"Numbers go up" edition

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>What is Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royalroad, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

> Advice for Noobs!
Running your story like the business it is:
https://www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

On writing webserials:
https://alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/

Sanderson's Writing lectures 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY

>/Lit/izens respective works:
https://rentry.co/q43n8y9k

we're all gonna make it bros

Would you break free from the clout hierarchy?
Then write in the land of slop, with your hand.
Would you trade fame for raw honesty,
Then rise with the Slop Guild and stand.

There is power, there is power
In a band of writing men,
When they stand x2
And in hand x2
That's a power, that's power
That must rule in webfiction land
One Industrial Sloppy Band..

>Her hair was the color of the jet engines on a Lockheed Martin F35 Lightning

>>24551308
I came

i would not even look at a woman that reminded me of that overbudgeted failure of an aircraft.
Now the F-15 Eagle, that's plane a girl should make me think about.

>protagonist reads too many isekai's
>wants to die so he can be isekai'd as a hero
>jumps off a bridge
>lands in a truck full of pillows
>jumps out of an airplane
>flock of large birds pummel him as he falls and change his trajectory until he lands in a lake
>every method he chooses fails
>twist is that the stereotypical isekai world demon king is using magic to thwart the arrival of a hero
Am I cooking?

>>24551324
only if it's a comedy that's told from the perspective of the demon king's faction as they all marvel at the slopcel's derangement and concoct plans to thwart his suicide attempts

>>24551329
NTA but I think a shifting POV would be best, like you start with the "MC" trying to off himself, so we get why he wants to do it in his own words, and so we're presented the problem of not being able to die. This creates anticipation.
Then we shift to the demon king, who is the actual protagonist, and we realize that the first chapter was in the pov of the recklessly suicidal antagonist.
Maybe the demon king's motive is that the MC DID manage to isekai and was largely invulnerable, but he was very annoying and insufferable to the point where the demon king rolled back time to before he died, so he keeps him from dying so he never has to deal with him. It could be very funny if the demon king was the straight man of the situation.

>>24551350
>the Four Heavenly Kings spend days online trolling the hero to prevent him from leaving his PC

>>24551352
>Sir! the hero is trying to stick a fork in an electric outlet again!
>Send him the loud pornographical pop-up to his computer! Quick!

>>24551352
>The demon king has his scribes frantically creating new isekai novels that the hero really enjoys
>They are the only reason he hasn't decided to kill himself just yet because he wants to know how they end
>In the future the demon king tried explaining to the guy that demons were in-fact not evil and didn't wish to conquer the world
>The 'hero' was convinced he was lying and tried to fight the demon king
>The demon king, in his magnanimity spared killing him and just bruised his ego
>Hero kept coming back month after month, getting stronger until the demon king had to take him more seriously
>Eventually the hero nearly killed him, forcing him to use his lifesaving treasure that sent him back in time

>>24551350
>QT gf likes the hero and everything he does
>every waifu trope you can imagine
>is actually a QT demoness sent by the demon king to distract the hero, hates him with burning passion, wants to vomit when he touches her
>says she's saving herself for their marriage
>lusts after demon king, thinks doing this will in-debt him to her

>>24551350
if you write this please link it here, I'd like a laugh

>>24551371
The idea has been in my head for a while. I've never written anything and thought something light-hearted and comedic like this would be a good first story. I think I'm going to start outlining it now.

>>24551360
>But we don't have any artists on-hand to make the image.
>Use Chat-GPT you idiot!
>Okay but what prompt should I use?
>Big breast elf woman, ghibli style, bending over, gap in collar, cleavage visible, high-definition
>Okay it's done! Phew.

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>>24551202
This just doesn't seem like a sane reaction to getting a bad review. A bad rating, maybe. But a bad review means the guy took time out of his day to read your story and give you feedback. Which is always good.

>>24551385
He read one single chapter and gave me a 0.5 with AI-generated arguments that didn't elaborate on anything.
Worst of all, the author is from here!
I question his goodwill.

>>24551385
Feedback is good but it is attached to a clearly malicious action.

>>24551388
Anon. You can't call someone’s review AI generated just because you don't like it. He very clearly gave you a fair shot.

>>24551392
>>24551388

Update

The person used an old account for a review, and now rating me 1 star with his actual account brcause he is too afraid to reveal their identity.

>>24551396
Dude, stop focusing on how many stars you have and consider taking the feedback given

what's the canon? what's a web novel i should read if i'm intrigued but wholly ignorant

>>24551403
Shadow Slave

>>24551403
Try the ones in the op, the rentry one. : )

>>24551396
Anon, you're legit schizophrenic. Meds

>>24551408
Receiving 0.5 and 1-star ratings in the same day by someone who had only read one chapter?

I hope you are having fun destroying something I've wasted time and resources on. Jelly of me as hell?

>>24551411
You post multiple times a day on a Bengali shrimpfest forum, one of the most toxic places on the internet. You’re going attract anonymous critiquers, and they’re not always going to give you a nice review anon.

>>24551411
NTA but there's a lesson here
I personally wouldn't drop a 0.5* rating just to tank somebody's fic but most of the feedback is valid and I felt the same way after reading 7 chapters. I think 3-3.5* would be more accurate

>>24551422
Thanks for admitting your guilty. Now, KYS.
>>24551425
The lesson is that this retard got mad a couple of threads ago for posting my cover. From now on, I'm going to post it in every single thread.

>>24551422
4chan has unironically become one of the friendliest places online. Even here people are willing to give any vapid drivel a chance and judge it fairly without getting personal right away. Unlike on more mainstream sites where you can get eaten alive for the most random perceived offenses.

>>24551429
Lol, you’re already responsible for at least 50% of posts in these threads man

>>24551437
I post here when I finish a chapter or like in the last thread where I proposed the author pastabin, and naturally the time you made me waste here.

But don't worry, from now on, every thread will have as my cover and link to the story. KYS

>>24551449
I don't see how you think acting like an annoying tard is going to garner you anything but negative attention
your gregacious vivacious veneer of "we're all gonna make it bros!" boils away real fast when you do this
kinda tempted to review bomb you as well just because of what a nasty shark you clearly are

>>24551456
My rating is below 4. It's over for me, so I at least want to identify who the retard and take his story down with mine.

>>24551449
Mind boggling that the schizophrenic autist was right about you and the bro posting ESL thing. You’re nuts, and if all you’re chasing after is five stars and RR fame then you need to kick this retard 4chan act. Change your cover to appeal to the sloppers who hand out 5 star reviews

>>24551460
You are the worst piece of garbage I have ever met.

You are obsessed with me for petty reasons to cope with your pathetic life, and in doing so you’ve killed my pride. Do you find that funny? If so, I’ll make sure to have my share of fun ruining yours.

Oh wait, your story is probably shit, explaining why you’ve wasted so much time obsessing over me instead of writing.

>>24551429
How about trying not to be so fucking annoying. If I were a less honest person I would leave my own bad review on your fiction just out of spite for shitting up these threads.

it's already falling apart bros

>>24551403
Read Worm.

>>24551470
Annoying why?
You are posting.
Please be honest and simply tell me if you don't want me to post here.

It's absurd.
You don't get mad at Israel controls RR.
You don't get mad at Writing General invasion.
You don't get mad at AI posting.
Absurd, totally absurd.

>>24551477
Listen, I get it. You're mentally ill. How about suffering in relative silence like the rest of us instead of demanding everyone's attention?

Was The Matrix the first isekai?

>>24551479
No one asked for your attention, and no one ever will.

I'm reaching out the few anons who found my story interesting for their opinions, but they can't share their thoughts because you control this thread and decide what is annoying.

Is this public space yours?

>>24551481
this zoomie never heard of alice in wonderland

>>24551488
Alice didn't level up or save the world

>>24551403
>the canon
cute
Worm is core reading because of how it set the stage as the first major webnovel
I think japanese light novels should be considered canon because of how the entire litRPG/progression fantasy genres derive from them. I'm not really well enough read there or know the history of who inspired who well enough to say what is core reading here. to throw out some options from my limited knowledge:
Re:Monster (edgy and pretty bad but I remember reading it on /a/ as the translations were coming out and I think it was the first of its kind)
Kumo Desu Ga Nani Ka (the first example I can think of a dungeon monster focused story)
Infinite Dendrogram (it's downstream of things like sword art online and log horizon but it's the only VRMMO slop I can think of that I found good)
The Legendary Moonlight Sculptor (not japanese but korean and I've only read the manhwa but I understand it to be influential. the titular root of Royalroad's name)

there are probably also fanfics that should be counted but it's not a scene I'm acquainted with at all. My Immortal is an iconic cornerstone of fanfics. the only fanfic I've read is Fallout Equestria and though I consider it pretty good I don't know if it belongs in a theoretical canon for web novels

>>24551491
isekai != progression fantasy

For me? I'd never give a bad public rating even if I don't believe in positivity-only echo chambers either. Outright disendorsements just rarely feel necessary. It's not like warning the public against an unqualified electrician who exploded my house. Even if something is total dogshit, I don't feel motivated to give a shitty rating either. Maybe it's just me but at some point, a really low rating isn't constructive feedback anymore.

