yeah im thinkin Max won and you niggas are just jealous and need to touch grass (and maybe empty your piss bottles)

>>24557893 (OP)
This is really gay, even for OP's standards.

>>24557893 (OP)
Is this an FtM tranny?

>>>/trash/

>>24557893 (OP)
You'll notice that Max plagiarized the comments of the other anon who did a translation when he criticized the substack blogger. I found this to be a very interesting detail of Max's response.

>>24557904
translator

>>24558110
Link?

>>24558117
https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueLit/comments/1m16o5j/the_miseducation_of_max_lawton/
His comments are all over the thread. Half of it is him crying about 4chan and getting upset that people were calling the substack guy a retard in 4chan posts (retard is the "slurs" Max repeatedly refers to in his comments lol). But to my post, he almost verbatim copy and pastes the anon's post about the meaning of "arrimer" and the anon's post about how to interpret "sous la torture".

>>24558126
Reddit is a containment forum for insufferable faggots
Please don’t bring that AIDS semen slurping shit to our beloved 4chan.com

>>24558182
Why do you talk like you are in middle school?

>>24558126
TrueLit is a community filled with most insufferable boring faggots. Imagine stealing your taste from /lit/ and then gathering around to suck turds out of each other's assholes because it makes them look cool. Fuck plebbit.

>>24558126
>an anon dares to criticize Max's translation and writes a substack post which he posts to 4chan
>Max wholeheartedly believes the substack author should be expelled or fired, not due to the contents of his criticism or the words he said, but because he posted the criticism on 4chan
Why are people like this? This is absurd. This is like saying Max should be a persona non grata because he translates Russian literature ( RUSSIA BAD !!! ), yet somehow I bet Max disagrees with thay. Weird.

>>24558262
the anon who wrote the substack post made /lit/ look stupid as fuck. what his piece came out of was obviously not just an innocent chat about M*x on here but anon tries to act all innocent in a dumbass way. anon's criticisms were mostly fluff as well. he didn't find one real mistake in a first draft M*ax posted for shits and giggles, even if the style needed work.

>>24558830
>>the anon who wrote the substack post made /lit/ look stupid as fuck
There is no "/lit/", you idiot. That was just one person. Just speak for yourself.

Sage

>>24558830
The other anon in the 4chan thread pointed out Max's two mistranslations of vertes and mignonnes. Those are genuine errors, but oddly enough never discussed on the reddit thread. I agree the substack anon was an idiot, but it's very likely vertes was intended as the sharp, biting, and painful nature of the wounds, and that mignonnes was intended as a favourite (see the movie The Favourite) or royal confidente. Again these are highly likely the intended meanings based on the context of the passage, but Max misses these in his translations. So it is patently false to say there are no mistakes/mistranslations.

>>24558262
It's also retarded because the fag obviously posts about himself here. Not even subtly.

>>24558937
those are not mistakes IMO. the dumbfuck substack anon and the other anon just suggest alternate translations, they do not prove mistakes. for vertes, I don't buy it at all. the phrase is related to wounds. they could be green and rotten. substack anon's "unripe" is for sure worse than green. and for mignonne that is also not a mistake though I think both options are possible.

>>24558262
Its so funny that all of this is happening over a Celine translation, considering all the Nazi stuff

>>24557893 (OP)
The ||r/truelit|| replies are worth reading

>>24559018
Consider that M*x Lawt*n owns Céline's antisemitic and racist pamphlets and proudly shows them off on social media. See that tome on the left? That's Écrits controversés ("Controversial writings"). This is where Céline calls for the extermination of the Jews, among other things. M*x just casually owns it like it's Harry Potter or whatever.

>>24559013
You didn't even engage with what I said about vertes, you just reverted to the substack anon's critiques. Cassel's French to English dictionary (use the internet archive) gives the THIRD ENGLISH TRANSLATION of vert as "sharp, harsh". Pair this with the wiktionnaire definition in line with this "qui est vif, âpre, rude", and further pair it with being a passage about torture, it is VERY CLEAR an intended meaning of "vertes" by Céline is the "sharp, harsh, stinging" nature of the wounds! Yes, they could also be green, BUT any native French speaker would easily see this obvious second intended meaning describing the SENSATION of the wounds. THIS IS AN ERROR ON MAX'S PART. His translation into English should convey this INTENDED DOUBLE MEANING.

