>these are the people who read Carl Schmitt
You are what you read I guess..

>>24568917 (OP)
absolutely deranged post. are you having a nervous breakdown or something?

>>24568917 (OP)
I agree.

>>24568917 (OP)
This show is made by leftists to generate clips to cast aspersions at anything outside of the neoliberal status quo.

These dysgenic inarticulate freaks will jump on the chance to get some notoriety/niche e-celeb fame, but all they are doing is poorly parroting Nick Fuentes/BAP/Keith Woods.

Fringe edgelord terminally online politics almost always come across as inauthentic because it is impossible to live facistically or whatever in current year without larping.

This little Arab dude would not have agreed to appear on this show without first knowing that he would come off looking like the "good guy/goy"

>>24568917 (OP)
I dislike public-facing personas who allow themselves to be fat
>>24569559
It's funny because progressives are all complaining that jubilee platforms right wing content. When you produce centrist slop both sides are going to be unhappy I guess.

>>24568917 (OP)

I only read things beneficial for a true liberal education. I learnt about politics in theory from Aristotle, I learnt about it in practice from the many historians like Sallust and Thucydides. I bettered myself in the education of morals and the soul through Plato. I learnt from examples from Plutarch and Valerius Maximus. Where do these people learn these things from? Grifters and barely literate celebrities, spewing venom when they can. See the 'debate' and it becomes clear not a single participant has any real liberal education or any idea of rhetoric or morals. Acting more like animals than men

>>24569596
Fart sniffing post, and you're gay.

>>24569596
And worse, they all consider themselves educated and enlightened!

>>24569599
Anti-intellectualism gtfo

>>24568917 (OP)
This is actually the right way though. You just say you are whatever they concerntroll about, unless it's a crime. The point is to state your position, then hold frame.

>>24568917 (OP)
he just came off like a sloppy oaf and somebody who doesn't think, just vibes. makes him hard to sympathize with desu.

>>24569605
if he was handsome and had high trust physiognomy then it would be charming but he looks like his face is melting into the wicked witch of the west

>>24569660
That's true. But beggars can't be choosers.
It's less about charm and more about holding frame. "So you're a fascist" is designed to make you say "omg you're right I change all my opinions rn for you"
So instead just say sure. >>24569660

>>24569559
I guess that Jewish lawyer gonna come in handy for libel.

>>24569604
Nah Pol Pot had a point.

>>24569645
All politics is vibes at the end of the day

Why are they all shaking, in voice and in posture?

>>24569805
because they are facing an actual intelligent Oxford debater who knows their shit

>>24568917 (OP)

I like that he didn't know Franco killed women and children, simple child mind to be like, only adult men guilty of thought crimes.

>>24569805
They're green zoomer spergs with no real debate experience apart from twitter flame wars, versus someone who's (not necessarily correct, but) actually educated and has been a public speaker for most of his life--i can remember this dude from al jazeera like 20 years ago.

>>24569805
nerves

>mfw my radical views are being mainstreamed, even if "oppositionally" at first, "to mock them," "just to show them getting BTFO by Mehdi Hasan!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC3eOhzF83U

>>24568917 (OP)
I'm trans and I find this so funny.

>>24568917 (OP)
A little aggressive on the fascism good pedal. Maybe cool it with screaming how okay you are with being a literal monster to pull your ideology forward. Booger Nick is not sending his best that's for sure.

>>24570085
>intelligent
By who's standards? College is just a knowledge gatekeeping institution.

>>24570243
Nobody believes fascism makes you a "monster" even more. Even reading someone saying "[fascism makes you a] literal monster," like in your post, makes a growing % of people instinctively picture a pearl-clutching, out of touch, genX/millennial faggot trying and failing to gatekeep. It just makes people want to be a fascist more. This is why you lost.

>>24570251
By literally anyone with a brain. If you listen to Medhi Hasan for 2 minutes you can perceive the depth of his grasp on a given subject matter.
>>24570254
I don't disagree in the broader context of a layman's engagement with policy in current year, I just think and will continue to think you're a moron if you fall into that camp. Good luck with the sperg push. I am sure it's going to work this time. At the end of the day what you're really advocating for is treating people like cattle who are only able to perceive lowest common denominator emotionally charged slogans as truth and I refuse to believe that's all we are as a species.

>>24570264
Yeah but are minds actually real?

>>24570265
Real as an abstraction field of one (1) individual perceiving and navigating the world via the 5 senses, sure. Real as in I can grab physically, no.

>>24570264
>Good luck with the sperg push. I am sure it's going to work this time.
Thank you, I think it's going well. This is exactly what people said in 2010, 2015, always arguing that this was just a momentary recrudescence. Especially in the last few years I've become much, much more confident that the things I don't like are breaking down and the things I like are gaining momentum and converging.

>>24569559
>leftists
>neoliberal
anything is possible when you don't know what basic words mean

>>24570254
Fascism doesn't make you anything. People go to fascism because they're retarded and beligerent.
Ideology is downstream of personality; dumb cunts fall for dumb cunt "ideas"

>>24570275
>and converging.
This is the only thing that matters. None of that momentum shit tells me anything until you cross the Rubicon. We got close on Jan 6th but he pussied out. THEY PUSSIED OUT. Orange man ain't no Julius that's for sure. Next up JD Vance. He has a way better chance because he's not an ego driven greedy moron fighting off an obvious pedo accusation.

>>24570283
Fascist theory would partly agree with what you're saying, since healthy people will naturally prefer orderly, hierarchical, healthy societies. But you underrate ideas. Fascism is about "mens sana in corpore sano." You are enabled to have healthy, true ideas by aligning your "body" (your instincts, conduct, the basic warp and woof of your culture) with health. Socrates could be Socrates because he lived in a Greek polis, which was basically an ethnonationalist martial republic.

There were many Greek poleis that didn't produce a Socrates and lived fundamentally healthy lives, they had healthy "bodies" with dormant or preoccupied minds, but the best fascists knew that the best fascist society would be one in which healthy body and alert mind are united.

>>24570295
>JD Vance is not an ego driven greedy moron
being retarded enough to believe this is why you will continue to fail.

>>24570304
It's all relative, you dumb fuck. Who am I comparing him to?

>>24570302
>fascist society
>healthy bodies and alert minds
(You) can only pick one, untermensch.

>>24570306
obviously, the wrong person.
>sure my pants are full of piss but at least I didn't also shit myself
you should try comparing the couchfucker to someone with an IQ over 87

>>24570313
Retard, who is president? Why the fuck would I compare him to literally anyone else? How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast tomorrow?

>>24570295
Jan 6 was a deep state honeypot, it was meant to look like a "cool fun coup" to right wingers who were supposed to take the bait like "hell yeah I'll do a coup lmao." What Jan 6 reveals about the deep state is actually shocking: it reveals that it actually believes the CNN/MSNBC shit about MAGA republicans being crazy right wingers, near to the furthest extent of what it means to be right wing at all. Anyone with historical sense would know that MAGA is a limp-dicked populist movement with right wing POTENTIAL, at most. Jan 6 revealed that the deep state's political imaginary is very impoverished, and when real scary shit actually arrives it won't know what the hell to do with it.

