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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 10:10:01 AM No.24557752
smug-nig
smug-nig
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so i still have a chance to get published?

>https://www.thefp.com/p/white-man-who-pretended-to-be-black-poet
>https://archive.is/TXmug
The White Man Who Pretended to Be Black to Get Published
A young poet pretended to be ‘a gender-fluid member of the Nigerian diaspora,’ and wrote intentionally bad poems. He says he got 47 of them published.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:50:33 AM No.24557929
what
what
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Westfalen
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 11:55:22 AM No.24557941
1497875497944
1497875497944
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I honestly can't read this shit but that is pretty funny
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:24:06 PM No.24557997
>>24557752 (OP)
Lmao based
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:36:43 PM No.24558029
>>24557752 (OP)
>https://archive.is/TXmug
This is still paywalled.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:53:49 PM No.24558051
>>24558029
this:>>24557929 is pretty much the entire article
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:55:19 PM No.24558054
>>24557752 (OP)
not signing up to your shitty website faggot
kill yourself
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:57:05 PM No.24558055
>>24557752 (OP)
>>24557929
>>24557941
>>24557997
>>24558029
>>24558054
Install Bypass Paywalls Clean web extension on Firefox
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 12:59:39 PM No.24558057
>>24558055
post full website export to image?
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 1:02:33 PM No.24558060
>>24558057
What? No, with that extension you can read article which are behind paywalls.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 5:46:47 PM No.24558586
4B93E0F0-1ACD-45A3-9EE5-98C51E083892
4B93E0F0-1ACD-45A3-9EE5-98C51E083892
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Reminds me of this.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:46:00 PM No.24558738
>>24557752 (OP)
Hey river. This isn’t worth a paywall. Provide some insight or commentary or an interview or make it free.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:55:50 PM No.24558761
>>24557752 (OP)
>>24557929
How the fuck did this even happen? How did it get so bad? The world is such a joke now I can't believe it's real.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 6:57:37 PM No.24558768
>>24557752 (OP)
he looks kinda niggy, are you sure he isn't at least octaroon?
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:01:21 PM No.24558777
>>24557752 (OP)
If you randomly sampled 1000 straight white men and asked them if they read poetry on a regular basis, I reckon you'd need to run that survey 5 times to get a single yes.
It's one thing to bitch about this when it comes to novels. But poetry? Come on, man. They can have it.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:24:58 PM No.24558841
>>24557752 (OP)
The article claims this poem was nominated for the 2025 Best of the Net award but it isn't in the nominees. I'm not engaging with this shitty site but it seems to be bullshit. Can anyone give the guy's name or any published poem's title?

This shit is just a lie if nobody can post a single title and where it's actually published. This is just River Shitstain's Headcannon
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:49:26 PM No.24558930
1666050695698198
1666050695698198
md5: fc89994f6550550d323c213b97d835d2🔍
>>24558761
Social engineering by subversives and global capital. Feminism promoting conformist women who all take their cues from the subversives. Cultural rot caused by technological acceleration and the deluge of garbage media it generated.
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 7:55:54 PM No.24558945
>>24558777
Shouldn't really matter. This idea that the audience and the author need to be the same demographic is retarded. White grandmas are still listening to Motown. Black guys love Dragon Ball Z and Naruto. Publishers should be able to recognize quality and talent beyond an identity checklist. They're fucking themselves over in the long run pumping identity driven slop endlessly.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:13:03 PM No.24558999
pathetic, the lengths high iq men have to go through to stay relevant, especially in the age of ai
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:19:33 PM No.24559026
>>24558945
>This idea that the audience and the author need to be the same demographic is retarded
It demonstrates the poverty of empathy the elite have towards others.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:23:12 PM No.24559034
>>24558945
>the world should conform to my ideals!
but it doesn't. and unless you can convince university to take you in and turn you into on of their exhibits (where you will be fed and housed and insulated and give grass and trees for scenery) or you want to share a studio for the rest of your life, you're just gunna have to get over that fact mr sensitive romantic.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:28:22 PM No.24559060
>>24558060
archive.ph let's you see anything
Anonymous
7/17/2025, 8:31:17 PM No.24559066
great threadlol
we’re not that bad in france yet
>>24559034
you angloids are cucked beyond belief and your writers suck
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 9:33:41 PM No.24559274
>>24559034
The existence of weebs and wiggers proves me correct. Yentas who control publishing are retarded, and you're a faggot.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 9:50:53 PM No.24559312
>>24557752 (OP)
Is this S.A.B. Marcie?
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 9:53:07 PM No.24559317
>>24559066
mon frère
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 10:25:17 PM No.24559386
>>24559026
Great art is transcendent... as long as the artist kinda looks like you.
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Anonymous
7/17/2025, 10:36:52 PM No.24559413
cesaire
cesaire
md5: ae5a2eb36148ef6dcc205c56a54d7f39🔍
>>24559386
>For it is not true that the work of man is finished,
>That we have nothing more to do in the world,
>That we are just parasites in this world,
>That it is enough for us to walk in step with the world,
>For the work of man is only just beginning and it remains to conquer all,
>The violence entrenched in the recess of his passion,
>And no race holds a monopoly of beauty, of intelligence, of strength, and
>There is a place for all at the rendezvous of victory.
some currents go beyond race. the weeb, the wigger, the dark academia hipster thirdie.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:01:25 AM No.24559585
>>24558841
It was probably nominated and then when the farce was revealed the nomination was retracted.
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 12:09:12 AM No.24559605
>>24559274
For every dead poet with a few short paraphs on wikipedia there are 5 cemeteries full of literal hu's no one will ever remember. Now that ratio has gotten even worse, because the audience is majorly concerned with identity and you don't have the right.

