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>>24554543

>Thread Question:
What's a topic you find underserved in scifi? What about in fantasy?

Finished House of Chains. Love a certain Chad's rejection of Glory and embracement of Mercy.

Is the Way of Kings (and the subsequent series) as good as I've seen people say?

I've read Warbreaker and the first two Mistborn books (based on coworker recommendations) and I only enjoyed the second half of Warbreaker and the first book of Mistborn, but didn't enjoy either that much. I find his character writing to be weak for the most part, beyond a few more interesting characters.

>>24566450
>based on coworker recommendations

>>24566253 (OP)
>pic
now I need a space western

>>24563409
Jesus Christ. There's no hard endpoint to The Scouring, right? Means this shit could go on for another 50+ novels.

>>24566375
WITNESS

when did you grow up and stop reading multi-book slop?

>>24566567
I can count on one hand the number of good multi-book slop. So I stopped along time ago. People really need to understand that standalones are by far the best. We need a renaissance.

>>24566578
standalones have definitely been coming back for a while with self-publishing. publishers love their trilogy deals and they became something for writers to aspire to.

>>24566564
listen, I don't really care. problem is what anon in the previous thread pointed out - it becomes a bitch to buy these books if you're not following in real time. especially because there are no reprints and even if they get some collections or such they're limited.

>>24566586
For some reason a lot more of the books are available in French and German.

>>24566584
Wait is this book any good? I read the first chapter and thought it was JRPG/anime slop written at a 7th grade level - does it actually get guud?

>>24566450
I'm the middle of listening to stormlight, on book 4.
I think it gets worse each book.

Slightly off-topic, but does anyone have any recommendations for pen-and-paper RPGs with excellent lore? Like the classic Vampire: The Masquerade rulebooks were absolutely kino if any oldfags remember. Not looking for any specific genre, just stuff that's well-written and gives you things to think and wonder about.

>>24566450
The Mistborn Saga is undoubtedly his best work. If it doesn't jive with you, I doubt you'll find the rest of his stuff tolerable. I'd say move on to something else.

>>24566450
I do find it interesting why casuals latched onto The Stormlight Archive out of all available fantasy out there. Is it just herd behavior?

>>24566656
Sanderson is like the Marvel of the fantasy world. His works are fine, pretty inoffensive, and not challenging.

>>24566567
I've only read big series. Spoonfeed me your top 3 standalone books.

Would you read a novel about a skeptic who is transported to a fantasy world, uses his skepticism to debunk the myths the magical civilizations of the world are built upon, and the dangers that brings him?

>>24566668
The Mask of the Sorcerer
The Broken Sword
The Throne of Bones

>>24566450
>Is the Way of Kings (and the subsequent series) as good as I've seen people say?
Which people? It's decidedly mid-low grade unchallenging modern fantasy designed more to waste your time than anything.

>>24566656
Pretty much this >>24566662
Clear, simple prose, no sexual content or questionable material, enough fights and "epic" moments to keep interest up, OK plot, passable characters. Other than the bloat (which many people don't seem to care that much about as long as a book passes the time), it seems lab designed to turn off as few people as possible.

>>24566253 (OP)
What type of the protagonists do you prefer?

>>24566584
I got memed pretty hard into reading this book thinking it will be good. Guess its my fault for not checking who the author was

>>24566450
I'd say Kaladin arc and Dalinar's arc colliding in the end of the book is one of my favorite catharsis moments in the fantasy. Individually they are also pretty good.
Shallan is just a miss in every book, dude just cant write teenager females and not make them annoying.
It also has pretty good classic fantasy vibe to it, probably because Sanderson was still in his "Fit into Robert Jordan's shoes" mindset after finishing WoT.
As the years have passed that mindset slowly faded away and each new book was losing that classic fantasy vibe, untill it got completely replaced by Reddit Young Adult style in the last couple books.
Sad.

>>24566793
It's funny because I dislike her in every book, except for character arc in 2 which is probably my favorite in the series. She just steps the fuck up, and despite continually getting in way over her head just doubles down with more lies, bluffs, and getting shit done. He absolutely destroyed her character in the other books.

>Classic fantasy writers: racists
>Classic sci-fi writers: perverts

What caused this?

>>24566627
It's a complete bait and switch, it presents itself initially as what you said but it's actually a melodrama about the kid's mother and the kid who is the focus in the first couple of chapters is barely present.
I give it points for the simple fact that a major part of the plot is the mother realizing her problems are in large part caused by her own actions and that she is largely responsible for her own misery, so there is that, but it's basically a soap opera.

>>24566450
way of the kings is neat but you quickly figure out the schema for his books so it becomes a bit boring. I still like the characters and apart from the gay shit it can be interesting but its like a comic in book form not something that demands your attention.

Did anyone watch the murderbot adaptation?
Was i supposed to hate every character in it?

>>24566656
It's an enormous, epic series that is going to take 20 years to finish. It's neat to be there at the beginning.

The same behavior happened with both ASOIAF and Wheel of Time. I think everyone under the age of 60 wishes they could have experienced LotR 'live', and these series let us very nearly experience that

>>24567070
it was the style at the time

>>24567099
No, you were supposed to feel how murderbot felt about them. That you hated them was a personal thing.

>>24566567
When I tried to read Iain Banks' The Culture series.

Why are W40K autists so obsessed over this?

>>24567308
tbf that's more of a bunch of self-contained novels in the same setting

>>24566450
i tried reading it couldn't stomach the femC but forced myself to continue then the power rangers arrived and i decided i wouldn't inflict that upon myself

I finished Daughter of the Empire. Like that one anon said: it's pure political drama. I found the book to be pretty nice. Yet, I'm still feeling unfulfilled. There was almost NO magic in this book. It barely counts as fantasy.
The character writing, while decent, doesn't do enough to compensate for this fact. There was some good moments, and the book is well structured. But it just doesn't have the weight to it, in order to justify how lacking it was of the fantastical.

Mara was an interesting enough character. And the story followed her for 95% of the text. But at random, the author would give us other points of view, in order to fill in some context. It felt a little cheap the way he would do that.
I don't know if it was done on purpose or not. But Mara's husband has no lines of dialogue, up to the point where he's suddenly abusive. Everything about the man was told in vague descriptions from Mara's PoV. and then suddenly, BAM, he's a raging abuser, and he talks now. That might have been deliberate for effect. But it still felt odd.

There wasn't much mystery about what was going on. Each chapter had a self contained problem and solution.
The politics weren't very smart. It was just a lot of petty people doing petty things, and then hiding behind a twisted system of honor in order to get away with it. Every chapter is like that.

Also, the author compared EVERYTHING to a Needra Bull. THIS is like a needra bull. THAT is like a needra bull. needra bull, needra bull, needra bull. Hang on. I'm going to search for instances of needra bull in the text: 81 mentions of "needra"! Jeez.

Honestly, I feel kind of like a fool. Because I read 3 books just to get to this one specifically. And I don't even like it that much. It was *ok*. But... I wanted more fantasy in my fantasy novel. Is that really too much to ask for?

I won't be continuing with Feist's works. He's not bad. he's just not for me.

