I am assembling a team for my manga. It'll be ME, an upper int artist serious about making manga, and YOU, an aspiring god writer who can craft a compelling plot and narrative.
Hit me up, if interested: shitwriting (at) cock (dot) li

>>24571477 (OP)
pyw

>>24571493
I will, if you send an email. I'll be doing the majority of the work, so how about you give me the benefit of the doubt? I'm positive my quality won't disappoint

>>24571477 (OP)
If your drawings are as bad as my writing I might be interested

I just have a god complex and main character syndrome

>>24571477 (OP)
What's the genre, OP?

>>24571477 (OP)
He made a thread on /ic/ and won't ever post his work so...

>>24571766
he posted some of his sketches he is legit.

>>24571777
>sketches
with 1 face and vague composition, not enough to prove claims of upper int serious about making manga.

>>24571791
Where's your writing, anon? Or are we projecting?

>>24571741
No real preference, I'm open to almost anything as long as it's good.
If you're still unsure then you may use >>>/ic/7658344
as inspiration

>>24571860
i'm not claiming to be a "god writer", you're talking yourself up and want someone skilled but have nothing to show for it.

>>24571864
I said aspiring god writer, not outright god writer.
Second of all, I have some experience with this stuff, you gotta set some standards or nothing will ever get done.

>>24571863
Saw your art, OP. You're pretty good.

Debating whether to take you up on this. I'm actually a published writer, albeit a pretty minor one; I've gotten multiple short stories and poems published under my own name. The thing is I'm actually hard at work on a big sci-fi story that I've been writing for years now and that I hope to get published. I'd need to make sure I had the time to work on that, since it's my magnum opus, and then have time to write for whatever you'd be working on, too. I do still have to get a job, on top of everything else.

But I'll send you an email with a few samples of my work, see what happens. I figure it couldn't hurt.

>>24571477 (OP)
I'll let you know when my internet isnt throttled by feds.

>>24571869
>you gotta set some standards
the same goes for any interested writers though, and since you are the one offering it's reasonable to expect things establishing the offer as legit.
there's no end to mangaka claiming to be passionate or serious. but ultimately it's all going to get scaled by the writing quality (usually negative in EN manga spaces). so you're asking for something really valuable, more valuable than even an upper int artist. "aspiring god writer" means the writer is aiming to create works that stand among the best works in any medium that utilize anime art, it's not just limited to manga.

also it's quicker to sniff out a pseud in art than it is in lit, so hiding your art to this level gives a negative impression that's going to scare off people.

>>24571477 (OP)
I am assembling a team for my light novel. It'll be ME, an upper int writer serious about making literature, and YOU, an aspiring god artist who can craft compelling character designs and compositions.
Hit me up, if interested: begartists (at) cock (dot) li

>>24571477 (OP)
I'm chose to believe that you are real. I like the art you posted in /ic/, I'll send an email with concepts in the morning. I'd love to create something great.

>>24571886
That sounds quite self-masturbatory ngl.
The number of writers versus artists who can actually draw comics are disproportionate, making most of your claims already fall apart. Comics is like cinematography, you can totally make do with minimal word count as you rely on the medium, granted you you keep the basics of writing in check. It's also way more labor.
Just as you say, it's way easier to sniff out bullshit art than writing, so it only makes sense the burden of proof is on the writer. Imagine starting a multi-month or multi-year long project drawing out pages upon pages, only to find out the writing is shit.

That's not to say I don't respect both crafts equally, howver as I am the artist who's seeking a writer so openly like this, I stand out to lose the most by being a pseud, while writers are only being requested to send a simple mail to show their interest so we can do a tit for tat exchange.

That said, the reason I haven't been keen on openly posting my work is as I stated here >>>/ic/7658242

If you're not even passionate or have enough belief in yourself to seek out a potential opportunity landing right in your lap at no cost no less, then, I'm sorry to say, but, ngmi

>>24571900
No blackjack and hookers?

>>24571477 (OP)
By definition you're attempting to make a comic in the style of a manga, as you are almost certainly not Japanese.

>>24571997
>Comics is like cinematography, you can totally make do with minimal word count as you rely on the medium, granted you you keep the basics of writing in check.
>I stand out to lose the most by being a pseud,
you have already lost any credibility or chance to convince an "aspiring god writer" by your blatant disrespect towards the craft of both art and writing. just say you're making a beginner tier school project for your local jump magazine, people would respect that more. for a serious writer, there's no reason to dedicate the precious time devoted towards building skills to something that already sets itself up to be nothing spectacular from a writing perspective.