If you're a fundie go for it. But don't end up another tragic balding barista mad at the industrial poetry complex. Get a real career (not a job) or at very least learn to swim with the river. Becoming a successful artist is like making a living off scratch tickets anyway, you don't need to add to the by fighting the current.
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 2:32:35 AM No.24559848
b.h.'s big day
b.h.'s big day
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>>24559585
I suspect that's what happened. Pic rel is what they sent as their nomination notification. The editors liked it so much that one of them tried their own emojipasta poem:
>https://www.bullshitlit.com/blog/lreynolds
The fact that most of the emojis went missing for "cumslut," and that they left it up in that state, makes it even shittier and funnier, I think.
>>24558761
Be the change, brother.
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 2:35:12 AM No.24559857
>>24558777
Poetry was your heritage, but you got convinced it was faggy by a conspiracy to rob you of traditional culture so that you would purchase mass produced culture instead.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 3:03:16 AM No.24559923
>>24557752 (OP)
desu sounds like a worthwhile series of tests
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 6:29:25 AM No.24560342
>>24558055
>>24558055
that extension got dmca'd like a year ago
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:03:14 AM No.24560699
>>24557752 (OP)
it's actually quite good at being bad
I always respect that
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:26:16 AM No.24560716
>>24558051
>is pretty much the entire article
Totally false. Here is the entire article:
https://archive.ph/TXmug
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:29:17 AM No.24560721
>>24560716
There is also a Daily Mail article on this:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14912627/Poet-Aaron-Barry-Vancouver-faked-woke.html
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 11:35:00 AM No.24560727
I will not. Watch me spend one more year without reading anything.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:00:34 PM No.24560819
>>24559605
LMAO. I'm not an aspiring poet, or even an aspiring writer. Project much?
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:01:35 PM No.24560821
>>24557752 (OP)
This isn't even a new kind of white guy literary hoax. He has nothing on JT LeRoy.
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:06:30 PM No.24560828
>>24560342
It's on some russian github
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:07:00 PM No.24560829
>>24557752 (OP)
>a fucking leaf
I thought they were all progressive and gay?
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:10:04 PM No.24560833
>>24559848
>Benj Shahon
Every time
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:17:11 PM No.24560841
>>24559605
You’re thinking of this the wrong way. There are not “successful artists” and “unsuccessful artists”. There are true poets and there are frauds—and then there are successful frauds and unsuccessful frauds. Almost all “successful artists” (especially in the fine arts, these days) are frauds. To be a true poet one must be born as one. And then, once born, the true poet doesn’t need to scratch the lottery ticket to see if he will “succeed”. He is already a success. Our destinies are already written before we are born. As perhaps the only true poet who frequents this board, and only occasionally, I am always impressed by the amount of pettiness and depravity that attaches itself to art, which may be the most reliable portal to transcendence in life. But the debt will be paid, your sins will be punished.
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 1:21:09 PM No.24560849
>>24560821
>He has nothing on JT LeRoy.
What did he do?
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 2:31:05 PM No.24560952
>>24558761
>poetry industry
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 4:18:45 PM No.24561114
>>24559848
I dunno man, if you google the title nothing cums up
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 4:40:55 PM No.24561172
>>24560342
still works for me
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 5:55:05 PM No.24561303
>>24560828
got a link?
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 5:58:01 PM No.24561314
>>24559312
Yes, it's mentioned in the text. Author of "Femoid":
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/234097082-femoid
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 6:41:50 PM No.24561395
>>24561303
https://gitflic.ru/project/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-firefox-clean
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 6:44:01 PM No.24561403
>>24558761
Sin.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 6:56:10 PM No.24561431
>>24558761
Easy.
Literature is gatekept by academia. You need six years to get a master's fine arts to even touch a fiction book in any way. The editors are midwit dumb ugly hoes with English degrees that can't think their way out of a cardboard box. They hear "we need more queerfolxx voices and no more white male patriarchy" from some fat diversity hire and they uncritically accept it. This has happened everywhere. So when anyone white wants to publish something the bar is set comically high. If you're white and want to be published you need:
>an inside connection i.e. you fuck the mid uggo white bitch dumbass editor
>twenty+ years experience i.e. you were in the game before it was rigged
>pretend to be black or be a woman or both because instantly the bar is set to the floor that way

"We only take take the best literature if you're not a gay nigger. If you're a gay nigger and write in retard baby speak emoji then we'll gladly help you take on the patriarcy!"
It is as retarded as it gets but this is what you get. They simply assume their propaganda has some logic behind it. In reality publishing is a subset of modern academia with is 100% turbo leftist for varying reasons but at the end of the day teachers get paid by the state, so academia is always unquestionably pro-big-government, pro taxes, pro leftism generally. In return for money the whole writing sphere (and journalism - get your masters in communications) is just a state propaganda outlet. The leftist plan apparently is to make the country minority-white. Brave New World turns out is not from cooking fetuses but rather importing foreigners.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 6:57:05 PM No.24561432
>>24557929
>Edward de Vere conspiracy
He's one of us, bros.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 7:27:41 PM No.24561494
>>24557752 (OP)
>Makes a more interesting persona to get attention from editors
>"Ha, take that, see the bias?"
Gonna take a wild guess and say this retard is now blacklisted and never getting published period now. Should've kept up the ruse or kept it anonymous.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 7:32:28 PM No.24561509
TwoPoemsByAaronBarry
TwoPoemsByAaronBarry
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>>24560699
Ironically that's probably what got some of the attention. Looking up this guy's previous work (admittedly while being more into novels than poetry) shows he's pretty bland.
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Anonymous
7/18/2025, 7:37:52 PM No.24561522
BarryWritingPrompts
BarryWritingPrompts
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>>24561509
oh god he had like 6 published works before this and 4 of them were just books of writing prompts. And from the ones he put on his instagram, not even good writing prompts.
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 7:38:30 PM No.24561523
>>24558761
women
Anonymous
7/18/2025, 7:53:43 PM No.24561550
>>24558945
>Shouldn't really matter. This idea that the audience and the author need to be the same demographic is retarded.
The problem is, I'm pretty sure he got rejected when trying to submit these as a white guy because they were full of racial stereotypes and shit like that. When he pretended to be Nigerian they figured "well it's stereotypical, but they're also the thing being stereotyped so hey, benefit of the doubt, maybe this comes from some real experience".

There's some hard difference between writing about a racial stereotype while being part of that race and not.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:10:03 AM No.24562282
>>24557929 >>24557752 (OP)

>He "claims" the poems are "intentionally bad"

Anyone else have a really hard time believing this?

>>24561314

Writing and submitting 50+ poems, in a sort of Honor Levy parody voice. And also a whole novel, the SAB Marcy thing, which seems to have been in the same style.

It doesn't seem like the behavior of someone who is making some sort of political statement. It seems like he just wanted people to read his shitty poems?

Add to this that this guy seems to have published poems under his own name as recently as 2023. Which are indistinguishable from one of the ones the Daily Mail article has, meant to be one of the "intentionally bad" ones by the black tranny he has imagined

https://niftylit.io/publication/glistening-the-world-ends/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14912627/Poet-Aaron-Barry-Vancouver-faked-woke.html

I also accidentally googled OP's link instead of going to the article, and the top result was a really similarly worded post in the "Red Scare Books" reddit.

So, realistically, Hi Aaron. Why are you pretending the poems are bad now, are you embarrassed by the poems, or spending years pretending to be a black troon to get them published, or both?

In the Red Scare Books reddit they are making the point that this would have been a good bit if he'd not targetted magazines which focus on publishing minorities. I am inclined to agree with them, it defeats the purpose.