>>24567432
Oh also, I thought everyone in the book was asian. However, there were times when characters would get described in a way that suggested they weren't? Like one woman had reddish gold hair. Mara notes that it was "probably* don't by artifice. Keyword there, "probably". She's not even sure if Asians have naturally red gold hair or not. Very bizarre.

Another character is randomly described as having blue eyes.

And then most bizarre of all, is one guy is described as having black hair multiple times. Like that's his distinguishing feature? The hair color that all Asians have?

I really wonder what the authors were visualizing when they thought of these characters.

>>24567219
They're not as bad as i initially thought. The first 2 episodes were pretty decent actually.

how do i get into books?

>>24567562
Pick something you think looks interesting and start from page 1

>>24567432
I read pretty much all of Feist growing up but at some point I learned his formula and gradually lost interest in his books as I matured. I fondly remembered the Empire trilogy as an offshoot/reboot but your review makes me less likely to nostalgia read it.

The big problem with the Feist universe is that there is immense powercreep ** the protagonists literally meet the gods after every mini-trilogy or so and learn that they are their play-things, and at some point they have to defeat a planet ffs **, so it becomes increasingly difficult and clumsy to manage expectations about what's at stake.

>>24567432
I read pretty much all of Feist growing up but at some point I learned his formula and gradually lost interest in his books as I matured. I fondly remembered the Empire trilogy as an offshoot/reboot but your review makes me less likely to nostalgia read it.

The big problem with the Feist universe is that there is immense powercreep the protagonists literally meet the gods after every mini-trilogy or so and learn that they are their play-things, and at some point they have to defeat a planet ffs , so it becomes increasingly difficult and clumsy to manage expectations about what's at stake.

>>24567562
try listening to an audiobook while reading the actual book to start with

do i need any pre-knowledge to read wh40k horus heresy books? i never played with the dolls

>>24567562
Start with The Hobbit.

>>24567070
Let's go on a quick little deep dive of a sci fi pervert /x/ conspiracy rabbit hole...
>Donald Barr was an American educator, writer, and Office of Strategic Services (OSS) officer. (early CIA before it was CIA). He was an administrator at Columbia University before serving as headmaster at the Dalton School in New York City. He also wrote two science fiction novels. His son is former United States Attorney General William Barr.
>While headmaster of this prestigious school in the early 70's Donald Barr hired a 20 year old college drop out with no work experience to be a math teacher. His name was Jeffery Epstein.
>Around that same time Donald Barr writes a novel (wiki here to read plot) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Relations
>very short summary: pulp sci fi- elites in space have sex slaves, rape them, etc. Very Jeff Epsteiny.
>Donald Barr's son William Barr (also CIA) was head overseer of Jeffery Epstein's second arrest and eventual "suicide."
So either all of this is just a coincidence or there is some elite cabal of pedos that intermingle and recruit and are interested in similar power/control. I think the latter is a little more likely. And of course Barr is Jewish too just like we all suspected.
Quickly doing my own research right now, I found that sci fi author Samuel R. Delany went to Dalton School as well. He too writes demented sexual shit. Specifically his book Hogg.
The researcher Darryl Cooper goes down more topics related if want to go travel other paths.

Buddy at work lent me this. Is the series any good?

>>24566586
My sentiments exactly, desu. I was out of the hobby for a couple years, I came back and it looked like there had been a couple neat new novels. Novels I will never have in paperback because I didn’t buy them within 6 months of them being first published. Really killed any interest I had in getting back in

>>24567676
used is always a last resort

>>24567648
does it have a title? or just an award?

>>24567705
Just an award.

>>24567676
>>24566586
>>24566564
libgen for kindle or to read on a computer screen, the physical books are not that nice either way, and love that slop though, i think even if there are bad writers it fits well the setting that kind of endless inconsistent sprawl

>>24567648
Oh, it's the Eternal Champion.

>>24567757
Is that good or bad?

>>24566253 (OP)
Update on the YouTube channel:
I've gone through the various playlists and deleted a ton of stuff because I initially was just going through and adding stuff as I added the channels to the main booktuber lists. There should be a high level of quality now in the playlists that have at least some curation.

The SFF videos have been split into several playlists for better organization. It's now:

SFF Authors: The personal channels of SFF authors. I need to find and add a lot more to this, assuming a lot more exists.
SFF Booktubers: Male SFF Booktubers
SFF Booktubers: Women and couples SFF Booktubers
SFF Interviews: Interviews of SFF authors , now limited to 1 per author, unless I missed some.
SFF Meta: Videos from channels that aren't SFF focused and meta videos from those that are
SFF Publishers & Organizations: The channels of those.

There are some SFF videos in the Vtubers playlist, which will remain there.
All other SFF related videos will remain in the playlist they're already in, such as bookshelves and writing.
A few other playlists have been created or reorganized.
The π playlist has voting enabled now for sorting. I don't know widespread the rollout is for it, so not many accounts may be able to use it yet.

https://youtube.com/@booktuber.playlists

40Kfags anything cool happen in this year's books? There was a Tau book and Ork book and I don't remember what else

>hollywood ruined Game of thrones
>hollywood ruined wheel of time
>hollywood shat on lord of the rings legacy
>hollywood ruined the witcher
How do they keep fucking up

>>24567764
Is good

>>24567785
I went through the the privated and deleted videos, referenced against the spreadsheet made by using the YouTube API. I saw that the orc book guy deleted his entire YouTube channel, which was a considerable number of videos. I guess the social media attacks were too much. Here's a post for reference.
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24519998#p24523951

There were more privated and deleted videos than I expected there to be in general.

>>24567785
Why do you have a playlist full of young girls?

>>24567827
You answered your own question.

>>24567827
Young is a relative term. Most are probably mid-20s, with some others in their 30s. It's a subset of the general Booktuber Women playlist, which has almost 2,000 women. If you look at the playlist viewcount it has much more than every other playlist combined. There's got to be something drawing people to look at the rest. That's just how it goes.

>>24567362
Because Baxter was involved in early 40k writing and its powerlevels and grimdarkness read almost like he was writing specifically to outdo 40k in both arenas

>>24567827
>>24567844
Anyway, do you see the upvote/downvote as seen here of the SFF booktubers in that playlist?

>>24567869
>Baxter was involved in early 40k writing
That's neat to know. Not him. Every time I go to /tg/, they only discuss Xeelee in a powerlevel context, which I suppose I should not complain and am not surprised.

>>24567876
Yes, sir.

>>24567891
https://vectormagazine.co.uk/article.asp?articleID=42
Here's an article he wrote about pre-Black Library warhammer books

What's a good "perfect/enhanced human" MC fantasy?
Basically I want some /fit/izen's fanfiction about some dude's intellectually swole adventures ala Tarzan/Conan/Doc Savage/The Wizard Knight.

Recommend me fantasy books written by Christians that are not Tolkien and Wolfe. Go!

>>24567800
>>hollywood ruined wheel of time
this makes me unreasonably mad. fuck amazon and fuck anyone who had anything to do with that travesty they called wheel of time

>>24567915
Tim Powers, R.A. Lafferty, G.K. Chesterton, John C. Wright, Walter M. Miller Jr.

