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Previous >>24568396

>What is Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royalroad, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

> Advice for Noobs!
Running your story like the business it is:
https://www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

On writing webserials:
https://alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/

Sanderson's Writing lectures 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY

>>24571968 (OP)
Upping your word count
https://www.sfwa.org/2011/12/14/guest-post-how-i-went-from-writing-2000-words-a-day-to-10000-words-a-day/

Moorcock's Writing Guide
https://interestingliterature.com/2014/11/michael-moorcock-how-to-write-a-novel-in-3-days/

Morning Pages
https://yourcreativedna.com/post/how-to-do-morning-pages

C.O.ITUS

The night hours are for writing trve kino.

Did WE like the last Zenith of Sorcery chapter?

>produce a long list of characters to use in my story with biographies
>use none of them anyway and invent the characters on the fly when writing the scenes because none of the premades fit well
Why do I even bother planning anything? Most of the key plot points aren't in the outline either

>>24572126
Are you me?

>>24572121
Sure , it was ok. But
1. Too little for a 3 week wait
2. Starting with OP mc makes me not care for the battles since I don't know his capabilities. Everything is either an asspull or an "i guess he can do that?". I mean have we ever seen him use an attack in more than one battle?

Same issue I have with Max level Archmage

>>24572126
Congratulations. You are a chad discovery writer. Roll with it.
Hold on to the notes for later works.

>>24572126
>>24572137
>OK! Halfway though writing this potboiler murder mystery slop.
>Wonder how far I wandered off the outline?
>Consult notes. There's an American protagonist, we're in Egypt, there's a murder. Nothing else carried over? Lawl.
>Well, let's check in with the murderer ... who is ... uh ... who?
>Consults notes.
>Fuck. Forgot to write that down.
>Right. HELLO BLANK PAGE! Tell me who. Here we go!
You'll never be Gore Vidal. But, yer in good company.

i have created the most lightweight and perfectly believable slop backstories for both fantasy and sci fi fantasty litrpg. they are FLAWLESS. all i have to do is actually write........

>>24572291
Tell the slopmachine to make you a 30 part outline from the premise.
Then do the actual writing yourself.

I have reached 5,000 views.
What numbers should I aim for with Volume 3?

>>24572306
grats but treating view numbers as your aim seems strange
how are your other metrics?

... it's a bad sign if I can't write well with some programs isn't it?

>>24572306
Congratulations! LLMs have discovered your work as being worth training on.

>>24572326
t.

>>24572326
if FFF-anon poisons the LLMs with shotgunning nonsense terms directly into the reader's face at every opportunity I consider it a win

>>24572324
no it isn't

>>24572321
Not that bad, I guess.

>>24572343
I'm sorry, anon, but these are flop numbers

>>24572324
What does the program matter?

>>24572346
You ought to consider that mine is a niche work, and also I'm doing pretty well on Rising Star.

>this isn't great...
>but have you considered my greatness?

Why is the retard sperging out again?

>>24572349
NOT YOU AGAIN FUCK
Is this whole thread just one faggot's soliloquy?

>>24572353
>Non-standard cover.
>The first three chapters are bricks ofheavy worldbuilding.
I'm just saying that I need something to compare my stats to beyond the most mainstream media.

Being a Rising Star means that the readers who make it through my many filters genuinely enjoy the story

what 60 followers on rr does to a nigga

>>24572361
yes, we've been over this

>>24572374
FFF-Kun owns this general.

>>24572378
he owns the low rating I just accidentally gave him when my finger slipped

Talking about yourself in third person is wo fucking sad

>>24572383
Kekkles

>>24572383
>Rush to see it.
>It’s a 3 and not a 0.5 because my hater secretly loves my series and writing too much to go any lower.

Cute bro.

Why melty

>>24572411
>solid turning to liquid
it's on-brand

>>24572378
nah the closest this general has to a village head is rabbitanon

>>24572435
Who is the old wretched village witch?

>>24572439
comma anon

>>24572435
There is at least one person here in the top 100 rankings, I am not that important

>>24572483
who?

