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>What is Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royalroad, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

> Advice for Noobs!
Running your story like the business it is:
https://www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

On writing webserials:
https://alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/

Sanderson's Writing lectures 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY

>>24559205 (OP)
What is the point of this release schedule?
Why not spread them out?

/wng/ Daily Quest

>reply to start your timer
>write your slop
>24 hours later reply with a reaction + report based on your progress toward the goal

Word goal of the day:
>1200 words
Quote of the day:
>"Habit beats talent every single time"

>>24559247
maybe he's running the meta of speedrunning to 20k words asap to reach eligibility for RS that a lot of launch guides recommend
the tortoise method makes more sense to me though

>>24559256
If you've got backlog then every 12 hours makes way more sense.

Anyone here, just pivoted to sexually gratifying works for attention. Got some good attention on my futa fantasy smut novel, now I'm juggling two pennames and it's exhausting at the moment. Not the workload, but the focus, attention.

Instead of launching a generic slop of a story, I feel I should write something smutty that still falls into royalroad's guidelines and could still be a hit on scribblehub. eh? Not looking for permission or a fix. Just indecisive.

>>24559247
>.png
this got me thinking, how does everyone handle their chapter names (if you have them at all)?
i think single words or slightly longer/more poetic ones can be great
one-dimensional and purely describing what happens like "A Chat with Xiaowei" is shit though

>>24559263
I would argue that 8 to 12 hours per day, hourly is the best option, rather than dropping all at once.

>>24559247
>>24559280
my autism would make me do a chapter every 3 hours so i can get 8 chapters out every 24 hour cycle

>>24559272
If I had more energy I'd definitely do the same. Got a pretty simple and 'wholesome' Generation ship smut story outline from my amphetamine abuse days laying around that shocking still holds up.

>>24559272
I write sexually gratifying works for relief. Curiously I have a story based on CYOA that is my longest single piece of writing.

>>24559272
>just pivoted to sexually gratifying works for attention
I wish i could write so I could do this....

>>24559205 (OP)
Fuck the perfect run. I remember reading this hunk of shit like two years ago, after seeing it had the highest rating on lightnovelworld and came away extremely dissatisfied. I then went to the comments to write my 1 star review and saw the author getting all pissy and whining that we weren’t reading it on royal road. After that I decided to never read a western WebNovel again. I mean who do they think they are? They write WebNovels, they aren’t writing the next divine comedy or les miserables. Some people have such arrogance that it astounds me.

>brodude just kabedon'd his co-worker and demanded they start dating
My mind has become pure sloponium.

Read more slop. Not 4chanslop, but something that was (is?) on Rising Stars, thought I might mix it up and see what "success" is. Overworked Otome Gatekeeper.

Despite the title it doesn't really have much to do with that subgenre throughout the entire first volume. There's hints of those tropes, but the usual structure of a engagement annulment and the villainess going her own way, and all the academy stuff after that isn't really here. That aside the sentences are quite good. It's an easy read, and decently interesting, and despite seeming to be proud of the OC donut steel magic system doesn't infodump much about it in the volume (shows restraint). The characters are mostly interesting and have charm, but are odd in that the dialogue repeatedly trends towards extremely serious heart-to-hearts multiple times in the volume. I think it's a little overwrought. My biggest gripe would be that unlike my two fantasy darlings from here, this guy seems to have a way worse grasp on plot. It's a whole bunch of emotional character moments for characters that really haven't done anything yet almost right up to the end when suddenly everything happens back to back. The interlude about the protagonist's father and Royal Guardsmen was actually extremely interesting on its own, perhaps a better story even.

It doesn't rely on tropes much, nor spamming meme tags, and seems to have made it solely due to getting promoted by ??? (I didn't care to look into it) and good workmanship with the writing. Could have been better, the author can write dialogue and emotion but not so much plot. Gonna catch up on Rabbit and Crow now, and the new chapter of Black Sun.

>>24559329
I have no idea how people can stomach more than 3 chapters of this drivel

>>24559098
If you’re worried about white room, describe the materials used to make items in the room. Set out food and describe the meal they’re eating to set the tone. They in a tent? What is it made out of? What are the characters wearing, and what can that immediately tell me about the setting?

New chappie of Black Sun out! I hope readers don't pick up how heavily my giant monster fights are inspired from Nightreign

Right, boys. Thinking of a series of episodic stories that combine a harem of monstergirls & "cozy" murder mysteries set in the 1920s where every pulp horror thing is based on true facts.

POV character would be hapless but charming Miskatonic U graduate Howie Craftlove. Haremettes would include a German big titty goth(ic) assistant Eva F, a flatbrat vampire, probably a fae of some sort, and since we like a cheeky joke sometimes there'll be a catgirl for Howie. Eva's there to stay, the others rotate in on a case basis after their initial meet & fuck.

>>24559276
I kinda like the idea of using chess names like in Last Exile desu

>>24559451
meant things like sicilian's defense and countergambit I mean

>>24559448
I like it. Not too pretentious or sneering, not too gratuitous. Just right.
Would definitely recommend reading the Call of Cthulhu rpg for added confidence.

>>24559451
>>24559455
i just looked them up, pretty neat
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Last_Exile_episodes

>>24559329
I read the first chapter and was invested for 5 mins, thinking is this guy going to actually struggle to win, but no, he pulls an effortless, perfect comeback after restarting once. It already told me enough what kind of story it was going to be, fucking boring.

>>24559205 (OP)
The perfect run was correct to be honest, not frustrating enough for me to drop, and I can't say the same for many others

There are many great moments but by the end we can literally feel the author rushing through things

Also the blurb is slightly misleading, we expect a chaotic neutral Mc, but it's chaotic good, then gradually to neutral good. No a deal breaker but I still feel insulted.

And the MC is a Mary Sue, even with time loop power, but I admit that it isn't that obvious when compared to other novels

Won't say much about the romance since it will spoil but it's clearly the worst part of this novel

>>24559400
White room is only an issue if the readers think it is issue.
I have talked with many people, and it is interesting how different people's preferences are.
Some expect a certain level of descriptions, while they feel even the smallest visual detail is a mistake.

