>women? mostly trash
>men? mostly cucks
>sex? anyone that has it is trash
>*kills himself*
it's brilliant
The basedest philosopher. He was literally me.
>>24567875 (OP)Never related to a jew before.
some people are too based for their own good.
>>24567875 (OP)He's right. He just had to learn living with it.
>>24568685Considering he lived in a time without anime or video games, he lasted quite a while.
>>24568694>anime or videogamesunironically only for plebs and low iq
>>24567875 (OP)The straight way to approach this:
>women are retards, but I love them despite this - they are beautiful retards>>b-but women hate men and say all men are trash!!!>who gives a fuck what they think? they're retardsshit like Whiningberger will psyop you into being you mentally cucked and gay
>>24568868>>24568878okay i might read him now
>>24568694ye, im legit convinced the only thing holding some people from suicide is the endlless amount of entertainment they can find nowadays on the net
>>24567875 (OP)Guy's Calvinist at the bottom of it
https://youtu.be/sTd2Dvnck1Q?si=IUKaPDaINAMRlUjf&t=1370
https://youtu.be/AKMumEmRjws?si=jxHlXe81ai_b4evU&t=1153
>>24570397the irony is that in rejecting his own jewishness, he exposes his own jewish neuroses.
>>24567875 (OP)I agree with the former. (2 statements)
>>24567875 (OP)He burned out and wrote his work too young
If he had access to Cosima Wagner's diaries he could never have written sex and character
He misread Parsifal because he chose Kant over Schopenhauer. Schopenhauer is right, sympathy is the foundation of ethics (and women can be very good at this)
If I had published a book at his age it would have been full of so many unworked out ideas
On last things is full of brilliant insight, as is sex and character
Great, strange soul, Weininger
>>24568856Women are not retards
You're a faggot, and Weininger is 1000x more profound than you are
>>24568868>>24568881He gets the anti-semitism from Wagner obviously (who he considered as the greatest human artist). I mean as a deep aesthetic/philosophical doctrine
>Yet another Jew have we to name, who appeared among us as a writer. From out his isolation as a Jew, he came among us seeking for redemption: he found it not, and had to learn that only with our redemption, too, into genuine Manhood, would he ever find it. To become Man at once with us, however, means firstly for the Jew as much as ceasing to be Jew. And this had BÖRNE done. Yet Börne, of all others, teaches us that this redemption can not be reached in ease and cold, indifferent complacence, but costs—as cost it must for us—sweat, anguish, want, and all the dregs of suffering and sorrow. Without once looking back, take ye your part in this regenerative work of deliverance through self-annulment (37); then are we one and un-dissevered! But bethink ye, that one only thing can redeem you from the burden of your curse: the redemption of Ahasuerus—Going under!There are actually late quotes of Wagner saying that he believed women were morally superior to men, at least on average.
>>24568878>Hitler recalled a remark his mentor Dietrich Eckart made about Weininger: "I only knew one decent Jew and he committed suicide on the day when he realized that the Jew lives upon the decay of peoples...."This sounds like a fake quote. Anyway its wrong on several levels. This isn't why he killed himself, and his work doesn't have to do with politics (he actually says he opposes political oppression of the Jewish people -- of course this is before Zionism, which he did not predict). His anti-semitism was part of an individualist doctrine where the highest goal was to achieve freedom and autonomy. You can see how the Jews are subsumed in their race.
His morality was basically one of genius, Christ being the greatest genius and all geniuses being types of Christ, and obviously genius is a masculine accomplishment. Insofar as there are female geniuses they are very masculine in appearance/psychology as well as being minor.