>>24551510
I don't rate/review anything ever, because the odds are 99% only a bitter chimpout will follow your feedback isn't full on dicksucking. But the fact is, perfection doesn't exist, and I'm not going to pretend some total amateur's anime fanfic is worth even 4 stars.

>>24551510
I'd only rate a 5 or a .5 desu senpai
5 as a default as a way to support an author who's work I enjoy or a .5 as a supreme act of spite because of some theoretical scenario where the story rug pulls me and turns into political propaganda or something

Holy mother of melty batman

>>24551486
Have you ever heard of portal fantasy? If it's about gamelike worlds inhabited by "players" then russian gamelit were the pioneers of the genre, which the nips adopted.

>>24551366
You made pathetic wish fullfilment into NTR shit. The dualism of Japslop.

>>24551550
I have a theory that economic slavery leads to rampant Cuck fetishes down the line.
Like all the weird Cuck bullshit seems to overlap 1:1 with Confucian or Protestant worker bee belief systems taking hold.

>>24551429
I like you Kino-Man. But this is cringe. Don't become Cringe-Man, it's unbecoming of you.

I'll be honest, lads.
Most of the work I've seen posted here just isn't very good. Some other web novel/writing communities I've visited do have a much lower floor but also a higher general average and higher ceilings.

>>24551568
I'm going to write either the best or the worst web novel you've ever seen. You will be entertained regardless.

>>24551568
Hardly surprising is it. The is 4ch, only the dregs come here.

>>24551568
liar
most webnovels are actually garbage and their writers are hyper saturated with ESLs and under&. there is an obscene amount of pure garbage out there and most groups are not worth interacting with in any capacity
>>24551574
a woman scorned

>>24551568
>Most of the work I've seen posted here just isn't very good.
And? This general is like one and a half months old, give it some time. The cream of the crop is yet to be made.

>>24551574
That's not what I'm saying. More accurately, the stuff I've read here is middling quality whereas in some communities, there are clearly a few writers far ahead of the pack

>>24551581
Like I said in my post, the floor out there is significantly lower. I've just yet to see anything noteworthy here

>>24551593
This is a fair response. Both web novels and this general are in their infancy for sure

>>24551601
you didn't only say that the floor is lower but that the general average is lower which is not at all the case when 80% of writers are writing barely comprehensible babble, not even worthy being of called slop
we don't have anything outstanding but the average is wayyyy higher just by virtue of not being flooded by complete drek

>>24551568
I'm sorry. I hope my next work is better and can meet your standards.

I think it an interesting phenomenon that we anons are alive, at this time, at what seems to be the crux of when the barely nascent webnovel scene begins to finally become, in a sense.

As an aside, do most readers on RoyalRoad strictly subscribe to a diet of Sandersonian pseudo-Californian prose, or can they tolerate and might even enjoy more ornate prose.

>>24551460
Schizophrenia is simply God's gift to see beyond the veil, don't hate

>>24551628
Yes, and I enjoy when stories have more ornate prose. The only thing that's important for web novels is that it's accessible to anyone. Strike a balance and try to avoid overly complex language and metaphors.

>>24551601
>Both web novels and this general are in their infancy for sure
I'm sure there's an anon here typing away at his backlog, who will find glorious succes in this new age of slop.

>>24551641
hey hey that's literally me haha

>>24551639
It also just works against you. I love beautifully written and complex prose, with awe inspiring sentences that almost make you jealous with how well they are constructed, but for a webnovel with 500.000 words? Yeah no fuck that. Give me something that is "easy" to read.
I think it is best to create a flowy writing style that makes both reading and writing a joy. Not thoughtless garbage, but not something that will exhaust you either.

which genres are undersupplied but in demand? asking for a friend

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>>24551646
cnc

>>24551645
Oh I absolutely agree. The way I see it is that with a typical novel sometimes you may pause to think about what the author is trying to convey and tease out the meaning. With a web novel you should be able to continue reading without needing to think about the meaning because it was given to you in an easily digestible way. Dress up the meaning, make it pretty, make it overly descriptive at times to really push the emotion you want to push. But also, don't overdo it because people want to see movement and not be bogged down in details constantly. It's a balance. At least that's how I see it.

>>24551639
>>24551645
Do you think prose that, while ornate, is quick to digest and is remarkably vibrant like Howards would do well on RR? Or is prose like that too similar to the em-dash spam, machine gun one-word-sentence staccato of AI writing for people to enjoy?

>>24551657
NTA but I think writing like Howard could be a good fit. Web novels are the pulp of today
You'll probably still need to dial back some of the ornateness and err more on the side of even easier reading though.

>>24551646
Old-school fedoracore UrbFan aimed at guys is making a slow but certain comeback.

Space Opera has a small niche but loyal niche.

Schizotech Post-post apoc i.e stuff where the world has begun to heal and poorly understood ancient tech lives alongside pastoralist or piratical simpler lifestyles. Granny is a simple cheese & sausage merchant but the glowing box in her backyard provides power if you put water in it and when you ride your heirloom flyer to the academy you see vast sprawls of scorched earth getting reclaimed by Vegetation, making you wonder what weapons from The World Before could cause such devastation.

>>24551657
Prose is always inately subjective. Not to say that there aren't differences in quality but I vehemently believe that some forms of prose just don't jive with some people. There are so many normies on the internet that would call anything with the slightest hint of verbosity purple prose, as if the only thing they read are cookbooks and popslop articles, yet a lot people seem to agree with them for whatever fucking reason.
The main problem WN's face is that consistently complex writing is going to be very tiresome very quickly, and as a writer that will eat away at you if you want to keep up with the uploading schedule required to make it in the scene.

>niggas be like hey lemme emulate this master of the genre real quick

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If there's no scene you create it.
Simple as.

>>24551701
>my main literary inspiration is Clark Ashton Smith
i think i’m going to go insane if i try to write prose like his for over 500 chapters.

>>24551702
You need to Clancymaxx.

Now THIS is an interesting and potentially self-masturbatory topic to talk about.

Which (presumably trad) authors have inspired your writing the most? If 5 star reviews compliment your writing as being reminiscent of someone, which names being mentioned would have you jumping for joy?

Anyone else feel like the latest TWI chapters have been overly horny?
I liked the original Mating Rituals chapters and the comments every now and then about characters sleeping with each other and whatnot
But lately it feels kinda forced idk
Also thank fucking god the Palace of Fate arc is over, the last chapters have been a pretty decent return to normal although at some moments I was starting to lose interest with the weird seemingly meaningless tangents
Like why do we care about that Earl that meets with the Erribathe King
Or the whole first half of the last Toren chapter, that's like the fifth time we go over the "introduction" to the New Lands and its problems with mana etc
I blame the discord "editors" and beta readers clique slurping up whatever the author comes up with

>>24551723
nobody reads web novels here
and there are probably fewer than 10 anons writing web novels here

>>24551735
sneethe

>dude I reviewed messaged me and now I feel bad
:(

>>24551743
whyever would their response to your kind and constructive review make you feel bad?
you DID leave a kind and constructive review... right? anon...?

>>24551385
Self-destruction in the truest sense of the word. Should've just dealt with it instead of coming to cry here blaming random anons for it. The emotional immaturity is palpable when denied a personal army thus he now threatens shill-bomb in every single thread >>24551429 It's egregious how he's utterly incapable of conceiving that the consequences of his own actions will dig him an even deeper hole.

>>24551723
I just think pirareaba has reached their plateu. Got tired of the same narretive beats every time.
Oh , new lands are full of seith? Cool! Now why would you ruin that with another undead endgame threat when we've had a bazilion undead world threars so far? What good did the skeleton king asspull do? And on top of that , Torren avoided it by using the unearned power of MC energy.