>>24559400
>>24559483
The fact of describing everything is that it's a very effective way of padding wordcount. Considering the meta, that's important. Describing the powers is the best of descriptions because the pigs love that slop. That's how Celestial Forge stories get so stupid huge.

>snowflake method
>enneagram
my slop is writing itself now

>>24559515
Qrd?

>>24559489
>Celestial Forge stories
What's that?

374 words to go.

>>24559530
a very dumb framework for crossover fanfiction where the overpowered self insert mc gets powerups based on the word count of the fic

>>24559483
>>24559489
>five hundred words plot
>one thousand words describing the food, the outfits, the architecture, the currency, the tax policy, the phenotypes of the local ethnic group, the layout of the city, the caste system, the linguistic tendencies, and the local flora and fauna
I will now read your slop.

>>24559541
GURM novels don't have be 1 million words each, if he left out explicit food descriptions, he would have finished the books by now

138 words to go.

>>24559541
I have way too much about the currency and taxes and actually got told by both the slopmachine and human reviewers to do less with the ethnicities so I guess there's that.

>>24559568
GRRiM doesn't get shit done because he's fat and fat people think fat thoughts.

>>24559532
Nigger what in the actual breathing name of fuck
This is beyond grim.

Alright just finished mol, what now?

>>24559579
Did you do real ethnic groups or did you have some descended from dragons and others with crystal hair and shit?

>virgin succubi

>>24559620
Go to the update page, pick something with just one chapter, read it and review it.
Rinse and repeat 4 times.

>>24559620
Read all 15 millions words of The Wandering Inn.

>>24559638
How bad could it be?

>>24559620
Retvrn to tradition
Read MTL xianxia

>>24559646
Starting cradle, got it.

>>24559393
something you'll note as you read more successful stories is that the meme 'optimization' advice barely applies
good writing will do a lot of work

>>24559646
Give me a list twin

>>24559627
I really love fancy rituals and coached sex so that's honestly super my thing.
Picrel.
>Sa—
Shut up the original is 15mb

>start feeling genuinely ill when not slopping
So this is the power of [Cultivation]??

>>24559489
Why do you need to paddle shit out in RR?
Isn't the point satisfy the reader so they leave a good rating?

>>24559653
>the original is 15mb
H-how?
>>24559669
>Most will only pick stories that are over 300 pages.
>You need to pump a 2.5k chapter while having a writer's block and nothing else is coming to mind.
>You already made it and is just doing the equivalent of punching the card.

>>24559653
Womb tattoos are so hot

>>24559669
it is
guy has a backwards view
he's nooticing average chapter length without examining the storytelling conventions which lend to those lengths
top level thinkers are the opposite of analytical. they don't try to understand, they just notice and conclude

25 words to go.

>>24559646
I already went through all of Reverend Insanity (the peak of the entire genre) so there's no point in going back to that.

>>24559676
>>Most will only pick stories that are over 300 pages.
That would certainly explain why awful shit is successful as long as it has numbers.
I guess I don't really the mentality of web novel readers.
I'd imagine people read these during commutes.

>>24559727
300 pages was an exaggeration of mine, but readers do prefer works with already something written as starting writers have the habit of abandoning stories.
>I'd imagine people read these during commutes.
Yes, commute, lunch or binging.

>>24559727
if you're a black company salaryman reading two chapters a day on the train to and from work, you'll quickly catch up on a story which releases a chapter a week
people value serials as a consistent and reliable presence. the reader stays immersed in the story and gets to enjoy the routine of reading it for as long as there are chapters
nobody wants to invest themselves in something that might randomly get dropped or fall off in quality. being able to confirm a story 1. exists 2. doesn't have reviews saying it turns to shit at chapter 30, does a lot for securing a reader's confidence

>>24559737
>We're seeing the emergence of a literary form derived from the lack of arable land on the South Korean peninsula

>>24559733
>300 pages was an exaggeration of mine,
nah man, tons of people in this space refuse less than 500 or 1000 pages if not higher. web serial readers want chunky works

Any webnovel recs which either emphasis on a male MC ryona'ing females wherever he go or a female MC that basically got raped everytime she went out of her room. I'm speaking in hyperbolical terms of course. Not really looking for an erotica. I brose nh*ntai and r/guroerotica for distilled human suffering, preferably through the humiliation and violation of their most sacred identity (being a beautiful wom*n). The graphic of sex itself doesn't really interests me and I skipped most of the pages and text depicting sex unless it displays a good visual on the violation of a wom*n. No point in reading the same lines about a wom*n enjoying getting gr&ped 1000 times.


Funnily, my first introduction to RR is through Everybody loves Large Chest. Some good stuff, but too spread out and sporadic.

>>24559764
wtf

>>24559764

>>24559767
No anon, Everybody Loves Large Chests was my introduction to RR too, it's not that weird

>>24559764
So this is the target audience of genocidal Chinese mcs

>>24559770
>I brose nh*ntai and r/guroerotica for distilled human suffering, preferably through the humiliation and violation of their most sacred identity (being a beautiful wom*n).

>>24559772
Oh,that part? Yeah, That's pretty weird I guess

>>24559764
this is not something I've ever looked for but the freaks on AO3 original works might have what you want

>>24559771
lol

2250 words of gong slop are finally done.

>>24559798
why not 2500?

>>24559653
>I really love fancy rituals and coached sex so that's honestly super my thing.
what webnovel are you speaking of, i want to read it

>>24559587
To add some extra spice on top, it is somewhat common for those celestial forge fics to enter a "death spiral" where the author spends all 1000 words writing about the new cheat power and the protagonist musing about all the synergies with his existing powers until the just-writing-about-powers part hits enough wordcount that they add ANOTHER power and end up infinitely powering up with literally nothing happening in the story and zero plot progression

>>24559809
Because 250 words isn't enough to write the next scene.

>>24559815
why not 4500?

>>24559814
When Tesla perfected alternating current, when Gutenberg invented occidental movable type, when Alexander conquered the known world, this is what they were striving towards.