>>24568856legitimately one of the worst posts I have ever read
>>24572442can you elaborate on his morals? what stuck with you the most
>>24572460He says genius is universal responsibility
>Every real, eternal problem, however, is an equally real, eternal guilt; every answer is an atonement, every understanding a recovery>The Jew does not burden himself with any guilt (nor thus with any problem); that is why he is unproductive. His guilt is that he has never posited time, has not willed the final goal and the process of the world, has willed neither good nor evil. He thus opposes the will of God, who wills evil as well as good.His art criticism is very good because he realizes the greatest works have the greatest depth. His work is actually highly related to Nietzsche because he thinks egoism is moral. Freedom is the great value, and freedom is productivity (always doing good)
>Fear is the reverse of all will. Forward something, backwards nothing. That is why, when you are walking along a path, it is uncomfortable to turn around suddenly and catch sight of the route you have covered (unidirectionality of time).>Thus I still believe that fear is closely related to immortality; the more the feeling for chaos grows, the more one wants to be cosmos. The nothing is the border of the something, and if a person becomes everything, becomes God, then he has no borders, and no more fear. But probably just before that, he has the last, greatest fear to conquer....>Courage is the self-confidence of the higher life. Whoever is fully courageous, like Siegfried, is pure and guiltless. That is why courage is associated with the heart; it corresponds to the power of the heartbeat, just as breath corresponds to “connectedness” (Rappaport), and the quantity of courage that a man has is the surest indicator of his greatness, purity and genius.>Fear, however, is mistrust of life, because it still has edges and one can fall into an abyss. Belief in oneself creates courage and hope (that is the ego on the way to being realized).>The belief that posits eternal life by affirming it in will and thought is the opposite of the feeling of lifelessness; it is the conqueror of fear.>The more superstition a belief contains, however, the more fear there is in it. There is, to be sure, no special, individual belief that is completely free of superstition. In contrast to belief, however, superstition destroys the autonomous personality; it sacrifices it to every accidental, spatio-temporal coincidence of two independent series of events, i.e., sacrifices it to chance. In superstition, a person connects himself functionally to others, negates his own freedom for all time to come, and declares his will and duty to be bound by fate.
But he really believed the message of Parsifal was that women had to be liberated and become men (hilariously anticipating 21st century feminism becoming transsexualism)
He said that's why Kundry died before Paradise.
But that's just consistent with Schopenhauer's doctrine of character being fixed within one's life (meaning this life in space and time) (which is totally correct) and Wagner's belief animating all of his work that one had to will one's demise
Anyway Weininger just didn't think things through because he went too fast.
I've had strange ideas myself so I can sympathize with him
I don't know of anybody's work which is such a combination of incredible insight and incredible confusion
>>24568694Based, if he had witnessed the glory of anime titties, mans crowning achievement, he would have reconsidered suicide.
>>24572412>>24572459unhinged incel rage. his take is obviously the right way of navigating the women issue; dismissing it entirely. each time i talk to a women im reminded by how simplistic and silly they are, it puts my mind at ease and the anxiety turns into a delightful understanding that im talking to the mental equivalent of a child.
>>24572514thanks for the post, I felt the nietzsche similarty reading these also.
>>24572602Women are far more practical and shrewd than men. To call someone an incel with "incel rage" for disagreeing with this
>>24568856 bro-y and contemptible sensibility, is absurd. If you don't see the problem with it you are likely a mediocre and quite honestly disgusting individual. You are a retard, and women and children are superior you.
>>24572622>Women are far more practical and shrewd than men.Most women refuse to take accountability for their poor choices, and will outright refuse to do so if left to their own devices. For whatever childish reason, they are always of the belief that they simply do not have to. One cannot be truly Discerning if they lack basic accountability. That is glorified conceit.
>bro-y Cope, Madam.
>>24572407If you agree with Schopenhauer and believe morality arises from compassion and empathy, not reason, you're a troon.
>>24572648Reason for what? Weininger is a good example of taking the anti-Schopenhauer position to its logical conclusion. Stay on this path and you will have to kill yourself
>>24572643Huh, not the women I know. are your opponents incels or women?
>>24572655>Huh, not the women I know.Well you certainly know some great women. But you'd note (if you're honest) that they are outliers.
>>24572407>If he had access to Cosima Wagner's diaries he could never have written sex and characterstatements like this pique my curiosity but are never explained.
>>24572648Why not both? All things are created by the paradoxical union of opposites. Morality is created so it is also male and female. It is at once compassionate and reasonable
>>24572689Weininger combines a kind of proto-"red pill" scientific breakdown of women with also a keen understanding that woman-worship is basically the foundation of culture, or at least very essential to much of it, and this is maybe especially the case in Wagner's work.
Kundry is a hysterical woman and Weininger takes this as the ultimate woman, believing for some reason that Wagner has repudiated all of his other works (it is true that in Parsifal there is only one woman and she is a "whore") and finally, in pity for woman, overcome Woman, allowing her to overcome herself.
He says that this makes him superior to Goethe, who was still stuck in woman-worship
>Das Ewig-Weibliche
> Zieht uns hinan.
But if you read these diaries and the things he said you would see that he hadn't repudiated his old views at all (and if he had then he would have to be a huge, constant liar, which as Weininger says inisincompatible with a great man, and Weininger says Wagner is the greatest man since Christ's time). The other interpretation could be that Wagner has overcome women without even realizing it, but from the diaries we know he remained highly erotic until the end of his life, so what does this even mean?