If that was indeed the purpose going in, which it obviously wasn't. I'm not being salty about his "success", this is just pretty sad. Not sure why you would brag about it to a journalist

He definitely isn't lying about being white though, that is one of the pastiest people I have ever seen. Looks uncannilly like if F Gardner had brown hair. Go to (sun)bed, Aaron...
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:14:11 AM No.24562292
>white man invents new genre of poetry, "prank poetry"

why does it take the white man to push poetry forward, but minorities are too busy writing about resentment and identity
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:16:06 AM No.24562296
>>24562282
>Go to (sun)bed, Aaron...
He’s gonna be bright orange. And you know what we think of orange man….
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:18:48 AM No.24562305
>>24562282
>In the Red Scare Books reddit they are making the point that this would have been a good bit if he'd not targetted magazines which focus on publishing minorities. I am inclined to agree with them, it defeats the purpose.
The article says he got published in 30 literary journals. I somehow doubt that they are all focused on publishing minorities?
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:27:06 AM No.24562331
>>24558761
Pluralistic society only works if each plurality has a kind of cultural tradition that conforms to the whole.
The state recognizes that some people weren't able to develop this tradition historically so they hand out generous concessions to aid in their construction.
When the state doesn't do this, the traditions that develop are likely to be divergent or hostile to society at large.
Consider the black Maoists or radfems of the 1960s.
Nowadays, black politics and feminists exist within the umbrella of the global capitalist order but it wasn't guaranteed to turn out like that.
It's a little like the King of some place patronizing an ethnic historian to write the history of his people. He's far more likely, in this scenario, to write a history that aligns with the kingdom at large.

Of course, it sucks for you and me, but that's how empires work. One group gets crushed to raise another up for the purposes of stability.

I think reinvesting energy into class politics is probably a good way to counter but most people prefer the race war it seems.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:33:31 AM No.24562349
>>24562292
All those damn minorities write about is resentment and identity. Thank God the white man has returned, our Canadian sunscreen savior, to tackle the meaningful topics that poetry has forgotten in his long dark slumber. For example, resentment. And also identity

>>24562305
I agree, with you, it seems unlikely every single one was focused on that, but I haven't seen an itemized list of each of the 30 - 50 poems and their publishers, just the ones from the two articles. This piece, from the last time he did a "big reveal", says:

>Worth noting is that many of the lit mags in which Ceylon/Nwankwo published openly state their preference for work from certain groups of people.

https://litmagnews.substack.com/p/let-my-love-open-the-lit-mags

Which, even though that's an obviously biased source, does seem to broadly track. Without wasting too much time on this depressing moron
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 12:57:27 AM No.24562406
>>24562349
>>Worth noting is that many of the lit mags in which Ceylon/Nwankwo published openly state their preference for work from certain groups of people.
This actually makes this retard even more pathetic. I guarantee you the ones the article is talking about are probably dedicated towards being platforms for minority authors, meaning this fucking numskull is out here like
>Hm, Magazine for Black Poets wouldn't publish me when I told them I was a white guy, but when I told them I was a black woman they accepted me! Take that libtards, see your bias!
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:01:20 AM No.24562417
>He told me that, yes, it was another pseudonym
> His voice was young, friendly, Canadian; he said that he is white, though his camera was off. I was talking to a profile picture of a cartoon elephant
what if he's just pretending again
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:06:17 AM No.24562428
>>24558761
Liberalism
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 1:09:31 AM No.24562439
>>24562406
Yeah, exactly my point. he's either incredibly retarded, or wasn't actually trying to own the libs at all: he just wanted people to pay attention to his poems. I would guess the latter. Easy to imagine him fantasizing about the black tranny he was pretending to be becoming famous, and him doing his reveal then, when people actually cared.

>>24562417
Kek, good point, for all we know he could be an Indian called Arun Biryani. Though the Indian rarely poses as the Black
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 2:58:00 AM No.24562805
>>24562439
The irony all he accomplished was probably getting blacklisted.

Hell, his "intentionally bad" poems are more interesting than any of his work that I've seen. One of the ones you can find online was literally a fucking knock knock joke that's been done better by like a dozen tumblr users and even more youtube animators. At least his shitpost ones had some level of crude comedy to them that made them unique on some level.

The real irony is, the people he's trying to score points with don't give a shit about poetry, but the poetry community is just gonna know him as that shithead who catfished publishers and editors to get published. He's permanently damaged his reputation for some upvotes on a conservative subreddit.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:02:56 AM No.24562820
>>24559317
wesh cousin
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:14:52 AM No.24562852
file
file
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>>24560841
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:15:30 AM No.24562855
>>24558777
now sample 10000 niggers
youd need to run the test 100 times
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:16:17 AM No.24562857
>>24562428
This.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:30:12 AM No.24562905
>>24562805

>The irony all he accomplished was probably getting blacklisted.

Definitely, it's a tacky gimmick. What editor would risk their career at a publisher by taking him on? And I couldn't agree more with this:

>The real irony is, the people he's trying to score points with don't give a shit about poetry

What is the gameplan - is there a poetry hour on Canadian Infowars I'm unaware of?

At least this is probably rock-bottom for the "straight white male author", surely it can't get more embarrassing.

>>24562855
Functionally untrue, they love their "ghetto poetry", and while you can argue that it's not of a quality, you can't argue that it isn't "words that rhyme in a structure". You might not like it but I'm afraid blacks think about "poetry" more than whites, on average
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:44:42 AM No.24562944
>>24562406
Where's "white poets magazine?"
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:46:30 AM No.24562951
>>24562944
>Guys the most statistically common type of poet really needs a magazine to promote their voice
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 3:51:23 AM No.24562963
>>24562905
>What editor would risk their career at a publisher by taking him on?
If you read the article you'd find he actually did have an editor who was under the impression he was an uneducated black woman doing a semi-autobiographical book, which did actually get published. When he confessed the truth the guy promptly took the book down and called him out, claiming outright he never would've edited it if he knew it wasn't autobiographical and was just a white guy larping about being a minority.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 4:01:26 AM No.24562985
>>24562944
Don't ask me. To quote the Good Doctor Mandela, if you think we are lacking a white-nationalist poetry journal, "Be the Change". Retard

>>24562963
Obviously I meant "what editor would risk it _after_ this". I wasn't implying time travel exists, and editors could go back and publish him before this was associated with his name. Retard
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 4:11:05 AM No.24563008
>>24562985
Wasn't trying to imply any time travel. Just pointing out this dude did in fact have an editor he directly pissed off. If it was a paid job we might actually see this evolve into a JT LeRoy situation where he gets sued for fraud.
Replies: >>24563137
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 4:55:32 AM No.24563118
I had this exact idea like a year or two ago and never did it. dont let your dreams be dreams anon. also dont blab about it to people who will just steal your idea/tell someone else who steals your idea
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 5:04:14 AM No.24563137
>>24563008

>"What editor would risk their career at a publisher by taking him on?"