I would not want to be in America when a real Jan 6 happens. They were so ready for a clampdown, show trials, etc. When the real thing happens it'll be a fucking mess and they'll probably escalate it unnecessarily by provoking the mob. America is very unstable and its existing elites are too stupid to manage the instability even to their own benefit.

Vance is even more interesting because he was meant to be "Trump but with Reagan polish and manageability" and was grown in a lab by Thiel types. But he's already behind the times. He might get elected or something but what MAGA really WAS has already surpassed him and bypassed him, it's already searching for its Huey Longs and so forth. JD Vance is a test tube baby, he can't have the charisma that the nascent American populist left/right synthesis is silently calling out for.

>>24570309
>Heidegger is often considered to be among the most important and influential philosophers of the 20th century by many observers.

>>24568917 (OP)
I saw a clip of the video and there was some weird Iranian monarchist dressed like a devilish pimp. What's up with those people? They think pic rel is Persian and "King of the Aryans" or something, when in reality he's a fucking Turk if you dig into his genealogy.

>>24570318
>Why the fuck would I compare him to literally anyone else?
because Trump is a freak of nature. it's exceptionally rare for someone so blatantly retarded to have political sway.
Vance has no charisma and is nearly as retarded, to say "He has a way better chance" just outs you as a dumbfuck.
>muh heckin le breakfasterino
you read it on reddit so it MUST be true, right?

>>24570330
Nobody supports the Shah's babby, that was a pathetic Israeli color revolution attempt.

>>24570328
>decrepit fat fuck
Point proven, thanks underling.

>>24570332
>doesn't answer the breakfast question
That's really all we nee to see.
>He has a way better chance"
Yeah, because he's not a fucking moron repeating the same 10 slogans and riffing on current event. He can form cogent thoughts and express ideas like an educated human. No way MAGA stays together under Vance but it doesn't need to. He just needs the techbros and the trad retards to march lockstep into their new no brown people crypto AI utopia.

>>24570336
You should have gone with Untertan, like Mann's Der Untertan. There's a good 1951 movie based on it that you would probably enjoy.

>>24570335
Iranians who use this flag everywhere, what do they support then?

>>24570341
The vague idea of non-Islamic nationalist Iran. Emigres who support the Shah are confused. Nobody in Iran, including those who hate the regime, really gives a fuck about the Shah's brat. Can you imagine the literal Jews and Amrika are trying to collapse your country, bombing your family and friends in broad daylight, and then they say "Here you go, here's your new leader for you! He's one of you!" How do you think that would make you feel about this leader?

I think Iranians know Iran would have prospered just fine under the monarchy, and I'm sure they're all willing to conceive of a future that is monarchist in some vague sense. That's not the point. The point is that they don't want a CIA/Israeli puppet leading their shattered, balkanized country so that Jews can carve out Greater Israel.

>>24570338
>That's really all we nee to see.
I'm not answering Le Heckin Breffist Question because you're beneath me.
>he's not a fucking moron repeating the same 10 slogans
Oh no, he absolutely is. He's halfway decent at performing like he's not the spawn of degenerate drug addicts, but the facade is thin and will not hold if he's ever subjected to real scrutiny.

>>24570279
liberalism and leftism are indeed similar, both are rooted in the French Revolution.

>>24570352
>yeah man, Thatcher was a leftist. because france did a thing 300 years ago or something.
words have definitions. learn them.

>>24570349
>moron has bloated ego
Many such cases. What does real scrutiny look like? He already has national attention frequently and the nation has been conditioned to swallow slogans to the point where pedo coverups are accepted as gospel. What fucking magic break through in critical thought are you anticipating?

>>24570323
>muh deepstate
What are your thoughts on the current Epstein discourse? I kind of agree tho, they ain't got the stones but I don't think it has anything to do with a deepstate. I think they're just retarded pussies.

>>24570295
>Next up JD Vance. He has a way better chance because he's not an ego driven greedy moron fighting off an obvious pedo accusation.
Vance is uncharismatic and furthermore JEETED. There won't be any kind of fascist rebirth in America that doesn't include the explusion and confiscation of wealth from universally despised parasites like indians, even moreso than jews.

>>24570372
Well then you're shit out of luck because with this your only option is a retarded ancient pedophile.

>>24569559
Ah yes, leftists. Famously protective of the neoliberal status quo.

>>24570362
Trump hogs the spotlight. The only times Vance has ever been looked at for more than 3 consecutive minutes are when the couchfucking meme popped off, and when he had that schizo meltdown about people eating cats and then admitted he made it the fuck up.
He will break the instant he's in the big chair. He's not built for it. Plus most of the right will come down on him for breeding with a pooinloo

>>24570362
I'm not expecting a breakthrough in critical thought though. I'm expecting Trump's death (in the next year judging by those swollen ankles) to be quickly followed by a complete collapse of the American Right, comparable to the impact of Genghis Khan's death on Mongolia's imperial ambitions.
Nobody can fill his shoes and they've put all their eggs in his proverbial basket. Total Rightoid Death is finally imminent and I couldn't be happier.

>>24570370
I think it's a deep state in the boring sense, like Peter Dale Scott's sense of the term, although I think there are truly ugly things lurking beneath it as well. In my opinion the Epstein thing is probably an unusually significant "clump" of threads, all representing what the deep state does all the time, and tangled with many other clumps or nodes of threads in the network, which is why nobody really knows what to do with it, except knowing that it absolutely can't see the full light of day because it'd expose too many other threads to tugging on, and potentially reveal the whole thing. I think they really want to nudge it in the direction of normies going "Some evil pedophile was being a weird pedo and that's bad" instead of "Every state since 1920 has effectively had to run like a mafia."

I thought Dylan Cooper's 2-hour explanation of what he thinks it is on Tucker was plausible enough as as schematic.

>>24570383
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOkaaX8SR-A
The first comment is
>JD Vance is, by far, the most impressive VP in my lifetime.
>>24570389
I genuinely hope you're right, I just think we're going to have to go through the four retarded sons try and fail as well. It won't be instant, but it is inevitable..

>>24570377
>Your choice is either the one shitty testube candidate that's a year old or NOBODY. FOREVER
top kek fellow memester!

Get a grip, there's a vacuum in leadership across the political spe trum in America. The Caesar WILL emerge.

>>24570408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D-ZO2rGcSA
Somehow doubt. There is no one that can hold the MAGA horde together that has emerged. They all lack Trump's charisma.

>>24570412
>London stank of decay back before 1914 and I have recorded the feel of it in a poem here and there. The live man in a modern city feels this sort of thing or perceives it as the savage perceives in the forest. I don’t know how many men keep alive in modern civilization but when one has the frankness to compare notes one finds that the intuition is confirmed just as neatly or almost as neatly as if the other man saw a shop sign.