As to cuties instead of favourite/royal confidante, cuties is completely at odds with the tone of the passage. Max, on reddit, argued how so much of his translation is tone and style. CUTIES does not fit the tone.

>>24559054
>Guignol's Band was published after the anti-semitic pamphlets
>Max is saying/agreeing that the pamphlets are a part of this great literary binary-bomb
...Max sisters...we can't let Reddit know about the anti-semitic implications of that post...

>>24559090
chill the fuck out homie. these are not errors. you can argue that your options are possible and/or better. but what Max has there are not mistakes.

>>24559054
>>24559095
Then why do this bitch chimped out over "heckin 4chan" here >>24558126

>>24559107
the human mind isn't made to be attacked by swarms of hateful anons lol

>>24559099
Translating a double-entendre or a word which has deeper meaning without its deeper meaning is an error. It's called a faux ami and sometimes a literal translation, THESE ARE MISTAKES in the field of translation. You being so stubborn about this not being an error, and even denying the validity of the secondary and obviously intended meaning is very indicative of you being Max Lawton. He was extremely stubborn and sententious in the Reddit thread, and you're acting like that now. It is an error. Max often criticizes other translation for making errors of this same caliber.

>>24559129
>hateful anons
You are think skinned and retarded. In my country writers talk MAD trash in gatherings and openly shit on books that they dislike.

>>24559107
Because he's a fucking bitch. He was begging some guy on twitter to remove the substack link he shared because it was by le evil 4chan. He even wrote like 4 tweets yesterday bitching and whining and then removed them lol

>>24559131
I wrote "you can argue that your options are possible and/or better. but what Max has there are not mistakes."
By translating it as "unripe" or "cruel" or whatever, you lose the meaning of green. and by doing "court favorites," it can no longer be cute little girls. I will concede those are possible options. But every choice shuts down other interpretations. This is why what Max has is not a mistake. And you are free to argue your option is better, I do not even necessarily disagree. But mistake means something specific in translation and it doesn't mean "there's another possibility that to me is preferable."

>>24559143
Kek

That is the price you have to pay if you desire fame. He needs to stop being a bitch and take it like a man. Here's how Celine responded to the criticism of Sartre

>In my asshole where he can be found we can’t ask of J.B.S. too see clearly or to explain himself simply. J.B.S. it seems has nevertheless foreseen the solitude and obscurity of my anus...J.B.S. obviously is talking about himself when he writes on page 451: “This man fears every kind of solitude, that of the genius as well as that of the assassin.” Let’s understand what this means...Based on the weeklies J.B.S. only sees himself in the skin of a genius. For my part and based on his texts, I am forced to see J.B.S. only in the skin of an assassin, and even more, of a fucking police informant, cursed, hideous, a pain in the ass, rumor monger, a donkey in glasses. Here I am getting carried away! It’s not appropriate for my age or condition!... I was going to close here...disgusted, that’s all...I think it over...Assassin and brilliant? We’ve seen this before...After all...Maybe that’s the case with Sartre. An assassin he is, he wants to be one, that’s understood, but brilliant? Brilliant tiny turd of my ass ? Hmmm?...That remains to be seen...yes, to be sure, that could blossom...make itself known...but J.B.S.? His embryo eyes? His mean and petty shoulders? That fat little gut... and philosopher!...that add up to a lot of things...It seems he freed Paris on bicycle. He played around... at the Theater, the City [1], with the horrors of the era, the war, torture, irons, fire. But times change, and there he is growing, swelling up enormously, J.B.S.! He can’t control himself anymore...he no longer knows himself...from the embryo he is he’s becoming a creature...the cycle...he’s had enough of toys, cheating...he’s running after ordeals, real ordeals...prison...expiation... the stick, and the biggest of all sticks, the stake... J.B.S. becomes destiny.... the Furies! No more bagatelles... He wants to become a true monster! Now he’s yelling at De Gaulle.