After 15m worlds I suppose it makes sense you can't write something new but it doesn't feel lime that when I am reading it. It just feels loe copetency regression.

>>24551735
I read wns and have read twi but I dont keep up chapter to chapter

Wow, the fully deserved scathing review mirroring exactly what people have been telling him for 2 years when he first posted chapter 1 in /wg/ made FF rank anon have a meltie. truly, no one saw this coming

>>24551780
Your series is complete garbage. 0.5
Accept it and just grow as a writer

>>24551758
I tried to be as constructive and kind as possible but it feels like I pissed on his ambitions and dreams now.
That and I'm second guessing myself about not reading carefully enough.

>>24551789
Go back in your contamination thread

>>24551806
this is my containment thread

>>24551806
There was no /wng/ up until a couple months ago, and as a /lit/ historician I can state that anon is an indigenous native akin to those that somehow migrated from Africa to North America. If you didn't know this fact this makes you the equivalent of an anglo immigrant

>>24551628
>As an aside, do most readers on RoyalRoad strictly subscribe to a diet of Sandersonian pseudo-Californian prose, or can they tolerate and might even enjoy more ornate prose.
Most readers undoubtedly prefer workmanlike prose, and actively avoid flowery prose.
>>24551568
Unfortunately, 4chan's reputation discourages people with something to lose from associating with the site.

>FFF Class Anon, short for Frank’s Foolproof Fundamentals Class Anon has a schizo meltdown over a 0.5 star review knocking him down to 4 stars
>look up stories on trending/rising stars
>stories with 4 stars, 4.1 stars, 4.5 stars, etc. still show up

????

>>24551866
I’m 3.5. The retard posted another one-star review with their main account soon after.

>>24551883
damn you are watching this thread for slights like a hawk

>>24551883
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/64223/dungeon-diver-stealing-a-monsters-power
this is 3.57 and it's in the top 10 most read weekly

the issue is that yours doesn't have mass appeal AND it's awful. dungeon diver is awful but it's unabashedly sloppa.
kino, if i dare say

>>24551894
You are doing the same retard

>>24551896
This is not niche and will attract attention regardless because of its target audience.

>start a story where a mage who grew up in isolation is adopted by a noble family and goes to magic university
>the first chapters are about the MC getting to know the family members and learning about their background
>suddenly realize it's all talking and I'll lose the zoom-zoom audiences because there's been 10 chapters without epic battles or the MC humiliating some clown
>I'll have to cut most of the 15k words I wrote over the past week to jump straight to action
slopping is hard

>>24551901
thanks for repeating my exact words back to me retard

>>24551568
Survivor's bias: A lot of authors like me are stuck in the writer's grind to have a few spare chapters before we can do a solid release. You can't judge a general in its infancy based on one or other story which maybe wasn't even popular amongst anons themselves. These absolute gems in the making aren't usual alley-served schlock, they take their time!

>>24551904
Deadbro: a shotgun-spraying, power-armored mess who hoards junk and couldn’t hit water after falling off a boat.

Deiwa: a tsundere sniper who ragequits mid-argument and sulks like a Discord mod who lost admin privileges.

Raven: the “straight man” who just repeats the same catchphrases every time something goes to hell, which is about every five minutes.

You should be ashamed of having written this utter garbage.

>>24551903
So long as you read and enjoy slop yourself, just focus on writing something you would want to read, and you'll have an audience. Don't force action for action's sake, bastardizing a story like this is a sure path to failure

>>24551896
Nigga this story is over 6000 PAGES long, it's been building its audience tirelessly like clockwork for two motherfucking years, don't even compare it to this guy who loses his mind after one week at it

>>24551907
this
the scope of slope is much wider than non-sloppers can comprehend
slope is truly the finest definition because if it's indulgent then it's good. the nature of the indulgence is secondary

FFF anon i've sent you a private message.

>>24551906
I know you're having a meltie rn but I just woke up and literally have no clue wtf you're talking about. Is this from the guy who left your review? I seriously doubt he's even a 4channer.
Retard, people have been giving you those exact critiques for YEARS. Someone from royalroad finally read your shit and left a justified review.
You are so fucking ngmi man, you absolutely refuse to take any critique or have a shred of self awareness. Worse, you're super obnoxious about it. I've been ignoring you best I can but I really hate that you've infested /wng/

>>24551909
I've written 100,000 words in a month. Don't ever dare to critiqur my story or my skills as a writer, you fucking piece of human shit.

>>24551916
First KYS
Second Your novel is pathetic
Third the review itself admits of just being mad at me writing here.

>>24551917
haha you got a bad review cuz your story sucks ass and now everyone knows
hahahahahahahaha

>>24551917
Stop false fagging the poor author, anon.

>>24551923
>admits of just being mad at me writing here
it doesn't though, the criticisms are valid

>>24551907
It's just, when I see a review of another story criticize certain elements in that story, I immediately start to identify those points in my own story and assume I'm doomed.

>>24551915
Thanks bro. I just don't know what to do now.

No matter how much advertising I'm doing now, no one will ever trust a 3.5.

>>24551923
>Third the review itself admits of just being mad at me writing here.

>Unfortunately, I have to agree with Blas on this one. I tried to get through chapter one and it was a chore and a half. The first chapter has a word count of 4,366 and yet very little happens. Starting off with a magical infodump then straight into an extended internal monologue is a good way for readers to drop it right away. The multiple fakeouts aren't cute, they're annoying. It kills immersion for readers when there's no stakes. The bloated sentences, excessive metaphor and purple prose are also hard to swallow since it's massively off-putting. Jacques/Rinaldo are smug (and not the Charismatic kind) and too verbose of a narrator to care about since they have no actual flaws (the mild imposter syndrome doesn't count). Also, he's unusually passive. The dialogue? They don't talk like people, which again, kills reader investment. You clearly put a lot of effort and thought into this (the world maps, the obvious multiple drafts (which at minimum to be around 5 revisions, the magic/political system), but this just isn't it. Show some editorial restraint and focus on entertaining readers, since most of us aren't looking for the next literary LitRPG masterpiece, just something that's easy to read and entertaining with relatable characters.

Where?

>>24551929
>since most of us aren't looking for the next literary LitRPG masterpiece, just something that's easy to read and entertaining with relatable characters.

Defend this. NOW!

>>24551931
>I just don't know what to do now.
Take the overwhelmingly consistent critiques you've been given and improve as a fucking writer. Christ
I would start on your dialogue and infodumping. Those are particularly bad

>>24551932
The retard deleted the first version.

>>24551931
>No matter how much advertising I'm doing now, no one will ever trust a 3.5.
Remove the redditor pandering
>NO HAREM: That said, there will be multiple love triangles with only one featuring the MC.
Make it a harem and stop writing about non-MC romance.

>>24551935
"us" is royalroad readers you fucking retard. his us, not our us. are you serious?

>>24551925
I damn wish; this fella lost the gift of doubt considering his predictable coercion conduct against anons who dare call out his bs.

>>24551932
>The bloated sentences, excessive metaphor and purple prose
>this just isn't it
imagine having an complete melty over a zoomer dropping a drive by shitpost

FFF class anon, you are, i dare say, an ad campaign and a huge dose of antisemitism away from attaining the excessively dubious honor of becoming the F Gardner of webnovels.

>>24551943
my seussian nigga

>>24551942
>>24551941
Is this US in this room right now? Let's tell horror writers to delete their stories because there is no harem or zoomer pandering.

Royal Road is a wide place and rich of alternatives. Not all stories should suck your dick.

>>24551931
You have to wait it out. My hands are full at the moment, but when I get the free time, I'm willing to give a constructive but generally positive review. I'm not hard to please or whether I am, but I'm not picky. This is the cause and effect on the web novel world. If you feel it's an unjustified review, then you have to contact one of the mods. But that review you left is going to be taken into account. Play it safe, be bureaucratic.

that review was left by a royalroad reader. you are so pathetic

>>24551955
I'm waiting for the moderators. Anyway, don’t feel obligated to waste your time on me.

I'm my own man.

>>24551956
Was left by a user here, mad at me for posting here. His account was dead for 6 years, resurrected to strike me

>/wng/ becomes more active
>/wg/ becomes less active
>/wng/ becomes more schizophrenic and dense with shitposts
>/wg/ becomes more on topic and productive
im noooooticing

>>24551964
i doubt the moderators will remove a 0.5 review that gives extensive valid reasoning and breaks no rules.