>Thus London going mouldy back in say 1912 or 1911. After the War death was all over it. Italy was, on the other hand, full of bounce. I said all of this to a Lombard writer. I said: London is dead, Paris is tired, but here the place is alive. What they don’t know is plenty, but there is some sort of animal life here. If you put an idea into these people they would DO something.
Ezra Pound

>At a certain point in their historical lives, social classes become detached from their traditional parties. In other words, the traditional parties in that particular organisational form, with the particular men who constitute, represent and lead them, are no longer recognised by their class (or fraction of a class) as its expression. When such crises occur, the immediate situation becomes delicate and dangerous, because the field is open for violent solutions, for the activities of unknown forces, represented by charismatic "men of destiny."
Antonio Gramsci

>The coming of Caesarism breaks the dictature of money and its political weapon, democracy. After a long triumph of world-city economy and its interests over political creative force, the political side of life manifests itself after all as the stronger of the two. The sword is victorious over the money, the master-will subdues again the plunderer-will. If we call these money-powers 'Capitalism,' then we may designate as Socialism the will to call into life a mighty politico-economic order that transcends all class interests, a system of lofty thoughtfulness and duty-sense that keeps the whole in fine condition for the decisive battle of its history, and this battle is also the battle of money and law. The private powers of the economy want free paths for their acquisition of great resources. No legislation must stand in their way. They want to make the laws themselves, in their interests, and to that end they make use of the tool they have made for themselves, democracy, the subsidized party. Law needs, in order to resist this onslaught, a high tradition and an ambition of strong families that finds its satisfaction not in the heaping-up of riches, but in the tasks of true rulership, above and beyond all money-advantage. A power can be overthrown only by another power, not by a principle, and no power that can confront money is left but this one. Money is overthrown and abolished only by blood.
Oswald Spengler

>>24570432
I am not saying the land isn't primed for fascism I am saying no one has emerged to fill the role. If Booger Nick and Hamas Piker do a fusion dance, then maybe.

>>24570444
It can't be one person anymore because they'll just imprison or kill them. No sense putting all your eggs in one basket. What you'll probably see is a network of Fuentes and Piker types going progressively more radical and the state confused about which ones to crack down on, and then when they do crack down they'll worsen it as the network will radicalize further.

I think Tucker knows that if he ran he'd be JFK'ed sooner or later.

>>24568917 (OP)
I expected actual conservatives but almost all of them were 65 IQ /pol/tards. Imagine getting BTFO by a pajeet muslim kek.

>>24570452
The risk of one führer being knocked off has mitigated rather than increased relative to the extremely high likelihood before universal camera usage and detailed information trails. Our ostensible candidates just aren‘t equal to the task.

>>24570452
Tucker would be the closest one to him if he wasn't bought and paid for by Russian money.

>>24570484
Russian money american money martian money why should the average unimportant unconnected citizen give a fuck

>>24570452
Massie is the single most promising and by that i mean th only even plausible candidate

>>24570395
>The first comment is "JD Vance is, by far, the most impressive VP in my lifetime."
Do you expect the people commenting on the official FOX News Youtube channel to not be middle-aged drunks?

>>24570502
Because when Mussolini was Hitler's underling all he managed to do was turn his nation's sons into someone else's slaves and they died a pointless death. But I mean, don't let me stop you. I would actually think that's really fucking funny if it happened again. Fucking True. Let's ride Tucker.

>>24570519
Just representative voices of their movement.

>>24570522
You act like the absence of that relationship would have made those deaths any more pointed

>>24570535
At least it'd be of their own free will rather than useless in the way meat sacks trudging to accomplish someone else's vision.

>>24570555
>trudging to accomplish someone else's vision.
It's that because of the money, not the geolocation

>>24570561
It's because they were nowhere near of Hitler's army caliber in terms of efficacy or preparation. You think Tucker would win the battle of wills vs Putin and swing the American dick around on his own?

>>24570567
I think we've moved past the point

>>24570591
You right. Dear man in the sky, A pointless death to all fascists, amen.

>>24570596
Zzz

>>24570600

Can I get a qrd on this thread I read it all and have no idea what its about thx

>>24570612

>>24570612
Piggies getting riled up over their next algorithmically mandated culture war slop in an increasingly irrelevant but marginally more intelligent corner of the internet

>>24570614
Who is this doughboy

>>24570614
Looks evil

>>24570634
https://youtu.be/2S-WJN3L5eo?si=Vw4KGhV0WjUK2OD2&t=1327

>>24570637
>si=
Strip the tracking parameter off your link next time, faggot tourist

>>24570642
No, TRACK MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Politics is a waste of time; the best thing you can get out of it is meeting like-minded people. Being celebrated by your Twitter circle is more important than appearing reasonable in front of a group of normalfags who aren't going to change their minds, at an event that won't change anything at all.

>>24568917 (OP)
what are you talking about, he absolutely destroyed that "professor shitskin"

>>24570660
By coming off as a lunatic?

>>24569660
"his bad look" is a giant cope, he looks pretty good compared to 80% of the population

I just watched the full thing and thought he did quite well aside from being nervous and saying "frankly" too much. The Paki was just pearl clutching and not engaging with the ideas.

>>24570663
He's fat and closeted

>>24570458
>professor shit skin won
no he didn't, he simply said "so you want to rape children mr fascist?"
that retards has reddit tier understanding of politics

>>24570663
>80% of the population can't beat this
grim

>>24570666
What were the ideas? I'm not watching 5 hours of video bullshit

>>24570681
>TND
>TKD
>Child brides
>AI wives
>Schmittian catholic autocracy

>>24570692
How is so you want to rape children mr fascist a bad line of questioning then you retarded bonobo gorilla nigger?

>>24568917 (OP)
>catholic judeo-brahmin putting a brown shudra in his place

>>24570681
Well he didn't really get to get into the ideas too much because the Paki began pearl clutching and hurling accusations at every opportunity. Basically the fat guy is a sort of religious neofascist who's against democracy. As soon as he said that the Paki starting twisting himself into knots about how evil the fat guy is. Started saying "but we're having a debate this is the basis of democracy!" Etc. Then he just said i dont debate with fascists and that was it. It was ironic and he refuted himself because according to him democracy is supposed to be an arena for open debate but he won't go even venture a foot outside of his self imposed intellectual prison and question whether democracy itself is good or not. He says he believes in free speech but such a belief is worthless when he considers some ideas out of the bounds of consideration and goes to the point of deplatforming and refusing to engage with his interlocutor. In the end both of them don't really believe in free speech, both want to censor their opponents, it's just the fat guy is honest about it and the Paki is not.

>>24570662
lunatic to fags such as yourself

>>24570694
This video has made the right very uncomfortable so they're being very disingenuous about it. The chubby chud literally said "Yes, I am a fascist. I believe in autocracy, I do not give a shit about the constitution and I hope Trump continues to violate it." At that point, there's nothing to debate. They're trying to frame it like the lib guy was calling him names.

>>24570710
You're doing exactly what that faggot did. You just state the position and act shocked. Woman behaviour. What is exactly wrong with this position?

>>24570713
What happens when the next "Trump" isn't on your side, you actual fucking troglodyte?

>>24570700
>Then he just said i dont debate with fascists and that was it. It was ironic and he refuted himself because according to him democracy is supposed to be an arena for open debate but he won't go even venture a foot outside of his self imposed intellectual prison and question whether democracy itself is good or not.
This is disingenuous framing. If you are ideologically opposed to liberal democracy, your values are literally so incompatible that no argument is going to sway you. He did the right thing by recognizing trying to debate him would be fruitless.

Debating /pol/ types is indeed pointless because they have no shame or empathy. They're sociopathic.

>>24570713
You are untermensch and you will soon be executed for the good of society. Obviously you are happy about this and agree you should be exterminated.