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/sartre/comment/celine.htm

>>24559160
>a donkey in glasses
howlin

>>24559167
There's more

>But on page 462 the little turd shocks me! The damned rotten asshole! What does he dare to write? “If Céline supported the socialist theses of the Nazis it’s because he was paid.” And I quote. Yes! This then is what this little dung-beetle wrote while I was in prison risking a hanging. Filthy little bastard full of shit, you come out from between my ass cheeks to soil me from outside! Cain anus ptooey! What are you hoping for? That they murder me! It’s obvious! Here! Let me squash you! Yes!... I see his photos, those bug eyes...that hook...that slobbering leech...he’s a cestode! What won’t he invent, this monster, so that they assassinate me! Barely out of my caca and he denounces me! What’s best is that on page 451 he has the venom to warn us: “A man who finds it natural to denounce men can’t have our notion of honor. He doesn’t even see those for whom he is a benefactor with our eyes; his generosity, his kindness is not like our kindness and generosity: it isn’t possible to localize passion.”

>>24559158
>By translating it as "unripe" or "cruel" or whatever, you lose the meaning of green
You're completely ignoring my argument again, REREAD MY POSTS, I AM NOT ARGUING THIS.
>lose the meaning of green
I'm not arguing to drop the green. I am arguing for the addition of a word or phrase that communicate the "sharp, biting, harsh" nature of the wounds, which is clearly intended by Céline, and clearly apparent to any native French speaker when reading a passage about torture.
>it can no longer be cute little girls
Now you're just trolling.
>But mistake means something specific in translation and it doesn't mean "there's another possibility that to me is preferable
The double meaning is not a preference. It is fact, making it an error on Max's part to lose this double meaning. You can't even argue that it's untranslatable. IT IS! Just translate it as "green-stinging" or some other suitable hyphenate!

>>24559160
>>24559181
Max could never be this based or cavalier. He was crying on reddit because the 4chan thread repeatedly used the word retard in reference to the substack anon. He's way to conscientious of his public image and is afraid of committing the least taboo or scruple. It's honestly annoying, because when you look back on authors of the 20th century and before, they were very willing to openly and publicly shit on other writers and their critics. I despise Max's sententious "holier-than-thou-I'm-just-a-hecking-chungus-trying-to-bring-you-guys-great-literature" attitude. I mean he tweeted some gay tweet about how being a point of controversy isn't all it is cracked up to be, and he made a reddit post trying to remind everyone he's just a hecking human being sitting at a desk working hard! Fuck off with your pity party Max. The worst thing that has happened to you is someone dared to question your competency as a translator and you had a meltdown on reddit, forced the moderators to shut the discussion down, and started crying on twitter how you shouldn't question his competency since the questioning arises from 4chan.

>>24559143
Also the Untranslated FAGGOT silenced some Latino guy who was also quote-tweeting the substack link. He said something like "They expose him in this article regarding Céline. He's too young to really know french, spanish, italian, german, russian, turkish, so this makes sense". And then the untranslated bitch came in defense of his boyfriend lmao

>>24559160
I wish I had taken screenshots it was such a whiny meltdown. He was even inventing lies about the substack guy, that when he shared the link he called him slurs. Lying sack of shit.

>>24559240
>they were very willing to openly and publicly shit on other writers and their critics
this new generation would never do that. they want soi industry clout.

>>24559090
Is he translating French or Russian? I thought he was a Russian translator

>>24559249
They're also afraid to be transgressive and taboo. The only writers who are doing this are these new "alt-lit" or "alt-right" or "right-wing" writers the NYT has been shitting articles out on. This is why Tyrant Books was so refreshing! They were willing to publish actual, daring fiction that wasn't catering to the identity politics and safe-spaces of contemporary publishing. It's a shame DiTrappano died because the prestige that came with Tyrant Books died with him, and it's having to be built from the ground up all over again.