>If you read the article you'd find he actually did have an editor

>Just pointing out this dude did in fact have an editor he directly pissed off.

What's the current lit meta for the best books to help someone learn about all the different tenses?
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 10:11:51 AM No.24563700
>>24562282
Go back to plebbit
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 2:34:25 PM No.24564087
>>24562805
>don't give a shit about poetry
Isn't the idea of every community of such sorts gatekeeping?
Replies: >>24564295
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 2:43:54 PM No.24564114
>>24561509
right, it'd be different if he got work of his that he had already made published which was rejected previously, but he made a whole new identity including style. i don't think this is really indicative of much though i do agree "minorities" are currently pushed to the top in creative arts
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 2:45:18 PM No.24564115
>>24560841
this isn't even true. plenty of people come into artistic fame later in life after actually having to work hard for it.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 4:05:16 PM No.24564295
>>24564087
It's not gatekeeping to say the people who don't read poetry don't care about poetry lol
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 4:23:55 PM No.24564328
Are there really people here defending woke publishers who publish any crap as long as the identity is right?
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 4:28:43 PM No.24564338
One of the people infuriated by Ceylon's 'true' identity was Chris Talbot, who uses they/them pronouns, a freelance editor and DEI consultant.

Talbot is the editor of B'K Magazine, which published one of Nwankwo’s poems last year.

'There's a white cis man, Jasper Ceylon, pretending to be a host of marginalized individuals in order to get published as them,' B'K Magazine shared on Instagram.

'He thinks it makes him clever and is trying to prove that publications will print anything as long as it comes from a marginalized person.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14912627/Poet-Aaron-Barry-Vancouver-faked-woke.html

Is she right or wrong? Will publications print anything by someone with the right identity?
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 4:31:25 PM No.24564342
>>24564338
>Is she right or wrong?
i think u mean is they right or wrong
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 4:31:41 PM No.24564343
>>24564338
doesn't the fact the he got published with shit writing prove his point already?
Replies: >>24564354
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 4:36:03 PM No.24564354
>>24564343
Maybe if he tried submitting that same shit writing under his actual ID. All he proved was that his intentionally bad writing and made up personas were more interesting than his actual writing.
Replies: >>24564360 >>24564367 >>24564384
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 4:37:27 PM No.24564360
>>24564354
it proved you could publish dogshit provided that you are part of the sacred cows
Replies: >>24564438
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 4:40:22 PM No.24564367
>>24564354
hmm, maybe there's a situation of "pretending to be retarded" and being perceived as such.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 4:48:12 PM No.24564384
>>24564354
Do you consider his intentionally bad writing to be good poetry or are you just dishonestly trying to defend the publishing industry for ideological reasons?
Replies: >>24564438
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 5:09:49 PM No.24564438
>>24564384
>>24564360
His dogshit was at least more interesting than his actual writing. From what I've seen of his work the dude writes bland as hell; the shitposts at least had the niche of being unique.
Replies: >>24564470 >>24564566
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 5:18:52 PM No.24564470
>>24564438
You are just trying to sidestep the question by insulting the skill of the guy who made the pranks.

I repeat the question: do you consider his intentionally bad poems to be good? Is gatekeeping working? Or are they just having extremely low standards for people who have the identities they want?
Replies: >>24564533
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 5:34:34 PM No.24564533
>>24564470
>do you consider his intentionally bad poems to be good?
Quality is subjective but I at least found them more enjoyable to read than his "good" poems.
Replies: >>24564571
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 5:48:21 PM No.24564566
>>24564438
Isn't that the whole problem with the industry and this post modernist mindset in the first place? I personally believe that bland and mediocre poetry deserves to be published above poetry that is so retardedly bad that the only thing people can say about it is that it's unique because they have never seen anything quite as bad before.
Replies: >>24564575
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 5:52:31 PM No.24564571
>>24564533
You didn't answer the question. You are still trying to insult the guy.

Did you consider his intentionally bad poetry to be good? Is it the kind of poetry you believe should be published among the many that is not?
Replies: >>24564575
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 5:57:42 PM No.24564575
>>24564571
>>24564566
I see more value in his "bad" poems than his "good" ones. If I had to choose between something bland mediocre and something uniquely bad, I'd rather see something uniquely bad. Something that's a trainwreck is more interesting than something painfully generic.
Replies: >>24564592
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:07:19 PM No.24564592
>>24564575
You still didn't answer the question. I'm not asking you to compare his poems that were bad on purpose to his normal ones.
I'm asking you to rate the ones who were written bad on purpose.
Did you consider his intentionally bad poetry to be good? Is it the kind of poetry you believe should be published among the many that is not?

Also, a follow-up question: in your opinion wokeness is not something that makes publishers accept extremely low quality stuff as long as the writer has the right identity?
Replies: >>24564611
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:17:12 PM No.24564611
>>24564592
Quality is subjective retard. There's a ton of stuff that's published that's dogshit. I just find the "intentionally bad" shit he made to be interesting enough that I can see why it was published. It's certainly interesting in its own way that's aided by his fanfic backstories giving it a more interesting context to how it came to be instead of just "random guy larping as an uneducated minority".
Replies: >>24564630
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:21:10 PM No.24564620
poetry is all low effort crap anyways who gives a shit
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:23:43 PM No.24564630
>>24564611
So, just to make sure to everyone here.
In your subject opinion the intentionally bad poetry was actually good? You can answer with an yes or no.

Another question: in your opinion there is no woke bias that makes completely trash material be published depending on identity? Publishers are out there trying to find interesting material and don't care about identity?
Replies: >>24564667
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:32:00 PM No.24564665
>>24557929
>tighass andronicus
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 6:32:20 PM No.24564667
>>24564630
>Publishers are out there trying to find interesting material
Yes anon, this is how publishers work.
Replies: >>24564763
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 7:06:31 PM No.24564763
>>24564667
You didn't really answer either of the questions
Replies: >>24564991
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 8:17:48 PM No.24564991
>>24564763
Do I think his bad poetry was good? Not particularly, but it was more unique and more interesting than the shit he was publishing before so I'm not shocked it got more attention from publishers.

Likewise, giving a fantastical story behind the creation of a work is obviously going to make it look more interesting to examine and publish than being a random white guy larping. And also, shockingly, going to platforms dedicated to promoting minority writers while pretending to be a minority gives you a greater chance to be published because the pool is shallower. This isn't about woke so much as this guy just fucking lying to people to make his work seem more interesting.
Replies: >>24565103
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 8:49:14 PM No.24565103
>>24564991
The thing that made it so unique and interesting is that it was so-bad-it's-good, right?
Replies: >>24565107
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 8:51:41 PM No.24565107
>>24565103
More the way he structured it. Even if he made it as a shitpost, he did give them a unique style that reminds me of some foreign poetry styles that is kinda interesting to see in english.

