnecessary wars were made, so many people were killed (iraq, vietnam) and the nuke on japan is still in debate to this day whether that was really the right thing to do, and considering the racist sentiment towards japanese back then (picrel) it only makes sense.

>>24551629
terrible bait

>>24551659
yikes! too bad!

>>24549694
this.

>>24549703
>>24550238
samefag

>>24551599
>it's not fair
>it's systematic discrimination
You faggots are so fucking pathetic, you're all storm and fire and strength when you're stomping on someone's face, but the moment someone else is stomping on your face you start squealing about discrimination like little bitches. Be a man, shut the fuck up, and prove you're superior if you're so superior. This crybully routine is repulsive

>>24548373 (OP)
Its easy. We get rid of women. Glorified incubators.

>>24552389
>I know you are but what am I
I know you are but what am I
>I know you are but what am I
I know you are but what am I
>I know you are but what am I
I know you are but what am I

I don't remember owning any slaves.
Why are we treated like this?

would it be fair to say all of the modern white guy suffering is inflicted by his own people? the best example of this is mega corpos hiring jeets instead of capable white men.

>>24548446
Immigrants are so numerous that ICE has absolutely no way of making even the smallest dent in the amount of undocumented in this country. It's all for appearance's sake. They're just a scapegoat to distract from the unpopular economic policies MAGA is shoving through congress, because most people are illiterate and incapable of parsing policy decisions.

>>24548393
Sure you did, anon.

>>24552709
High-level (and nowadays even middle-level) corpos are not anyone's people. They're soulless, deracinated metropolitans. I guess that'd work for the jews, though.

>>24548486
Cannot imagine anything more cucked than joining a pedo's private army because a literary magazine rejected your shitty short story

>>24552782
Wait, who‘s the pedo? Trump? If so then aren‘t all public sector jobs some pedo‘s private army?

>>24552808

>>24552808
No, they're some pedo's private admin team

>>24552389
Shaddup, you dumb woman. There is no face stomping, just a bunch of self-absorbed faggots with victim mentalities scheming for gibs in a corrupt system.

>>24550471
>races started getting a little too friendly with eachother.
>racist remarks became dismissable or chuckleworthy across all societies
>2012 hits
>MASSIVE focus on anti-racism
>races get divided, anti-white sentiment rises.
>utter chaos. People are more concerned with shit like identity and skin color than being able to afford a house.

>>24553080
>races started getting a little too friendly with eachother.
This is rewriting history.

>>24552709
Not really. It's the jews doing their divide and conquer tactics again.

>>24552663
Because societies need scapegoats. There is a law of scapegoat conservation.

>>24548373 (OP)
I'm going to shock the world next year and mog this entire board

>>24552389
This

>>24548381
Blame the neolib intelligentsia holding up the vogue identity politics to guard capital wealth against the tides of time, not the "jews genociding me and my culture"

>>24553218
>Blame the neolib intelligentsia
So just mostly jews and some peripheral good goys, gotcha.

>>24552389
>prove you're superior if you're so superior
Already done by literally creating the civilization the whole world imitates, in their half-assed nigger ways. Unfortunately we became too sophisticated for our own good and started putting empathy, fairness, equity and tolerance on too high a pedestal, so barbarians can take advantage of it.
The decline of white men is almost bittersweet though, because we might get to see "liberated" Muslim hordes throughout the West turning women and niggers into property again, as they're wont to do when white men don't go die to protect them. But I'm sure the Harem-Karens will find a way to blame it on white supremacy then, still.

>>24549556
ICE is now better funded than most nations' militaries, and is expressly a tool for deleting the political influence of the people who would shut it down.

Not only will it still exist in 3 years, it will be larger than any other policing body in the country, and will likely expand its powers and budget dramatically as a whole class of civil servants it employs begin voting expressly for their own job security. ICE is a great place to be looking for work, as it is a policing agency that almost exclusively operates against foreigners who have zero recourse against ICE agents in the legal system, meaning you get all of the benefits of being a Cop with none of the problems that come with having to arrest members of your own community.

>>24549747
Several dozen students have had their visas revoked, which isn't even ICE. ICE has primarily been mass deporting overstayed visas from Mexico, Venezuela and the Caribbean.

I know that this makes you seethe with rage, but it is the objective truth.

Join ICE, deport foreign pigs, and soon your literary opportunities will unfold. The people saying otherwise hate you for your race (see this thread) and would deny you opportunity for that reason alone. You can hurt them. Every foreigner cast out is a vote for their tyranny which will not be cast in the future.

>>24553090
You're the bitch rewriting it. We all played xbox live. We all watched the Chappelle's show. We still remember. We'll mever forget

>>24553405
White faggots still watch Chappelle even though he's been shitting on white people for upwards of 30 years now. Nothing has changed in that regard.

>>24553405
>>24553445
The media sanitized race relations instead of flaming racial conflicts. That's the difference. The racism was always there simmering. We had OJ and the Rodney King riots complete with rooftop Koreans. So in a way you're both right.

>>24553456
That was the 90s man. 00s was basically post racial where everybody made fun of everybody and it was all in good humour. Worst we had was 9/11 islam butthurt.

>>24553471
Nope. 00s was when the black/white racial shit stirring started again. Happened around Hurricane Katrina.