>>24571968 (OP)
It's easy enough to ape the GRRM style. I will write something with universal appeal and then fuck off the rest of my life to write yaoi

>>24572518
you should write yaoi in your aped GRRM style

>>24572535
You should realize your entire life has been a waste

>>24572557
hey what the hell man I'm not the one writing GRRM yaoi

>>24572397
>he checks every time someone mentions bombing his metrics
lol
review bombed btw

>>24572591
>brag about leaving a bad review on my story.
>get mad when I actually read it.
I love that even the special kids might find their happiness in what I write.

Here we go again

leave fff alone if he's not sperging out

>>24572650
>leave fff alone

My laptop is back! My screen is fixed!
I can see! I can write!
I! CAN! SLOP!
Nobody can stop me now!

>>24572500
me why

>>24572435
>solid writing
>well liked
>sincere story told form the heart
I kneel to rabbit anon

>>24572500
One of the people who doesn't want to link their work because of being associated with 4chan, but they did show rank.

>>24572680
Is being associated with 4chan still so bad? Because I'd say that current day twitter has become far worse than 4chan ever was, is or will be.

>>24572692
It scares the normies and if you are wanting to be popular with normies there is a risk someone might cancel you over it or whatever.

>>24572716
Yeah OK but that's the fucking bullshit part about it because fucking every SM site is absolute degenerate shit now, it isn't just relegated to 4 chan anymore.
God I fucking hate normies so much

>>24572716
I dont think you'd be canceled or anything. Its more about the tiny chance my family or associates find out I'm a 4chan regular. Or I suppose publishers, editors, and other professionals. It's a brand risk. not enough that anyone wouldn't work with you I think, but still
readers knowing wouldn't bother me much though

>>24572726
4chan is one of the only sites you're still allowed to be flagrantly racist/sexist/other form of -ist on, it's significantly less tolerable to the random normalfag that's had the rule of no kinkshaming hammered into them

>>24571968 (OP)
>Chapter 1, 55 views
>Chapter 2, 30 views
>Chapter 3, 25 views

projection:
>Chapter 4, 5 views
>Chapter 5, 0 views

>>24572692
I remember when serious 4chan hacks and shenanigans made mainstream news. The most recent outage was barely starting to be recognized in tech oriented publications, after a few days of outage. Mention you post on 4chan, and the most common reaction people have is not: "OMG! YOU ARE THE EVILZ!" The most common reaction is: "What is 4chan?"
Discord has a bigger influence footprint than 4chan.
We're becoming legacy technology, like Usenet. However, the legend is set such that anyone mildly curious will only learn it was "That Shithole" and move on to better things to discover. Still not something you can post on a resume, but the public aren't thinking about 4chan anymore.

>>24572761
Just a month ago, I my average views was 39, now I'm at 170. Don't give up!

>Big author is found out to be in this general
>Rush of posters to find about it
>Unlucky Antagonist enters rising stars because of reader influx
Do you really want this?

>Mr. Slopchad, thank you so much for agreeing to this international press conference in Geneva following troubling reports of your bestselling web novel's early drafts appearing on the infamous anonymous alt-right hacking forum "4chan" thirty-five years ago — ostensibly posted by yourself as the purported author and all but confirmed thanks to a joint operation between Interpol and a number of leading investigative journalists. Care to explain?

>>24572823
>>24517683
>Word for word copy of a three week old post

>>24572753
>still allowed to be flagrantly racist/sexist/other form of -ist on
Don't know about that chief... Even 4chan can get you censored when you're too flagrant. Sure you can say nigger and faggot but that's about the biggest difference between current day 4chan and twitter. I've seen far more sexist and racist stuff on twitter then 4chan.
Besides corporate wokeness is kinda on it's last legs, at the least in its current form. There are so many people, even the more liberally minded who are so fucking fatigued with woke and it's resulting anti-woke grifting, that I think the moralfagging millenials and soulless corporatists who would cancel you will not be able to so in a couple of years or so. Maybe this anon>>24572772 is right when he says that 4chan is becoming a legacy website, were the idea of 4chan has a greater impact then what 4chan actually does now.

>>24572885
>Back in my day I was known as the Internet Hate Machine, niggerfaggot
>fr on god gramps let's get u 2 bed, no cap

ok but what's the benefit to associating with 4chan? im a long term retard myself dont get me wrong, but why would i want a bunch of spergs reading my stuff? im just here to chat

>>24572905
I'll probably just post some screenshots of texts, no chapters or links or anything. If people are going to be autistic and safe them to find my work then so be it.