Tragedy is, if he just leaned into it and published like that he might've gotten some success. Instead he got himself blacklisted for the sake of "owning the libs".
Replies: >>24565109
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 8:52:07 PM No.24565108
>>24557929
ngl i think this dude was using these bipoc personas to write what he really wanted to write and now he's just pretending to be a boring hack. but it's like bro mick jagger didn't need to put on blackface to prance around on stage like a mistrel show, just bee urself.
Replies: >>24565141
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 8:52:29 PM No.24565109
>>24565107
>More the way he structured it
How do you mean?
Replies: >>24565141
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 8:58:03 PM No.24565130
>It's harder to be published as a minority
>It's unfair when white people pretend to be minorities to get published
how do people reconcile these two beliefs?
Replies: >>24565137 >>24565149
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 8:58:56 PM No.24565137
>>24565130
idk what's your truth bb :3 logic is racist and misogynist and nazi tho so...
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 8:59:33 PM No.24565141
>>24565109
One of the examples of the stuff he submitted.
>https://jakethemag.com/shakespeares-cumslut/
Now, is this some literary masterpiece? No. But I also can't really think of anything else written in this way and it does seem like it could be an interesting structure to play around with.

>>24565108
Funny thing is he's also apparently publishing (probably self publishing at this point though) a whole book filled with all the "intentionally bad" poems and shit he's written in his various personas.
Replies: >>24565155 >>24565179 >>24565671 >>24565943
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:01:22 PM No.24565147
>>24562282
>magazines which focus on publishing minorities
did he though? which magazines?
Replies: >>24565941
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:02:11 PM No.24565149
>>24565130
You're missing the part where he primarily submitted to publishers that promoted minority authors precisely because of the first one. Dude was basically pretending to be black so he could get things published, and that's unfair to the actual minority authors those publishers are trying to give more of a platform.
Replies: >>24565156 >>24565161 >>24565166
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:03:58 PM No.24565155
>>24565141
I guess it's subjective, to me a stream-of-consciousness schizo rant with random emojis is not interesting art -- maybe in a "joke's on you" Marcel Duchamp sort of way, but I'm over that
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:04:32 PM No.24565156
>>24565149
Institutional discrimination is unfair to all authors.

Fuck off with your acceptance of race-based policies.
Replies: >>24565175
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:05:16 PM No.24565160
This never worked for me, I've been ending every email to agents/publishers with "I'm a nigger btw" for 2 years and nothing.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:05:30 PM No.24565161
>>24565149
I didn't see that in any of the articles, where did you read that?
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:06:30 PM No.24565166
>>24565149
why is it fair for minorities to get their own set asides?
Replies: >>24565196
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:07:57 PM No.24565175
>>24565156
>Institutional discrimination is unfair to all authors.
I don't know how to break it to you but the whole reason these kind of publishers exist is to combat actual institutional discrimination, you fucking idiot. Minorities weren't getting published because they were minorities, leading to them making their own publishers to avoid that. Now you're crying racism that they had to do this just to stand a chance.
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Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:08:52 PM No.24565179
>>24565141
Novelty for the sake of novelty is the cancer that is destroying art.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:12:24 PM No.24565194
>>24565175
Do you think it's still easier for non-minorities to be published in 2025?
Replies: >>24565201 >>24565227
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:12:27 PM No.24565196
D9CAP1xXoAICO-q
D9CAP1xXoAICO-q
md5: f01246566ae7bb87c5529941f7c845c3🔍
>>24565166
Replies: >>24565202
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:12:33 PM No.24565197
>>24565175
>the reason we're institutionally discriminating is to combat the institutional discrimination
at this point it sounds like every race just needs their own journal
Replies: >>24565206
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:13:27 PM No.24565201
>>24565194
Statistically, they make up most authors, so evidently.
Replies: >>24565208
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:13:56 PM No.24565202
>>24565196
This speaks to me as a white man in 2025, the most persecuted minority in human history
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:14:44 PM No.24565206
>>24565197
>Guys just segregate
You don't get the blue shell while you're in first place.
Replies: >>24565210
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:14:58 PM No.24565208
>>24565201
That's bad statistical reasoning, friend. If all races had exactly equal chances then the majority would still make up the majority of authors
Replies: >>24565227
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:15:46 PM No.24565210
>>24565206
if you want to be in "first place" you can go back to your brown country.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:20:17 PM No.24565227
>>24565194
>>24565208
>https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9191698/#sec021
Replies: >>24565236
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:24:02 PM No.24565236
>>24565227
What are you drawing my attention to in this article?
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 9:59:47 PM No.24565346
>>24558777
Kike detected. Poetry matters, literature matters, it all matters, no one is falling for this "ermm just let it go, whitey" schtick, schlomo.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 10:02:13 PM No.24565352
>>24558761
jews.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 10:06:38 PM No.24565359
>>24557752 (OP)
He doesn't look white but like a mediturd with a gay smirk
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 10:09:57 PM No.24565369
>>24557752 (OP)
Yeah, he looks jewish.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 10:20:36 PM No.24565391
>>24558761
1) Western financiers and industrialists conspired, starting around the late 19th century and early 20th century, to make people more retarded, more consumerist, more divided along racial/ethnic lines (instead of class lines), and more reliant on state handouts and state-compliant media, to protect themselves in the short and medium term. All this created apparatuses that were then coopted by...

2) The first deep state. The first deep state mostly recruited from the above group of financiers and industrialists, and for the first few generations they are porous and overlapping. But the deep state eventually gains autonomy and also sees the value in having a docile, retarded, divided, ethnically mixed population, instead of a single aggrieved population that understands itself along class or ethnonationalist lines.

3) Jews. Jews, already well-represented in finance, industry, and culture industries, naturally also take part in this process. They also naturally enter into the deep state as it forms. There is an informal but strong consensus among very powerful European-descended Jews: non-Jewish countries must be safe for Jews (so they must be "open," "diverse," "individualist"), and they must back the existence of a Jewish country, Israel.

Over time the bloc of old blood Anglo finance/industry - deep state - Jews fuses and grow together like a single organism, spanning both US and the UK. This organism is like the elephant being described by the blind men: The English elites used to think it was a Milner-esque replacement for the Commonwealth and a way to prolong Anglo power in the fading of the empire. The American elites thought (and still think) it's their global power projector. The Jews think it's the useful mutual back-scratching club to guarantees the existence and impunity of Israel and keeps European countries safe for Jews. Really it's all and none of these, it's a sprawling network of NGOs, elite thinktanks (CFR, Atlantic Council, Focus Group, Chatham House, NED, CCF, Brookings, WINEP, ISW, CNAS, etc.).