>>24570702
AI girlfriend and child brides? Yes, he's lunatic

>>24570722
>empathy is the measure of right and wrong action to the herd

>>24570716
Democracy doesn't actually fix that because politicians are bribed and the narrative is controlled by the system. But a fascist society isn't supposed to have multiple "sides". The culture war shit is a product of Democracy where the two party system creates factionalism and division as each party seeks to differentiate itself from the other. A fascist society is unified under 1 party, like in China for example, and there is much greater social cohesion.

>the herd
You really think you're hot shit, arent you

>>24570730
the fuck are you smoking? wtf does AI girlfriend and child brides have anything to do with this?

>>24570733
Most of the universal themes of human morality boil down to humans being social animals.
>But Nietzche said I'm a special boy!!

>>24570722
>if you don't care about my life you are a sociopsychopathic
stfu

>>24570740
That's authoritarian, not necessarily fascist

>>24570733
>why don't I have friends? don't they know I'm nietzchean ubermensch?

>>24570750
Yes, we shouldn't be charitable to people who want to murder us. It's a big mistake.

>>24570752
Correct

>>24568917 (OP)
This guy has not read Schmitt, and certainly hasn't understood him, if he thinks he or republican voters get any say in the friend/enemy distinction.

>>24570721
Yeah but the contradiction is between his supposed belief in free speech and the arena of debate thay liberal democracy provides versus his unwillingness to consider anything outside of his paradigm. Both are shown to he the same, they don't agree with platforming or giving a voice to the other side. It's just the fat guy tells it straight up and the paki uses psychological tricks and games to fool evem himself. Fundamentally a masculine vs feminine attitude.

Fascism won't work in America because it's too atomized and diverse. There will always be sectarian conflict. Even the right wing is not close to monolithic. The Americans missed the boat in the early 20th century imo

>>24569559
Reddit spacing

>>24570740
>like in China for example
China is bifurcated in two capital unequal parts. CCP and their families and the other. The biggest fear for the Taiwan invasion is once the soldiers get their guns the party doesn't know which direction the people are going to march towards. To put in terms you pea brain dumb fuck might understand have a moving picture to illustrate the point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b5uV9Ir-vY

>>24570713
>What is exactly wrong with this position?
Do you mean aside from outing the person who states it as a subhuman retard? Most people think that's enough to disregard somebody.

>>24570765
Again, you're being disingenuous. Being sincere in one's values isn't being closed-minded. He wasn't even denying him free speech by disengaging. He recognized as a liberal democrat, he and the fascist were inherently incompatible and there is nothing either would be able to say to one another than would make them go "Huh, wow good point," and reacted accordingly.

>>24570765
>Free Speech means you have to treat my dumbfuck bleating with respect
we're reaching levels of Seethe that should be impossible

>>24570750
I went to school for something useful, but isn't one of the -pathies (socio or psycho) literally defined by an incapacity for empathy?
What point do you think you're making?

>>24570716
There hasn't been a single politician or leader or anyone le "on my side" my entire fucking life. Somehow, I survived.

Democracy amounts to psychos jockeying over retards so they can wield extreme power over you BUT ONLY BRIEFLY until the next election when another cookie cutter fucker does the same thing. It makes you feel better being fucked over by a group and that you can't blame any specific executive, but it's not really a good system.

I don't know about full blown fascism, but universal sufferage is not good. Low iq niggers are not my countrymen and I'm sick of living with them. I'm sick of suffering for the benefit of these animals. Fuck indians, too.

>>24570716
They get removed by another "Trump" who senses the weakness and corruption.

>>24570782
>>24570798
So you're claiming as long as the state doesn't put you in prison for your speech but you get socially ostracised and deplatformed and cancelled it's actually still free speech because it doesn't violate the contingent US constitution. So it's purely a legal matter for you, not an ideological one?
>>24570770
Something like 90% of chinese support the ccp, it's just a fact that an authoritarian society isn't as factional as a democratic one. I mean it's literally systematic just think about it for 2 seconds. If democracy was a disinterested search for the truth then the republican and democratic parties could theoretically find the truth and come to an agreement on everything. But this would never happen because they need a way to differentiate themselves and keep the social factionalism going. So they play to different groups. The Blacks, the sexual perverts, the Christians, women, the poor, the rich, homeowners, seniors, the middle class etc.

>>24570824
>Something like 90% of chinese support the ccp,
Because the other option is you get raped and shot.

>>24570824
>you get socially ostracised and deplatformed and cancelled
That's just a skill issue. People don't like retards, so don't be a retard. Fix your shit instead of digging in your heels like an autist.
It's super simple.

>>24570824
>it's purely a legal matter for you, not an ideological one?
Free speech has never been more than a legal matter, it only becomes an ideological matter when a drunk with an IQ below 83 has a meltdown over not being treated like they have value.

>>24570824
>So it's purely a legal matter for you, not an ideological one?
No, it is an ideological value that forms the foundation of the legal matter.
But that value does not mean everyone should be entitled to a debate. Just like you're free to say whatever you want, if what you say is so abhorrent nobody wants to associate with you, they're free to not associate with you.

>>24570836
Idiotic. Free spech ensures the functioning of the langiage competition and competition is how strength is nurtured.

>>24570804
>i let a bunch of pseudo-scientist who call all aggressive actions mental illness to trick me into being an obedient bitch
no, a psychopath is far more than "not feeling empathy for your ENEMIES"
he doesn't feel empathy for ANYONE, not even his friend, he can't smell coffee,...
you are one of those retards who think terrorists are psychopaths

>>24570833
>>24570836
So he said he doesn't believe in free speech for blasphemy and pornography, and for that you think he is outside the bounds of acceptable conversation in a Liberal democracy. Ok. But European countries put people in prison for speech today. They do it for different reasons -- maybe someone is racist or denies some historical event or prays outside of an abortion clinic -- but they still do it. Yet none of these liberal democrats have ever proposed a boycott of the UK, for example, or said that Keir Starmer "is beyond the bounds of acceptable discourse". It's obvious neither side believes in free speech as a principle. It's just that the fat guy in this video was honest about it, and you're not.

>>24570854
>Free spech ensures the functioning of the langiage competition and competition is how strength is nurtured.
if only you knew how retarded you sound like rn
>langiage competition
this is what you care about? you dense motherfucker, stop pretending as if you understand what you are saying

>>24570855
>ENEMIES
you're deeply ill and unfit for civilized society.

>>24570850
Just like the guy in the video I don't believe in free speech. But if I were to make an argument for it I'd say: by restricting freedom of speech we potentially blind ourselves to true ideas that are socially unacceptable. Banning speech presupposes that you have the ultimate unchallengable truth. Instead we ought to allow speech to flourish so that we may test our ideas against each other, so that through open debate and challenge the ones that are the best will naturally rise to the top.

But those exact arguments can be used in favour of a general attitude of open mindedness that allows one to question anything including the idea of liberal democracy.

>>24570854
nobody is obligated to "compete" with obvious schizoretard pablum.
deplatforming IS the marketplace of ideas: your superiors told you to shut the fuck up and go away. others' free speech includes their right to call you a stupid cunt and take the microphone out of your hand.
cope and sneed.

>>24570856
I've been honest about it this whole time.
We don't need to throw people in prison for being retarded, we just don't need to give them a megaphone either. Pretending there's a moral obligation to "hear them out" is how western society has started to backslide in recent decades.