>it's way easier to sniff out bullshit art than writing
thus the artist trying so hard to dodge any requests to post his full ability in the arts indicates he's hiding something or isn't confident in the art to stand on its own. as if the artist is the superior party who is going to check the writer and grade him like in school while not even being skilled in his own craft, let alone in writing.
but either way, you wouldn't be able to tell a pseud writer apart from a non-pseud given your previous statements, it doesn't seem you read anything other than ai manga translations and have a pretty low bar for writing quality, some based /g/bro with a nice model is going to be the lucky winner of your offer.

>>24572105
the guy said in /ic/ that he draws in a style that's a
>blend between semi-realism and moe
so yeah it would be a comic, at best inspired by manga but not manga. even a quick look at the unfinished sketch he posted shows it's not a real japanese style.

This is cool. I don't really have anything to add but to show my support for /lit/ motion.

Considering making comics will have you draw potentially thousands of panels at a very hectic pace, for months and years, you really should be able to show at least some finished artwork samples, and not only the roughest of sketches.

The real hurdle that amateurs fail to consider isn't drawing one good character, but being able to maintain consistent level of quality all the way to the conclusion. If it takes you days to scratch out one page, it's really not going anywhere

>>24572222
This. OP hasn't shown that he can succesfully manage a project of that scale.

>>24572152
NTA but I'm not sure why you thought this would be a good rebuttal

>>24572222
Is he working for shounen jump?

>>24572280
how is it not? it shows that his skill level is too low to demand an aspiring high skilled writer. a high skilled writer can feasibly work in any medium, he can only work in "upper int" manga and even admits manga (or comics in his case) can get away with lower skilled writing. so his inability to provide that basic level of writing for his own comic shows he is in a weaker position. also not being able to do basic writing means he can't accurately judge higher skilled writing, thus making the gatekeeping process pointless. companies can gatekeep with applications because they have experienced staff reviewing the submitted work and a known level of general quality. but in this case he's not even showing his art openly so writers can decide beforehand if it's worth it.

disrespect or at least a dismissive attitude towards the craft or posters here is clear too.

>>24572284
Are you suggesting only weekly series take effort? Believe me, just producing a 10-chapter short story will easily eat up a year of your life, even if you did a full 8-hour work day every day (you won't).

>>24572300
>disrespect or at least a dismissive attitude towards the craft or posters here is clear too.
for a good reason when these are the kinds of responses he's getting
have you ever tried drawing a comic? that shit is time-consuming as hell even without having to think about the story
most of your rebuttal sounds like a big fat of cope to me

>>24572314
see
>>24572300

i messed up
I meant
>>24572300
see
>>24572307

>>24572314
he's getting them because he thinks it's above him to openly post his art, literally the only reason he is getting challenged.
has he ever tried writing a novel? do you have to draw a comic to recognize and respect the amount of skill and effort that goes into it? why can the same respect not be given to writing if you come to a lit board seeking writers? this would be a valid point if a writer went to an art board and unironically made >>24571900 tier posts.
cope about what?

>>24572307
nothing indicates OP is capable of delivering that so far.

Yeah, the problem with collaborative projects is that people are fundamentally lazy and weak-willed and can't follow through without the carrot of money and the threat of a contract breach dangled constantly in front of them. It would suck to get started with something nice only for your bro to ghost you because they're just not feeling like it anymore

>>24572314
>that shit is time-consuming as hell even without having to think about the story
also this only further proves the point of him being the weaker side in the trade. he needs the writer for his manga skills to shine, the writer does not need the manga.

>>24571477 (OP)
Interesting. A few initial thoughts:

— You are going to get a lot of people competing for your attention.

— The world is full of people who think they can write stories but know they can't draw. (I'm one of them.)

— People who can genuinely write are much rarer of course.

— It's fine that the writers should compete for YOU. I guess this means, everyone sends story ideas / scenes / etc and you decide which one fits your art style / grabs your attention the best?

— The thing is, what if we (the writers) can write (or have written) in several different styles? Should we just send lots of stuff? Any general parameters would be useful (grim / wacky / extremely innovative / not too innovative / suitable for children / definitely not suitable for children / etc).


>>24571863
>>>/ic/7658344
Can you draw this well?