Now it is being inherited by two new groups:

4) Postmodern pure technocrats with none of the worldview or vision of the original Anglo founders. Very efficient but prone to bureaucratic capture, drift, general retardation.

5) Minorities. The diversity hires brought in to dilute white working class and nationalist movements are now necessary for staffing the endless NGO machine. But they are unreliable, both in terms of competence and required intensity and rigidity of worldview.

The system that made everything gay and brown is now headless: the old Anglos are dead, the true believer spooks are gone, the Jews are being betrayed by the machine and fed back into its gears as we speak, and the only people left to inherit the machine are gay browns who don't know what it is. As the headless system fragments, its constituent parts will fragment and become semi-autonomous and highly dangerous to civilized life on Earth.
Anonymous
7/19/2025, 11:06:12 PM No.24565510
>>24562282
>this would have been a good bit if he'd not targetted magazines which focus on publishing minorities
even if he did, which seems like an unjustified claim, it would prove that minority-centered magazines have extremely low bars
Replies: >>24565943
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 12:01:35 AM No.24565671
>>24565141
angelicism01 et al. have all been there done that style already
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 12:37:12 AM No.24565774
>>24557929
you gotta admit this is pretty good in how it encapsulates absolutely everything about the female "human" experience
this is it. this is all there is
Replies: >>24565943
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 12:38:59 AM No.24565775
>>24558761
Anti-intelectualism and hedonism. People conflate these with women but it's literally all the people who control you are about. There's nothing more miserable, stupid and insecure than a baby boomer.
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:16:57 AM No.24565836
Are the people saying there is not a truckload of affirmative action being sincere and ignorant or do they know they are lying and are just gaslighting others in order to defend the status quo of heavy affirmative action?
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:45:15 AM No.24565891
1752840094458128
1752840094458128
md5: cbc9712b4ceb5cbad108edeb0ddbbbf6🔍
>>24565175
>the whole reason these kind of publishers exist is to combat actual institutional discrimination,
Gee. I thought it was to publish good poetry...
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 2:16:36 AM No.24565941
>>24565147

I already answered the same question as this once already:

>>24562305

And I was asked it for a third time, in slightly different wording, here:

>>24562349

Where I said: "I agree... it seems unlikely every single magazine was focused entirely on [publishing monitories]", then posted the best source I could find showing that some were. If you want to respond with a better source, that's much more useful than saying "did he though?" or "this is wrong". I, fundamentally, don't care about the % split the magazines he claims he got published in. If two sources, which I acknowledged as being non-ideal, can be bettered, that is useful for this thread. But there's no fucking point asking me, or saying that I'm incorrect when my aim is very clearly to just contribute reporting from elsewhere. Stop reading like a nigger and assuming someone is making specific claims when their post is explicitly considering the potential implications of sources they have linked to

As I said before, I do not have an itemized list of this man's shitty poems that he's pretending he wasn't trying his best at, and where those poems were published.
Replies: >>24566195 >>24566212
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 2:17:48 AM No.24565943
>>24565141

Derivative of Honor Levy, angelicism, etc, as someone said elsewhere, not uninteresting, but I don't believe it's "his voice", more jumping on an emerging trend. I think he probably saw that stuff getting popular, simultaneously bought into the 'minorities become successful poets' meme, and conflated the two in a cynical and retarded way. It reads to me as a bad impression of the Dimes Square adjacent bullshit. Definitely more interesting than his haiku or "Writing Prompts Gone Wild", but also reads like a response to a "write like Dimes Square people" prompt by someone who doesn't really understand the references those people are making, other than the online stuff, and also is really hoping they notice him. "Shakespeare's Cumslut" is such a dumb guy's idea of a title of one of these already dumb poems. I find it pretty embarrassing, but at least it's trying to mimic newer stuff. Which is why I don't believe he was trying to write intentionally bad poems, he's only saying that as insecure retroactive cope

>>24565774
post tits

>>24565510
Yeah, smaller pool of submissions, will likely always be true statistically, and exacerbated of course by the lower average IQ
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 3:10:23 AM No.24566051
>>24562439
There are no mags for Whites you dumb nigger-loving tranny.
>the poetry community is just gonna know
Oh no, the retard community of trite peddlers that nobody reads won't like him for making them look like retards!
That's true art right there, eating pigshit like a good little porker and doing exactly like a bunch of fags in drag want you to behave.
Replies: >>24566308
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 3:16:02 AM No.24566076
>>24557929
Kek kinda funny though
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 3:52:27 AM No.24566170
>>24565175
Does it bother you that black men are over-represented in the NBA and NFL? Should we have a tiny asian man basketball league?
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 4:03:14 AM No.24566195
great_poetry
great_poetry
md5: 8ec6ed1fce14d36ff7e84ae98effdbbd🔍
>>24565941
>I do not have an itemized list of this man's shitty poems that he's pretending he wasn't trying his best at,
If pic related is an example, the assumption that he was 'trying his best' is a pretty weak one.
Replies: >>24566261 >>24566308 >>24566310 >>24566393
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 4:12:57 AM No.24566212
>>24565941
You didn't actually answer the question though, you just linked somebody else pointing out that three of his magazines were like this
Replies: >>24566310
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 4:33:34 AM No.24566261
>>24566195
I routinely see shitposts more clever than this. Literature is dead.
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 4:51:57 AM No.24566308
>>24566051
"Be the change" means "start one if you want one", like they did for themselves. The world doesn't magically provide you with all the things you think should exist.


>>24566195
This is an incredibly poor thread in terms of basic reading comprehension. I wasn't trying to, at any point, provide a conclusive answer to the question you keep asking, nor did I claim to have a conclusive answer. I repeatedly claimed the opposite. I DO NOT KNOW.

My initial post was quoting an assertion made by other people, who I strongly implied disdain for as a source of information. I then literally called them a bad source of information later on. My exact words in that first post were: "I am inclined to agree with them, it defeats the purpose."

I apologize if not including the implied clause of the sentence, which is "if their alleged information is true", but I hoped that was pretty obvious.

Looking back, I clearly should have made it more obvious that I hadn't personally fact-checked the posters in the "Red Scare Books" subreddit, or suggesting they should be taken as gospel. I assume that users of this particularly website wouldn't be that retarded.

So, for the last time, since this feels like bait now, here is my answer: "I do not know whether the majority of % of magazines he submitted to were for minority writers, but if this claim (no source has yet offered a counter claim) is true, then yes, that entirely defeats the purpose of the "bit"."