>>24559817
Would take too long.
Stop being my nonexistent Chinese grandma.

>>24559820
also it's fanfiction so this nonsense infinite powercreep spiral is happening with naruto or harry potter somewhere off screen in the distance despite that really not mattering at all

stop being chinese

>>24559810
The one I'll have to write because apparently there's almost nothing that quite scratches the itch the way I want to.
>>24559677
Real

>>24559676
Uncompressed pixiv stuff
https://gelbooru.com/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=6576533

>>24559825
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
>Worm
>JumpChain
JFC Reddit and /tg/ brewed this up together

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/123486/the-class-of-9099/chapter/2444403/hardware-hot-food
Updated.
Time to get some sleep.

>>24559839
Will there be Yuri? I'm not reading if there's Yuri.

>>24559845
Gagarin?

>>24559771
kinda, but most of those are either slop or badly translated. Really hard to curate.

>>24559770
Discovered a lot of good stuff while looking up for ryona, Goblin Slayer and the whole villainess genre comes to mind, though the latter are mostly slop, and both basically ryona-bait and failed to deliver.

>>24559781
All the good writers there also have accounts in hentaifoundry, and the aforementioned guroerotica. Too much slop writers and even worse, too much homosexuals and furries freaks in these websites.

>>24559839
I read some of your prologue and have some advice.

I think your writing is fine in the sense that its not going to be something that would turn off the average reader. But I think you could focus more on pacing out the introduction of characters a bit better. We got introduced to the guy with the tool bet at the dock, and then right away we're given a contrasting character that he's talking with.

The problem with how its written is that we haven't had time to digest the first character introduced. This could be accomplished by an extra paragraph or two that just creates some time with him on his own.

It doesn't help when the prose mentions stuff like the other character basically being his opposite. It's better to let the reader infer that for themselves through their interaction.

Hope this helps a bit.

>Post story
>spend the rest of the day reading & rating recently updated stories from people sharing my tags
Oh yeah it's literature time.

>>24559272
do you post these on RR or on another venue

>>24559972
Web novels aren’t literature. That is a term of respect.

Is 4stats frozen for anyone else?

>>24559980
literature of character
you wouldn't get it

>>24559973
RR doesn't allow stories that are mainly smut,so probably he doesn't.
>>24559981
Yeah, just checked here and it's frozen in my end too.

The hardcore rapesmut guy also being a social reactionary is funny ASF.

>>24559775
>completely unhinged post
>respond with "wtf"
>anon assumed it was about the most innocent part
What?
You're also weird

ever since learning pirateaba is a brony im no longer excited for new chapters. the magic is gone. some truths are better off not knowing. i wish i could go back in time and stop myself from learning. i feel like the dude from interstellar banging on the bookcase.

>>24560033
That anon is clearly making a joke. You are either autistic or baiting (You)s. If so, you got me.

>>24560048
>You are either autistic
Fuck

>>24560041
Yeah, that doesn't affect my view of PirateAba at all, since it was obvious he was a furry with all the lizard dick and horsefucking shit, but I understand your point. I avoid learning more about authors because I want to engage with the art, not the artist.

>>24560048
How do you tell apart retards (that definitely exist) from people playing dumb as a joke?

>>24560041
>author is a freak
yes, obviously
normal people don't write. why let it get to you

>>24560048
>>24560070
You outted yourself as a freak in denial. That anon’s chain of thought wouldn’t even cross the mind of normal people.

>>24560070
Because it's a very common joke setup. It's anti-humor. He is subverting your expectation on what part of that anons post was surprising. Choosing the most mundane thing in an ocean of questionable sentences. That in of itself is what makes it humorous.

>>24560070
>how do you [interpret authorial intent]
read more

steady progress on the outline, i can see the ending just over the horizon, haha..

>>24560095
>You outted yourself as a freak in denial.
Definitely not in denial. but im not a freak like the original of this chain. just autistic
>>24560097
Makes sense, I don't give anons the benefit of the doubt because I've seen some wild shit. That wouldn't make top 10 if he'd been serious
>>24560100
kek

I had this irl writer m8 who I once used to chat about plenty of books, but once he hit writer's block he increasingly gave in to distractions and his spirit became decayed. Now he's turned into an unemployed alcoholic gooner greeting me with packs of e-thot whenever I check my phone. And he used to be the brightest of my consoomer friends. I feel bad for him but now I just ghost his ass for long periods to avoid getting caught in his gooncrab spiral. When most connections in the modern world are designed to hamper you from writing more pages, my suggestion is to only nurture those that provide as much integrity to you as you provide to them.

>>24560127
zoomer parlance word salad has a musicality to it sometimes that is just funny
sorry about your ex-friend gooner ghoul

>>24560127
>greeting me with packs of e-thot whenever I check my phone
Friends don't rope friends with e-thots, lest they become simps in crime

>>24560127
>gooncrab spiral

>>24560141
What does it mean that the #1 waifu trait for me is bags under the eyes?

>>24559764
The thread would benefit from someone of such refined taste posting more often!
Anyways, if you want female suffer porn slop I remember seeing a lot on pandamtls, but that’s porn so there’s naturally going to be a lot of sex
‘No to being the Suffering Heroine’, ‘The society’s pet daughter’ and maybe ‘I come from the abyss to save humanity’ come to mind immediately for nonsmut (kind of) works, though they’re all TS (Korean non ts fem mcs are 99.99% fluffy or power fantasies otherwise because the women there don't have a concept of suffering).
Searching up Texas/Lappland or just Lappland (Arknights) on Ao3 is also a great idea if you want some tasteful suffering. My personal favorite writer for that is 1_Crow_1, but he’s a unique writer (also chinese so you’ll have to MTL on google chrome) so wouldn’t recommend basing the entirety of the tags off of him if you don't like his works. I'm also a fan of Altyxil.
I like you so I'll pull out one of the better .TXTs from my personal chinese stash https://files.catbox.moe/5b7a8r.txt (wheelchair sister incest)
You asked for WN but I thought I might as well let you know that Touhou manga are also a great source of suffering https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/water_mirror

>multiple anti social sadists in the thread
what's wrong with sloppers

>>24560133
I was so afraid of ending up like that gent I began consuming large amounts energy supplements to get me through the day. They get my eyes wide open and strangle the fuel out of my synapses to jot down those words so yeah power drinks did help erradicating brainfog before I fell prey to his goontricks. Literally the antigoon minion arc https://youtu.be/C0OZY2MhM8Y

>>24560157
Yeah, I agree, anti social people are weird

>mecha webnovel
>stats are only increased because the MC finds parts and weapons for his mech

Don't know if I want this to be more pokemon-esque or gundam esque. I think pokemon styled doll fighting has more legs

>>24560127
Been there done that.
After a while you're so hollowed out you can't even RP basic dialogue.
From what I've seen you need to have a really solid writing baseline established before you add any kind of degeneracy not the other way around.