>>24567915
Hse you heard of this one Mormon dude called Brandon Sanderson?

>>24567925
Yeah, I even created a thread yesterday asking if he was woke or not: >>24566402

>>24567921
This one's probably the worst because it will never ever get another chance at getting adapted ever. This was our only shot, and they blew it.

>>24567931
he's just dogshit

>>24567915
Chronicles of Narnia

>>24567960
I knew it was over after how terrible the first episode was, and how expensive the show was. I knew it was going to crash and burn because the people making it HATED the source material and thought they were better than Jordan, but all they created was barely coherent slop. It was never going to be a success and yet they spent so, so much money. If Amazon couldn't produce a good Wheel of Time adaptation with hundreds of millions of dollars then nobody was going even try afterward.

>>24567915
Empire of the east

I am no longer ELRIC WIGGER because I discovered I enjoy folklore and mythology better than SFFG

Besides the oficial books, what other novels have a Halo feel to it?

>>24568090
Wait till you read about Kullervo and the Kalevala.

>>24568092
Maybe ask yourself what books did Halo rip-off the concept of a Ringworld.

>>24568098
on my reading list

>>24568015
perhaps someone should try with people who actually like wheel of time.

>>24567915
Sun Eater, Ruocchio became a catholic after the first book

Pic related is by an orthodox deacon, I was recommended to read it but I haven't yet. His youtube channel has a pretty fun, religiously heavy conversation with Ruocchio. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHovg9cCBgo

>>24567915
medieval books about the holy grail?

>>24568176
the didot percival and other works by Robert De Boron

>>24568176
also Parzival

Batshit, hopelessly romantic, possibly evil woman who is in love with the protagonist is a god tier archetype.

>>24567070
>second paragraph is rape
>first chapter is repeated rape assisted with aphrodisiacs
>entire book is pretty much the rape baton being tossed back and forth
Not even teenage boys in the midst of puberty write shit this horny. What the hell?

>>24568331
we need to bring back fantasy covers like this

Plot and character are secondary to atmosphere.

>>24568498
no character drives the story. if the characters suck no one's reading it, and the ones who do will be miserable. atmosphere is much closer to plot in importance than people would think, however. Much more than lore even.

>>24568498
Speling und gramur sekondarie vibes r 2

>>24568517
>>24568523
It's what Lovecraft said.

>>24568547
overrated

Anyone ever read any of those Indiana Jones books?

I get that monster girls are by default fetish material but I'm having serious trouble finding anything with monster girls that isn't manga-esque harem plots and/or outright softcore porn.

A taste for it got instilled in me when I was young and now I want that kind of pure romance subplot about ignoring cultural boundaries that I used to see in adventure games all the time.

>>24568688
Name one adventure game that had that.

>>24568721
I can't name adventure games I played last week my man.
Maybe the idea mixed up from various media I consumed all the way to age 15

>>24568733
>>24568688
You were abused as a child. You get sexually aroused by monsters because there were actual monsters near you.

>>24568809
Shut the f*ck up.

>>24568733
>>24568817
>15
>censored swear
You must at least 18 to post.

>>24568809
STFU the fuck up.

>>24568817
>>24568840
https://youtu.be/KRB-iHGHSqk

>>24568845
I'm not the person you were arguing with.
Do NOT make me say it again.

yandere > tsundere > healthy

>>24568846
One of the worst possible responses. So boring and cliched.

>>24568852
That's it, bud. You better STFU the FUCK up with your senseless newfaggotry.

>>24568855
Responding to you is like giving pity (you)s to a drug addicted street urchin. "Please sir, can I have some more?" Oh, I know I shouldn't because I'm enabling you, but I can't help myself.

>>24568857
>self-righteousness
Doubling down on the newfaggotry, I see.

>>24568848
I'm kind of glad the yandere trend died out
"I'm SUPER CRAZY and IN LOVE WITH YOU (maybe)" got old fast

>>24564131
VNs are unironicalky great references for fighting/action scene prose.

>>24569208
*unironically even

>>24568331
>rape

Speaking on topic - is rape in general a deal breaker in a fantasy if the goal is to make the book appealing to the broad audience?
How higher are the chances that you will drop the book if it has the rape scene? If it has he mention of the rape?
Also - is the rape being the basis for the character development a real taboo? And I'm not talking about the "Heroine was raped and that changed her" situation, but about "Hero found out his dear person was raped or seen people being raped and that changed him" situation.

>>24568331
Is it good? Sounds hot.

>>24568331
Based fem-coomer author. Gonna check it out as soon as I'm finished with LOTR.

>>24569272
Personally I've never seen the big deal about it, and rarely understand why Redditors and Goodreads users clutch their pearls over it in the fiction they enjoy If you're fine with wanton murder and torture being used as a plot device, rape should be fine too. I guess I don't have the sensitivities of some people, even though I'm hardly someone who seeks out that content. I also find the people who want all rape removed from fiction to be complete children. That said, if you're going to write that subject into your novel, yeyah, you have to be prepared for frumpy women and woke Gen Z mullet-women chastising you in long screeds posted to any platform they can.

>>24569272
>How higher are the chances that you will drop the book if it has the rape scene? If it has he mention of the rape?
Simply because of rape being in the book? Zero. But I'm a mentally ill chud, so probably not representative of the "broad audience".

>>24569272
Like many things, rape is bad when used as a crutch or in excess, a vain attempt to show how "grimdark" your world is.
Martin more or less poisoned the well on its use, but it can still be done if you're not an edgelord teenager about it.

>>24566677
This.

>>24566595
>>24566564
Go discuss this on /wh/ on Dvach. This thread is for science fiction and fantasy, not derivative works of satire.

God-emperor of /sffg/

>>24569360
all fantasy after tolkien is satire

>>24569424
The Broken Sword is better than LOTR.

>>24569432
satire can be good

>>24569440
Warhammer is intentionally bad. It’s intended to be a satire of tropes and it doesn’t try to be good. It’s ironic and campy for a reason.

>>24569444
nobody who is trying to sell plastic dolls is "intentionally bad", that's not how a business works, think about it rationally

>>24569447
Maybe in the later editions they tried to streamline their slop to be appealing. But there were rules in the first edition to make everyone who plays Orkz to speak a cockney accent. It was humorous and bad on purpose.

>>24569451
>It was humorous and bad on purpose.
just like everything ever published for gen x and millennials from 1965 to 1996, there's goofier shit in Star Wars, Star Trek, Dragonlance, D&D, the Alien franchise, ..., i am not saying you are wrong in your description, i just see no reason to single out WH in this

>>24569458
I guess I’m just bored of 40k because I use /tg/ and there’s several generals up at the moment for WH40K alone.

Is Albus Dumbledore gay?

>>24569360
In what, Russian? If anything you should go to /tg/, where their generals are usually just lore related. There is for some bizarre reason a Star Wars general there that almost exclusively talks about tv shows.

>>24569499
I don’t want them to shit up /tg/ either

>>24566788
I like when a protagonist is realistically competent or greater. I give a lot of leeway to competence porn novels.
>>24567432
>Honestly, I feel kind of like a fool. Because I read 3 books just to get to this one specifically.
We did tell you it wasn't necessary to read the first trilogy.