>>24551032
So at what point does it become a child? Because an undifferentiated zygote pretty clearly isn't; there is nothing it is like to be an undifferentiated zygote.

>>24553537
it starts at conception, souls are real.

>>24553541
If you're going to postulate such a thing as a soul the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that it's real. Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem.

>>24553403
I'd only join if Jews were kicked out. They're ruining this country and are the causal source of practically every problem. However, that's not happening because Trump is shabbos goy and laughably so.

>>24553548
if there is no soul, or at least your personal morality doesn't allow for the concept, why is it immoral to take your autonomy away by banning abortion? by what metric do you measure humanity? when do you possess it?

>>24553572
Consciousness is an emergent property of the brain. Therefore a completely brain-dead human is no longer a person either.

>>24553578
how about the consciousness of a small child? how about a pig? what moral rights do you grant them?

>Anons falling for demoralization bait propaganda
Sad.

>>24553585
They should not be killed or subjected to needless suffering. Yes, I am a vegan, that's just the consequence of applying moral principles consistently.

>>24553578
>>24553585
>>24553601
Even if souls are real, the body can be likened to a vessel that develops as the soul trickles into it gradually. It does not make sense for the soul to be fully preformed in altricial species. Children don't really develop metacognitive awareness until after 2-3 months (some a bit sooner, some a bit later). This is the case for altricial species.
Also, banning abortions would mean a lot more black people in America.

>>24553601
what are your thoughts about the videos of babies in the womb reacting to and try to escape surgical tools?

>>24553612
Unless you have some specific evidence otherwise, I'd infer those are most likely late-term abortions, the vast, vast majority of which are for wanted pregnancies that became medically problematic (and are generally more strictly regulated than early-term ones even in places where it's legal, which I think is not unreasonable.)

>>24548381
This is so obvious it hardly needs to be said.

>>24553486
Maybe if you were an adult. Not if you were growing up.

>>24553594
Fine by me. It just means I'm even more on track to outpace the rest of my generation on this matter.

>>24553615
>the vast, vast majority of which are for wanted pregnancies that became medically problematic
NTA but you got a source for this?

>>24553615
ill find my webms later when im at my desktop. it happens as early as 12 weeks iirc

>>24553781
I've seen the video you're talking about since it gets reposted frequently in the odd political thread in /wsg/ before getting nuked. Yes, children at 12 weeks and under respond to the needle they use to dismember them. Any philosophy that makes this act morally justifiable but won't eat a fish is absolutely delusional.

The video in question is one of those ultrasound renders or whatever they are that shows how abortions are performed. Another famous one shows a baby at something ridiculous like 8 weeks old in some kind of fleshy sac (not a biologist, sue me) on a surgical table. The recorder pokes the sac with a gloved finger and the baby moves in reaction to it. Anyone with a mental picture of a little tadpole parasite/"lump of cells" archetype is coping.

>>24553781
>>24553615
>>24554092
https://files.catbox.moe/kx61y0.gif
12 weeks. you can get an abortion at like 24 weeks or some insane shit. and no, it doesn't need to be for medical reasons.

>>24548373 (OP)
bump

>>24553688
NTA you're replying to but here
>https: //www.kff.org/womens-health-policy/issue-brief/abortions-later-in-pregnancy-in-a-post-dobbs-era/
TLDR
>late-term abortions are less than 1% of US abortions
>women get them because they learn that they'll die in childbirth, the fetus will be irreparably fucked up, or because they couldn't get an earlier term abortion because they live in Alabama or some shit

>>24553403
Daddy Trump said they are actually needed on farms to sustain our economy, and so we can only terrorize the one's not on farms.

>>24548381
Why don't white men just make their own award, then? They can call it the special snowflake award.

>>24548375
Retard

>>24549747
He's an antisemite and also a Jew?

>>24553615
>>24553615
>>24553601
>>24553578
this coward bailed after the gif was posted. disgusting world view.

>>24548373 (OP)
boo hoo, I don’t fucking care
>>24548381
lol

>>24555001
1% of 40,000,000
is 40k
Women are demons.

>>24557387
So you think the women who find out they'll die in childbirth should just sit back and let it happen?

>>24548389
The actual Waffen-SS of America are trannies.

>>24549250
If these guys are brown, I'm practically black.

>>24557530
Explain.

>>24548373 (OP)
All I say is this antagonising White Man will have extremely dire consequences for the shitskins and their enablers read a history book for once lol.

>>24548381
As a black anon who has frequented this board for years, i would say this statement isnt completely unfounded. I wouldn't go on /pol/ ramblings of 'da jooz' but there is an obvious agenda both explicitly and implicitly against young white men. Look at the replies, no one really challenged the statement. Its not so simple as the da jooz, there are other factors and bad actors involved

>>24550758
Tooth decay. The bacteria from a rotten tooth get into the bloodstream and can cause sepsis.

>>24548923
In this document, the word "abortion" also means miscarriage, not just intentional abortion. It's still used that way in medicine.

>>24550499
I'd go one further and say America was over the moment they got independence. Americans objectively had a better quality of life and lower taxes than actual Brits did, and it got worse for most Americans after independence.

Midwit bullshit

White men don't read anyway

>>24548375
You'd know.