>gets one positive pity review from one (1) anon here
>immediately thinks he's above fair criticism
sad!

>>24551971
rn it's a genuine local going schizo, however the past few days it's definitely been the /wg/ troll who followed us over

Here’s an artist asking me to get her commissions
She’s doing cover art and whatever else

>>24551971
When someone stirs the pot enough any general is bound to morph into kiwifarms-lite

>>24551978
she reached out to you directly? how brazen!

>>24551978
I've decided that I am going to marry this woman

>>24551974
>Show some editorial restraint and focus on entertaining readers, since most of us aren't looking for the next literary LitRPG masterpiece, just something that's easy to read and entertaining

Here your Postive review

>>24551981
Yep

>>24551974
he thought he was above criticism well before this. he's been pulling this 'everything I shit is gold' act for literal years. his response to everything is "Yeah, that's intentional, trust bro, it'll be kino". I truly could not imagine a more guaranteed ngmi

>>24551978
>"thanks for the commission unfortunately I only have Venezuelan libras in my wallet therefore I shall repay you by writing your OC in my story"

>>24551986
the review implied FFF Class is the next literary litrpg masterpiece?

>>24551974
Creatives are whores.
You get a whore flowers once and she thinks herself a queen for the rest of time.

For FFF anon, I haven't read it but there's one bit on that review that stoo out to me:
>since most of us aren't looking for the next literary LitRPG masterpiece, just something that's easy to read and entertaining with relatable characters.
I find this to be very unfair, what if someone wants to put their next masterpiece on RR? People are free to put their writing there, and it's up to the readers to see if it's their type of book or not. It would be like reading a lit classic and going
>Ugh, that purple prose, why can't this be plain slop?
>>24551433
I've noticed that most toxic people in 4chan lately are tourists, they just explode and are rude while channers bant.
>>24551510
I don't negative rate works, I just give them the cold shoulder, but any work that isn't +4 stars aren't worth to read desune.

>>24551931
would just let it rest? Your work is barely a 2. You have been given the same very specific criticisms for years and have made no attempt to fix it or take the criticism.
And I trust a 3.5 star work more than a 5 star work. Because no way anyone on RR is writing above a 4
As it stands I encourage everyone ITT to give your work an honest 2 star rating

>>24551932
I-It’s grok! Its AI! He doesn't expand on his points!

>>24551971
You take away FFF and 90% of the spam in this thread clears up

In fact I am urging him to get a tripcode

>>24552034
There will be no beauty in this world as long as jelly people like this dude exist.

How long can I get away with a fake out protagonist before replacing him with the real one? My intuition tells me readers will feel betrayed if it lasts longer than the first chapter, but I want to go a bit longer to make it have a bigger impact. I'm just worried that the average reader for a serial would be against that type of storytelling, either because they feel the early chapters are pointless because of it or because they want to stick with the original character.

>>24552018
This part stood out to me too, though I also warned F-anon sometime ago that his plainspoken litrpg summary and title would betray his own prose. This user very likely was somebody browsing for easy action litrpg and got baited by F-anon's litrpg-centered tags and blurb, but when he entered the first chapter he got hit in the head by a brick of polysyllabic subversion and was aggrieved for being caught in a proverbial rat trap and wrote that review as an unconscious form of vindication.

VILLAIN ORIGINS: This story follows the rise to power of this setting's main villain. Although Rinaldo isn't a real villain at the start, he will act as a morally gray character, committing whatever actions are necessary to achieve his goals. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

A VAST CAST OF CHARACTERS: Each narrative arc will spotlight a different protagonist, with the MC appearing as a secondary character, a background one, or even as the main villain.

SCHOOL SETTING: Expect magic lessons, teenage drama, and even a unique fantasy sport. However, more than half of the story takes place outside the academy because the MC frequently skips his classes.

NO HAREM: That said, there will be multiple love triangles with only one featuring the MC.

SLOW PROGRESSION: World war by Chapter 37.

IMMENSE WORLDBUILDING: With over 2,000 years of recorded history and more than 10,000 years of mythology, this story spans three continents, each unique in culture, religion, and magic-system. (See the Map)

This is worth 5 stars bro

Are we still doing a ritualistic melty

FFF-Anon here. I apologize for everything.

I now understand the real problem with this reviewer.

>>24552054
Not exactly a fake protagonist, but Bookbound Bunny spends three chapters establishing the book just to have him trapped for the actual protagonist to appear, though it was clearly said so by the author and is skippable.
It could be interesting if you get rid of the fake protagonist in the first chapter, hook the readers in,but the longer you do it, the greater the risk that readers get attached to it.

>>24552066
nah we dogpiling

>>24552070
it’s a bit too late to apologize now after throwing a melty like that innit?

>>24552070
Based sexismchad

>>24552073
Zorry. I'm a little...ahem...enthusiastic

>>24552070
It's a tranny

>>24552071
That's pretty much my thinking. I WANT the readers to get attached to some degree, it's important to my themes that they feel something when he's killed by the real protagonist, but I know that's a dangerous game to play.

f-anon isn't going to reflect on this event at all is he?

Okay anons, I just sat down with my green tea with lemon. Time to write!

>>24552083
At least, I've now a new idea for a Derserk's chapter.

>>24552077
that wasn’t enthusiasm f-anon, that was mental illness

>>24552083
At least now we know thy neighbor.

>>24552078
KEK

>>24552082
Either don't run with the fake protagonist for more than a few chapters or establish the actual protagonist in the second chapter and telegraph to readers
>This guy is important!
Bonus points if you make the fake one unlikeable so it's carthatic when he gets killed.

>>24552088

>When you realise Kino-Man isn't Kino at all...

>https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/124833/that-time-i-got-trapped-as-a-shortstack-in-a-post-apoc
f-anon immediately went and gave a 0.5 star review in retaliation

>>24552102
>Ryan Gosling pic
>Don't understand my feeling

>>24552104
You're the devil, F-Anon.

>>24552104
equal parts hilarious and pathetic

>>24552104
Do they delete reviews when the reviewer joins the 40-something percent?

Omg so many things happening in this thread SOMEONE DO SOMETHING and write this as the first /wng/ story arc in our community wiki

>>24552104
This is going to be good.

>>24552104
I'll just give a little 5 star to even it out

>consequences

>>24552102
>>24552104
My god. This isn't Kino at all! You lied to me, Kino-Man!

>>24552111
This deserves only the finest jeetcore slopmachine zogchow. :^)
>Tell Copilot to make an outline based on the events
>Hand the outline to Claude for writing
>Tell Grok to edit it
Brainless garbage for a brainless bitch fight.

>>24552111
damn, everything up til now was just the prologue, huh?

ARC 1 - UNLUCKY ANTAGONIST VS SHORTSTACK

>>24552127
>Emoji
Hello ChatGPT

>>24552117
>I'll just give a little 5 star to even it out
Oh dear, so fff-rank back luck anon's plan backfires and the tranny goes viral with a record breaking number of 5-star reviews for a single chapter release? Sweet irony.

>>24552120
he was the Unlucky Antagonist all along........

>>24552093
I was planning about four or five chapters with the fake. I do want him to be likable, the real protag killing him is a tragic moment that establishes the tone of the story and bad situation he's stuck in that makes him have to do this. I probably will find some ways to work him into those first chapters more. At the moment it's limited to the fake feeling like he's being followed.

>>24552133
Bravo Nolan, bravo.

>>24552133
Ki-kino...

How do you write teenage love in a way that isn't inauthentic or gratuitous?

>>24552143
You don't. You write it to appeal to your audience/yourself.

Presented without comment

>>24552146
... right.
Love interest chan will just straight up hug brodude from behind until he gives up and asks her out.

>>24552148
Holy melty

>>24552154
No, really, just look at what normalfags think is authentic teenager behavior and ask yourself if you really want to inflict it on your audience or yourself.

>>24552104
I left a rating and a comment, followed the story too

Sorry FFF anon, but I’d like to see this thread get more posters, and I don't believe this poster violated any NAP

>>24552148
At this rate he's going to get himself and his work banned for overtly spiteful behaviour and trolling, acting in bad faith etc

>>24551550
how the fuck is it ntr? I said the girl wants to fuck the demon king, why would an antagonist not getting the girl being cuck shit? huh??

>>24552166
>I left a rating and a comment
If you are the guy who tries to give corrections in the comment section of the first chapter, anti-materiel rifle is the correct term. I'd delete that embarrassing correction asap if I was you.