>>24571477 (OP)
Illustrators are the weakest link in collaborative projects. They're always the first to give up and get replaced.

>>24572336
>Illustrators are the weakest link in collaborative projects. They're always the first to give up and get replaced.

>>24572336
That's because they're the ones doing the work.

The infantry are the weakest link in military campaigns. They're always the ones who get tired, ill, wounded, dead. The general back at base is always raring to go!

I've been translating mangoes for over a decade, and if there's one thing that's been consistent throughout this time, it's that good translators (such as myself) are exceedingly rarer than any of the other roles, namely redrawers and letterers (drawing a tangent here but you're going to need a talented letterer/typesetter too if you want to make a manga worth anything). But of these three, the heaviest workload is easily redrawing. So while it's true that translators are rare and thus feel like they're of much higher value than the rest of the team, redrawers do far more work and good redrawing can often make or break a scanlated work when beheld by a keen eye.

>>24572355
I've been reading scanlations for over two decades, and if there's one thing that's been consistent throughout this time, it's that there are no good translators, and I don't give a fuck about redraws.

>>24572331
please pull your head out of your ass.
in a collaborative project like this, the artist needs to put in 10x more time and labour than the writer before a final product is materialized, if you have even an ounce of respect for people's time then stop spewing these inane takes

>>24572373
>the artist needs to put in 10x more time and labour than the writer
Indeed, which is why the artist also has more to prove if he wants people to believe in him. Anyone can tell you they will move mountains, but it takes a real Hercules to walk the walk.

>>24572380
who's taking the biggest gamble, the artist who needs to sacrifice more of their time, or the writer who only needs to dip in once a week?

>>24572342
I'd imagine the writing turning to shit or a slog to get through could also be one of the main causes

>>24572402
No. All of my collaborative projects ended when the illustrator just gave up or ghosted everyone.

>>24572417
>All of my collaborative projects ended when the illustrator just gave up
>All
Anon, I...

There's one common factor in those projects. I wonder what.

>>24572393
>the writer who only needs to dip in once a week?
lol. Then write everything yourself if it's so easy

How many boards did you post this on?

>>24571477 (OP)
Can we sample your art?

>>24572425
There is more than one common factor.
Another is that comics are more work than most people, including artists realize. It's the same with writing but imagine only writing 100 words a day and how long it would take to complete your novel. The realization would dawn on you, eventually that realization would include acknowledging the budget (feeding and sheltering yourself), the low chance of reaping any kind of significant reward for your labor... the idea to give up becomes quite persuasive and is only counter balanced by things like the sunken cost fallacy (which would require the artist realize how much work it will be too late into production).

Now that i'm thinking, this whole bs thread got me
pondering about something : for a complete beginner that has a shit ton of world/story ideas (even audio-visual ones)...
>What would be the best medium to focus on?
>Art (drawing, comics) or writing?
(Movies are obviously out of the question)
I'd personally say it's often writing that cuts the crap and get down to the gist of whatever you want to express. Maybe a pic is worth a thousand of words, but I don't know. Most often than not, your writing won't ever be flattened as "content". If you art is well marketable or "good" enough, it's stuff normies hang in their living room, and posture their taste about. You don't have that with writing or at least not to the same level (i.e. : you collect books and make a poseur library to boast about, but it still means you want to read shit. plus it's paperback books, not plastic figurines or limited edition blurays).

I only skimmed this thread, not reading all that
While the artist certainly does more work, a manga's success relies on story far more than art. There are few people in this world with a brain wired for crafting compelling characters and stories. That's what matters. Plenty of people can draw.
If you want a great manga, you need to sell yourself better. No self-respecting accomplished writer will take this offer based on how you've presented yourself (and it).
t. fulltime author

>>24571477 (OP)
Could be a fun project, how do you plan to distribute it? Would it just be a purely online ?

>>24572917
Exactly, not OP, but why should the burden be on the artist?
Even with a failed project couldn't the writer quite easily take what's written thus far and pivot it into a different medium, like a novel, ensuring the story at some point sees he light of day. Could the artist do that? Don't think so, or at least not without having to rework huge swatches of pages

>>24573021
>Plenty of people can draw.
There's a difference between being able to draw and being able to draw comics.
See
>>24572917
>>24572307

>>24571477 (OP)
the only hard part about making a manga is the art. why don't you simply write a story yourself?

>>24573299
Okay... I will amend the post.
>There are few people in this world with a brain wired for crafting compelling characters and stories. That's what matters. Plenty of people can draw comics.