>>24572823
>posted it again award

>>24572905
i believe everyone should be able to read my story. Unless they're going to deliberately 1* my work to spite me I see no harm in letting people here read it.

Will readers get upset/drop at/my story if I make a character say the word "Nigga" even though I'm not black?

>>24573040
This smells of shitpost, but in any case, ask yourself: what would a redditor do? There's the answer to any "would this upset readers?".

>>24571968 (OP)
So basically here's the plot of the book: In 12,011 A.D., three ambassadorial vessels for the Church in Rome II, the Solari Covenant, the Ecclesium Sanctus, and the Ordo Nox Aeterna, and one Protestant sect, the Stellan Wayfarers, slowly realize they're in the midst of a brewing war between the Star-Sacrum Imperium (basically the resurrected Holy Roman Empire,) and Neo-Byzantium, two empires with claims to being the true successors of Rome. They each race to stop the oncoming war. Meanwhile, in the Star-Sacrum Imperium, the threat of Protestantism is growing..

>>24573149
OK. That's not really a plot, though, is it? That's a setting.

>>24573149
anon is right
there's no plot here

>>24573149
Impressive. Very nice. Now let's see F-Anon's pitch.

>>24573149
why do you think this is a plot?

Anyone has any good Sci-Fi Isekai's on hand? Am currently writing one of those so would love to know what other webnovelists have been doing in the sphere. Bonus points if it includes aliens.

>>24573153
>>24573160
well that's all you get for now. but yeah that's the setting

What's up with the trend of greco-roman-medieval-orthodox-fantasy-schizo-writers in /wng/

>>24573173
what did you expect/want more of?

>>24573149
this is what the ships look like

>>24573182
So why wouldn't your prospective readers just pick up Warhammer 40K? Because this just seems like Warhammer 40K

>>24572692
Consider that in the first (and last day) we had a link of people’s stories in the OP, one of the people ITT (FFF) sperged out, called for a raid against a random who gave him a bad review, accused half the thread of being the one anonymous 0.5 start rating that destroyed his life, and then sent reports to RR mods whining that 4channers were harassing him. Which could easily have led to every person in the rentry getting their stories banned.
It’s not normies you have to worry about, it’s other 4channers

>>24573173
Autism to classical/alt-right/autogynephilia/historical/military pipeline.

>>24573189
I've had a few people make this comparison. Not familiar with WH4K so im not sure. But my setting is essentially, humanity goes to space, the Abrahamic faiths survive, and humanity enters another dark age in space. It's more like Dune meets ASOIAF in space

>>24573190
The funny part is that by doing this he was breaking both 4chan's and RR's rules, so he should be the only one to be banned.

>>24573198
The notion of original ideas is overrated but what you've described seems very derivative (and probably even more so to those in your target audience)

>>24573198
>Not familiar with WH4K so im not sure
Neither am I, but the first thing that came to mind after seeing your post was 40K. I have full confidence in your ability to make a good story but it comes of as derivative of 40K, which considering you have no familiarity with 40K probably isn't the case, but if a on the fringe wiki reader like myself immediately thinks of watered down 40K than that is not good sign.

>>24571968 (OP)
are there any web novels like bakker's?

>>24573190
>>24573219
FAKE NEWS!!!
It's pathetic that you're trying to link me to an obvious troll just to stainmy name and reputation bro.
Also, you stupid anon, you've just given me a reason to post my link again. LOL
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story

>>24573250
You just demonstrated that you have a persecution complex, exactly how that supposed troll complained about the bad review...

>>24573190
So much lies.
RR mod confirmed my version.
I never call for a raid.

COPE

>>24573266
>>24573250
stop samefagging and stop be obsessed with me.
You are pathetic

This is F anon slander

>>24573298
>>24573303
holy shit you really are esl

>>24573314
Libel; it's written

>>24573342
Cope, you've ruined my dinner.

>>24573236
Worm

>>24573342
Isn't being ESL kind of a thing with Web Novels?