>>24569559
The fact that half those people in that circle are spinning up alt-right grifter YouTube accounts after their appearance on this show, completely discredits your theory.

>>24570871
>>24570857
Nature is competition. Competition is strength. Strength is the State
Succumb to strength. Embrace fascism.

>>24570880
No

>>24570864
Cool, but none of that entitles someone to a debate, especially if it is clear that debate would be pointless due to incompatible values or bad faith.
If you want to write a treatise arguing that is morally correct to rape newborn babies fresh from the womb, you're welcome to do so. But I'm not being "closed-minded" by being uninterested in reading it.

didn't watch but the other guy is a literal sandnigger named ahmed ahmed that shouldn't exist on my planet

>>24570883
You don't actually have a choice because I'm stronger than you

Free speech just means the government can't censor you. It doesn't mean not wanting to talk to random retards as a private citizen. When did it get so perverted?

>>24570888
I can kick your ass, pal. Wanna bet?

>>24570890
In the last 10 years the morons of society were convinced that their mouth noise is just as valuable to the faucets of power as the educated opinion and it's brown to suggest otherwise.

>>24570893
I'm positive I could disembowel any frogposter in existence

>>24570859
enjoy jewish cum while you can, we will get rid of them soon

>>24570859
>the civilized society

>>24570817
>There hasn't been a single politician or leader or anyone le "on my side" my entire fucking life
Then why would you want them to have more granular control?

>>24570378
>>24570279
It's not the Bush years anymore. Ideologies evolve with culture and technology and yes, Leftism is closely aligned with Neoliberalism. Sorry you're not the cool kids anymore.

>>24570920
>Leftism is closely aligned with Neoliberalism
I don't think you understand either of those concepts, bud.

>>24570885
How is banning pornography and blasphemy equivalent to raping and killing babies out of the womb

>>24570898
You‘re right, I‘d be absolutely eviscerated in a fight. Fascism wins and I can‘t do anything to stop it.

>>24570898
>>24570935
Nice try, fag.

>>24570948
>88
He has at least 88 frogs locked and loaded. There is no escape.

>>24570931
I was using that as an extreme example to illustrate how declining to engage with people arguing from a place fundamentally incompatible with your values is not closed-mindedness.

>>24568917 (OP)
Mehdi should have asked him why Hitler, after becoming autocrat, had Ernst Röhm killed and the SA crushed. Funny, the friend-enemy distinction broke down for some reason, in particular with friends that thought a bit too highly of themselves because they've been through thick and thin with the autocrat since the early days.

Jubilee is so scummy with this
>Tell atheists they'll be debating a Christian
>The "Christian" is Jordan Peterson, who is more interested in labyrinthine semantic word games than theology
>Tell liberal he'll be debating far-right Republicans
>Half the crowd are literal fascists who don't even believe in republics
Just abhorrent work

>>24571017
The funny thing is they don’t even believe in autocracy, fascism, or whatever. You can tell because they smirk while saying it like they are comedians doing an ePiC troll. They just want to behave badly and then point and be like “look how angry the libz are LULZ. I was just joking. Wow, libz can’t take a heckin’ jokerino ”. They are illiterate, and frighteningly stupid, ideologues.

>>24571115
>The funny thing is they don’t even believe in autocracy, fascism, or whatever. You can tell because they smirk while saying it like they are comedians doing an ePiC troll.
At that point, I'd be curious what parts of fascism they disagree with if they truly don't feel like the label fits or getting called one offends them.

>>24569805
Because they were easily mogged.

>>24571115
These kids are the future of America btw.

>>24569559
spbp

it's all fake agitprop for the dumbest

>>24569559
The so-called dissident right aka far right is celebrating on twitter about how their guys BTFO a liberal or something

>>24570878
How? Any reasonable person would infer the opposite, that it absolutely confirms it.

>>24571429
No they aren't.

>>24570930
>um achkooally you can't use those words because bla bla bla bla
Is anyone impressed by this semantic dishonesty game other than than the people playing it? In my experience, no one falls for it anymore, which only makes you say it more and louder

it's not gatekeeping if the gate only keeps you in and no one outside cares

embarrassing

>>24571429
>yeah bro the Fourth Reich is totally on twitter
>half of them are brown, mostly in India and Brazil
>the other half are bots

>>24571438

>>24570756
cool it with the antisemitism anon

>>24571115
Nobody believes in anything. It's all veiked self interest unless you're so stupid you're just someone else's goon.

>>24571436
https://x.com/sarahcstock/status/1947009350351929653

The far right/alt right died at Charlottesville, , richard spencer got buck broken into being a liberal, the rest either went to prison or just quit.

The current "right wing" consists of zionists neizcheans like bap, or brown third worldist grifters like nick fuentes

>>24571472
The was never any such thing as the alt right. The MSM wanted boogiemen and the "leaders" were a bunch of loser wannabes hungry to pose as powerful.

>>24571472
Fuentes isn't a third worldist.

Literature, huh?

>>24571461
>uhh the problem with wages is the millionaires and big businesses NOT migrants
>'ok who is hiring the migrants'
>..................FUCKING REPUBLICANS ARE EVIL YOU"RE REPUBLICAN
is this scripted?

>>24571480
yes he is, he puts ideology before race, this is why he wont shut up about jews. which leads to him hating and shitting on america and teaming up with commies, muslims, and blacks

>>24571472
>he far right/alt right died at Charlottesville
You mean that meeting of people who did absolutely nothing and are now confirmed to have been the result of intelligence agency agitation? I hate to break it to you anon but the so called 'alt right' only exists in two places, on TV and in your head.

Do yourself a favor and spend a week reading Moldbug then come back and apologize for being so cringe and embarrassing.

>>24571438
Neoliberalism is the foundation of the free market capitalist economy. There are no semantic games here, that's literally the definition. Do tell how leftism "closly aligns" with it.

>>24571485
He shits on the US government (particularly the Republicans) which is controlled by jews. Do you want him to ignore jews? Spencer talked about them. Even now, Spencer is anti-Israel and subtly antisemitic.

bla bla bla you're lame, here's the kosher alternative

>>24571487
>capitalism built America? no no no that's all wrong
>actually capitalism is when you do mulatto trannies
jesus dude

>>24570295
>. Next up JD Vance. He has a way better chance because he's not an ego driven greedy moron fighting off an obvious pedo accusation.
This might be the most delusional post itt. Vance is just another career politician. He believes in nothing. What he says and does is purely dependent on his financiers like Peter Thiel.

In his own words:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rxyW_rHwbY

The reason fascism will never again resurface is precisely because most people are like Vance, they believe in nothing. You understand what fascism means? It's based on sticks bundled together for strength, how can there be any real collective effort when everyone is an amoral liar looking for their next grift?

>>24571461
>one literal who foid
>isnt even Dasha
>the far right
?

>>24571494
Bro what the fuck are you on about?

>>24571489
i dont care, he is a third worldist who hates jews and america to the point he would team up with muslims or other shitskins and even says nice things about leftists.

at the end of the day he is a con man, a virgin, a grifter, and i doubt he has read the bible or stepped foot in a church despite proclaiming to be a Christian nationalist

>>24571502
She gets more likes than Dasha. Dasha literally married a pajeet and posts mostly bullshit.