>>24559261
Russian, French, Italian, Spanish, Turkish.

>>24559261
He translates from Russian, French, German, Italian, and Turkish. He has published one or two French translations of Jonathan Littell. He has mostly published Russian translation of Vladimir Sorokin. He has a German translation of Schattenfroh coming out this year. He has an Italian translation coming out soon, and he famously got into a twitter spat over the translation quality of an unpublished translation of Turkish novel and said the translation was so bad that he and was going to write a new and get it published. He says French is his best language, and he said on reddit that for all the other languages he needs extensive help in understanding context, idiom, deeper meaning, etc. beyond a literal translation. So he literally follows the P&V method for most of his works where he shits out a literal translation, re-edits it for "readability" in English, and then consults with an expert on whether or not he missed anything in his translation. I wouldn't be surprised if Max has shit on P&V translations, yet his process is more convoluted than theirs!

>>24559275
He likes P&V for Dostoyevsky. He has shit taste.

>>24559275
Sounds like a very talented young man

>>24559275
ANybody know what year he graduated from Columbia?

>>24559240
Brutal take down

>>24559181
>Here! Let me squash you! Yes!... I see his photos, those bug eyes...that hook...that slobbering leech...he’s a cestode!

Fuck off max

Every notable person in Jew York, Los Angeles, or Washington is a trust fund nigger.

Remember that the next time you're impressed by something they do. They put the cart before the horse: because of nepotism, it was always a foregone conclusion that they were going to do SOMETHING because they can make something terrible and have it promoted through their (dad's) connections or their own connections which they only have because of a lifetime of dadmoney paying for them to live in hip areas and go to hip parties and attend hip schools without having to worry about real life, or by simply using dadmoney to pay for social media signal boosting and knowing people who know how to manipulate the strings of the relevant scene/industry. Then, once they get something "recognized" (they also have enough dadmoney to keep pathetically throwing shit at the wall until it sticks, which often takes them years even despite all the dadmoney greasing the wheels), they are an established name in whatever scene/industry it is, and now all future projects have immediate credibility.

98% of people who get published or have their art shown somewhere are doing something any random aspiring writer or art major could do, but skipping the crucial first step of "actually getting organically noticed," which is 98% of the difficulty of going from aspiring writer/artist to writer/artist. The remaining 2% is just continuing to churn shit out, that's the easy part because now when you go to a publisher or gallery you already have a portfolio and they will shrug and say "I presume this is fine, sure, we'll publish you."

Layer this on itself for a few years and you have a portfolio. This is the backstory of nearly all major writers and artists in the last century. New York Jews originally used the technique for themselves, in the early century, but then it caught on generally and is now the only way to do anything in America. American culture is made entirely out of nepotism networks.

Date a rich Jewish girl from New York some time, if you randomly mention you have an invention for an automatic ass-scratcher she'll tell you she can introduce you to another Jew she knows through another Jew who could finance it, and you can bypass the usual channels that normalplebs have to go through to get a meeting with him because she'll just get you an informal in person one. Jews live and breathe this kind of behavior so much they don't even notice they do it, so they are kind of being honest when you criticize them for it and they go "What? I'm not doing anything everybody else doesn't do." They really mean it, they are serious.

>And to everyone else, please consider the source. Not only does this dude not know a thing about literary translation, he also admits to frequenting 4chan, where he participates in discourse so hateful it could make your hair curl.

>>24557893 (OP)
Who is this guy and why should I care?

>t. I don't read (much)

>>24559412
>>t. I don't read (much)
nice bump max

>>24559412
He is apparently some kind of genius polymath

>>24559412
>Who is this guy and why should I care?
Nepotistic hack whose mummy and daddy work at harvard and are in the literary scene who claims to "translate" works in languages he's barely coherent in. Only gets his translator job due to his millionaire parents and due to sucking up to publishers and authors.
He's been seething at us exposing him on reddit and twitter and raging extremely hard, check the truelit thread on reddit for an example

>>24559262
But what about my MFA 200k degree about writing the lived experience of an upper middle class black lesbian in the big city?