>>24573250
what happened to your apologizies to your fellow anons after you discovered the reviewer was a woman. now you completely deny your sins.

it’s all clear to me now. you were never truly sorry. you didn’t care about the ramifications of your melty, nor did you think about what it’d do to the anons who have treated you with nothing but courtesy and even good will despite your multiple years long campaign of ignorance and ‘it’ll be kino bros, trust the plqn’. never before have i seen someone repay kindness with enmity outside of chinkslop, but you somehow did so in that thread with neither consideration for yourself nor others.

you were never sorry for your fellow anons and what your melty would do to them. you were sorry that you had dunked what little reputation and goodwill you had in these threads, that the anons of this thread have touched the oven and learned that it burns. you want the anons in the thread to pretend you’ve never wronged them and for things to return before the moment, but how can such things be? can you immediately forgive the friend who stabs you in the stomach, let alone if said friend shamelessly lies and claims that their evil clone tried to kill you? maybe you can, but that’s not the point.

i don’t even know why i typed this all out, knowing that you’d immediately write it off as ‘cope’ or think it the work of your endless haters and thus say: “i am perfect; i do not need to change”. the image you have cultivated on these threads is as pitiful as it is hateful.

>>24573425
some are but its not like its the majority.

>he’s talking to himself again

>>24573447
This is bait, but again, that post wasn’t made by me.

>>24573447
Holy shit, this place is full of obsessive little freaks. This is not 4chan. This is total madness.
You have no reason to care about me, unless, of course, you are the anon who left 0.5 star. I've written 100,000 words in a month. Don't ever dare to critiqur my story or my skills as a writer, you fucking piece of human shit.

HAVE A LIFE YOU LOOSER

>>24573447
>reviewer was a woman
I kinda agree with your points, but I'll say that I don't think the reviewer was born a woman...
Anyway, it's a shame, really.

Interesting. Someone is pulling FFF’s replies from previous threads and is using them to roleplay

this is obviously gongfarmer anon

>>24573491
Theoretically, gong farmer went into a two week long holiday, but that may just be code for "he took his meds". I'm sure he'll show up soon as FFF is getting uppity again.

>>24572726
I read it as
>every S&M site is degenerate now
and i was like 'what'

>>24573168
Does Cyberpunk count because there's a lot of those

>>24573528
Sure, give me some good Cyberpunk Isekai's. You still get bonus points if they have aliens.

>>24573557
Does it have to be isekai. I'm writing one that isn't.

>>24573616
he's literally me

>>24573557
> Ghost in the City: Cyberpunk Gamer
> Neon Dragons
Both are popular on RR though the latter is inspired by the former. No aliens though. Also the author of ND claims to write "super slow burn" stories, other people would call them glacial paced with tons of exposition.

There's also ShipCore for pure sci-fi, which isn't 100% true isekai / transmigration but close enough to count I guess. There are some aliens later in the story iirc.

Are there any Cyberpunk WNs where the author goes completely /x/ schizo and has actual adrenochrome huffing elites along with a global conspiracy headed by the UN whose characters actively refer to it as the “Great Reset Plan”?

Can I only find such kino in the gookslop scene?

>>24573149
Space HRE? What, will you have a 300-year war, over space Christianity? Also, do the ottomans exist. Sounds interesting, but the religion is making me turn my head. Is there a space jesus too? How do you explain the conceptualization of these entities. Byzantium and Rome are established history. Is it like 40k in the sense that some mad emperor went on a personal crusade to form these neo earth, civilizations based on 1000ad European nations?

Sorry if I sound condescending, generally curious.

>>24573557
Okey dokey
Isekai Sci-Fi/Cyberpunk:
>https://novelhitam.com/series/i-became-the-cute-one-in-the-troubleshooter-squad
>https://novelhitam.com/series/academys-lol-robot-summoner/
>https://novelhitam.com/blog/2025/06/04/i-the-final-boss-of-the-beta-server
>https://novelhitam.com/series/the-genius-of-cloning-in-the-academy-city/
>https://www.wa01.com/novel/pagea/yishoumicheng-pengpai_1022.html (High quality)
>https://novelhitam.com/blog/2025/07/05/fell-into-the-world-of-a-cyberpunk-game
Non isekai:
Rebuild World

Makes me want a non-isekai absurdist Cyberpunk story...