>>24571504
>pretending to be dumb
there's that slime uncle Adolf talked about

>Neoliberalism is the foundation of the free market capitalist economy.
This is the nonsense. It's completely fucking insane/retarded

>>24571507
Are you jewish by any chance? He makes jews seethe for some reason. But no, he's not thirdworldist. You're thinking Jackson Hinkle or something.

>>24571521
>>24571494
capitalism never existed before HRT, trust

>>24570356
yeah and words have histories, k buttmad leftist?

fascism died in 1945, communism died in 1991, anything afterwards is performative larping or art.
the far right died because they won, trump won. But they attached themselves to a con man like trump who mostly accomplished nothing in his first term. He isnt a fascist dictator, he is just a neocon with a harsh personality that pisses off the bourgeoise because he lacks decorum.

the left still believes in democracy, at their most extreme they are social democrats of the aoc, bernie, zohran type. there is no popular Maoism or Leninism. I figure even if the pendulum swings back left the left will be disappointed with future president AOC.

Our little detour into populism will fail and we will return to a zombie neoliberalism, fukuyama won, ideology doesnt matter anymore, power does

>>24571522
not jewish, but you think anyone who is critical of your daddy is a jew, so it doesnt matter.
As i said, his teaming up with muslims and negroes while he shits on lower class white people makes me think he isnt serious and is just a grifter and a third worldist

are you by chance a fatherless brown zoomer? because thats the only type of idiot who likes nick

>>24571521
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
>Neoliberalism[1] is a political and economic ideology that advocates for free-market capitalism, which became dominant in policy-making from the late 20th century onward.

What the fuck did you think neoliberalism was? What school system failed you so miserably?

>>24571521
Nigga you one of the dumbest fuckniggas I've ever read on the chans. Obsessed with le trans as always. I would tell you to do it, but instead have le nice day. The other anon owned your ass heavily.

>>24571521
>Neoliberalism is the foundation of the free market capitalist economy.
>This is the nonsense. It's completely fucking insane/retarded

>>24571540
>>24571547
Are we in the 20 century? Keep reading your own wiki article since you're either retarded or pretending to be. Hard to say which is worse, but either way you're not worth more.

>The term is rarely used by proponents of free-market policies.[28] When the term entered into common academic use during the 1980s in association with Augusto Pinochet's economic reforms in Chile, it quickly acquired negative connotations and was employed principally by critics of market reform and laissez-faire capitalism.
Again, JESUS. If you weren't a shameless moron you'd be twice as embarrassed as I am just imagining your self refuting person.

>>24571558
>it quickly acquired negative connotations and was employed principally by critics of market reform and laissez-faire capitalism.
This is paraphrasing my definition.

>>24571558
Either you're trolling or having a stroke or similar medical emergency, but you just said "Neoliberalism is free market capitalism" is insane/retarded, then posted a quote agreeing that Neoliberalism is used to describe the free market.
Truly a baffling play here.

>>24571521
>there's that slime uncle Adolf talked about

>>24568917 (OP)
Kek I just watched this and he actually beat him. It's funny how Mehdi's only form of argument seems to be liberal moralising and veiled scare tactics like "millions of people are watching" and as soon as you just straight up admit you're a fascist and despise his values he has no argument.

>>24570680
This is what every chud posting Arno Breker looks like in reality.

>>24572281
Does it matters? Breker himself was an ugly man. We project our desires into art because reality sucks major dick.

>>24568917 (OP)
>millions of people are watching you
What an effeminate bitch. This is whole liberal order really. It's just peer pressure and self interest. They have no personal views.

>>24568917 (OP)
What a fucking faggot for not bashing capitalism when he got the chance. Imagine larping as a fascist and only sucking cock of someone because "BASED DADDY KILLED COMMUNISTS" while completely ignoring the actual monster that is capitalism and how these centrists support capitalism. Here once again a fascist betrayed his anti-capitalist agenda to prove to libs how heckin based fascists are for killing communists. Same tactics both communists and fascists do to please their liberal masters.

Fascists be like:
>We are heckin good guys because we killed communists
Communists be like:
>See liberal-sama we are heckin based for killing fascists
This is how capitalism won.

All of them are fucking dumb as shit. Politics are mental retardation.

>>24568917 (OP)
Norm come back to life

>>24568917 (OP)
>Yes I'm a fascist. Yes I believe in autocracy. No I don't believe in free speech.
>Nooooooo I just got fired for being a fascist! I'm being politically persecuted! What is this, some kind of fascist dystopia??

>>24571530
>fukuyama won, ideology doesnt matter anymore, power does
My thoughts exactly

>>24570770
>The biggest fear for the Taiwan invasion is once the soldiers get their guns the party doesn't know which direction the people are going to march towards.
the fear about any taiwan war is that it ruins the economy and comfortable middle class people are not comfortable anymore. people don't hate the party they hate the thought of being poor again and the poverty they suffered is unspoken because things are "good" now. but if they are not good anymore then the complaints begin.

>>24570770
>The biggest fear for the Taiwan invasion is once the soldiers get their guns the party doesn't know which direction the people are going to march towards.
Kek, most Chinese are nationalistic

>>24569559
>leftists create a show where they can hold alt-right tryouts for grifttube

Stupid hypothesis. Apply Occam’s razor next time. MAGA really is just that full of low IQ freaks.

>>24571530
>fukuyama won
t. anyone apart from fukuyama himself

Lol. This guy already has a donation page setup. The grift begins! Look out for his memecoin!

>>24572804
>>24572387
Evergreen

>>24572804
every groyper just wants to be nick and nothing more, that's why I believe their movement (as is) is destined to fail. the movement has to move past trump but at some point it has to also move past nick to reach its full potential.

>>24572440
But so are leftists

>>24572419
>unlicensed kindergarten adds lead to kids meals to make it more appealing
>over 200 kids get sick
>local officials get bribed to cover up the numbers
>angry parents protest
>governments dispatches a force to hit the parents on the head with batons
>Aaaaaaa I am so nationalistic stop hitting me
>>24572414
>the economy
>14.5% youth unemployment according to OFFICIAL numbers.
lol, lmao

>>24572812
we need a way to supplement nick and not copy him!

>>24572889
>a way to supplement nick
Improve the booger logistic chain I say.

>>24572900
thats a heidecker era smear you have to call him gay fed now. stay stuck in your old ways you become an old person you need to force yourself to think younger

>>24569805
People who rarely engage in more aggressive discourse like a debate get a ton of adrenaline (or 'nerves') when doing so. Confrontation is rare, so it's basically like when a dog's back fur raises- to describe the feeling, it feels like you're shaking and your thoughts are a fair bit clouded to focus solely on the current topic and person.

People who debate more generally don't experience this.

>>24572916
What's younger than eating boogers? Skibidi rizz frfr.

>>24571528
that's not a counterargument, you're just brain damaged.

>>24571521
>>24571606
Follow your leader, you fucking pussies.

>>24571486
>>>/pol/ stay on your containment board, you fucking drunk.

>>24571438
Words have definitions, and if you want to have a sincere discussion all parties have to agree on the definitions of the terms being used.
Of course there's no obligation: if you don't wish to be taken seriously, you can keep bleating like a retard. But at least stop reddit spacing, you're clogging up the thread.

>>24570880
>t. fat dyel

>>24568917 (OP)
Christcucks are getting a little too uppity for my liking. Midterms can’t come soon enough.