It's a particularly stupid question to keep asking a person who doesn't even think he was trying to do a bit. As I keep saying, I think he wanted to get attention for his poems, not own the libs.
Replies: >>24566310 >>24566420 >>24566540
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 4:53:26 AM No.24566310
>>24566308
Not for >>24566195
but for >>24566212
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 5:07:29 AM No.24566333
The magazine he wrote for is some some punk indie mag for minorities.
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 5:51:33 AM No.24566393
>>24566195
Yeah, if he had been trying his best then I wouldn't have written such obviously dumb, derivative poems. Pretty obviously he was owning the libs, and pretty effectively. I've seen so many people talking about it, it's all the literary world can talk about at the moment. I think it'll be a real watershed moment, he's sort of like Luigi.
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 6:06:08 AM No.24566420
>>24566308
>"Be the change" means "start one if you want one"
Hi. I'm butting into your argument. That's bullshit. They say "be the change." But then when you put your money where your mouth is-- oops! GoDaddy decided to close your website. Oops! Credit card companies decided you dont get to have a business! Oops! Now the banks decided you dont get to spend or receive money!

"Be the change" means "fuck off, and get deplatformed." That's why we start with fixing the institutions, and not spending your life savings on a fool's errand.
Replies: >>24566811 >>24567004
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 7:10:47 AM No.24566540
>>24566308
Realistically what do you think society's reaction would be if a notable whites-only literary magazine popped up
Replies: >>24566843
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 11:55:40 AM No.24566811
>>24566420
Ah, that’s a shame, I didn’t know, having never attempted to start an ethnostate poetry website. Been busy with other things. Have you considered self-hosting, or otherwise not being explicitly “whites only”, but giving it a euphemistic title, for example, “The Rhodesian Review”?

I wonder how all the right wing websites host, given the problems you’ve outlined. Maybe you should hit them up and ask.
Replies: >>24566820
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 12:02:20 PM No.24566820
>>24566811
>Just let every institution become a corrupt playground for half-retarded women and their pet brown people with chips on their shoulders while you struggle to build something from scratch.
Ummmm I don't think that's a very good idea. I think exposing and embarrassing these people is more effective.
Replies: >>24566848 >>24566855
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 12:26:42 PM No.24566843
>>24566540
I think society doesn’t actually care about poetry, which is why poetry books don’t sell very well, and it’s basically impossible to make a living off poems. I think there would be a minimal reaction if anybody even noticed. I think it’d be very difficult to get any established poet to publish with the magazine, unless they were already an open racist, as it would be damaging to their career, and they might also disagree with its race-first philosophy of art. I think if, after some time, it managed to bring through some great poets, or publish some poems for the first time that went on to be classics, that would be interesting, and people might began to warm to it and kid themselves it was ironic. But the idea of identity-based publishing, rather than quality-based publishing, whether the identity is black, or white, kike or Arab, basically means the publication is choosing a judgement criterion above ‘how good is this poem?’ and is probably ultimately doomed to nobody caring about it except the people it’s publishing. It’s worth being honest about the fact that basically all poetry outlets exist solely for the egos of the editors and selected poets. Nobody is refreshing the website of “The South Asian Diaspora Poets with Autism Review”, desperate for the next drop. If someone wants to use poetry to make a point that gets attention, they should write rap music.

BTW OP, if you’re still on this thread, that’s my advice for you. These poems might have flopped, but you can still get the shoe polish out, darken up that face, and start spitting on the mic. Imagine putting a hard beat behind your Knock Knock poem. Niggas outside would love that shit.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 12:31:08 PM No.24566848
>>24566820
Hey, it’s up to you. Good luck on your crusade to take down such central cultural institutions as ‘poetry blogs’, whichever approach you end up choosing.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 12:34:33 PM No.24566854
>>24566848
It's beyond 'poetry blogs' and you know it. We're talking publishers and universities. How's that fake superiority working out for you?
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 12:34:49 PM No.24566855
>>24566848
>>24566820
Though, if you think you’d “struggle” with outperforming these people’s (also very recent) online magazines, especially given your read on their competence, you can’t have very high self-esteem. Maybe better to sit this one out entirely.
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 12:37:19 PM No.24566860
>>24566843
>I think there would be a minimal reaction [to a whites-only poetry journal] if anybody even noticed.
Delusional
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 12:42:03 PM No.24566864
>>24566854
Whether we’re talking about larger institutions or online poetry magazines, my honest answer to your question is that I have absolutely no interest in them personally, whether that’s how they’re run, or who they’re run by. Bureaucracy and publication routes has nothing to do with the aspects of literature that I care about (reading it, and posting about it). That’s my honest answer. But I was asked a specific question on my thoughts about an aspect of the above, so I replied in a way I hoped made clear that the question didn’t interest me at all. Because this shit is only interesting if you care about ‘identity’, like a fucking nigger, over literature. And I’m not a nigger. Are you?
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 12:43:41 PM No.24566866
>>24566860
….try it and find out? Prove me delusional? I would love to be wrong. It’d be so funny
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 12:43:59 PM No.24566869
>>24566864
Oh you want to be an ineffectual shut-in and expect everybody else to be okay with that. LMAO. You're a loser.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 12:47:13 PM No.24566875
>>24557752 (OP)
being made most authors are women is like being mad most chefs are fat.
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 12:54:58 PM No.24566880
>>24566869
Mind explaining what you mean by “ineffectual” in your reply to my post? Do you mean that by not caring about an issue you perceive, and thus not devoting any time or effort towards it, I am being ineffective in achieving a goal that I do not have? What’s your point, exactly?

Ditto “shut-in”. I’m not sure I follow. Do you expect me to be protesting in the humanities departments of colleges, or assassinating Random House staff, for a cause I just said I don’t care about?

I don’t expect everyone to be okay with my views, or lack of them, on a topic. But I’m not the one crying online about an anti-white-man conspiracy in the poetry world. All I said was: if you’re so upset about this thing, do something about it. Again, I really don’t care what that thing is. But any sort of action you take is likely going to make you a happier person than just posting to it, especially in response to someone who doesn’t give a shit either way.

No need to call me a loser. I’m trying to help you feel a little less politically impotent.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:01:18 PM No.24566886
>>24566880
The institutional rot all around us is a huuuuuge problem that can't be ignored. This is just another manifestation of it. You write it off as just "poetry blogs" or "humanities departments" being silly and useless but that's just cope for you being weak. Tolerance is not a virtue in a decaying society. You're a smug little clown anyway. I don't need to explain anything else to you.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:06:14 PM No.24566888
>>24566866
Find literally one example of a whites-only thing that didn't court controversy
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:28:29 PM No.24566909
>>24566886
Damn, I had no idea it couldn’t be ignored, because I manage to ignore it fine. Unless there’s something I’m not noticing? Do you have any further, well-sourced reading I could browse so I might educate myself on our dire situation? You imply that it extends beyond the humanities - next thing I’ll find out that they prefer hiring non-whites for something actually important, like air traffic control. What actions have you already taken to stop something dangerous like that happening? Are you in an underground militia? A sleeper cell? We simply cannot sit by while great American institutions rot, as you say. I’m so glad you’re taking action.