>>24573679
It's not a WH4K Space Opera, it's a religio-political Space Opera. I think it seems original

>>24573504
Too many lolcows spawned after this general was made. Some days I look forward to reading posts here, and it's just the same retards arguing over dumb bullshit

>>24573616
You can always share your story, anon.
>>24573634
Thanks for the rec's.
>no aliens, though
It's so over

Seeing as Isekai + Aliens is apparently a novel concept I'm going to make bank. But that begs a different question. What are good web novels with aliens?
>>24573681
Also thank you for rec's

I've been lurkin for all these threads and have a couple questions, but wish to pay the fee first:

Attached was my rank a few days ago. It's dropped a few points since.
I never hit rising stars. I've just been consistently uploading three times a week.
I just breached 1k followers a month ago.
My conversion rate for follower to patreon is 3%. I blame me waiting until 100+ch before starting patreon, but it's slowly been increasing.
I've been uploading for over a year. It's just plain fantasy/slice of life slop.
My ads have slowly been dropping in %s. Latest was 2.2% with half decent follower count. I run one every two months.
I wish RR had its own monetization system. The reason being is all my patrons basically stop commenting/reading the story on RR after subbing. Not a problem because money>comments but I'm now down to roughly 10 comments a chapter because so many have swapped to patrons. Makes me sad.

Thus my questions...

For anyone who has finished a story (or started a second while first was ongoing) how was your conversion rate? I ran a test not too long ago and uploaded a short story style thing and it got nearly 100 followers within 30 days, and my unique follower count only went up by 25. Would be very interesting in hearing similar attempts and their outcomes.

Other question is just what are your average view on your new chapters the first couple days from upload. I average 250. I think roughly 50 avg views on every chapter are bots personally, would like to know if others feel the same.

>>24573740
i think /wng/ is comfy. There are literally no generals without retards arguing, that's just 4chan. Ignore them and hone in on the posts you care about
>>24573829
>I think roughly 50 avg views on every chapter are bots personally,
I don't think bots are much of a thing on royalroad. there's just a lot of lurkers. most people don't read something and then leave comments—that's really rare. i've left a few comments on stuff in my entire life

>>24573829
First of all, congrats!
I'm far, far, far away from this level, haven't monetized nor plan to, and I think most here haven't, but I'll try to answer the bits that I can.
>My conversion rate for follower to patreon is 3%. I blame me waiting until 100+ch before starting patreon, but it's slowly been increasing.
As far as I heard, that's normal, you can expect between 1-5% patron conversion rate.
>The reason being is all my patrons basically stop commenting/reading the story on RR after subbing. Not a problem because money>comments but I'm now down to roughly 10 comments a chapter because so many have swapped to patrons. Makes me sad.
Do they comment in Patreon? Have you been running a discord channel? Maybe you could use these venues, maybe you could entice more to join by making a "patron only channel" or something, but I wouldn't know as I never patroned a story personally.
>For anyone who has finished a story (or started a second while first was ongoing) how was your conversion rate?
I plan to, will post results once I do.
>Other question is just what are your average view on your new chapters the first couple days from upload. I average 250.
For my short story, I think I got ~20-30 after a few hours? It would double after like 12 hours, but it would fizzle out pretty fast. Not the usual RR author experience as my story was both short, didn't have a good cover and was off-meta, basically worst case type.
>I think roughly 50 avg views on every chapter are bots personally
I would be very sad indeed if that's the case! But ~9 anons did read my story, so that ok.

>>24573886
>hone in on the posts you care about
I care about you and your post, anon.

>>24573829
There were rumors some time back, in certain circles, that internal RoyalRoad monetization was being tested somewhere out of the public eye. Don't take my word for it, take it with a grain of salt. Same thing happened with the mobile app, was a thing in development for years.

I have very flawed information, but I'll try to answer your questions.

1. I started Superflux last year but didn’t bother posting until January. I stuck with it for months. It took me two months to get my first patron; after that, things got easier. I peaked at $50 with around 17 patrons coming and going. I can't give you exact numbers, but I had roughly 250 followers at the time. (I lost patreons, because burn out, it was just too much to handle for a first time author.)