It's just a strange misunderstanding, and Weininger died having already repudiated with mother-prostitute distinction and declaring himself a murderer (can't find the quote for that, if anyone has it)
And also Parsifal was conceived decades before at the same at Tristan and in fact he discusses it with Mathilde Wesendonck. It's kind of like with Nietzsche trying to make us believe that Wagner all-of-a-sudden discovered Christianity in old age, a free spirit finally submitting to the cross
>>24572778I lack the knowledge of the work in question so I'm trying to connect to dots. weininger thought wagner portrayed the ideal woman (some deranged whore) and consequentially thought wagner was above it all and that's how he conceived of his story but that wasn't the case at all and wagner was just another pussy slave. and you're saying unrelated to this incident, weininger admitted he shouldn't have been too harsh on women and that some of them are wholesome chungus. if it's true I will lose a good portion of my respect for weininger. I mean what's the point of writing this magnum opus to turn on it to call "I shouldn't have generalizing so muchh..." like wtf dude.
>>24572806Okay lol I'm not responding to that
>>24572814you could at least say whether I got it right. I am not good with doing biographical or contextual research like this.
>>24571866Killing yourself isn’t necessarily neurosis. Would you call Socrates or Cato neurotic?
>>24572778There are passages where Weininger sounds like a proto-transhumanist with the implicit notion of abandoning the dualism of sex/gender entirely in order to enter an age of sexlessness.
>>24574022That’s just how a genius for priestliness manifests itself without proper praxis. If he were born in an earlier age he could have become a saint, in a later age a Buddhist monk or something. But in decadent Europe his options were either suicide or the gradual self-castration of social life.
>>24572643>Most women refuse to take accountabilityWhat does that mean exactly? No seriously, what do red pill chads mean by that? Are women not judged for their crimes?
>>24574362You can't punch them in the face as you would a man or some shit.
>>24574362Women should keep men in check but they don't and men's nigger behavior is the fault of women.
>>24574362>What does that mean exactly?Women have a real problem with telling themselves 'no' and self-governing infatuation. They are helplessly led along by their infatuations, which sees them always going after the top men who know they are the object of that infatuation (and they also know that women have a real problem with telling themselves no) so they play games with women and use them, only to toss them aside after. Then comes the time when women should be learning some lessons and adjusting their behavior, but they keep at it due to fomo. When they find a new infatuation, their minds tell them: if I give him up, then some other girl with get to have all the fun, and why should *that* bitch get to win? And then they're right back at it. Same cycle.
When guys choose wrong they typically admit fault after and accept that they fucked up on noticing certain red flags and should've known better. When women choose wrong, and get played continually, they don't admit that they were choosing wrong, they default right to "all men are trash". No accountability.
>>24574531This has more to do with the need for polygamy in society and the erosion of all customs regarding intersex relations. You’re better off just blaming the Jews than conducting impossible calculations regarding “which sex is most to blame”.
>>24572412you have to treat women like children. They prefer it.
>>24572622>Women are far more practical and shrewd than men.They are laser focused on exploiting others to get what they want. In that aspect they are shrewd & 'get the game'.
But left to their own devices, when they cant find a person to latch onto, they fall off a cliff.
>>24574362>Are women not judged for their crimes?are you serious? no they fucking arent lol its not even close. Women get away with shit all the time
>>24575289That is a cruelty to all parties involved and basically everything wrong with the world.
You shouldn't even treat children like children, let alone women.
But the modern is a Machiavellian, so he won't understand this.
>>24575295Spin the whole thing in a circle & somehow its my fault what you do.
>>24575265>You’re better off just blaming the JewsYou have some sort of headcanon idea as to what kind of anon you're talking to here, and I don't fit the billing.
>impossible calculations regarding “which sex is most to blame”.That you push back on a stance as benign as "both men and women should take equal accountability for the outcome of their poor choices" is rather telling.