>>24569272
I usually don't encounter this in the books I read, so when it does happen it tends to stand out. I'm on my endless quest to finish MoI now and noticed Erikson's schizo take(s) on rape.
>strong woman on the good side drags unsuspecting man in the bushes (repeat several times) = haha funny, he must have enjoyed it, it made him a man
>Tenescowri dead seed stuff = meant to be horrific
>Stonny = becomes Gruntle's reason to fight
To me 1 and 3 were absolute bullshit. Imagine if it was the opposite in the first case, since we're talking about a world where gender equality is a thing after all.
Number 3 was also stupid because it could have been replaced by at least two reasons that were already in the story (the dead child and Stonny being badly hurt, which was negated by her being both mentally and physically healed. What was the point, then? Unless there's some baby on the way, but still, whatever.
I'm not opposed to the use of rape, even as character motivation or development or characterisation, but writers should know how and when to use it. Too much or stupidly used and it becomes a parody of itself.

>>24569616
People don't care about female on male rape today, you expect them to care about slightly problematic female on male sexual dynamics 20 years ago?

>>24569484
"YES THEY FUCKING ARE" anon said calmly

>*find out about mists of avalon*
>oh looks neat, let me search for more info on this
>The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction calls the book "a convincing revision of the Arthurian cycle," and said that the victory of Christianity over the "sane but dying paganism" of Avalon "ensures eons of repression for women and the vital principles they espouse."
Yikes, into the trash it goes.

>>24569412
Based

>>24569412
>>24569952
liek OMG totally organic posts from two separate individuals :DD

>>24569272
The problem with rape is that it produces a sort of counter-intuitive reaction in people
When it's handled seriously and with the correct 'impact', it makes people uncomfortable and is hard to get through. When it's treated more superficially then it tends not to bother people, but then it becomes so cheap and uninteresting
The best use of rape in any SFF book is Thomas Covenant. It happens once, it's an incredibly big deal with far-reaching consequences, and both the character and the story itself - at least its themes - are made substantially better because of it. Yet people think of it as The Rape Series and dismiss it
If you're writing a normal SFF book there's really no win adding rape to it. There are some subgenres where it matters less (eg. romantasy, as many point out), but even then it's not worth it

>>24569444
>Warhammer is intentionally bad
this meme opinion began about a decade ago. it was stupid then and it's stupid now.

Warhammer is exaggerated, outrageous, campy, ridiculous, but it's (obviously) trying to be good and much of the joy and longevity of the series is how it takes things seriously.

>>24566375
everything involving Karsa is awesome imo
the rest feels bland af in comparison
am I missing something?

>>24570073
What's so good about Karsa?
I read the first 4 books and dropped it forever.

>>24566630
I would say Eclipse Phase or Ventangle but that's just me.
>>>/tg/

>>24570073
I enjoyed the Felsin parts as I was interested in her story with Tavore. The rest was so so but that’s the case with Malazan. There’s good but a lot of filler too

>>24570103
Without spoiling stuff, can you tell me what other plot lines are in book 4? Do they involve characters from the first 3 books?

>>24570110
Yeah. Plot lines of returning characters include Fiddler, lots of characters from Deadhouse Gates including some T’lan Imass as well as the fallout of memories of ice as it happens concurrently and then goes past it.

>>24566676
>fantasy world
>look inside
>its not fantastic
retard

>>24570138
All right, thanks! It doesn't sound too bad.

Anything good to read on kindle unlimited

>>24570238
yeah

>>24570249
What do you recommend

>>24570234
It’s basically deadhouse gates part 2 so if you enjoyed those characters they all return again

>>24569896
What exactly were you expecting from a feminist retelling of Arthurian legend by a bisexual incestuous pedophile?

>>24566676
No I rather hated Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court

>>24566676
I'm already reading that. It's called The Isekai Doctor.

>>24566676
That's basically the exact setup for The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant.

>>24566676
Thomas Covenant already said everything that's needed on this subject

>>24570316
She surprisingly supported the Vietnam war.

>>24566450
Just finished Oathbringer and I like them but they're a bit exhausting. Sometimes it feels like you're slogging through 100k words to get to a short payoff that you could've reasonably expected, then do it again. They can be fun, they can have cool moments, but I have little eagerness to dive into the fourth book.

>>24570316
remove the feminist part, and i honestly would give it a chance

>>24570475
Oathbringer is where I dropped it.
The characters stopped feeling like characters and more like mouthpieces for whatever mental health issue they were made to represent.

>Lyria and Cassius becoming friends
An unexpected but welcome development. I don't know how people feel about Lyria but I've liked her ever since she was introduced and has consistently been one of my favorite POVs.

>>24570559
all of the new POVs are better than Darrows

>>24570575
Not Lysander.
Lysander must die.

>>24570593
>not enjoying the chapters of lysander being raped against his will by his hag aunt like figure
ngmi

>>24570559
I didn't like Lyria in Iron Gold or when she was locked up in Dark Age but came around to her after thag.

where can i find the harlan ellison tales of earth sea audiobook narration

Did anyone else almost cry reading The Scholar's Tale in Hyperion where Sol's daughter was aging backwards?

>>24571117
almost. I thought Remembering Siri was the best/saddest with scholar's a second.
I always wondered if Siri the Apple device talking program was named after that story in Hyperion

>>24571117
Yes, though at the time I had a 18mo kid so it hit harder than usual

>>24571146
>I always wondered if Siri the Apple device talking program was named after that story in Hyperion
They're both pulling from the same source, an old word that means both victory and beautiful. You can see how it'd fit in Hyperion, not so much with the program

>>24571117
>zero-G underage secks
ToT
we cryin alright

>>24567925

Is Mormonism Christian?

>>24571273
no less than any other Protestant branch. Despite its goofiness it feels substantially more Christian than southern baptist or evangelical

>>24571290
Clearly you're either a Mormon apologist or misinformed, because there are major irreconcilable differences.

>>24570921
>Harlan Ellison tales of Earthsea
Wut

>>24571384
Reading comprehension fail.
I'll rephrase what anon wrote.
>where can i find tales of earth sea audiobook narrated by Harlan Ellison?

Does this count as sf/F?

First was kino. Second was solid. Then it went full Horus Heresy and starting shitting out multiple lines of 500+ page slop.

Anyone have recs for what's worth reading? I got through the third or fourth set of books, after it split, and moved to other things but the concept and world is interesting enough to return to.

>>24571376
Which is true of most branches of Christianity. This basic fact has shaped much of western history.
If you plucked someone from 300 and showed them Mormonism they'd call it strange and blasphemous. If you showed them Pentecostalism they wouldn't recognize it as Christian at all.

am I missing something with the Vorkosigan books? I read Shards of Honor which was fine but pretty hokey. Barrayar was definitely better. I'm on Warrior's Apprentice now which has Miles as a late teen and it's a bit of a struggle to get through. Something about Bujold's tone just keeps throwing me off - it's a bit too corny and whiz bang pow. I like guilty pleasures as much as the next guy but I don't know if I can keep going. Book 4 The Vor Game won a Hugo so I'm tempted to finish Warrior's Apprentice to get to Vor Game. anyway what do you love about these novels? I'm interested to see Miles develop and I have enjoyed the other characters so far but man it's feeling very YA

>>24571435
Mormonism isn't monotheistic and believes that all humans are literal spirit children who each can become gods. God the father was a physical mortal being who became exalted and thus a god. Jesus is the literal biological son of God the father. The Holy Ghost is a separate entity that only has a spirit body. There's a lot of other major differences, even with only theology considered. Then there's the cosmology that believes in other planets with people and the stuff about Kolob. So much stuff is different. They also have additional scriptures and holy texts. It really isn't Christian in any way other than branding.