>>24559608
I like how Max said "Yes, my parents are rich and have money, but I haven't taken money from them since college!"
Max, you are still in college, getting a PhD. Quite the slimy word game from Max.

>>24559412
They say he's a polyglot who dates a lot of models. In their circles they call him "Maximum Penetration" or Max "the Law-giver." You can draw your own conclusions about what they are talking about.

>>24557893 (OP)
>>>/fit/cbt/

>>24559437
>polymath
>>24559864
>polyglot
I don't know what these words mean but they sound made up and faggy

new /lit/ lolcow just dropped?

>whines about le "nazi" website while translating an actual nazi
kek does he hear himself?

>>24561185
Nice whataboutism mate

>>24557893 (OP)
Max is a great translator, and a gentleman, and a scholar

>>24561188
not whataboutism, max. it's the main subject.

>>24561202
But why does he only translate modernist trash and not anything good?

>>24561202
not even good bait

>>24561204
>Whataboutism or whataboutery (as in "but what about X?")[1] is a pejorative for the strategy of responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation instead of a defense against the original accusation.

>>24561210
read about ad hominem next time, max.

>>24561216
What you did is an ad hominem argument. Whataboutism is a subform of it.

>>24561273
The point is, what max (you) did is an ad hominem in the first place.

>>24559687
lmao

>>24561279
And whataboutism again. Why would you respond to an illogical argument with another illogical argument?

>>24559285
Rides what?

>>24560951
>I don't know what these words mean
You definitely fit in here then. Keep posting

>>24561284
This isn't a debate club. If our adversaries don't care, we shouldn't play by their rules.

>>24561289
He rides Richard Pavear's dick.

>>24561293
He fits in Max's twitter replies. They don't know what words mean and get BTFO by 4chan chads then whine on reddit.

>>24558126
>Mr. 4chan
kek

>>24558182
>4chan.com
anon...

>>24561320
>Mr. 4chan
>4chan
Ahem, I prefer to be called Mr. 4channel! I will have you know 4channel is a much different website than 4chan! For instance, /lit/ is found on 4channel, but /pol/ and /b/ are not.
Someone needs to learn Max Lawton that there is a difference between 4channel.org and 4chan.org. 4channel is for the enlightened thinker, whereas 4chan is for the dreaded sophomoric Nazi! I cast my glove at your feet Max Lawton!

>>24561367
based and 4channelpilled

>>24561188
you are retarded

>>24561298
That's what it sounds like. Is he a homo? What about the supermodels then?

>>24561642
He literally wrote an autobiographic gay novel about his gay experimentation in college.

>>24561658
>it really is unbecomingly vain to wax eloquent on the subject

>>24561642
>>24561658
It's possible that Max bottoms for the foreigners he wants to translate. Just look at this picture. He has feminine energy while Sorokin is clearly the man in charge. Max also said somewhere that he "loves" the ejaculating painting.

>>24561777

Knowing that the OP pic was for his Grindr profile does cast everything in a new light. There is nothing wrong with bottoming btw but it would be better if it was with a young twink that was smaller than him, since he seems like a big guy

max lawton nonces kids

>>24561808
STOP DOXXING ME AND MY FAMILY
STOP THIS PUBLIC HARASSMENT CAMPAIGN
NAZI

>>24558126
The guy who wrote that substack article sounds so femenine and insiffurable and retarded

>>24562395
max pls

>>24561658
That is clearly AI written

>>24559275
He has no actual understanding of the Russian language. I genuinely do not get how he is not embarrassed to post a link to the Wikipedia dictionary as an own, when it doesn't even support his usage. He did not even bother to properly respond to the critiques of his Russian.
>Regarding TELLURIA: "into" is a typo. It should be "in." So "began to wiggle his little feet in his old boots." TELLURIA was the first time I was edited by a publishing house and some errors like that slipped through unfortunately. I was quite green––or should I say unripe??
Some errors? Slipped through? On the very first page?
>Everything else is a stylistic choice.
>This is simply not how translation works
Oddly sounds like this anon, doesn't it: >>24559099 >>24559158
Hi, Max.