>>24552174
That’s me. My bad, I assumed it was material. I only ever used a M-9 at work

What if this is a 4d chess move to catapult their own work while destroying Kino-man's reputation?

>>24552183
It's alright, probably happens to many people when they first see the term and automatically think it must be a typo.

>>24552186
Then we all kneel out of respect.

>>24552186
Just by reading his blurb, no one would ever believe the rating was given in good faith.
By exposing him, I've already won.

>>24552186
>reputation
what reputation

>>24552167
the meltdown from a ban would be kino drama

>>24552167
I couldn't care less about what he got himself into, but now imagine if the fae's sisterhood found out there was a list where other anons' fictions were married side by side with F-anon's link. Incendiary manners that affect others should result in link omission. Heck, he submitted a report and then set out to do the exact same thing he was sobbing about. You don't have to be a genius to realize you can't have your cake and eat it too, just barely thinking.

Thread has been derailed, and slided

Y'all are going to make me doubt, if this general is worth it. It started in good spirits.

CHUDRAGING is not going to get review removed, Kino-anon.

And I'm saying this without trying to sound condescending.

My last warning to you, you're going to get yourself banned with this behavior. Instead of Review swapping to make up for the bad one, or suck someone's dick for one, you attack this person who didn't like your work.

If you plan on making it through the "RR" community, you better change your general demeanor, it's unprofessional. You've “published” your work on this platform, so pertain to it's rules. And stop throwing hissy fits over a review.

I have 2 one-star reviews, so what. They hurt me for a while so what, move on...

The redditors will find this place, eventually, with seething behavior such as this.

>>24552205
comma-anon, please learn how to use commas so you stop dealing aoe psychic damage every time you post

>>24552208
You just know its him due to his custom of using excessive commas

>>24552213
i would recognize his very strange speaking style regardless but the commas are what really offend me

>>24552217
>Offended by, commas, of all, things.

>>24552223
Rapist

>>24552208
>>24552213
>>24552217
I've never been directly been called comma-anon. I can always switch it up—bless your eyes with the glorious em dash instead.

>>24552224
Mental illness

>>24552104
>>24552166
Also, I read the chapter before I looked at the dashboard. I believe the only line referencing her huge boobs is “Dei's back hitting Ame's large chest repeatedly?”, which is late into the chapter.

my personal coomer opinion is that if a guy wakes up with huge fucking tits he can't stand, there should be more lines dedicated to how they get in the way. Shooting weapons? Highschool of the Dead levels of recoil.
Shooting prone? Boobs are in the face.
So on and so forth. As it stands the image I had in my head or your Ama was just a small woman, but (again) I am retarded and didn't look at the dashboard before reading, so make of that what you will.

>>24552226
>—
Woah, shots fired

I've decided that I'll never let my work be associated with this place. I've seen /jp/ conduct themselves with more dignity than this.

Is rentry anon here? I think I would like to have my link taken out.

>>24552239
Just cleared the Rentry actually, don't want anons getting flak for this

>>24552240
Thanks. Sucks that it only lasted one thread, but you made the right choice

>>24552240
Do you have a copy of the list? Should've just removed fff-anon. He clearly refuses to conduct himself properly?

I'll readd it if you refuseto. It's voluntary after all. Maybe add rules as well.

>>24550224
>I'm going to finish the story, leave it up as a flawed first work, and take the lessons and feedback and criticism at the end and apply it all towards the NEXT big story.

You can also go the Light Novel author wrote and edit things for the kindle/ebook version, if that's an option.

>>24552261
I saved it. My vote is for we to wait a few days before deciding to keep it.
>I'll readd it if you refuseto.
Please don't, the whole reason I picked the Rentry was to prevent people from feeling unwelcome in adding their work, sorry if it sounds self-aggrandizing but I'm a responsible person.
>Maybe add rules as well.
We could, but I don't want to be the arbitrer of the actions of others.

>>24552261
>>24552273
If you take away FFF from the list and leave the other four or five up, he’s probably just going to start harassing them as well.

0.5 review is gone. I'm convinced this was all an elaborate ad campaign at this point

>>24552280
Cope.
Other anons on that list even helped me. My rage is aimed at the bastard who reviewed my story after just one chapter as revenge for me posting here.

Now don't create lies to fit your narrative.

>>24552240
You've done the right thing by nuking it *for now. It's only a matter of time until RR mods intervene and deal whatever decision they see fit. And after this short episode is over, a lot of the loathsome temperament witnessed here will be watered down and vanish to another medium because, putting it plainly, certain brands of autists are impossible to handle themselves in social spheres without inevitably blowing themselves up along with everyone nearby. May this be an example of the primordial pitfalls of publishing market, which requires far more from you than you require from it.

Hopefully this doesn't discourage anons from reestablishing the productive market-wisened soul this general has championed in the short past and will do so even clearly in its towering future.

>>24552203
Come to think of it, if somebody really evil wanted to, they could present the list as evidence of a rating manipulation scheme to the mods, all thanks to this guy.

>>24552294
Stop projecting autist.

>>24552292
You shouldn't have any rage at anyone over a bad review.

>>24552304
>You shouldn't have
Who are you? My mom?
It's so obvious you are that user. Just, have the balls to admit it.

I will create a new rentry on the condition that FFF puts on a tripcode so I can filter him.

i'm increasingly tempted to make f-anon's schizophrenia justified. i am undoubtedly his biggest hater after two years of watching this faggot refuse to take advice, and even I didn't go and leave a bad review
if he's going to have a meltie like this over justified criticism from a neutral royalroad reader, though, I really might go on a crusade against him. it's well deserved at this point
guess i should start making some puppet accounts and faking a read and rating history. it'll be 2 stars, those are guaranteed to not be removed

>>24552160
I wasn't being facetious or dismissive.

>>24552317
If you do it, I’ll do it too. He needs to go, or at least not shit his diaper like this over mild mannered criticism

>>24552317
>After two years of watching this guy refuse to take advice
Thanks for admitting it. You are the anon who left 0.5 star.
You have no reason to care about me, unless, of course, you're just a control freak.

HAVE A LIFE YOU LOOSER

>>24552317
>>24552323
Don't. I already reported him to the mods, explained that he’s using a forum to garner support and harass other users RR users. The second he called the other person a tranny here and left a silly comment and bad rating on her post it was over for the guy. Just play it cool, he’ll be banned soon enough

>>24552240
Kek one bad apple really spoils the bunch huh.
No wonder Katawa Shoujo took like 5 years to release -- Niggas can't stop tearing each other down.

>>24552331
Basedddd

>>24552317
>>24552331
It's just a matter of time until anyone he has ran over before pops up with an unfavorable review. And when it comes, what will he do? Say they came from 4chan and link the thread where he was chasing after another author's story and tranny status? F-anon has paved a road to hell out of his own shadow.

Rinaldo is my least favorite web novel protagonist of all time

>>24552331
Cool but hopefully it doesn't affect rabbit-anon, I like him

>>24552331
>>24552338
>>24552336
Holy shit, this place is full of obsessive little freaks.
This is not 4chan. This is total madness.
>>24552346
>protagonist
Bro can't even read the title.

>FFF- rank villain author
>has an FFF- rank villain scheme that hilariously backfires
Oh yeah now *that* is trve cinema.

>>24552351
>The review has been removed, and the mod confirmed that 4chan was explicitly mentioned in the first version.
I won.

>>24552348
he should remove his 5 star review to avoid any association

When you talk about something, you must assert the reason why you must say it the way you do first place. A chest-thumping rhetoric in contexts like these will only elicit unearned resentment in exchange for absolutely nothing, not even visibility through controversy, since generals are frequented by the same fellows who were present threads ago. This is conversation basics, anyone who doesn't know this needs to lurk more.

>>24552296
Then what does that make groups like COTEH, and the Order, hell immersive ink.

>>24552351
I wish for this thread to have many more schizo's, vagabonds and weirdo's for years to come. I wonder if they'll ever surpass the "Kino" that is F-anon.

>>24552338
>paved a road to hell out of his own shadow.
stealing this for my slop, thanks fren!

>>24552357
FFF-ANON HERE.

Do it, Rabbit Anon. You're a bro, and I don't want these parasites to come after you next.