Any anti-depression core sci-fi books? SF is dangerous because of how bleak some of it can be and Im not in the mind set for that right now.

You know, some people say Brandon Sanderson has the Marvel issue, in that there's an overabundance of quipping. But based on what I read, he has a different core issue. And tell me if this makes sense.

Marvel writers like to have everyone be quippy, even when it doesn't fit the characters or the scene.

Brandon has the issue where he tries to shoehorn in a bunch of outright quippy characters, and gives his characters a lot of down scenes where they can just talk.

Though I hear in his latest book he kinda does both.

>>24567445
The Tsurani are Asian inspired but are supposed to be somewhat alien as well. I honestly wasn't that big a fan of the Empire trilogy myself despite greatly enjoying the rest of the Riftwar Cycle. I'd urge you skip them and read Prince of the Blood which continues where Darkness at Sethanon left off.

>>24566253 (OP)
>read the mistborn trilogy
>every main character is head and shoulders better in every way (intelligence, abilities, morality) than everyone else in the universe
>almost no sense of setting, the characters POV chapters are written so contemporary they could easily be taking place in the 1990s
is all of sanderson's stuff like this, can i safely skip him if i find this style of writing boring? or is there something thats... better written.... i find it hard to believe the guy is the most popular fantasy writer if this is what it's like

>>24568092
Any stock military SF. Like the other anon said, it's better to read the books that inspired Halo.

Ringworld
Armor
Starship Troopers
Consider Phlebas
etc.

>>24571389
But why would that hack be the narrator?

>>24571546
Edmond Hamilton, Jack Williamson, Planet Stories...

>>24571727
Thanks

>>24571430
What even is the reading order with 1632?

>>24566253 (OP)
Ok here's the plot of my book: In 12,011 A.D., three ambassadorial vessels for the Church in Rome II, the Solari Covenant, the Ecclesium Sanctus, and the Ordo Nox Aeterna, and one Protestant sect, the Stellan Wayfarers, slowly realize they're in the midst of a brewing war between the Star-Sacrum Imperium (basically the resurrected Holy Roman Empire,) and Neo-Byzantium, two empires with claims to being the true successors of Rome. They each race to stop the oncoming war. Meanwhile, in the Star-Sacrum Imperium, the threat of Protestantism is growing..

Do things get better after this? I actually enjoyed Spine of the World BTW.

>>24571517
I remember I had the same issue with her style when I started reading it, but it eventually clicked and I started enjoying it as the space adventure action drama character driven soap opera that it is.
What I really came to like about the books was seeing the familiar characters change and grow over time. Especially in Memory, that was a high point in my opinion, but they're all pretty solid. The last one, Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen has a highly questionable plot point in it, and frankly I'm not buying that nonsense, but even with that bullshit it feels like a sort of nice warm epilogue to the whole series.

>>24571290
Ironically the only Christian denominations that occasionally recognise Mormons as Christian are those very same Protestant Americans, and purely for political reasons. In reality they're considered their own cult far from Christendom.

wait, why is this not recommended? I'm on the second book of the First Law plus I just finished The Devils and I think it's deligthful

what the fuck 4chan, do you even like fantasy?

>>24569738
female on male rape is not real

>>24572225
How is it not? The Devils is the one that disappointed a lot of people so you get some retroactive backlash, but fantasy fans generally recommend Abercrombie.

>>24572235
it's in the "best avoid" list in the mega folder in the OP.

I mean, The Devils might not be perfectly fantasy canonical but hell man it's good as fuck. Is it because it's more humorous than the general tone of other books from Abercrombie?

I'm not sure enrolling hundreds or thousands of brutalised fanatic cannibals you just fought against in your decimated mercenary army is a very good idea.

>>24572267
Is this the tenescowri from memories of ice? As always with Malazan, there is more going on than appears. Spoilers for the rest of the book, so don't read but I thought the twist that they are just a walking farm for the actual Panion army was grim. They are just literal cattle waiting to be covered in salt and eaten for the siege

>>24570103
That fucking Czech edition of Malazan, though.

>>24572338
nice, malazan always has good art

>>24572338
>beautiful covers
>we shelve books in such way only the spine is visible
what a cruel joke

>>24572357
Nothing stops us from displaying them like 600 years ago.

>>24572357
I know but thankfully my folio society collection have nice spines

>>24571885
This is the latest I could find... It's really spiraled out of control.

Flint isn't writing all/many of them at this point.

>>24572381
>Flint isn't writing all/many of them at this point.
He's been dead for several years so yes he is much less prolific these days

>>24566521
>>24566253 (OP)
Pic is from firefly/serenity

>>24572381
Wtf is this shit

>>24571786
because he was paid to do it?

>>24572225
The first law is mostly carried by its prose but the story is meh. The Heroes is his best work.

>>24572237
I don't know if you're trolling or inattentive. That file is literally called a meme and clearly not to be taken seriously. Maybe it was a mistake to take it out of its folder of ones not to be taken at face value.

>>24572225
I finished the first law trilogy last month and yeah its great, the character writing in it is just amazing

>>24572508
>call bad books a "meme"
>surprised when other newfags read them
blind newfags leading the blind lmao

>>24572511
At least you make your bad faith readily apparent and can be summarily disregarded.

>>24572521
That was my first interaction with you, newfag nigger.

>>24572032
thanks anon, yes I think I just need to enjoy it for what it is. I'm just so used to reading "big ideas philosophical heady sci-fi" like Egan, the Culture novels, etc.

>>24572526
Yes, I know. This is your final pity (you). Please work harder to be someone who doesn't require handouts. You'll feel better if you honestly earn your replies.

>>24572554
>samefag from yesterday doubling down on the self-righteous newfaggotry
What social media platform did you hear about 4chan from?

>>24572570
SomethingAwful
I applogize for my mistake that led you to an incorrect belief due to my inexact wording. I will endeavor to avoid such a failing in future posts.
You stated that this was my first interaction with you, which it wasn't in this thread, and it should have been obvious that I knew you weren't the same anon I had replied to.
I was the one who was inattentive to the difficulties you have with reading comprehension.
For your benefit, I will clarify.
In your response you use "others", a reference to people who aren't yourself, signifying you are a different anon.
What I should have responded with is: "At least you, a different anon than the one I replied to,..."
I should've done this to communicate my knowledge to you because you weren't able to infer it from the context.

>>24572225
its just backlash because the edgy morally grey character became oversaturated in the years after its release

>>24572470
Yes but I was hoping for a book rec

>>24572457
Lazy fag

>>24572225
Abercrombie is peak reddit garbage.