>>24563156
Did you see the part in the reddit comments where he said the new edition of Telluria / Blue Lard was going to fix the translation mistakes? lmao he subtly accepted he's wrong

>>24563156
>I was quite green––or should I say unripe??
i love this guy

>>24563308
More like cruel to the language

>>24563308
yea we know you love yourself, max. a little too much.

what writer would want his work to be translated by an annoying drama queen who wants to be the center of attention? know your place, servant.

>>24563522
it really is unbecomingly vain to wax eloquent on the subject

>>24563259
>implying he knows which mistakes he needs to fix
lol

He is so thin skinned

>>24565073
he's so fucking sensitive
I have more respect for waldun who never once cried about 4chan than i do for max "mega-nonce" lawton

>>24565314
lmao great observation

>>24558182
>.com

>>24565314
it's what happens when you've never been told 'no' in your life nor faced any conflict or hardship.

>>24565073
"le doxxing!" and it's just public shit you can find in social media or in print

Feeling pleased picturing Max with his phone constantly refreshing this thread, seeing all of the horrible things said about him.

Remember, your dad's net worth is more than everyone in this thread combined, Max. You can handle it.

Remember that Andrei from the Untranslated used like us before M*x Lawt*n's influence ruined him.

>>24565073
What a fucking faggot

>>24565400
This is him now (now deleted tweet btw). Lying about what happened. Dishonest cunt.

lol this dude has a reddit account

>>24565363
oh is he some nepocuck? is that why he went to a pay-to-win school like columbia?

>>24565455
How do you think someone so incompetent gets all these publishing contracts. Like this anon said >>24559301 you can bet pretty much all of them are nepo babies.

>>24565414
>doxxed his family
Literally never happened. An address for Max Lawton or any of his family members has never been made public. All we know is his wife is the Turkish director Ecem Lawton...but Max has posted that multiple times on his Instagram and he wrote that his wife is Ecem Lawton on his Wikipedia page, which he writes himself. The only person "doxxing" Max is Max Lawton.
>being harassed by 4channers
People on 4chan critiquing your translation and saying you're a bad translator is not harassment.

>>24561777
>>24561658
>>24559864

So "Maximum Penetration" actually refers to the depth of his butthole?

>>24565540
https://www.ecemlawton.com/about-1
>She is able to capture the true essence of her subjects and turn them into a product that reveals their wildest, fullest potential, giving them the guidance and tools they need in order to actualize their dreams.

>Her vision as a filmmaker is marked by underlying art-historical, philosophical, literary and mythological references. She makes ample use of subliminally placed motifs, lights that might be described as “gallery psychedelica,” daring camera movements, and iconic dance choreographies that create meaning through movement. Ecem creates unique, timeless art pieces that are powerful enough to precipitate a sea-change in the culture.

>>24565555
why would lawton water his WASP blood down by marrying a turk? I assume she's of ottoman nobility but still

>>24565555
>>24565540
Eccem Homo lmao

>>24565555
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdrLT6wbngY
max is looking and acting zesty in this video
the theory that he is a homo who gets fucked for book translations may have a grain of truth to it

>>24565598
MOMMY MOMMY ME WANT MILKY

>>24565555
I have seen her some of her "work". And it is trash. She is a way bigger nepobabby than him.

>>24565587
Anatolians were ancient Greeks and Trojans

>>24565555
This is some of her work. "Kenan Dogulu: Bumaya". Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRL9jIQTFBc

this whole thread just makes me dislike art. if you come up with a better way to make steel or batteries, it's undeniable value creation, but at this point art just feels like a confidence game. moreover, that nitpicked celine passage made me uninterested in any of celine's b-tier output regardless of translator.

>>24565679
>Hello, I am a STEM bugman
Thanks for blogposting. We won't miss you.

test

>>24565598
zesty and pussywhipped

why is he such a tryhard

>>24565649
Kek, this is so fucking cringe.