>>24560163
Sounds a lot like Cogmind, basically, you're a robot scraping for parts and your stats depend on what parts you're using

>>24560163
Watch Kamen Rider Build and Digimon Tamers.

>>24560161
are you practicing subversive humor
cute autist

>>24560147
yes

>>24560157
Excuse me nigger suffering is antislop

>>24560163
Fundamentally anti-mecha sentiment. You have to structure your upgrades like you are selling toys to children. You have the base form, then the booster pack addon for extra firepower, then the high speed mode, the underwater mode, the animal mode, sword, combined armor hyperzord mode, and then job to the mid-season baddie after steamrolling everything else. THEN you get the mid-season upgrade after the mech got trashed and introduce the upgraded forms of all the add-on parts after that. How the fuck can someone write mecha and not understand this?

>>24560147
No idea but I empathize.
I honestly want to write harem sloppa not for the Algo but so I can push a perpetually tired immortal (she messed up the ritual so while she can't die of old age she basically needs a Husky's volume in coffee to even move) as the main love interest.

>>24560165
Don't you say. I once thought writing smut was easy money, but the further I tried to write, the more I whacked my productive drive with the bat of hedonism. So I went back to writing SFW and things rewound well enough to quarantine the idea of writing NSFW. Once you gaze into the abyss, you know the rest.

>>24560180
ghastly rigamarole

What do you use for slopping on phone?

>>24560169
i am autist anon and that was not me
are you schizo anon who conflates everyone? I feel like you are. admit it, i admitted my autism. have integrity

>>24560211
Just my phone's basic notepad app. I email it myself then paste it into Scrievner.

>>24560213
I just thought it'd be a funny situation for you to immediately started copying what you'd learned about

>>24560230
So you are that anon who keeps combining normal common traits into the same person, right? Because there's a dude who keeps doing that

Why are we getting raided?

>>24560236
I conflate gong and FFF but that's it. those two both announce it's them when they're around
I am not broschizo

>>24560213
>>24560236
Are you SEA perchance? Yes or no. If yes, I think i know what exact ethnicity you are. That writing style is very emblematic.

>>24560247
I think the people here are just naturally retarded, unfortunately.

>>24560250
>I think i know what exact ethnicity you are
I imagine this would be the funniest super-power:
>"Can you identify him anon?"
>*Licks a coin touched by the killer*
>"Pinoy."

>>24560250
i am american. i literally can't even imagine what makes something SEA, because i don't think about ESLs
im curious now though, give me the breakdown. what is SEA ESL writing like. what part of my posts made you think that

>>24560236
the irony

>>24560266
>sees some dude combining people into one person
>asks one of the people doing it if he's the same guy, not even making an assumption, but just asking
i don't see the irony. but also im autistic so

>>24560269
the assumption is what drives the question
the question is answered by the asking of the question. HE is the one combining people into one person

there are only two people in this thread
the person that writes and the person that reads
yes ALL linked fiction is written by the same person. And all critique of it comes from the same person

>>24560264
Trace amount of ESL, but more importantly, a very distinct need for validation/vindication of self. I observe that this is a very specific SEA thing not autists’. No one else did this. The fact that you reiterate that you are an autists strengthen my suspicion.


>american

This doesn’t mean anything

>>24560280
i am american and even i think you're retarded
reflect

>>24560280
...?
what is your damage

I am broschizo and I was right so don't be mad at me. This is my first post ITT. Fuck off

Suspiciously timed. I am Noticing

>>24560274
fuck,,,, i'm the gurofag?
i just wanted autistic antisocial dungeon core slop with 0 companion characters nor social interaction

>>24560301
In a way, you actually are, because if someone enters you, and you kill them, your only interaction is watching their gory death.
So that makes you a gurofag.

>>24560293
Broschizo-sensei¡?¡?¡¡?¡? As the infamous SEA Filipino schizo I.... I KNEEL

>>24560301
based hermit

>>24560310
Oh hey FFF

>>24560315
I didn't want to be the one to point out that there was a sudden influx of absolutely retarded posts

>>24560248
Meds. Now.

Thank god f-anon is here to take the blame for my retardation

>>24560317
I mean you can look at past threads and see he’s always active at this time. The retarded /dbs/ meme was also a dead giveaway. Just give him one star and ignore

You guys are so mean to K-Man...

>>24560328
I've decided to use all particularly annoying posts as a platform to suggest people review bomb FFF

>>24560331
You’re jelly as fuck just always posting about this guy HAHA

>>24560335
>exchanged KEK for HAHA
man. you are so stupid

the anime pic posters are the only people i actually like in this thread
ok im going to bed good night retards

>>24560343
night retard
*kisses ur cheek*

>>24560343
oysumi

>>24560108
we getting there

>Puffs a cigarette while leaning against a wall and looking up at the moon
Being a ryonafag is suffering.

The hero stands no chance against the village girl's [Q-Class] equipment.

Read a real doorstopper

>>24560408
a shame your brain wasn't wired correctly

>>24560412
I went to the supermarket fairly recently and saw one of Sanderson's books there; man, talk about literal /doorstopper/ with these things.

Is comfy fantasy with unnecessarily detailed cooking and other slice of life elements still en vogue? Thinking about doing a thinly veiled Rune Factory story on RR.