>>24552361
they aren't allowed to organize 5 stars and review swaps. they are only allowed to do shout out swaps.
i thought?
>they do it anyway, secretly
well without proof it's not like the mods can do anything. if you have proof go make a ticket

>>24552364
Thanks, I probably will. To be fair I don't think you acted in an appropriate manner. The review you got was hard, but fair.

I can say The Order at least doesn't manipulate ratings, they just have a channel for shout out swaps. Tbh that's the big one anyway, i wish it was banned so organic RS runs could happen. But RR mods clearly endorse it

>>24552375
>The mod confirms my version in the support ticket.
>since most of us aren't looking for the next literary LitRPG masterpiece, just something that's easy to read and entertaining with relatable characters.
Don't worry, I won't remove mine.

>>24552381
I don't think you were wrong to appeal it. I think you were wrong to rating bomb them in return, as well as accuse multiple anons in this thread of being that account

as the cool fresh young kids like to say nowadays:

common rabbitanon W

>I left the FFF-Anon review

>>24552387
if you look here
>>24551385
This dude continued the conversation from the other thread.
Why? Ask yourself that why?

You're an author too, so you must understand at least a little of the disappointment that comes with a bad review. I know you do because I remember in chapter 5 or 6 of your story, you posted a comment about feeling the same way. But when I suspect that one of the anons here is that user, and somehow there is an anon keep throwing fuel on the fire, it’s hard not to put 2 and 2 together.

Anyway, let’s stop this. It’s gotten way too heated.

>>24552401
>Anyway, let’s stop this. It’s gotten way too heated.
he shrieked calmly, slamming the table with his fists.

>>24552401
Nobody likes a bad review. But your suspicion that someone on an anonymous image board left you a bad review, while probably true, is also impossible to prove. As it stands, you have now insulted many other anons in this thread. One of them probably did leave the bad review. The rest did not, but now they might.
In the very first(!) thread where we had a unified list of writers in the OP, you called someone Royal Road user a tranny while linking their work here, left a childish rating and comment of your own on their work, insisted their review was written by Chatgpt, threatened to spam your cover(?) in every thread going forward, and now there’s a chance a RR moderator might have seen that rentry and lumped other people in in your crusade over a bad review?
Come on man, if we want this thread to succeed as a community we need to work together in a hospitable manner.

>>24552424
>you called someone Royal Road user a tranny while linking their work here,
never did that. Where?

>>24552070
>>24552078
>>24552104

>>24552070
This is mine. The other two not.
>now there’s a chance a RR moderator might have seen that rentry
Blame the crying bitches.

first anon might have been incautious enough to mention 4chan in the review
i will not be

>>24552447
So, I was right all along.
Thanks.

>>24552442
I’m not blaming them, I'm blaming you for starting all of this drama in the thread. We had that list in the OP for not even a day and you pulled this shit.

>>24552449
Don't rise to the bait, I bet he is like me and doesn't even have a royalroad account.

>>24552450
I'm to blame, yes, for having fallen into their trap. But since when has 4chan ever been so friendly to the police?
Where I live, spies are treated very harshly, while here they are defended despite having put you at risk by using the "authorities" to target me.
Weird,

>>24552463
Okay, you need medication. Mods aren't police, nobody here is a spy. There was no trap set. You acted in an unbefitting manner and now have, through your own actions, turned the thread against you.

>still melting down
Good god.

>>24551299 (OP)
Is this moving too fast?

>>24552471
You are a writer, please understand the metaphor.

>>24552474
Amazing gengis khan-punk excerpt

>>24552474
>comma splice in first paragraph

>>24551646
time loop stories are in demand but there's a severe shortage of good ones
years of apocalypse patreon is going crazy because it's the only game in town

>assassinates all good will in the thread
bravo dipshit
unhinged narcissist

>>24552498
At least the next thread will be free of people bitching about me.

>>24551903
You can interleave the getting-to-know-the-family sections as a B plot between action/intrigue sections instead of forcing yourself to either do them all in one contiguous chunk or delete shit

>>24551646
If you can write solid OPMC stuff, the archmage story shows that's clearly in demand too

>>24552474
Hard to say as it would need more context, but it would be fitting as the end of the introduction part of your story, as it sets your character to return and start ruling as a vassal.

>>24551941
haremslop IS pandering though. the harem coom subreddits have more posters than wng by several orders of magnitude

>>24552474
>the fattest man on the continent told Tau, unfortunately
Can you change that command to a period?
>Beyond. Beyond
Maybe change one of these? Reads a bit awkward
Aside from those two small things this reads very well. Natural dialogue, not moving to fast at all. Is this setting Mongolian or Native American?

>>24552510
Unlikely since you can't keep your fucking mouth shut

>>24552489
My time loop slop will rise to the heavens, just wait around 3 years when it's finally finished

>>24552525
>I have the right to insult you
>You don't have the right to insult me.
I promise I won’t post in the next threads, but I you must promise not to insult me. Deal?"

>>24552536
Nta but you're a bitch

>>24552536
You’ll have to make the deal with the whole thread dingbat, from what I gather you’re arguing with at least ten separate posters

>>24552082
What about doing it as dual POV for a few chapters in the leadup to the two of them meeting?
>it's important to my themes that they feel something when he's killed by the real protagonist, but I know that's a dangerous game to play.
Yeah unfortunately the reaction you're hoping to inspire in your readers is exactly the kind that will lead the average RR sloptrough drinker to drop the story and maybe 1star you.

>>24552546
>None of my posts in the thread.
>Suddenly, some anon feels an uncontrollable urge to rant about him.
How?

>>24552078
agpkino title. i'd read this if it was on scribblehub and there was a smut tag

>>24552554
>posts meltycoal
>upset when people laugh at it

>>24551716
>Now THIS is an interesting and potentially self-masturbatory topic to talk about.
>Which (presumably trad) authors have inspired your writing the most? If 5 star reviews compliment your writing as being reminiscent of someone, which names being mentioned would have you jumping for joy?
Guaranteed, I have that.
Old noir novel. Last name Macdonald or Mcdonald.
"A bullet for Cinderella".
A later example of same author, his matured and even more successful style? "Any Travis McGee Novel" (I was recommended "Darker than Amber" as his later example)
>
This isn't just my opinion.
Clive Cussler, Westlake (wrote Parker series), and the list of ultra successful authors goes on and on... that personally endorse this (dead) author and his style. Famous authors have been emulating this guys paperback style, and putting their own spin on it? Since the 50s.
True story. Old woman, retired teacher, big reader. She smiled and listened to my whole long diatribe. What I was writing, how I was working on plot and style. SHE said several of "my" authors? Were endorsing HER author she recommended I take a read at. She was sweet, but very insistent.
I reed all three given books, and was very impressed.
Yeah. I could just SEE it.
This guy's style? Was all through my Parker novels, my Dirk Pitt Cusslers I liked as a teen, and others.
PIC RELATED
When your favorite authors *all* point to this one author, as the inspiration and why they started writing? You pay attention. Especially when the guys style and work? Was prolific, long lived, and financially successful.
I have to adopt some style, why not this one.

>>24552536
you don't have it in you to not chain reply for hours on end
you're self absorbed, impulsive, and genuinely low intelligence. you WILL unpredictably fly off in anger, you WILL try to warp discussion to center on you and your personal interests, you WILL throttle the life out of this thread
you physically cannot help yourself because you are either mentally ill, or so personally irresponsible and self absorbed that you see no reason to reign in your own behavior

>>24552143
For your teen love to be authentic to an adult audience you need to make the teenage love characters' behavior as retarded as possible to external observers.

There are plenty of immature manbabies who are still a teen at heart and who love anime-shounen-romcom style romance though. In fact that're probably the majority readers of any litrpg romance or harem stuff

>>24552536
You stand as the very reason /wng/ had a stillborn renpy, aborted in its very first impression, and you want the whole general to just shut up and memoryhole it?

>>24552575
Anyone who posts a walltext like this clearly ain't in a stable state of mind.
>>24552581
>Memoryhole
Never, just don't being bitches.

>>24552587
>just don't being bitches
What?

>>24552554
Wasn't me who posted all those quote links to start shit back up, but in my case and probably his it was because me and him are ameritards, so we woke up, saw the shit show from last night, and wanted to chime in because fuck you f-anon. you've been building badwill for a while, you are extremely obnoxious and shill constantly, are a bad writer, and refuse to take advice. calling you F Gardner lite is genuinely accurate

>>24552592
>Call of the FFF-Class Unlucky Gardener

>>24552536
>>I have the right to insult you
>>You don't have the right to insult me.
It's an anonymous imageboard. You don't have the right to defend shit. Whether or not you use a trip, the second you make your identity obvious in the ways you respond you already fucked up.