>>24575295don't take that statement too seriously. when people insistently repeat expressions like that it's not because they really think it or it's truthful, it's coming out from their pathology.
just more worthless german garbage and poison from the most overrated culture in the world
>>24575291Truly the jew of the sexes
>>24575313>You have some sort of headcanon idea as to what kind of anon you're talking to here, and I don't fit the billing.Lol am I dealing with a Judeophilic redditor misogyist? But honestly I wasn't trying to direct that statement at you, it's just a general point
>That you push back on a stance as benign as "both men and women should take equal accountability for the outcome of their poor choices" is rather telling.You're thinking in generalities that don't exist. What matters is the decisions and choices of individual men and women, and since they are individuals they are inaccessible to this scientific treatment. Insofar as women take less accountability as men than this is just a biological tendency or factor that it is futile to rage against. There's obviously a specialization of masculine and feminine functions and if women are less inclined to the self-critical, rational, fastidious virtue of men (though on the other hand men are more likely to be slobs) then they make up for it in their natural sympathy and self-sacrificing love. This is like complaining that there aren't very many women scientists. Men and women are different, and you sound pathetic raging against nature. I would certainly agree that feminism is a terrible influence, and that women (as well as men) are in a very bad state right now, but you could just as easily blame this on the millions of male enablers.
But that's the brilliance of Weininger because in the spirit of his misogyny he takes nature itself as needing reconstitution and say that all women need to become FtM transexuals as in
>>24574022Are you anon willing to promote this anon? Otherwise, get a life
>>24575415>if women are less inclined to the self-critical, rational, fastidious virtue of men (though on the other hand men are more likely to be slobs) then they make up for it in their natural sympathy and self-sacrificing love. Sorry, but if women are to be given equal political power, then that necessitates an equal capacity for self-critical discernment. I think women haven't relied on their rational faculty because men largely chose for them in the past, so in many ways this is understandably new to them. But it's a new day, and they must develop their rational faculty and capacity for accountability to match that of men. You can't opine around that with appeals to "self-sacrifice".
Fool that I am, I am approaching egalitarian equality sincerely. Perhaps I should know better.
>>24575431The idea of equality is an illusion of British philosophers so I honestly have no idea where you're coming from, you just seem bitter which isn't good for your health
I'm reminded of Jung's insight that men's perception of women is always distorted by their anima (and vice versa for women)
>>24575452>The idea of equality is an illusion of British philosophers so I honestly have no idea where you're coming from, you just seem bitter which isn't good for your healthI'm bitter for actually advocating for equality unironically? Wtf are you even talking about?
>men's perception of women is always distorted by their animaMy perception is distorted for taking women at their word in their want for equality?
>>24575464Do you have Aspergers by any chance? I don't mean this as an insult I'm just wondering.
> I'm bitter for actually advocating for equality unironically?Your words are clearly motivated by bitterness/resentment. Maybe you feel that the world has lied to you? Obviously it has
>My perception is distorted for taking women at their word in their want for equality?Do women want equality? If they are just parroting political slogans, this can't be very meaningful
>There are no such things as egoistic or altruistic actions: both concepts are psychological nonsense. Or the proposition that "man pursues happiness"; or the proposition that "happiness is the reward of virtue." ... Or the proposition that "pleasure and pain are opposites." ... Morality, the Circe of mankind, has falsified everything psychological, root and branch—it has demoralised everything, even to the terribly nonsensical point of calling love "unselfish." A man must first be firmly poised, he must stand securely on his two legs, otherwise he cannot love at all.[Pg 65] This indeed the girls know only too well: they don't care two pins about unselfish and merely objective men.... May I venture to suggest, incidentally, that I know women? This knowledge is part of my Dionysian patrimony. Who knows? maybe I am the first psychologist of the eternally feminine. Women all like me.... But that's an old story: save, of course, the abortions among them, the emancipated ones, those who lack the where-withal to have children. Thank goodness I am not willing to let myself be torn to pieces! the perfect woman tears you to pieces when she loves you: I know these amiable Mænads.... Oh! what a dangerous, creeping, subterranean little beast of prey she is! And so agreeable withal! ... A little woman, pursuing her vengeance, would force open even the iron gates of Fate itself. Woman is incalculably more wicked than man, she is also cleverer. Goodness in a woman is already a sign of degeneration. All cases of "beautiful souls" in women may be traced to a faulty physiological condition—but I go no further, lest I should become medicynical. The struggle for equal rights is even a symptom of disease; every doctor knows this. The more womanly a woman is, the more she fights tooth and nail against rights in general: the natural order of things, the eternal war between the sexes, assigns to her by far the foremost rank. Have people had ears to hear my definition of love? It is the only definition worthy of a philosopher. Love, in its means, is war; in its foundation, it is the mortal hatred of the sexes. Have you heard my reply to the question how a woman can be cured, "saved"[Pg 66] in fact?—Give her a child! A woman needs children, man is always only a means, thus spake Zarathustra. "The emancipation of women,"—this is the instinctive hatred of physiologically botched—that is to say, barren—women for those of their sisters who are well constituted: the fight against "man" is always only a means, a pretext, a piece of strategy. By trying to rise to "Woman per se," to "Higher Woman," to the "Ideal Woman," all they wish to do is to lower the general level of women's rank: and there are no more certain means to this end than university education, trousers, and the rights of voting cattle. Truth to tell, the emancipated are the anarchists in the "eternally feminine" world, the physiological mishaps, the most deep-rooted instinct of whom is revenge.