>>24560442
fuck around and find out

>>24560442
Do it

>>24559997
For general smut, ao3, scribblehub, literotica, hentaifoundry, webnovel. royalroad is stingy about erotica, don't wanna go on a, "Zey control ze world" tirade. But much like how card companies, are punishing erotic artists across multiple industries. royalroad doesn't want their site tainted with boobies

So does anyone outline their novel or do they just come up with an interesting premise and pray that it can carry them across hundreds of chapters?

>>24560467
I could see outlining working if you're already thinking about your work in terms of bundling chapters into books. Otherwise, I don't think anyone's capable of doing more than a extremely broad strokes outline for something that'll reach 1k+ chapters.

Reminds me of the fact that you really can't rewrite earlier chapters. Takes time away from writing new stuff. In the end you have to conform new writing to old writing, in a way.

>>24560467
I outline fully in prose like in picrel from my wip(I don't expect anyone to read it so it's whatever); I treat it as a 0.5 first draft I use as a basis for the actual first draft which will obviously be a lot more in-depth and nuanced per chapter. Sometimes there may be specific parts that are more elaborate in a scene than others like dialogue or specific things but this is the general gist of the whole thing(15k words so far).

My previous attempt at trying to pants write a full length 3-volume series was a total disaster and I dropped it 400k words in. I've been experimenting with a full outline since then, a short story and it worked much better than I expected so I'm doing it again with a full novel length work. So far so good.

I like villainous/evil protagonists but everything's always too easy for them that the story's too boring to slog though. They're too cocky. Someone please write a story about a villainess with a petty and spiteful personality that continues to struggle in the mud despite being banished or something, make them experience meaningful hardships/loss and take them off the advantageous position for once. No, shoelacers don't count.

>>24560442
>unnecessarily detailed cooking
no such thing as too much food detail. embrace your inner brian jacques

>>24560514
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/48531/unfortunately-im-an-evil-villainess

This one looks promising, might be within the women hater schizo alley too. Really hard to find desu. Back in the day I even checked fanfics featuring Malty Melromac, no luck.

>>24560529
Oh, this looks fun. Thanks for the reccomendation.

>>24560514
tons of petty and spiteful MCs in chinese webslop but very few losers

>>24560543
yeah the minute a chinese mc bangs his head against a low-hanging beam that carpenter's family is getting exterminated to the ninth degree

>>24560670
don't forget the dogs and the chickens

>>24560543
i’ve seen the decisive killing tag best summarized by a chinese webnovel author in his blurb: “no ‘decisive killing’ which means the indiscriminate murder of innocents.”

>>24559250
Only did 1300 words today. Tomorrow will be better, surely.

>>24559205 (OP)
Exactly what I was looking for. Has a timeloop ever be done in an acceptable way? It's either person gets set back in time, like in a previous state of the universe or everything gets set back. What I have rn is that only a part gets set back, but this might be risky is something else is at the exact same spot. This would end in collision.

do you listen to music when writing to get into the mood? my mood just got fucked by an edgy song and now i want to drop my story and write about edgy vampires. vampires are cool.

>>24560744
Time looping is a shitty gimmick that only works in comedy. In a serious story it's just a tedious crutch that renders 99% of what happens as irrelevant filler.

>>24559764
https://www.scribblehub.com/series/1226237/succeed-or-fall-into-depravity-as-a-witch/

Includes:
>male to female gender bending
>mass feminisation and depravity
>demon tree rape and impregnation
>succubus transformation
>a villainous king gets forcibly turned into a loli and married to her son, the prince
>changing your gender in order to be together with your genderbent lover
>cucking yourself by pretending to be a different person while raping your lover
>being a hive-mind harem for your best friend
>extreme gaslighting
>getting your penis turned into a flying sword and that getting genderbent as well
It’s a chink translation though

>>24560761
time looping is fine

>>24560744
The universe is in a state of static birth and rebirth where everyone lives out the same lives for an infinite number of times, time looping is merely preserving their consciousness until the universe dies and dropping it off after it progresses to the time they died in its last cycle or somewhere near it.

>>24560768
>haremslop

>>24560408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sMQpWCNTQw

>>24560768
Anon follow the conversation he's gonna whine

I wish I had the Spring Autumn Cicada

>>24560761
but anon I'm writing a serious timeloop story...

>prepared a plot where the MC can no longer cope and ends up massacring all of the companions introduced at the beginning of the volume
>climax of the volume, fully revealing the extent of the MC’s unhinged nature that has had hints dropped since the first chapter
my only worry is when i publish after finishing my backlog it’ll result in 90% of my viewers leaving.

it’s an odd thing to worry about, but i’ve found in practice that my mind is less sturdy than i’d thought it was. i once wrote a short, meandering serial of 48k words and one very fair review with a well-justified bad score completely knocked down my will to complete the story.

i’ve found an odd phenomenon where while i won’t get upset at getting bad reviews. moreover, i am completely unaffected by unfairly given bad reviews. but any bad review that has the slightest justification or validity of its criticisms, even only point, completely wrecks my will and drive to continue writing said story.

>>24560837
Multiple seems a bit excessive, one should be enough for that sort of angle. Quality over quantity, one developed bond is worth more than a hundred lesser ones.

>>24560837
>"my protagonist is......... le mad!!!"

Dear sloppers, recommend me your favorite writing advice youtuber. Hard mode: no onions men, and no women

>>24560865
They only know Brandon Sandersoy and the Mormon Mafia. Kek!

>>24560863
if it worked for the ancients it’ll work for me

>>24560778
Excellent argument, clown

>>24560865
I've recommended localscriptman before. his gargantuan storytelling guide and enneagram videos were a complete game changer for me. very actionable writing advice without any of the clichéd platitudes you usually get from creators in this space.
he's slowly going insane recently though so I've been archiving all his stuff in case he nukes his own channel

>>24560890
should probably add that he readily acknowledges the enneagram as pseudoscience but posits that it can be made useful (especially in a writing context) when considered not as an unhelpful, reductive framework of personality types but as pathology types. don't let its reputation put you off
his video on dialogue is great too

>>24560768
I can tolerate, support even, a simple gender bend, as it acts as an effective SI mechanism. But this looks like its written by a raging homosexual tranny high on drugs.

i don't want to read things that aren't written by people on copious amounts of drugs

>>24559205 (OP)
I kinda want to include a new map in every chapter.
But it would be a bold move, most people don't like maps, so it might be alienating.