One of my plans for this year, which I've now moved to next year, was to create bait-and-switch novels purely to drive traffic to Superflux. A cost-free but heavily worked ad, so to speak. This got two of my stories into Genre Rising Stars, but I struggled to maintain momentum. A "big" author I won’t name ghosted my shoutout, and I gave up on pushing the second story to RS Main, so I stopped writing it. Still, the experiment paid off. It pushed Superflux a few steps up the RS ladder. I think I crossed the 300–500 page mark around then, and followers started flooding in.

2. I quit recently, but at the time I was getting anywhere from 100 to 300 views depending on the time zone and allotted hours.

My take on weird numbers. I don't think it's bots. It's a combination of lurkers, people who lock the tab in their browsers, and people who keep rereading. People won't always catchup or try to read what you wrote. Your core readers is different than your average readers and your followers.

Dunno if that helped you much. If you're after patreons, definitely try and replicate what goes on in the RS Main catalogue. No history authors dominating the playing field.

If I can ask, do you make use of external sites. I.e. Scribblehub?

>>24573168
Captain of the strongest spaceship.
Oh yeah.
I'm currently reading this.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/125477/300000-miles-beyond-the-stratosphere-enjoying/chapter/2450199/chapter-4-the-armory-and-the-cockpit
Not terrible.

>>24573886
> I don't think bots are much of a thing on royalroad
He isn't talking about fake readers, but webcrawlers and ML models scraping content.

>>24573972
>Captain of the strongest spaceship.
You mean 'I Woke Up Piloting the Strongest Starship, so I Became a Space Mercenary'?

>>24574136
NTA but I remember reading this and dropping it because of how heavily it embraced tropes. He would the whole 'don't say that or it will happen' thing and then 'oh no, it happened!' among many others. Kills my immersion and one of the reasons I find it hard to read japanese LN's.

Anyways, you reminded me another one that fits his criteria. I dropped this one also because of tropes. Japanese authors absolutely love to push the story forward using misunderstandings that are more annoying than comedic for the reader.

https://www.novelupdates.com/series/im-the-evil-lord-of-an-intergalactic-empire/

Japanese webnovel writers really mastered the art of slime erotica. One guy is writing it for almost 12 years. I wish I had such dedication to my craft...

>>24574253
Japs succeed and fail on raw unmitigated slop refinement.

>>24574203
You know not gonna lie seeing all these Isekai's being so trope heavy kind of scares me. I'm writing an Isekai but in the barest of senses that it is some dude that gets teleported to an alien world. Even if you commit to the slop it can still at times demoralize you into thinking that even embracing it will never let to you to truly understanding the slop-pilled depravity of the average web novel or light novel reader.

>>24574253
Who?

>>24574282
https://novel18.syosetu.com/n8383bs/

Mother of Learning is the only web novel I have ever liked and even it felt like it lacked a bit of soul.

>>24571968 (OP)
I wish I was aware of this webnovel stuff/route when I was way more motivated into writing. I wrote like 20k words across 10 chapters for a story and I never posted it anywhere. Granted my writing was awful so maybe it was for better I guess. Just feels like wasted effort since I never did anything with it.

>>24573679
>What, will you have a 300 year war, over space Christianity?
Something like that, yes

>>24574331
mother of learning is like my #7. it's aight

is there even another WN in the same tier as DCC?

>>24574136
Yeah that

>>24574469
whats your favorites

1.2 thousand words. I am emotionally and physically drained. I feel more tired writing than working out at the gym.
Anyone else feels this way?

>>24572905
People have, or quickly get, the impression 4chan's the place where you go all in on stuff that's commonly filtered elsewhere. The problem being they also assume that's all there is to be found here, nothing but. Aside from the death of BBS culture, content creation moved on to other platforms. The artistic glory's gone.
>>24572885
One can gain a smidgen of extra eyeballs for your works. Some creative types are still around and can offer good advise, insight, feedback, etc. /trash/ is the last bastion of what /b/, /tg/, a few others, used to be for creativity. /lit/ stopped being a parody of itself and so we've had a little resurgence in relevance and usefulness.
I don't think there's any advantage to being associated with 4chan. There is some to being associated with a very few boards.