>>24570295
>Next up JD Vance. He has a way better chance because he's not an ego driven greedy moron fighting off an obvious pedo accusation
The double whammy of claiming that Vance is not an ego driven moron and admitting you threw everything behind an obvious pedophile is hilarious, you people are so fucking retarded

>>24573005
>you people
Learn to read.

>>24572992
damn is going to be so awesome to vote again. nothing makes me feel more powerful

>>24570395
>pointing out top YouTube comment on 4chan

Please kill yourself

>>24572974
Yes, I hear Argentina is lovely this time of year.

>>24572989
That looks like you

>>24573033
isnt it middle of winter there

>>24573023
Nigger what? You're too precious to gather information?

>>24573070
Yes they have lovely winters

>>24573077
No honestly kys or go back to your worthless updoot-style skinner box

>>24573084
>no argument
>m-muh sicrit club
Yeah, okay. Neck yourself retard.

>>24573035
that's the fat retard behind Stonetoss, dumbfuck.
the archetypal current-day fashoid: fat, stupid, worthless.

>>24573033
He didn't make it out, he was a bitchy little cunt that couldn't handle the logistics.

reminder that Hitler was just a heretical marxist with darwinist foundations
instead of class race was seen to be the driver behind the material progress
nazis and communists are both rubbish parodies

yeah dude, anything is possible when you just make shit up.

>>24573092
>arguments have to be understood by stupid old me for them to exist
No

>>24573106
Interesting, he looks jist like you

>>24573112
Cia records basically confirm it

>>24573186
>produces nothing outside of muh feeling
>y-you just don't understand
Fuck off you fucking moron.

>>24573186
reddit spacing

>>24568917 (OP)
the era of White guilt is over

>>24573192
Are you on anti-psychotics? The way you even write is strange

>>24573212
It's not even

>>24573257
>pivots into ad-hom
Wow, that's epic. You have nothing interesting to say. At all.

>>24573289
not even, I didn't ascribe anything to you. It's a genuine question.

>>24573302
>is strange
>I didn't ascribe anything to you.
Noose.

>>24573316
Your writing is you? If you're not on antipsychotics you should be

>>24569559
>This little Kermit dude would not have agreed to appear on this show without first knowing that he would come off looking like the "good guy/goy"
Sure fooled Peterson

Ummm guys?

>>24573383
Many such cases

>>24573377
Why are you this fucking dense? Where do your thoughts come from?

>>24573383
Behind every bbc post is this face. They cope by saying it's the browns, but we all know the truth

>>24573383
>Every racist modern day American Nazi started as an interracial porn addict
He's completely correct, rightoid "politics" is just a cuck fetish turned malignant.

>>24572804
>Fired for my political beliefs
"Yes, I am a fascist"
More like consequences for his actions.
You are basically forcing your employer to fire you if you are unable to not say stuff like this in public

>>24573383
This is a psyop. It makes no logical sense that someone would cope with something shameful and embarrassing like porn addiction by becoming someone 10x more shameful and embarrassing.

>>24573422
Unless shame and embarrassment is what turns them on like literally all the cucks.

>>24572804
thanks, i donated

>>24573427
Good point.

>>24573396
I hope you stay assmad for the rest of the day

>>24572804
Nobody's mentioned what he did for work

>>24573442
I won't. I've already forgotten you exist.

>>24571540
braudel and wallerstein are right that capitalism is anti-free market as true free markets entail true competition, limited profits, and are anti-monopoly as a result. the whole neoliberal "capitalism = free markets" is a malicious plutocratic lie baked into our current gay paradigm thats allowed a global oligarchy to take over the global economy unimpeded.

>leftist cuz showing these clowns off to the public
No, no, no. That is not how this works, or what is going on
By having these people and their opinions appear in public debate forums, they are lending legitimacy to the positions. By treating very unserious positions, seriously, that makes people believe it's a live opinion to hold - that it's not only for total retards

It's similar to when news channels have vaccine sceptics/vaccine-cause-autism retards debate actual doctors. That makes it seem like there's more to the retard's case than there actually is. These are not people who should be treated seriously and presented to the public as peers to a doctor

>>24573383
>4chan is a single entity
kill yourself twatterfaggots.

>>24573453
We deserve to hear both sides and make up our own minds about it. Just because you say it's illegitimate doesn't mean it's illegitimate.

>>24573466
No you don't, because your too retarded for your own good. You need to protect and shielded from stuff that is too complicated for you to understand, so you don't get dumb ideas

>>24573466
>both sides
There's no side to the vaccine-cause-autism it's absolute drivel
They got no arguments, no theories, no nothing. Just being total retards about how to go about evaluating data, then pure dishonesty after becoming aware of the problems with their method.

This is why I'm pro-deplatforming and pro-censorship

>>24573476
as john s mills once gleamed, by censoring wrong opinion you are robbing humanity of the experience of error and the further refinement of truth that comes from contact with. go back to plebbit

>>24573485
go move to china nigger

>>24573486
I genuinely think gross misinformation is harmful, and it's one of those harms I'dd like to prevent
don't know what good will come out this

>>24573492
Dude, deplatforming and censorship is HUGE in the west right now. It's what being woke is all about, it's the main tool

>>24573500
retards are always, ALWAYS going to traffic in drivel and their illusionary idols and calling for state censorship is just giving institutions of power the charter to silence actual dissenting voices elsewhere. if there is "misinformation" that the state or mega corp monopolies needs to make a discrete unilateral opaque decision to censor then they can just as easily deem issues and opinions that arent misinformation/are factually correct but still politically incorrect as misinformation and rob the public of those truths. sorry to see the biden era fearmongering turned your brain into mush. go read mills and arendt

>>24573510
okay and? fuck them and fuck you for trafficking in it.

>>24573516
Probably I don't want state censorship
I just want to cultivate values where it's frowned upon to do what I described

>>24573519
I don't understand why you want for behavior that causes harm

>>24573516
take a prime example: Politico in 2019 reported that Israel planted electronic espionage equipment around the white house, only for the trump admin to scream "fake news!" and sweep under the rug what should have been one of the biggest foreign espionage scandals in american history. now imagine if the trump admin or other future administrations had the power to completely silence and arrest journalists and shut down their organizations and go after social media discussion over this stuff because they deemed it fake news/misinformation unilaterally, no more further questions. thats the gay and authoritarian future you are advocating for unintentionally

>>24573531
Nobody's advocating state censorship. Fashoids just love to piss and whine that telling them to fuck off and stop being retarded is "equivalent" to state censorship.

>>24573544
wait nevermind, that one dude did advocate for state censorship.
it's a little difficult when the state is itself mostly made up of spastics and drunks.

>>24573531
you are advocating at the very least for a sanitary, comfy environment that will keep people intellectually infantile with no way to awaken from error and become smarter and better citizens. recognition of other people being retards saying retarded things and having the self-awareness and intelligence to rise above it is essential in a free society.
>>24573536
censoring discourse decreases how open society is and gives misplaced powers to institutions that dont deserve, governmental or private/corporate, it doesnt matter.
>>24573544
while it lacks the issue of arrest and imprisonment, corpoate/private censorship is just as bad in its own ways because its given influence over the public sphere to completely unaccountable private and special interests that almost never have the actual public interest at heart, or at the very least have the conflict of interests that always keeps open the potential that they will abuse their powers to silence actual truth under the disguise of stopping mis/disinformation.

this site is just about the only place on the web that doesnt suck ass and thats because theres next to zero censorship and no algorithm to fuck things up further. advocating any kind of censorship on here is retarded and entirely reeks of plebbit tourist behavior

qrd?