>>24572611
I hope you work through those narcissistic issues before you put your hands on somebody in real life, newfag-kun.

>>24572237
I DNF'd The Devils about 100 pages in. Just wasn't for me. I didn't like the humor at all, especially the millennial 'cussing is the punchline' jokes. I'll probably give First Law a try at a later time, because basically everyone I've heard that dislikes The Devils insist it's his weakest work and a poor representation of why he's a good author.

>>24572759
If you didn't like The Devils, you won't First Law.

>>24571719
His main cast in stormlight suffers the same issue, but the setting for the first 2/3 books is actually stellar and a big reason people like it even nonshills. The shattered plains are cool

>Darrow and Sevro reconciling in the middle of Light Bringer
Then it was ruined by going straight into a Lysander chapter. God I hate this hypocritical cocksucker so much.

>Darrow and Sevro reconciling in the middle of Light Bringer
Then it was ruined by going straight into a Lysander chapter. God I hate this hypocritical cocksucker so much.

>>24572225
Finished the First Law trilogy a couple weeks ago, there's nothing wrong with it besides the story being kind of lackluster. Characters are great, prose is generally well done, I really enjoyed the moments of humor. The worst thing about the book is Abercrombie is British.

>>24572937
Can you use a spoiler tag if you're just going to start with it like that

>>24572941
I personally wouldn't consider it to be a spoiler but I guess.

I don't even have to read any books after morningstar because reddit rising fags have spoiled basically every single plot point in the past three weeks.

>>24570997
>This general will die once the single "prolific poster" (spammer) gives up.

I am vindicated.

>>24572953
You shouldn't go to the red rising thread if you don't want to be spoiled but yeah they could have been a little more careful with spoiler tags here especially since so many people mentioned how they picked it up.

>>24566595
The 'Sammelbände', apart from the new ones, have been sold out for ages. Sammelband 2, for example, is on eBay for around 200€. Same in French and the other languages. You can only get them digital. Honestly, you need a Kindle or a phone to read them if you want to own and read every book in the series

>>24572978
Who was the spammer?

>>24572978
Anons said they were all talked out and ready to let the thread die
>>24572984
Just one of his delusions

>>24572982
I don't for that reason. They still come here and spoil the fucking books

>>24572987
Nice narrative. The 2nd thread was made regardless of you trying to stop them by saying that.

>>24571786
Ellison was a great narrator.

I have been a little too liberal with spoilers before but I really don't feel like that last post was a spoiler at all.

>>24572998
Let alone opposition to the 1st thread being made.
https://warosu.org/lit/thread/24534288#p24535890

Lads. Suppose I want the urban fantasy equivalent to a Guy Ritchie film. What have you got for me?

>>24572998
Except that conversation happened in the second thread too. People had things to talk about until they didn't. It's part of organic discussion.
>you trying to stop them
What are you even talking about man

>>24573030
I would say please get better taste but then I realize sadly that you have better taste then half the posters here

>>24573038
Show one post where that sentiment was expressed.

>>24573030
Mistborn season 2
Lies of Locke Lamora

Which are your favorite Ritchie movies?

>>24573045
>>24564092

>>24566564
I find it so funny that they mentioned introducing new characters in the book, as if we don’t already have over 100 forgotten or underdeveloped ones they could use instead. Then again, maybe they just want to make it easier to follow for readers who haven’t read the Siege of Terra books?

>>24573058
I'm glad you found your own post. This matter is closed.

>>24573058
>inb4 doesn't count
All RR posts on 4chan are the work of one tireless spammer, probably Pierce Brown himself, desperately trying to sell more copies since 6 million wasn't enough it never is

>>24573041
If it's about taste then I believe in the saying that "variety is the spice of life". Sometimes you want something highbrow, and sometimes less so.

>>24573048
>Which are your favorite Ritchie movies?
I watched the Gentlemen last weekend and that was pretty good (and the reason I'm asking.) Lock Stock & Two Smoking Barrels is a different vibe and it's been a while, but I remember liking it as well.

I've read LLL, btw. Mistborn I'm not gonna get into.

>>24573064
>>24573063
>tfw your inb4 was barely too late and also wrong, as is everything you post

>>24573064
Pierce Brown is too busy fucking his fans to post on this shit website

>>24573072
>wrong
It's actually exactly what you posted. It's all you say over and over.

>>24570475
I really hate how Sanderson normalized so-called "Sanderlanch", where you fill 80% of the book with the slop and leave all cool shit to the last 20%.
It worked at the start of the series because the first 2/3 of WoK and WoR were still a good and meaningful read on their own, but in OB and RoW they essentially became "2/3 of the irrelevant shit and 1/3 of when things are actually happening".
WaT was the peak clown fiesta, when you just knew that the first 8-9 days just didnt matter, and all shit will happen on the last day.
So fucking bad.

Started cutting myself for every man I killed like Cnaiur urd Skiotha. But it's only the bugs in my basement so Im just doing little ones.

>>24567562
Going to jail worked for me.
There wasn't much to choose from and I read some crime novels and stuff that were kinda entertaining, but then I finally read this book called Caribbean by James A Michener and loved it.
It's actually kinda like a fantasy novel where it includes a whole bunch of maps and spans ages, telling you all types of different stories and perspectives that all sort of connect in the end, and teach you about the history of the islands.
It did a really good job of taking my mind off of things and making me dream of somewhere that might even exist for me.
I should read it again because it was so long ago now, but it really made me think that maybe there's a better place for me, and was just overall a really good book.

>>24573081
When did you become unable to afford your meds?

>>24573094
what were you in for?

>>24573089
Maybe use a needle instead.

>>24573089
So this is the how the end begins for our resident bakkerposter. It'd be sad if it weren't so well deserved.

>>24573097
I was troubled when I was younger and didn't know anything about the court system, so a public defender got me a really crappy probation "deal" for possession of THC, possession of drug paraphernalia, resisting an officer, and obstructing an officer, when all I really did was had an empty weed pipe and was drunk cussing at cops and stuff. Then I got my probation revoked for failing piss tests and was sentenced to 9 months which turned out to 6 months with good behavior.
If you ever get in trouble you want a real lawyer.

>>24573134
America is truly a hellhole

>>24573152
I really should read more of his books because I've never even been outside of the US and he has a bunch of historical fiction books based on different places, and while the book was entertaining I did feel like I was broadening my horizons a little.
I'm not sure how you guys or /lit/ would like it. But it seemed way above average to me, and if you look him up it seems like he was pretty highly regarded and just kind of forgotten now.

>>24573287
>he was pretty highly regarded and just kind of forgotten now
That's what being a bestseller writer will do to you: money and fame but no posterity.

Light Bringer Spoilers
I immediately thought of this when Lysander met with Atlas and Valsung Fa. Maybe it was just because of the audio book made the change in voice sound so god damn silly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUsttPsqx1k

isn't lightbringer the one with the garbage ending

>>24573354
no that was iron gold

>>24573354
Not sure. I haven't gotten there yet but I sure hope not. The sequel series has been nothing but suffering for the protagonists so it wouldn't surprise me.