>>24568696Being a furry is a sign of autism
>>24575468I think you enjoy playing games with framing and disingenuously editorializing the sentiments of the anon that you're talking to just to see how much you can get away with.
You're just doing this as a game. Bit of idle amusement. You're not even in this conversation right now.
>>24575483I have no idea what you're talking about, or what you are trying to accomplish with this moralizing, obviously 4chan is a kind of game, but anon is under the domain of ideas, which I am trying to dispel, that are doing him real harm. My motivations are sincere. Unfortunately it seems that people will only learn the truth the hard way
>>24575469I really don't buy any of this femme fatale bullshit. you read about the destructiveness of femininity and think of succubus when in actuality it's child support.
>>24575492>I have no idea what you're talking aboutI could say the same of you. I haven't said anything hateful about women here, I'm only talking about a point related to accountability and you're giving me a bunch of glib nonsense, insisting that I am bitter etc. like I've gone on some unhinged r9k rant. You're gaslighting for what purpose? I genuinely don't know.
>>24575493That's a Hollywood which I don't think has to do with what he's talking about. He's approaching insanity so obviously what he's say is lacking in measure
>>24575502Yes, someone who took the time produce this mass of text is clearly not under the sway of any resentments, not at all
>Women have a real problem with telling themselves 'no' and self-governing infatuation. They are helplessly led along by their infatuations, which sees them always going after the top men who know they are the object of that infatuation (and they also know that women have a real problem with telling themselves no) so they play games with women and use them, only to toss them aside after. Then comes the time when women should be learning some lessons and adjusting their behavior, but they keep at it due to fomo. When they find a new infatuation, their minds tell them: if I give him up, then some other girl with get to have all the fun, and why should *that* bitch get to win? And then they're right back at it. Same cycle.>When guys choose wrong they typically admit fault after and accept that they fucked up on noticing certain red flags and should've known better. When women choose wrong, and get played continually, they don't admit that they were choosing wrong, they default right to "all men are trash".You live in a reality distortion field
>>24575515>women haven't relied on their rational faculty because men largely chose for them in the past, so in many ways this is understandably new to them. But it's a new dayYou missed the part where I also make fair concessions for difficulties that they've had in the past.
Anon like you will go 20 posts nitpicking everything that the other anon says without ever stating your position in clear terms so they can properly respond. You're playing a game. And I suppose ironically quipping
>My motivations are sincere. is just another part of the fun.
>>24575532My point, which you seem unable to grasp
is that these kind of generalized discussions about "Woman" and what "Woman" must do and how "Woman" has failed are just ineffably retarded. You might as well complain and implore against the Ocean
> the other anonYou are that anon, lol
>>24575554>My point, which you seem unable to graspI thought you had more to say in reserve about it than this bit of secular cynicism. I suppose not.
>>24575562You’re the one playing games here
>>24575582No. I disagree with this notion that it's "ineffably retarded" to hold female rational capacity to equal account, as though the notion is absurd. They are growing and changing, and fast.
When the spiritual energies of the planet change, so too do the baseline spiritual and rational capacities of men and women in general. I think it's a cycle. It ebbs and flows. That's my belief. I don't subscribe to this glib cynical shit.
>>24575591The other anon is a faggot or a foid, do not continue this non-sense. This said, you are retarded for seeking equality
>>24568856Isn't it funny that an anti blackpill meme features an attractive, rich actor?
>>24575701>>24575719You were born ugly because of your karma in the last existence. Take accountability and you will be better off after this existence
The handsome actor is not unlikely to be similarly cursed, like most who are born of women, though you will not see that
>>24575757>Take accountabilityAs opposed to women? I do, I'm a man, after all but your assumption is wrong, regardless
>>24572622>using bro-y as an insultsis got their panties in a bunch. the blackpill is still gay cuck shit.