>>24572307
this, not to mention the assistants that usually help with these things so they can meet deadlines.

>>24573307
There are zero manga I like that has neither compelling characters or a good story
There are numerous manga and comics I like with godawful art
Maybe I'm biased, but we are on /lit/. The writing matters so much more. Bad writing instantly kills a manga; bad art does not.

>>24573329
just write a story and draw it. it can't be a bad story because you wrote it. why the fuck would you draw the story of some other dude? it's called employment and you can do that much easier and for way more money if you apply to a company or something instead

Shit, just came back to my thread over at /ic/ being deleted, idk why

>>24572222
>have you draw potentially thousands of panels at a very hectic pace

at this point there's no rush but might be a different story if we decide to enter a competition

>>24572300
Looking forward to your project anon

>>24572331
I've seen so many entitled writers like you LOL, I'm all for mutual respect, but you definitely do not exhibit that

>>24572393
>>24572481
I've definitely seen authors who lack respect for art, but both art and writing hinges on good execution. And I'd say the manga artist has the edge in this instance.

1/2

>>24573495

>>24572319
I don't see anything wrong with not wanting to be associated with 4chan. I don't refuse showing more of my work. Send me an email if you're interested and we can exchange works. If I can't even be granted that much benefit of doubt, then I don't want to imagine the weeks where I'll be pestered about progress.

>ever tried writing a novel?
I do in fact have. I took some time off in the past after realizing my writing skills were shit, and decided to focus solely on the writing aspect by studying and whatnot. I went ahead and published a 250k word count web-novel as practice. This was before gpt blew up so no AI tools. I do know the effort that goes into it, but many writers don't realize the opposite, hence the arrogance of so many.
Like lots of anons have mentioned, even disregarding the story, there's a lot of work involved, of which I am so graciously willing to bear, and you guys are still shitposting about this one thing.

2/3

>>24573502

>>24572332
>Can you draw this well?
Not quite, but those are my inspirations. I believe I am almost there in terms of pure technical skill for lots of them, and can even do it depending on how much more time I decide to put into it.

>>24572917
Yup, I know it too well.

>>24573283
Agree

>>24573021
I don't require accomplished writer, just god-aspiring ones. It's meant to be a fun project, with potential to get more out of it (like from entering competitions).

3/4

>>24573529

>>24573307
>why don't you simply write a story yourself?
I did try in the past, though unfortunately, my art style and the art I admire, requires spending more time on it than usual, so I've realized taking care of both myself will never allow me to produce any substantial manga in a reasonable time frame.

>>24573362
It'll be a collaborative story, not just one guy's idea, unless it's really really good.

>>24572685
Only /lit/ and /ic/, but seems like mods nuked my thread over there, sad

4/4

> It's fine that the writers should compete for YOU. I guess this means, everyone sends story ideas / scenes / etc and you decide which one fits your art style / grabs your attention the best?
I'm not judging nor looking for story ideas, those can always be worked out. I'm just looking for someone who has the basics of writing theory down, and knows/can write the ingredients to what makes a story compelling.
You can showcase that however you want.
The god-aspiring bit is obviously a joke, but to match my energy and passion, I would obviously prefer someone who is actively trying to improve and exploring new grounds.
That partly means someone who actually reads. I'm sure you've also seen the sheer amount of "writers" who haven't picked up a book in the last 3 years trying to write. Yes, I don't want those.

> The thing is, what if we (the writers) can write (or have written) in several different styles? Should we just send lots of stuff? Any general parameters would be useful (grim / wacky / extremely innovative / not too innovative / suitable for children / definitely not suitable for children / etc).
See above.
I don't mind most styles and themes. Those can easily be tweaked in collaboration, it's really nothing to worry about.

>>24571870
> It's fine that the writers should compete for YOU. I guess this means, everyone sends story ideas / scenes / etc and you decide which one fits your art style / grabs your attention the best?
I'm not judging nor looking for story ideas, those can always be worked out. I'm just looking for someone who has the basics of writing theory down, and knows/can write the ingredients to what makes a story compelling.
You can showcase that however you want.
The god-aspiring bit is obviously a joke, but to match my energy and passion, I would obviously prefer someone who is actively trying to improve and exploring new grounds.
That partly means someone who actually reads. I'm sure you've also seen the sheer amount of "writers" who haven't picked up a book in the last 3 years trying to write. Yes, I don't want those.