>>24572974
on it

>>24573574
>private censorship is just as bad
Typical chud behavior, rhapsodize online about how they're so strong and powerful trannies and DA JOOOOOOS quake before them, then when it comes down to it it's always
>when people are mean to me it is LITERALLY 1984!!!!!!!
Christ you faggots are so fucking pathetic. If you want to worship strength, power, and amorality, then worship it. Don't do this mewling, sniveling little bitch routine when someone calls you retarded for saying Hitler is "Le Based"

>>24573574
>censoring discourse decreases how open society is
Good. Some people are malignant retards and should not feel welcome. See: >>24570283
>private companies are unaccountable
is that why Twitter is in the hole? because it's immune to the consequences of being bought by a retarded drug addict?

>>24573588
He got what he preached and now he big mad

>>24573593
I havent read enough gamergate and culture war political theory to even conceptually understand your deranged response. go read mills and arendt and may god have mercy upon your soul.

>>24573574
>advocating any kind of censorship on here is retarded and entirely reeks of plebbit tourist behavior
nobody is doing this. nobody would ever do this.
we're just telling dumb cunts to fuck off.

>>24573591
NTA but he died in Berlin. He would've never left his people and die in some shithole country.

>>24573598
>is that why Twitter is in the hole? because it's immune to the consequences of being bought by a retarded drug addict?
you mean sold off to another corporate plutocrat who still censors and algorithm-throttles people and ideas? wow great example have a gold star *gold star emoji*

>>24573608
>I can't even conceptually understand your response
I didn't need you to tell me you were retarded, I already knew that

>>24573619
you threw out a bunch of buzzwords trying to nail me as a nazi fascist chud when I'm making a flagrant liberal argument based upon top liberal intellectuals. you are a retard who cannot hold an actual conversation, you want censorship because you can't grapple with other opinions and view points. again, may god have mercy upon your soul

>>24573618
>site used to operate one way
>gets bought
>new owner changes how the site operates
>company collapses into insolvency
these are Consequences, for Actions. definitionally, the market has held Twitter accountable for its retarded decisions.
It turns out it does actually matter who's pulling the lever of power

>>24573588
Say what you will about liberal cancel culture, it's entertaining to see how fast fascists crumble when they get the most diet baby lite version of what they want for their political enemies.

>>24573630
none of those consequences are because of private-corporate censorship and discourse gatekeeping, its because like you said, the plutocrat who bought it (and only redirected the censorship practices he said he was going to stop) is a drug addict who propped the presidential campaign of the orange ex-jeffery epstein jail-bait tag team guy

>>24573451
I bet you've forgotten what state you even live in you fucking psychotic

I don't understand why people are so upset about this censorship talk
We chose to censor all kinds of topics. Nobody is setting up debates about people arguing for brother/sister incest (with a condom!) or trying to figure out if children can consent

>>24573485
based and Palantir-pilled

>>24573694
>Nobody is setting up debates about people arguing for brother/sister incest (with a condom!) or trying to figure out if children can consent
The people who are upset about censorship talk are upset because they want to have these debates so they can fuck their little sisters. Pedocon theory is a theory in the way gravity is a theory

>>24573612
>shithole
Argentina has enclaves that are basically 100% German

>>24573702
The fact that people turn away in disgust and refuse to debate me when I say "Fucking your little sister is based! Prove me wrong!" PROVES me right!

>>24573612
Argentina isn't el salvador you uneducated fool

>>24573711
>>24573705
cope

>>24573632
>how fascists crumble
the person tweeting this is a liberal jew mocking imitating someone who doesn't have the first clue what fascism even is but still warrants such a disproportionate and terrified response, eg you

My point is that you'd probably agree that this
>Fucking your little sister is based! Prove me wrong!
is not a kind of conversation we want normalized, presenting it to the public as a legitimate debate with two sides each with valid points to discuss. I think very very very few people would disagree with this.

Maybe I'm wrong. And you'd be in favour of having these kind of discussion become normal
At least you'd be consistent.

>>24573612
If you want to ignore it fine, but there's mountains of evidence freely available that proves otherwise. You probably think the Hall of Costs was real too.

>>24573694
Those aren't censored topics those are disgusting, furthermore unimportant, topics nobody wants to talk about apart from fetish communities, who regularly indulge in it, I'm sure.

>>24573485
>There's no side to the vaccine-cause-autism it's absolute drivel
it's possible to measure aluminum content in the brain
you are wrong

>>24573694
>I don't understand why people are so upset about this censorship talk
I feel like its pretty obvious that having unaccountable and powerful people decide what can and cant be said is a bad idea.

That being said, fat faggot here wasn't censored in the slightest. Quite the opposite actually. If he were censored he would probably still have a job. He is just being socially shunned for being cringe as fuck.

>>24573422
>This is a psyop. It makes no logical sense that someone would cope with something shameful and embarrassing like porn addiction by becoming someone 10x more shameful and embarrassing.
Everything on twitter is 100% real and only the smartest, sanest, healthiest, and most honest people participate in it.

>>24573725
Right, when I'm using the term 'censor' in this context I don't mean state censorship by law, even if it could involve that
I am talking more about the values people hold, what they would be okay with media doing, or not - even if they are not breaking any laws. Maybe I should use another word, eh, 'censor" seems fine

>>24572440
>MAGA really is just that full of low IQ freaks
Agreed, American Republicans and Democrats should be hanged, especially you.

They got you too, kid?

>>24573722
>there's mountains of evidence
No, there isn't. There's evidence of rumors, hearsay, and myths. No actual proof. The CIA files mention supposed sightings of him and a photo of a Colombian guy with a man who kind of looks like Hitler but that was never proven to be him. Certain Nazis did flee to South America but they were captured years later by intelligence agencies. Also the idea that Hitler was taking photos with the locals is ridiculous.

>>24573789
This is probably how most retards sounded like before the proliferation of most now well known facts.
>the denial of the waterfall at the end of the earth is an ice giant conspiracy theory!!111!11
Again the internet exists, the information is out there, educate yourself if you want. This isn't the 60s anymore where CNN is all we have.

>>24573739
just imagine these terminally online mentally ill monsters are 90% of all internet content

>>24573778
based honeypot debate show tricking retards into making fools out of themselves

>>24573806
You said nothing. Prove me wrong. I've looked at the "information" already.

>>24573789
The fact is there's no smoking gun that proves Hitler died in Berlin

>>24573778
>>24573816
It's also outing how much of this website are just low IQ twitter pol tourists...and right next door is an Ozzy Osborne thread...on /lit/. It's like these aren't people at all but insects getting their thoughts and daily interests radioed into their heads in unison.

>>24570637
This is embarrassing even for a chuddie like me

>>24573814
unfortunately almost every human being from all around the world has internet access and online posters are real human beings, the internet IS real life

>>24573383
that's mostly casual racists plus 4chan also had an influx of normies and redditors for years now, probably due to Trump's first campaign when the website got super mainstream in the media