>>24573354
>isn't lightbringer [...] garbage
hehe

>>24573354
There have been no garbage endings

I'm not sure why the RR hater is happy the general died. We're just gonna come right back here for him to spaz out again.

>>24573358
apologies, I was thinking of lightbringer, the series

>>24573369
Were due some RR news in August anyway based on some posts Pierce Brown has made. Red Risingfags about to own this general once more

In Morningstar I did not care for Ragnar. His death didn't move me.

There are a bunch of Red Rising characters everyone loves that I'm just kinda lukewarm on. Sevro and Ragnar are the biggest ones.

Turns out RR discussion hasn't run its course.

>>24573399
I liked his introduction but afterwards he was just another guy.

>>24573493
He felt like a generic plot device character to me. I found Sefi more interesting, especially in the sequels

>>24570234
Karsa is definitely the main hook, Erikson intentionally wrote a very long part 1 where you stay with him the whole time as a response to critics who said he couldn't sustain a POV. That said, the beginnings of the Bonehunters is still really good and was even better on re-read

>>24573369
>mad we talk about it here
>mad we talk about it there
>happy /rrg/ dies and we come back here
He's just retarded.
>>24573398
What news could we get? We know Red God is coming next summer. TV show announcement?

>>24573515
>We know Red God is coming next summer.
Not officially.

Is it worth finishing riddle master of hed? It's kinda schizo written, but the first two were relatively enjoyable. Does it pay off?

>>24573369
>the RR hater is happy the general died
Isn't it obvious? he samefagged that we needed a /rrg/, then made the thread to get discussion out of /sffg/

>>24573515
>What news could we get?
Spin off I think

>For real though, what a blessing y’all have bestowed upon me. To get paid to write is a privilege in and of itself. To have a group whose love and support of my series impacts not just the passion I can put onto the page but the shape and health of the fanbase as a whole is as rare and special as a joke from a Raa.

>It’s a manic thought to look back at those early days when I was scribbling those first lines of Red Rising. If I had known how long the story would stretch, how deep and broad the Howler legion would grow, the only way I’d have been able to plunge on would be under a double dose of zoladone.

>Six books in twelve years feels like a lot, and yet not enough. As you know, I’m knife fighting demons in the office trenches to bring you Red God. It isn’t done yet because I don’t love it yet. When I love it, it will be done, and when it is done I will bathe in awesome waves of relief. But only when it is cradled in your noble paws will I feel a sense of absolution. My sins of delay washed clean. The contract between reader and writer will be met. The vision will be complete. The story will be set in stone. And yet…

>In the writing of Red God, and in anticipation of my own pending postpartum grief, I have come to the inevitable conclusion that I am not yet ready to stow my gravBoots, check my razor, and depart the Red Rising universe in full.

>I long to explore more of its arctic spires, asteroid crypts, and forlorn landscapes. I yearn to plunge headlong into the mists of its fraudulent myths, the venom of its ancient grudges, and the shadows of its dastardly coups. If I don’t dance on the graves of felled tyrants, cheer ringside to the clash of masters in the Bleeding Place, and hurl shining armadas and star-crossed lovers together off the shoulder of Titan, I simply will combust.

>That is why I would like to announce that I will be expanding the story of the Red Rising world with a fresh tale featuring a familiar face, told in a new format.

>For clarity, RED GOD will be the final novel in the seven volume series.

>But, if you’re like me and champing at the bit to explore more of the Red Rising world, stay tuned.

>We will be announcing the new adventure this August in true Shit Escalates format as a part of our annual game of Hazard Bedlam.

>Again and against, my thanks to you for coming on this journey with me. I love you like the Minotaur loves Darrow.

https://www.hazardbedlam.com/discord-1

>>24573610
I don't know who made the first thread, but I made the second one. Seemed comfy enough, and I preferred it to talking about it here and having that autist complain endlessly. But then he just started showing up in that thread shitting himself. Very sad desu

>>24573614
Fuck we're really not getting that fantasy series he was talking about

>>24571719
>the characters POV chapters are written so contemporary they could easily be taking place in the 1990s

I believe that this is the full intent of Sanderson. He says that he's "translating the stories of the Cosmere into English, so it all gets translated in a contemporary style of language"

>>24573636
He says a different format so it may not be books. Could be a graphic novel (better than the last I hope), animated show, video game or TTRPG. He may do this but write a new series

>>24573648
I sure hope so. Love the universe that's been built, but I'd love to see what else he can come up with.

>>24573614
>>24573656
I'm not sure that I want any more after Red God. I have sequel and spinoff fatigue from years of watching everything I love raped to death. But I'm a cynic. If it's a good story and told well and doesn't feel like it's just milking the brand because he's afraid to lose a guaranteed seller of a franchise I'll check it out.

It would have to be a prequel though so we could experience peak Society shenanigans though. Moon Lords' or obsidian rebellion maybe

>>24573515
>>24573624
That's why I stopped posting in the general and waited for our glorious return to /sffg/. I'll talk about Red Rising anywhere but I'm not going to cater to some idiot wannabe janny.
>>24573648
>video game
The upcoming Expanse game looks exactly like what I always wanted a Red Rising game to look like. I'm happy for Expanse fans but still a little salty.

>>24574173
>I'm not going to cater to some idiot wannabe janny.
That's right. Tell 'em, fellow 2016+ newfriend! Stick it to The Man!!

who can relate?

>>24566375
>The words of the past, that so clothed the Teblor in a hero's garb – this is what I served. While the true glory was before me. Beside me. You, Delum Thord. And you, Bairoth Gild.'

>From the stone statue of Bairoth emerged a distant, weary voice. 'Lead us, Warleader.'

>Karsa flinched. Do I dream this? Then he straightened. 'I have drawn your spirits to this place. Did you travel in the wake of the Seven?'

'>We have walked the empty lands,' Bairoth Gild replied. 'Empty, yet we were not alone. Strangers await us all, Karsa Orlong. This is the truth they would hide from you. We are summoned. We are here.'

>'None,' came Delum Thord's voice from the other statue, 'can defeat you on this journey. You lead the enemy in circles, you defy every prediction, and so deliver the edge of your will. We sought to follow, but could not.'

>'Who, Warleader,' Bairoth asked, his voice bolder, 'is our enemy, now?'

>Karsa drew himself up before the two Uryd warriors. 'Witness my answer, my friends. Witness.'

>Delum spoke, 'We failed you, Karsa Orlong. Yet you invite us to walk with you once again.'

>Karsa fought back an urge to scream, to unleash a warcry – as if such a challenge might force back the approaching darkness. He could make no sense of his own impulses, the torrential emotions threatening to engulf him. He stared at the carved likeness of his tall friend, the awareness in those unmarred features – Delum Thord before the Forkassal – the Forkrul Assail named Calm – had, on a mountain trail on a distant continent, so casually destroyed him.

>Bairoth Gild spoke. 'We failed you. Do you now ask that we walk with you?'

>'Delum Thord. Bairoth Gild.' Karsa's voice was hoarse. 'It is I who failed you. I would be your warleader once more, if you would so permit me.'

>A long moment of silence, then Bairoth replied, 'At last, something to look forward to.'