> The thing is, what if we (the writers) can write (or have written) in several different styles? Should we just send lots of stuff? Any general parameters would be useful (grim / wacky / extremely innovative / not too innovative / suitable for children / definitely not suitable for children / etc).
See above.
I don't mind most styles and themes. Those can easily be tweaked in collaboration, it's really nothing to worry about.

>>24573907
>Those can easily be tweaked in collaboration, it's really nothing to worry about.
That is the number one thing to worry about. Nobody is as picky as the guy who says he's okay with anything.

Holy shit, this faggot again?
To all the people on the thread: Do not send anything to this retard
He's a known /ic/ and /lit/ spammer who shits up the board with the same bait about being an illustrator looking for help with a project
You can check the archives, he made a thread very similar to this one with a weird orthodox dog-headed priest as the image
He never EVER post his "work" and the sketches he posted on the now deleted ic thread were stolen from a very obscure Korean nigga from xitter
He's trying to trick people into writing a story for him to stole it (that's why he always mentions competitions)
You can also see him samefagging about refusing to post his drawings on this very thread

>>24574639
The heck are you on about? Lol
Either way, sounds interesting, link to some of his threads

Anons, fuck this guy. Post your own story treatments in this thread and judge each other instead of getting this schmuck to gatekeep. I'll go first:

A guy falls off the roof of his highschool, but survives when he hits the ground. He wakes up in the hospital with no memory of who he is, only that he didn't fall off, he got pushed. He gets back to school and starts trying to get his life back together, but he quickly realises that something is off about this place and the people in it, and he has to get to the heart of the mystery before they get rid of him for good. They're all lab rats being guided by a shadowy organisation beneath the school, but to find out more he and his friends have to explore an entire school below the real one, empty and dark except for the Things that lurk down there.

>>24573495
Did you see my Lonely Space Man Slice of Life Pitch?
the thread got shoah'd before i could check back on it
: (

>>24574953
update on this
the nigger added me on discord and hit me with a textbook AI reply looking to strip mine me for any creativity i got
didn't refer or mention anything from my short synopsis on /ic/
if i didn't know any better this is some gay little AI/llm dev trying to funnel data off of 4chan user base under guise of a grassroots project

>>24575858
Why are there so many insane people on here? Lol
Please see
>>24573907
>I'm just looking for someone who has the basics of writing theory down, and knows/can write the ingredients to what makes a story compelling.

You just posted a vague idea that said nothing so I tried to find out more.

>>24575858
Since you people are hellbent on putting me in a bad light, i'll show what I texted you here.

>>24575941
i wasted braincell talking to this nigger so you lads don't have to

>>24576129
>drunning-kruger retard doesn't even understand the basics of writing
>starts madling and acts underage when things won't go his way
but hey, at least you acknowledged I'm not larping about being an artist

>>24576140
>drunning-kruger
presented without comment lol

>>24576154
>retard keeps retarding
we can do this all day, babe

>>24576163
you could've been clearer that ur a psued demanding ur fav Tuber gave u a perfect screenplay dawg

>>24575941
>>24576129

you're both acting like five years olds posting these screenshots god damn grow up

>>24576217
to be fair he wasted my time least i could do is save others the trouble

>>24576217
I know, but I find it amusing at his expense
Also, it's the only way to defend myself here on 4chan

>>24576254
oh quiet you
for the art skill ur at you're asking for too much
do your homework instead of baiting honest anons on 4chan

>>24576276
I told you I didn't have faith in you, obviously i just sent more WIPs because my finished stuff is out there on the interwebs.
While you couldn't even demonstrate the basics of writing knowledge and started madling instead

even if op got mad art skills which they probably don't this thread made it very apparent that no one should be working with him. thanks for outing yourself. another schizo for my collection :)

>>24576441
Filtered

>>24576459
thank god

>>24576441
Look
>>24575858
>>24576129
>>24576154
This kinda stuff is the reason why I don't wanna lay out my shit on the open here. So many unhinged people.
For all your complaining, I also have to wade through shit to find an honest, passionate and decent writer.
I have enough self-respect and have spent too much time and hard work learning to draw to put up with this shit

>>24576484
meds

>>24575941
>post lazy AI replies
>post obviously AI generated Jewtube slop
100% guaranteed this retard is some jeet trying to steal a story to feed it to an LLM

>>24571477 (OP)
What the hell does upper int means?
>T. ESL