Genderbender is always fucking gay. Either write shoujo or yuri, not this closeted cop-out.

>>24560768
Told you he was gonna have a melty.

>>24560948
Real women are lame though

>>24560933
sad to say anon most people skim over the maps

>>24560968
This. Unless I'm really confused about geography, even then maps are a bitch on ereaders.

>>24559205 (OP)
Got an idea
>a misogynist is isekaid into a matriarchy
>he begins transforming into a patriarchy

>>24560961
Then BL is your thing

>>24560984
already done, lame excuse to start harem slop over

>>24560993
oh, what did it?

>>24560988
But men are ugly

simply write a story where two(or more) girls fuck. It is not difficult.

My protagonist will have a different, doomed love interest in every volume.

May or may not be based on a true story.

>>24561005
>men are ugly

please stop being chinese

>>24559205 (OP)
>20 views
Maybe I should resort to AI slop covers

>>24560865
Writing advice? I just wing it, watch me as I become the best writter by doing nothing.
>>24561133
How many chapters have you posted?

>>24561133
Even with that change don't realistically expect better. It's a fact that almost all series on RR (and other sites) fail, only a few % gain traction. I'm not sure it's any better than trad publishing given the site's recent growth.

>>24561136
>How many chapters have you posted?
Two

>>24561153
Shongmanon? Anyway that's normal, you need to pump those chapters and wait, you won't blow by just two chapters, no ads, and shoutouts, no matter how good your idea is.

>>24561153
I guess I got very lucky with the slop I made previously, back then /wg/ told me even 100 was absolute garbage, so I gave up the project thinking it wasn't good enought.

>>24561171
>gave up after 19 pages

>>24561166
Yes, that is me. I don't expect to blow.

>>24561181
Yes, because it wasn't enought. I tried to rewrite the first chapter, and was actually told it was worse.

>>24561189
Why do you think people would pick up a story, when THERE IS NO STORY, retard

>>24561189
100 views is very good for your last story! I got around 20 views for every chapter when I posted and it's sitting now at a cool 183 after more than a month (it's a finished short story).

>>24561201
How do you know there is no story?
Short stories can contain a story within a thousand words.

>>24561207
Oh, that's sucks. I guess competition has somehow gotten a lot worse within a year.

I think I've synthesized the ideal backlog & update formula from the various pieces of advice floating around.
>backlog 66k words
>dump 1100 words twice a day 8 hours apart
>after 10 days reduce to 1100 every 3 days
>this allows you to slow down to 366 words a day while maintaining backlog integrity and keeps the story bumped until it's qualified for RS without being overwhelming

it's royal road. many users don't even consider reading something until it has 300 pages

>>24560784
it's 1v1, except both people have multiple bodies.
until the MC starts gets multiple personality disorder due too much gaslighting
>>24560920
how could penis in vagina be gay? also, trannies can't get preggers.

>>24561231
How the hell are you going to get anything done in 1k words per chapter?

>>24561248
>Get anything done

>>24561248
If you can't get something done in 1100 words you need to clean up your act.

>>24560707
Lol and that disclaimer probably turns away a huge portion of prospective readers

>>24561232
I guess people expect webnovels to have certain level of length before giving their time to it.
It does imply that quantity is favored over quality.

>>24561255
you're not wrong but another consideration is projects being abandoned. would you want to become invested in something if the author is potentially going to give up 19 pages in?

>>24561232
ive seen people say they filter for 1000 pages lol, 300 might be a lowball
people do definitely read serials for quantity

>>24561269
>would you want to become invested in something if the author is potentially going to give up 19 pages in?
I can become invested in story of any length.
I have read many first chapters in various writing forums, and many of them I still remember them.
Meanwhile I have also read longer stories that have completely escaped from my mind.

>>24560761
>renders 99% of what happens as irrelevant filler
Not true as long as the plot is framed as one of investigation and discovery and not about "beating badguy xyz".
The fun of timeloop stories is when they are all focused on the MC figuring stuff out and prying away at secrets and not so much on just getting stronger to fight bigger baddies (which such an op advantage renders basically inevitable)

>>24560768
>Includes:
Based. Gonna self insert as the woman in all of these scenarios.

>>24561278
Meanwhile I filter out serials based on how many chapters past the 200 mark they have
>see a novel with 1000+ chapters
>rule of thumb is that the author lost the plot somewhere in the 500-ish and began introducing new POVs and/or recycled the story into meandering episodic arcs

>>24560865
>Getting writing advice from youtubers
you have failed at the first step.
read a fucking book, stupid zoomzoom

>>24561278
I filter for "completed". simple as. No ending? shan't read.

>>24561415
Brandon Sanderson is a YouTuber

>>24561406
> get isekai’d as a fucking tranny
> got gr*ped
> can’t even properly enjoy the natural state plays out (the violation of thr feminime) since you’re a fucking tranny, and is forced to checked out of your mind not out of hurt or humiliation, but from pure distilled cringe.

>>24560768
I could mistake this for a Corruption of Champions plotline

>>24561440
This story was directly inspired by Corruption of Champions (and Rance i think):
https://www.scribblehub.com/series/694153/capture-target/

>>24561211
Short stories are completed short. Unlike your 2-chapter turds that were abandoned only because you didn't get enough attention and go nowhere.

>Finally gets a direction of where my fiction is going to go
>An idea for another fiction pops up
I'M NEVER WRITING ANYTHING, JUST MENTALLY OUTLINING SHIT IN MY HEAD!

>>24561429
>gr*ped
What went so wrong with broccolicucks?