>>24552592
>refuse to take advice
This is the 300th time I’ve seen this exact sentence. At this point, it’s pathology.

>>24552587
schizo retard
you're disliked and it's the earned result of your long term behavior
you have no self control. chain reply to me, you pathetic idiot

Is this schizo arguing with himself now? Surely no one is stupid enough to keep replying to him anymore, right?

>>24552602
I mean FFF literally ignored the several paragraph review he was left and immediately dismissed it as chatgpt

>>24552601
>>24552603
I'm dreaming. Yes, I'm witnesing the end of times. Is this place really 4chan? No, it's way orangish.

>>24552526
I will wait warmly to read it

>>24552485
Sorry, old habits die slowly.
>>24552515
I intend that as the start. I enjoy starting chapters mid-conversation and letting the reader figure out what happened before.
>>24552522
>Can you change that command to a period?
Yes.
>Maybe change one of these? Reads a bit awkward
Yeah, that is just unpolished, there was never meant to be two beyonds.
>Aside from those two small things this reads very well.
That's actually a surprise.

>Is this setting Mongolian or Native American?
Nomads are Mongolian, I would prefer to make them more Turkic, but seems like they will automatically be seen as Mongolians.
The vassal states should be 33% of Aztec, 33% Greek, and 33% Indochinese

>>24552610
No futher elaboration.
>Show some editorial restraint and focus on entertaining readers, since most of us aren't looking for the next literary LitRPG masterpiece, just something that's easy to read and entertaining
>admit being on 4chan
.Again with this story?

>>24552613
>Is this place really 4chan?
with the way you're responding it may as well be reddit with your username plastered on every post.

>>24551735
This is all new to me. I understand nothing about WN culture. I'm just gravitated to WNG because writers are talking about writing tips and tricks. "Some other generals" (not mentioning any names, here, lol) are too concerned with what I consider platitudes. It must pontificate, it must this, it must that. And oh my god, off with your head, you misused a questionable participle phrase. My god, its Conan the Grammarian, come alive in "that" thread(s). Then, if you call them on anything? Oh, you're writing slop anyways, it doesn't matter.
Crime fiction writers? And smug turtleneck types who masturbate to getting to write the next famous essay on *whatever* that *really* matters? Yeah, these two don't get along.
As a crime noir writer? I get more out of these WNG threads, than the others.

>>24552620
Cool. Yeah as long as you call a group of nomads a horde, people are gonna think golden horde

>>24552602
yes, because it's why i hate you, retard. i stopped responding to your requests for critique forever ago but it was comical how every time someone tried to help you in this thread you dismissed them completely. over and over. you represent the worst sort of amateur who smugly thinks he's hot shit when he's bad even by new writer standards

>>24552536
Put on a TRIPCODE. Let anons filter you if they don't like you. You don't even attempt to be anonymous anyways

>>24552634
My first hater.
So cute, I'm living rent-free in his mind.

>>24552623
the /wg/ boogeyman as some pseudo intellectual monster is so silly

Zamn bros we burned through an entire thread in 12 hours. That's never happened even for old /wg/

>>24552640
The plan worked. FFF-Soldier reports to the base.

>>24552633
Oh, I guess Mongols did coin horde.
I always thought it predated them.

>>24552638
>twists the situation to create a self centric narraticd
are you aware of how narcissistic you are?
life is actually harder when you act like this. get help

>>24552620
>I intend that as the start.
It may be a little too quick, getting to action is good on web novels, but you need to pace it. It's going to be jarring if your next scene is going to be right at the court of Qencusca.
Also this sounds very good, unironically looking foward to it!
>>24552640
Drama is both the best and worst way to keep a conversation alive in a general.

>>24552646
>bro, can't be funny.
Sad hater.

What's the actual bump limit?
300?

>>24552587
Your fiction stands as just middling enough for me not to bother giving it a low rating, but you're also obnoxious enough that you keep taunting me to do it. I hope you realise you only haven't had an influx of 2* stars insofar because your wailing would shit up the hell out of this general for everyone, but someone more adamant than me might just do it. We were all looking forward to posting here while you remain as the sole individual committed to dispersing this pestilent aura.

don't listen to them f-anon, when a ton of people hate your guts and call you a bad writer, that means you're doing something right

>actually like webnovels
>thread is 90% people who want to leverage the culture for money and/or non-readers who don't care at all
I'm gonna form my own cabal and dm the authors who are chill and write nice stuff

>>24552659
310

>>24552665
perfect timing, next thread can be the seethe fest about marketing mindsets

DO NOT MAKE A NEW THREAD IF WE ALREADY HAVE TWO IN THE CATALOG.

>>24552670
that's the thing
It's all about engagement

>>24552661
Thanks. Aggain, I’m sorry for how I handled the situation. But when someone attacks your children, you feel the need to defend what matters most in your life.

Anyway, if you know of any way I could apologize and help calm things down, I’m open to it.

24552662
I had that feeling… but what hurts the most... is that I genuinely thought of people here as.. true friends.

wym? justifiably having three /wngs/ in the catalog is such a flex
definitely DO go do that, breadmaker

>>24552676
bro YOU are the vibe kill

>>24552672
you can tell the shitposting cabal is from some terrible fast board like vg when they make new threads the second something hits bump limit instead of waiting for the old one to actually fall off the catalog

>>24552676
>I had that feeling…
my god he responded to my comment mockingly affirming his narcissism and thought it was serious
you might legit have NPD

>>24552677
/wg/ gramps must be so proud of us

>>24552679
Call me a vibe killer, insult me, say whatever you want… and still, I can't bring myself to hate any of you. I remember too well our good times together.

Maybe I'm just destined for suffering. Maybe this is God's way of giving you a story, something to write about."

>>24552677
Watch as jannies lose their shit when we spam the catalog

>>24552691
bitch just chill out, stop shilling constantly, and don't ask for critique when you don't actually want it, and nobody would have an issue with you

>>24552672
oops

>>24552676
You can apologize by
1. Getting rid of the bad review you gave the other user out of spite.
2. Stop posting your personal drama in the thread. None of this would have happened if you didn't beg for help and try and treat us as your own personal rating army >>24551018 >>24551024 >>24551026 what did you even think would happen here? This isn’t your blog.
3. Stop shilling yourself in every thread. We get it. You post here
4. Stop throwing tantrums in every thread. We get it. You have BPD.
5. Put on a tripcode so people who don't want to listen to your autism can filter your posts.
6. Improve your English so it isn't immediately obvious when you post.
7. Lay low for a few days and maybe the rentry can go back up.

>>24551805
>>>24551758
>I tried to be as constructive and kind as possible but it feels like I pissed on his ambitions and dreams now.
>That and I'm second guessing myself about not reading carefully enough.
I have two things...
thing 1 - any review, of anything. First, list e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g they did correctly, or well enough. If you can;t find corrct things, you have no business as a reviewer. Anyone can play critic. But a real critic? If you aspire to be one, that is. You *must* have the insight to see what is correct, and list it all. I don't care how damn *basic* you have to go.
Then, you have to compliment them on the things they did well, or well enough to get going. Now? You've raised th pirits of the person getting reviewed. They're reading along, interested.
NOW, you can begin to list problems. Things I would work on, are this, that, and the other.
And honetly, after a lot of thought? I recommend this.
we all give 5 stars when reviewing, no exceptions. BUT... we *do* a review, as I listed above.
They got their 5 stars.
"we" all "supported" each other.
The r-e-a-l review? Is there to read.
Everyone wins this way.
Writers? Get their incubation support they need to get started.
Reviewers? Can go *nuts* listing all the faults.
Because guys... we're up against an 8-headed frankenstein monster. Women, POC, Trannies... all marching through the institution we love (publishing) and we n-e-e-d to stick together.
=================================
Thing 2 --- are we talking about anon that always posts his "sled winter" story he's working on? The one with the cunt mother, and the priestess daughter?
If so... man, lay off that sperg. I like him, its entertaining. When the "sled" beginning gets posted each time? I look. I think of it as if... he "blesses the thread" with his (now obligatory) sled story.
(and one of these days, I'm going to rewrite the first chapter he kept posting, see if anyone thinks I can edit)

>>24552697
No, FFF drama please

>>24552694
>I SHALL EXECUTE /wng/ FOR SAGING MY FOURTH JORDAN PETERSON THREAD

>>24552704
gay mentality
your posting style is so fucked up, from what hole did you crawl

>>24551907
>So long as you read and enjoy slop yourself, just focus on writing something you would want to read, and you'll have an audience. Don't force action for action's sake, bastardizing a story like this is a sure path to failure
this sounds like sage advice, to me.
See, you as a writer? You are or were, a reader as well. If you go back a month later, and can get some enjoyment from reading start to finish your own work? That's a win.