As a paragon of strength, especially compared to my weak and cope-riddled body, the white race NEEDS you, lest the situation get any worse. I’m amazed you have time to be posting at all, such is the seriousness and time-limited nature of the situation, if I’m reading your post right. You brave soldier. You hero.

A strong man like yourself has a responsibility be stepping forward, and leading by example. That’s the only way weak, coping men like me can be saved from our current position of not crying on the internet about nobody publishing our poems.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:30:15 PM No.24566913
>>24566909
LMAO. You're such a goofy faggot. Look at these paragraphs of smug seethe.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:34:53 PM No.24566918
>>24566909
>next thing I’ll find out that they prefer hiring non-whites for something actually important, like air traffic control
anon...
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:34:58 PM No.24566919
>>24566888
The thing I was saying nobody gives a shit about is poetry magazines, not “whites only” institutions. And if you care so much about it, you should be willing for people to be ‘up in arms’, no? Or are you afraid?

Isn’t art meant to be brave? What’s the point in believing in something, bemoaning the existence of it, but not trying to do anything about it, even if there was backlash? Genuinely interested in your logic. I imagine you’re just a lazy coward. What am I missing?
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:38:35 PM No.24566925
>>24566919
Cuz I'm happy in my career and life and don't want to jettison that to start a whites-only poetry magazine
Why don't you do it anon?
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:39:13 PM No.24566927
>>24566913
Who’s seething? The guy explaining why he doesn’t care, or the guy hurling insults at obvious - but elegantly written - bait?

I know it’s all so upsetting. One day, maybe, strong man that you are, you might finally find that elusive white masthead.

>>24566918
;-)
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:40:07 PM No.24566928
>>24561509
fucking lol
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:40:45 PM No.24566931
>>24566925
Because I don’t think it’s a problem, as I keep explaining to the people replying to me saying that it is a problem, lol
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:40:56 PM No.24566932
1724576791681852
1724576791681852
md5: 97e5dd2378fe0f255213bc312627de6e🔍
I'm pretty sure the discrimination in literature is against straight white males, and judging by his works under his real name, he is not straight.
Sounds like he did a pretty good job of posing as a minority for 3 years, so maybe he should just transition.
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:41:32 PM No.24566934
>>24566931
You said identity magazines are dumb tho, what are you doing to change that?
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:41:42 PM No.24566935
>>24566927
You're working much harder than me, cope.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:42:26 PM No.24566936
>>24558777
I think, we can give them that point.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:42:33 PM No.24566937
>>24566927
Tbh your bait is indistinguisable from what smug libshits actually sound like
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:43:54 PM No.24566941
>apply to actual magazines and journals, get rejected because you're boring and terrible
>change your writing style to be terrible, yet interesting, and apply to niche publishers whose stated intention is to promote works by minorities
>get published
Wow, what a fucking surprise.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:44:07 PM No.24566942
>>24566937
Being insincere on an anonymous forum so he can have someone, anyone, to talk to isn't the win he thinks it is.
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:45:26 PM No.24566944
>>24566941
>magazines will publish works from minorities if they're so bad they're funny
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:47:49 PM No.24566949
>>24566934
I also said that making the primary criterion of a publisher ‘identity of the writer’ ultimately dooms the quality of their output. Even if it was on the ‘dumb enough to do something about’ level, there wouldn’t be a need. This shit will eat itself
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:50:26 PM No.24566952
>>24566949
>I also said that making the primary criterion of a publisher ‘identity of the writer’ ultimately dooms the quality of their output
It'd be pretty based if some minority demonstrated this by submitting intentionally shitty poetry
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 1:53:32 PM No.24566957
>>24566937
Thank you
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 2:02:26 PM No.24566982
>>24566935
I know, all that time you spend single-handedly dismantling and rebuilding our rotten institutions, beginning first with the poetry websites run by minorities (the obvious starting point), and then, I hope, America itself, can’t leave you much time to recognize when someone is making fun of you, or to respond with any real counter argument. On behalf of the white race, and fans of white poetry across the country, thank you for your service
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 2:04:41 PM No.24566987
>>24566982
Enjoy jerking off into text boxes all morning thinking that makes you smart. I'm so emotionally devastated.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 2:16:09 PM No.24567004
>>24566987
>>24566420
You got your dick out first, remember? I tried to say “hey, I don’t mind what you do about this problem you perceive - but good luck either way.” But you felt it necessary to begin your little TED talk - to someone who kept saying how little the care - about “institutional rot”, and how it manifests within the ‘poetry by minorities’ community. Like, I’m sorry this issue is clearly a touchy subject for you, but you should have chosen someone to berate about it who doesn’t very openly not give a shit either way - obviously the only response you’ll get will be insincere bait to rile you up further. Have you been posting here long?
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 2:18:23 PM No.24567008
>>24567004
Cry about it, big-boy. Maybe you'll convince lurkers how awesome you are because acting like a faggot on image boards comes so naturally for you.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 2:35:20 PM No.24567031
>>24567008
I'm still confused - what is it that I'm upset about? Or are you just using 'crying' because I said it twice?

No need to reply if you're busy - I know you have lots to be getting on with, fixing all that institutional rot, using methods you repeatedly won't specify, no matter how many opportunities you're given.
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 2:51:53 PM No.24567051
>>24566944
50 Shades of Grey is pure dogshit and it got published.
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 4:29:10 PM No.24567227
>>24558029
https://archive.is/20250720084005/https://www.thefp.com/p/white-man-who-pretended-to-be-black-poet

removepaywall.com and option 3 usually always works.
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 4:50:45 PM No.24567270
>>24566941
He set out to prove that quality standards for minorities are significantly lower than for everybody else and that's exactly what he proved. If he had submitted his "boring" generic work under a false minority identity, that too would have been published. It's hilarious how people like you have to do all these mental gymnastics to pretend that there is some other reason like the intentionally bad work is "interesting", rather than just admitting the obvious truth that quality standards for minorities are basically nonexistent.
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 7:09:16 PM No.24567532
>>24566936
Fuck off Jew.
Anonymous
7/20/2025, 11:12:14 PM No.24568047
>>24567270
>publishers with a smaller pool of applicants have lower standards
Fuuuuck, how could anyone have figured this out?
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Anonymous
7/20/2025, 11:15:05 PM No.24568056
>>24568047
none of these places say they're exclusively for category [x] people though, they just explicitly state a preference for them