>>24561402
>The fun of timeloop stories is when they are all focused on the MC figuring stuff out and prying away at secrets
Which could be done much better and more effectively in a regular story, and not one where you sit through hundreds of pages of tedious dicking around that just gets reset eventually.

>>24561498
Mass corporate surveilance, the ever-present threat of cancelling and life dictated by alghoritms has bred the weirdest generation.

>>24561498
Cuckservatives are just the other side of the Twitter freaks they're so obsessed with.

>>24561485
Isn't a circle?
>something isn't good enought
>so it doesn't get views
>so it it gets canceled

>>24561499
>Which could be done much better and more effectively in a regular story
name 3 webslops that fit this criterion. please

What are the main downsides to Scribblehub?

Hey I am new to this general. Can you write a good xianxia inspired webnovel? I am running out of passable chinese novels to read.
I want a novel that has no japanese/anime tropes, absolutely no harem, no romance, a capable and competent mc (take notes from Reverend Insanity), no child mc or supporting child characters (it's fine to transmigrate, but the mc cannot just mentally turn into an immature 12 yo), again take notes from RI, an man goes on a quest for immortality, he is driven and obssesed about his goal, nothing else matters, this is a common xianxia theme, write like that, don't write some story about a hero dying for his gf/village or whatever. That is boring and uninteresting.
Use lite litrpg if you must (and do not know enough about Chinese cultivation) or some generic western fantasy magic system, however it must be cool and power fantasy like, none of that fake lotr magic. Litrpg numbers, exp is fine for levelling up and tracking progress but drop the entire system thing.
Also avoid vampire, elf and necromancer elements. Dark magic is cool but necromancy is lame (you resurrect some zombies or skeletons and then what? There are several necromancer stories which started out strong (at least by rr standards) and then fizzled out quickly because necromancer was top class/job and author didn't know how to advance it further. Instead of dark magic pick something like an mc having an ability to learn spells and skills of characters/monsters, skilltree like that has tons of flexibility and it's much easier to advance.
Vampires have that hidden sex symbolism, same as elves, if there is no harem, no romance then sex isn't required either.
I've given you tips on how and what to write, now go and write.

>>24561507
Zoomers are essentially a triumph of Boomer hysteria to the point of flat out neutering an entire cohort.

>>24561551
You sound like the most insufferable type of fan.

>>24561546
Smaller userbase by a lot
Audience only really cares about smut and lgbt
Better tagging system than average, but really shitty trending page so no natural path to virality like with RoyalRoad's Rising Stars

that said there's no reason not to throw your shit on there, it's free and nonexclusive

>>24561551
The story you just described sounds miserable to me
You like reading that stuff?

Are the requests for fiction and fiction ideas some guy's idea of trolling or are people that clueless? It's becoming a pattern at this point.

>>24561556
I don't think I am insufferable, all I want is a good story, rr and other sites are filled with garbage.

>>24561559
Why do you think that way?
I think that power fantasy is exciting and it is the opposite of miserable.

>>24561551
Thank you ChatGPT, very cool

>>24561562
>>24561498

I have a theory.
1) Irl social navigation is becoming exponentially more vibes based as time goes on. For example formalized behaviors and dress codes are going away so rather than doing something as it has been told to you, you gotta read people's minds for every interaction.
2) The internet is turning into super insular niches that amplify dysfunction

Meaning if you're not a perfectly well adjusted extrovert real life and the internet will conspire to brainfuck you into an increasingly more soulless and unnerving state.

>>24561579
You are welcome!

>>24561576
>>24561568
Please take up a trip code. Thank you.

>>24561588
Tripcodes are mostly used to filter other posters. How am I going to contribute to the thread and engage in discussion if my posts get filtered?

>>24561557
Well I've been wanting to write a story about a temple whore so that works.

Oh so yes. He is trolling.

>>24561605
It's lame, but people do respond to his shit.

>>24561600
Yes, I agree, that premise sounds like SH would like it.

Why are we getting raided?

>>24561635
FFF guy triggered a tranny to shit the general
>>24561515

Talking about yourself in third person is sad ASF

>>24560761
Ye, seems like you are right. I strongly dislike butterfly effect.
>>24560761
>In a serious story it's just a tedious crutch that renders 99% of what happens as irrelevant filler.
Like avengers, huh?
>>24560778
Give me an example
>>24560782
Isn't that a multiverse? Somewhere near it, this means everything happens in the same universe? Hard to understand that "infinite number of times" happens all the time.
>>24560824
Can you give me some insight? My main problem right now is, what happens when the skip or jump is performed? A trigger would be great, too. I have alien tech, lol.
>>24561171
What's this?
>>24561402
>they are all focused on the MC figuring stuff out and prying away at secrets
Like what

>>24561568
You don't even like webnovels. Move on.

>mass quotation
Holy mother of sad.

>>24559205 (OP)
>>24559205 (OP)
This channel might be useful for writing web novels specifically. The most recent video and sorted by popular.

https://youtube.com/@sethringwrites

>>24561745
>What's this?
It's this complicated story about a civil war in an elective monarchy.
I rewrote the first chapter in December, but didn't post it to RR, until now.
If you are curious:
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/85251/demaine/chapter/2446706/chapter-1-conducas-i
I want that to be my magnum opus, but I will probably do a 3rd rewrite after I complete Shongma.

>>24561551
there are 10 million xianxia inspired slops on royalroad, most by people who have barely read the genre defining chinese works and are just parroting tropes/memes they saw from reddit plus slapping litrpg stuff on them. surely there is something there

didn't read your post past the second sentence btw

>>24561753
I like webnovels very much.

>>24561840
I can't think of a single rr novel that is even remotely close to chinese xianxia, the majority of them are shitty isekai/litrpg/smut

Don't feed the retard

>>24561181
>>24561189
>>24561201
>>24561211
>>24561485
thanks for the laugh you two

>>24561551
RI isn't very good thougheverbeit. There's nothing all that compelling about a regressor winning all the time. The tension is non-existent. Plus there's enough power fantasy xianxia being made in the east and west right now. If I was to write one I would instead try to make it more poetic and focused on daoist philosophy. One where protagonists involve themselves in dao discussions to find insights and breakthrough instead of the typical alchemy tournament where they can win x cultivation resource, eat it and power up.