>>24552708
>PLEASE ANON THINK ABOUT IT THINK ABOUT THE ACTUAL PHILOSOPHER THAT IS JORDAN YOUR SLOP HAS NO PLACE IN /LIT/
>"No," said anon, "lmao."

>>24552684
Sure, dude

K-Man what was the shadow thing bumserk saw reach out to jacques

>>24552696
It's difficult when they call shill for posting.
CHAPTER IS OUT!!!
But I won't post anymore link and images.
>>24552701
Never a Tripfag and never forget who hit my child.
The rest sure.

>>24552730
the jordan peterson threads and /wng/ are the same
no literature, just drama

>>24552742
It's a major spoiler, but it's really easy to figure out.

>>24552750
Adam or Asura thing ?

>>24551916
>>>24551906
>I know you're having a meltie rn but I just woke up and literally have no clue wtf you're talking about. Is this from the guy who left your review? I seriously doubt he's even a 4channer.
>Retard, people have been giving you those exact critiques for YEARS. Someone from royalroad finally read your shit and left a justified review.
>You are so fucking ngmi man, you absolutely refuse to take any critique or have a shred of self awareness. Worse, you're super obnoxious about it. I've been ignoring you best I can but I really hate that you've infested /wng/
I personally had a positively hateful and spiteful brutal take-down of one of my DIY covers. Hey, I had to get a cover to post my story.
>
Was he a dick? Yes.
Was he right, though. Sad, but true, yes, he was objectively right.
My covers got better.
And everytime I relate this story? Its another of my multi-part homage to that wise anon, because without his hateful review, I never would have had the gumption to learn to make better covers.
Anon? You gotta learn to take that shit on the chin, and keep chugging right along.

>>24552752
I will never admit it, but let's clarify that being a shadow-like is a broader thing that might include both and more. And in each case, it's just a stage before something way greater.

>>24551970
>Was left by a user here, mad at me for posting here. His account was dead for 6 years, resurrected to strike me
You sound like a writer. Take that as a compliment, anon. That was all dramatic and shit. I just liked the way that rolled off the tongue. Resurrected to strike me. Kinda campy and cool.

>>24552777
Ok but it was adam whatever that means ok got it, whatever's bumserk 2 anyway? Seemed to be familiar with him

>>24552647
>It's going to be jarring if your next scene is going to be right at the court of Qencusca.
We'll see, where we end up.
Honestly, this project is intended as a novelette (max 8-18K words), so things might move fast (or not).
>Also this sounds very good, unironically looking foward to it!
I don't really know why, I don't even think it's that special.

>>24552784
I'm going to stop talking before there will be a Kino Derserk chapter at the end of the book, where you might guess who he is.

>>24552791
As a novelette is fine.
>I don't really know why, I don't even think it's that special.
I liked the idea, not many stories that are nomad themed.

>>24552780
>>24552753
You miss the point. When you admit to having met me on 4chan, I question your goodwill.

>>24552045
>You take away FFF and 90% of the spam in this thread clears up
>In fact I am urging him to get a tripcode
this makes me wonder where my own personal "number one fan is". He should be along anytime. Hey! I know you! I recognize your post style! I hate your post style! Anything you ever wrote, is horrible without me even reading it to find out, because of your posting style! Which I hate!
>
(big sigh)
the thing about a stalker? At least you're never alone.
kek.

>>24552806
awwww, not enough people validating your solipsistic world view? is the narrative that you're the universes special little prince getting a bit thin?
it's okay baby, you're very special. people will remember you for a day or two. you'll get hungry for more attention and fall back into your daily routine of attention begging soon enough

>>24552088
>that wasn’t enthusiasm f-anon, that was mental illness
(yoda voice)
"Mmm.
Learn to control the sperg, he must.
Only then? Can he become... great."

>>24552088
>>>24552077
>that wasn’t enthusiasm f-anon, that was mental illness
regardless where it comes from?
That's passion!
When you're pissed, and sperging at tranny-review?
THAT, is how you write with passion. When the story calls for it.
Channel the energy of the sperg, and re-direct it, to where it is most useful...

>>24552104
>f-anon immediately went and gave a 0.5 star review in retaliation
watching this? This is like watching grade school kiddies going at it. Fucking entertaining. Call him a doody-head. Smash a cupcake over his head.

>>24552112
>>>24552104
>This is going to be good.
Quick!
Let's all pick sides!
and give one, OR the other? .5 star reviews.
Rolling...
odds are for F bad review, evens are for bad tranny review.
And, *that* should calm things down nicely, don't you think.

>>24552217
>>>24552213
>i would recognize his very strange speaking style regardless but the commas are what really offend me
I'll tell you a secret. If you know where to keep it. And you promise? Not to tell.
(dramatic whisper)
"I'm the comma poster that you hate. That? Was not me."
I guess that was "plot twist for the day".

>>24552837
You better own up and give FFF a bad review now

>>24552235
>I've decided that I'll never let my work be associated with this place. I've seen /jp/ conduct themselves with more dignity than this.
Oh, this is nothing.
When multiple spergs, all sperg out with each other?
You need a tard wrangler brought in.
Coming here, and staying? Its like willingly remaining in an insane asylum, just for the entertainment.

>>24552521
>>>24551941
>haremslop IS pandering though. the harem coom subreddits have more posters than wng by several orders of magnitude
>
Oh fuck, you guy are killing me. Here goes.
Harem. I know the word. WN stuff? Is all new tome, however.
If a character falls in with a female domination girlfriend. And, she and her cousin? Share all boyfriends. Now he has two dommy-mommy's. As they pick the third and fourth "girlfriend" to add to their little fun weekends... is this writing "harem slop"? I mean without me knowing the WN term harem from coming here.
(or does the girl have to magically grow a four foot dick, like in some silly anime PNG's I see on here sometime.)
I'm asking because maybe I "accidentally" wrote something harem-like once, and could maybe fluff it up and try posting it a little at time.

>>24552581
>>>24552536
>You stand as the very reason /wng/ had a stillborn renpy, aborted in its very first impression, and you want the whole general to just shut up and memoryhole it?
my dick got hard, seeing my book on that list. God damn it.

>>24552896
>Share all boyfriends.
Sounds like cuckshit.

ROLLCALL
so who wants to be in the new and improved retry haha

>>24552913
There’s already a pastebin that was made in the new thread.

>>24552719
>>>24552704 (You)
>gay mentality
>your posting style is so fucked up, from what hole did you crawl
I write different than I post.
but the hole I crawled out of? Look at your feet, anon.

>>24552927
>outed as talking to yourself
Bahahaha

>>24552896
That's pretty different from typical litrpg girlfriend collecting haremslop but I couldn't tell you how common it really is since I don't read the subgenre

>>24552805
>You miss the point. When you admit to having met me on 4chan, I question your goodwill.
I don't do the hate-flame thing. Not my style, anon.

>>24552819
>>>24552806 (You)
>awwww, not enough people validating your solipsistic world view? is the narrative that you're the universes special little prince getting a bit thin?
>it's okay baby, you're very special. people will remember you for a day or two. you'll get hungry for more attention and fall back into your daily routine of attention begging soon enough
hey, thanks. I feel better already.
kek

>>24552855
>You better own up and give FFF a bad review now
I don't do that petty shit.
I review it? I do what i always do.
List everything I can figure out was done well enough.
then, list things I think need work.
the number of stars? Why not award 5.
the *real* review I write, will list all the bad things.
In short, you hand out the "participation trophy", but... you also list all the faults you think you see.

>>24552910
>Sounds like cuckshit.
i dont think so.
cuck is when the girl has other guys.
This is just two or more girls, sharing the same boyfriend.

>>24552913
>ROLLCALL
>so who wants to be in the new and improved retry haha
>
https://moonquillnovels.com/book/white-death
international financial conspiracy

>>24552962
girls can be cucks too, anon.

>>24552697
>>24552697
new