>Karsa almost fell to his knees, then. Grief, finally unleashed. At an end, his time of solitude. His penance was done. The journey to begin again. Dear Urugal, you shall witness. Oh, how you shall witness.

>>24572611
I don't respect you.

>>24574575
Understood and accepted.

an anon recommended "This Alien Shore" a month ago, I'm enjoying the read given that there are minimal "holy fucking cringe" moments of dialogue/narrative. The ideas are fun too, if a bit bland. Honestly I wouldn't recommend the book but I will finish it. Just read Neuromancer again instead of picking it up, imo. Pretty funny that the author constantly talks about how hot the MC is and how fat her tits are though.

>>24566584
Name some. I'll check out a standalone indie book.

I wrote a book. Would you guys like to read it?

The romance in a lot of fantasy books pisses me off. These are the most sexless characters I've ever seen. Where is the temptation? Where is the lust?

>>24574766
Have you never heard of romantasy?

>>24574820
or haremlit for that matter

>>24574766
>I watched his muscles grip the hilt of his sword as he shouted with reckless fury against the beast. His hair flowed like water and his movements even more.
>"God damn I love that man," I said with a smirk. I'm going to reward both his heads tonight.

Isn't that enough to show how much the girlboss loves the guy? It's better than male writers who write mostly about rape, pedophilia, incest, and a combination of all three

>>24574737
Sure. I can show you mine as well

>>24574766
Are you asking for straight up smut or just the idea of characters being lustful and the implications of their fucking? Wheel of Time has the latter. If it's smut you can't get more depraved than what women write.

>>24573064
Kek also, I feel like Red Rising has been astro turfed a lot on reddit, and that's saying something considering the absolute S O Y that is on that website.

>>24572780
I disagree. I haven't read the Devils but the other anon's critique of it doesn't really match up to the First Law iirc. TFL was a lot of LE SUBVERSION: THE BOOK but it wasn't as marvel-quippy as people say The Devils is.

>>24574837
It's been a while since I read the first law, I can't remember subversion being overused. Examples?

>>24574820
too lustful
>>24574829
Wheel of Time is a bit too prudish actually. There are ways to describe the act without it dipping into the obscene.

>>24574862
Not even trying to exaggerate but the whole series is predicated on subversion. However, if you want more explicit beats book 3 is where it really takes the cake. Spoiler alert to all you fags who care. I can't be arsed to try and make the spoiler tags work.

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Jezal's true lineage, Glokta's "victory", Logen throwing himself out of a window, West's aftermath after the nuke stone, Bayaz being the whole mastermind behind all the bullshit... But it was more the way that Abercrombie frames it within the story where the twist IS the thematic point. Again, I read it a while ago but this is something I distinctly remember. It got to the point where during the last third of the book I actually predicted what was gonna happen because I knew Joe would subvert it.
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I enjoyed it overall, though.

>>24574875
Then I dunno what you're looking for. Most male authors don't goon through the story explcitly, and if they do, they do it much more tastefully or "prudishly". I think I've seen from anons more than once here that Book of the New Sun has a protagonist that goes around banging chicks. Maybe check that out?

>Silverfox gets fatter with every appearance
HOW

>>24575033
Erikson was the first architect. Tattersail/Silverfox has always been described as thicc

>>24575033
fertility/motherhood themes going on with her

>>24575033
>>24575058
By book 6 he just starts having all sorts of fat chicks (this is book 9)

>>24567099
I've only watched 2 episodes so far but the book portrayed the scientists as silly hippies and Murderbot as a turbo autist, which the show did a good job of following. It's supposed to be a funny clash of cultures/personalities but yeah humor is subjective

are there similar stories like wh40k but written by one author in a cohesive way? basically ultra-competent men doing stuff with no women, with a civilization scope, or at least tackling serious problems if it's a smaller score. doesn't matter if scifi, or fantasy, or other genre. i guess there's Dune but nothing else comes to mind

>>24574832
No idea what came first but it's been really big on booktok for like a month. Some clip of the audiobook started trending a few weeks ago and a bunch of people jumped on it

>>24575264
Malazan, Sun Eater, Iain Banks' culture series and his stand alones like the Algebraist, Book of the New Sun and maybe even Red Rising if you want military conflicts over multiple planets. They feature women though so you won't get anything without women in it, seems like an odd requirement

>>24575264
It's kind of unrealistic to expect stories to not feature half of the human race. You wanting only manly men doing manly things sounds kind of gay.

>>24575264
>basically ultra-competent men doing stuff with no women

>>24575315
most history books don't say much about women and are interesting
>>24575296
>They feature women though so you won't get anything without women in it, seems like an odd requirement
well, they don't have to be excluded 100%, but you know what i mean

>>24575339
The difference is that history books are chronicles of events and places where the vast majority of women didn't have access to and even that depends on the profile of the books. Fiction, unless specifically written as a chronicle, will necessarily feature every day life, even when it comes to epic stories or whatever and women will be present, just as they have always been. Even in fiction from 200, 500, 900, 2000 years ago you will have quite a lot of women.
Anyway, I can't think about anything to recommend that's so specific, so you can ignore me.

>>24575079
Anon, the big gals have been there since book one.

Who are the best pulp sci-fi writers other than the famous ones like Howard, Lovecraft, and Smith?

I stopped reading Black Company at book 5 because the fucker just keeps resurrecting Taken. After the headless wonder showed up I couldn't be arsed to give a fuck about the plot anymore.

>>24575629
the shadowmasters were retarded in general, it got boring after they traveled to india

>>24569484
it's written from a child's perspective so everyone with grey hair is essentially asexual

>>24574959
>Jezal's true lineage
Built up literally since book 1 and was throwing in your face since his first chapter in book 2
>Glokta's "victory"
He was coming out on top for every single plotline during the entire trilogy
>Logen throwing himself out the window
Nigger are you serious
>West's aftermath after the nuke stone
The often repeated message for the entire trilogy was that people don't get what they deserve
>Bayaz being a mastermind
He's a fucking wizard I don't know what you expect
Honestly you're a retard and should stick to red rising

>>24574959
Learn how to spoiler properly, you stupid faggot.

>>24575326
This book? By a woman? I don't believe it.

>>24575842
>he doesn't know

>>24575845
I don't, in fact.

>>24575848
It's a gay love story between Achilles and Patroclus

>>24575079
Just realized Felash is similar to kruppe in this scene. Cant find any fan theories on the gluttony combined with access to elder warrens...

>>24575885
Hard pass.

Terry Pratchett
Terry Brooks
Terry Goodkind

>>24576043
Why do you hate history chud?

>>24575629
Have you read Silver Spike? These fuckers are EXTREMELY hard to kill. You only see them drop because they're fighting other Taken or the Circle equivalent in numbers.

I'm on shadows linger

>>24576122
And after they get killed, it turns out they are not killed. Which is why I have no interest in remaining engaged with the stakes the novel puts forward. Even Croaker can survive being impaled through the chest and floated around for dozens of miles

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>>24575743
it's extremely odd to me that Bayaz being the evil mastermind behind everything is considered a twist. He's the most obviously evil character in the entire series but people talk about him like he was supposed to be Gandalf.

>>24575530
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