>>24561831
>curious?
I am.
>>magnum opus
Bit much. Why do you want that work to be the arguably best? I'll check it out tomorrow, have a long train ride and would like to read it. Will give feedback, if thread is alive. You got any writing experience or maybe some theoretical background?

>>24562095
>Why do you want that work to be the arguably best?
Because I have this grand plan for multiple books, and I have spent a long time worldbuilding the setting.
>if thread is alive.
doubtful
>You got any writing experience or maybe some theoretical background?
I'm not sure what you mean.

>>24561992
>One where protagonists involve themselves in dao discussions to find insights and breakthrough
Any webnovels like that? I remember Eternal Sacred King had couple of chapters (out of +3000) about dao discussions.

This is the Volume Three cover. What do you think?

>>24562441
readers will think it's furryshit

>>24562441
Learn how to inpaint if you're going to use AI

im writing. type as i type

>>24562510
Already wrote and edited today, let me rest some.
Feeling down, NGMI.
>>24562441
Fine I guess, croco is kinda random (but it's AI) not as good as the second one.

>>24562441
It looks like unhinged AI slop, I'm sure it will draw the audience you’re looking for

>>24562441
I like it

>>24559329
I tried to read it a couple of times, didn't finish the first chapter once. The quality of the writing was abysmal. And i'm a veteran slop enjoyer. Would rather read chinese mtl than that.

>>24562441
what is this horror? it has human ears and the wrong head shape. matter of fact all of the animals have human hands with no fur. I would probably open it up and photo shop and remove the weird ai hallucination creatures in the bottom right.

>want to write good smut
>never experienced any form of sexual interactions nor romantic intimacy
>therefore I cannot write something that feels realistic
Any webnovels that have natural feeling smut? Male POV too if possible.

>>24562720
Don't worry, the people reading it haven't either

>>24562720
>want to write good smut
>never experienced any form of sexual interactions nor romantic intimacy
Playfulness leading to being both becoming handsy. A kiss where one teases the other by pulling away just out of reach. The push and pull between the two until one breaks and they begin stripping down the other. That's the kind of stuff I enjoy. If you haven't experienced it it may be harder to write but by no means impossible. Watch some porn where it's more romantic, has foreplay and kissing rather than some turbowhore being mating pressed by a dude with a dick that's way too large.

Smut that I enjoy is impossible to find. Most are just degenerate fetishbait from authors that have clearly never had sex and don't understand why it's enjoyable. Sex for the sake of it is an empty and uninteresting thing. It needs strong emotion behind it that guides it.

>>24561831
Is chapter one the first thing I'm supposed to read? Or the legacy stuff?

>>24562720
>therefore I cannot write something that feels realistic
Why does it need to be realistic? You're just setting yourself for failure

>author feels the need to explain adventurer's guild's structure, registration process, ranking system, etc.
Please, do not do this. Everyone reading this knows how these things work. You are not speaking to an audience of newbies. Your slight differences will never matter. Just use it like the shorthand it is and move on.

>>24563001
this except all lore and worldbuilding

>>24562720
People don't read smut for realistic sexual interactions, quite the opposite really.

>>24563014
I actually like unique lore and worldbuilding but if it's too zany and takes up pages then it's annoying
One of my favorite Chinese .txt files is an elf forest where it's the daily life of an elf child. Very unique culture and social system, not just a generic 'kingdom but with pointy eared forest humans :0', actively having the protagonist engage in things like gathering fruit with other elf children, archery practice, helping out the village chief/elder maintain books, interacting with different elf villages, unique myths and legends, social relationships and structures, their attitude towards foreign relations and the individuals that manage them.
If you're going to use a generic setting to serve as a backdrop for an interesting story, then that's fine, butif you're going to do so then you definitely shouldn't pour pages of descriptory paragraphs into if its not an important part of the story. The stories I like the most are the ones that strive to make the setting interesting not just for the sake of novelty like 'oh yeah this is like that', but to interact with the protagonist or other characters in a meaningful way and guide their development.

>>24563035
One look at /wbg/ on either /lit/ or /tg/ or even reddit's version makes you realize pretty fast how shit 99% of worldbuilding is. And how it's mostly maps apparently.

>search dungeon core
>status: Completed, Ongoing
>20 entries
>only one with a lot of pages
wtf
anon who trashed his dungeon core story, start it back up
I want to read some sloppa

Zenith of Sorcery any good?

FFFbro did the 'hero' prince go through with contacting our actual hero Jacques?

another day and another log logged.

>>24563300
Spoiler, sorry.

>>24563363
Can jacques make a good pourover?

>>24563366
It's actually illegal in Maria, and you could be lynched for asking that.

>>24563369
What an arcane setting you've come up with K-Man.

>>24563375
Imagine a world where people with a hole in their soul rul...oh wait, just ours.

I thought I was a thousand or more words behind schedule but I was only 200 words away.
oops, if I had done any writing yesterday I would have had my upload.
Brain damage is the enemy of consistency.

>>24563380
So Jericho got caught in a pleasure cult? He was eccentric but I didn't see this one coming. Great stuff K-Man

>>24563431
The cult goes beyond that. Everyone has a flaw that not only feels normal, but even becomes a source of pride, and Jericho got baited with carnal pleasure.

But again, no spoilers.

>>24563449
Crimes so monstrously elegant the gods themselves grow uneasy, got it. I have to say, I just finished the second volume and you win I'm reading everything on release. Jacques is really amusing and Elf-GF was great. Jericho's pov was really interesting too. Also increased the rating I had left before, hope the drama you went through with that shitter review didn't tax you too much

>>24563476
Thanks, bro, what you have done is a lifesaver. Just give me a week to recover.
Anyway, the next volume will be more school-focused, and I will finally introduce my fantast sport.
Hope you like these things.

>>24563518
Nice go Miravia Blue Devils!

>>24563536
>>24563536
>>24563536
new

>>24561028
Cute girls