Oh yeah, Black Sun guy. I bitched you out about your /fit/ memes and after doing my research I am convinced you need more bitching out. Greek and roman fitness training, and medieval are pretty well documented. We know entire routines for ancient athletes and soldiers, and for literal monks in the 14th century. Shaking my head even harder now that I know how well documented it was and you got them using barbells and power cages.

>>24573149
>>24573709
Doesn't sound so much like you are doing 40k. What you are doing Dune.
That's not criticism.

Man silent readers really are a thing.

>>24572126
>>24572141
you can outline and still discover in it desu. its literally what its for. the real trap is getting stuck in world/lore building and character backstories that won't be utilized in the actual draft, so long as you use your outline strictly for the story and plot and sprinkles of whatever else, like character actions and dialogue you're golden and you get the best of both worlds. there's a character in my outline I didn't think I was going to do anything with after the few initial characters and decided to use him instead of another named character for most of the story.

>>24574601
How many comments do you get per chapter friend?
Also, did you do ads or review for review?

Thoughts on including a glossary of terms?

>>24574488
dcc is the best litrpg but its not the best serial
I liked apgte much more

>>24574488
>>24574665
also dcc isn't even a serial lmao

>>24574643
>>24574643
About 50 chapters ago it was maybe 1-2 comments every chapter. Its now 0 but my free patron members are at 17 and my paid at 6 (it's 3 dollar for 10 chapters so I'm not making much).

Never did an ad. Never hit rising stars. Only did 1 review swap and that was only because the other person mistakenly thought I was doing one with them, when I gave them a 4/5 for their fiction they kept theirs up for mine but asked me to drop my review on theirs, which I did.

27 of my 28 reviews in that case are authentic no review swaps.

>>24574647
Relatively common and expected with Mil-fics. Otherwise it's usually a sign you are attempting a door-stopper epic without having the chops to write one. (Basically all too many neophyte writers.)
For writers that can pull off an epic, I usually end up reading their glossary last as a sort of dessert.

>>24574667
Congrats. Even though you aren’t getting comments, it’s awesome to see all those views and even paid subscribers. Any tips?

>>24574667
>>24574601
Drop your stuff

>>24574679
I know these stats, they dropped many times, even anounced their new novel here but most don't respond.

>>24574674
My numbers are okay but not successful by any means. I just try to think of it as 'if I was starting the story again right now, but with nearly 600 followers headstart, how would I feel?' -- so I keep that in mind that is kind of what I'm working with every time.

It's taken me 1.4 years to get to this point through slow and steady posting. I don't stick to a schedule beyond wanting to get the next chapter out asap, but that can mean only 1-3 chapters a week.

My main advice would be to write a story you can be endlessly enthusiastic about, based on stuff you're interested in. For me this particular series is an outlet for power fantasy, progression fantasy, and superhero fantasy fiction. So everytime I watch a bad or good superhero movie, I get inspired to carry on with my story. If you think you'll not care about the subject matter / genre of your story in a few months, then I wouldn't suggest doing that.

>>24574679
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/84799/archetype-slowburn-superhero-progression

>>24574687
I think creating the mystery of what the fiction is pigues interest. Just posting it outright seems to just not activate neurons. I'm the same way.

>>24574687
>memorized stories by stats
scary...

>>24574694
Not even the stalker-anon who linked my work! Maybe I am a stalker myself?

>>24574696
I'm not even*
My fucking ESL.

>>24574696
No maybe.

>>24574601
Isn't it obvious?

>>24574601
of course. how many comments do YOU leave when you read?

>>24573681
>https://www.wa01.com/novel/pagea/yishoumicheng-pengpai_1022.html
bro what makes you believe we read chinese or want to read some shitty machine translation?

>>24574515
apgte, worm, the wandering inn, katalepsis, this used to be about dungeons
are the ones i would put above MOL, from what I can remember
if we expand to the general progfantasy space, DCC and Cradle would also go above mol

>>24574665
i really only referring to the quality; the writing, structure, whatever. does apgte still compete? ill try it out

>>24574738
all web serials have clarifiers (and MOL does too) when it comes to me recommending them. mostly about pacing or "only gets good after..."
APGTE book 1 is good but nothing special. by the end of book 3 it was my favorite serial
the sentence level writing in apgte is much better than MOL imo. the dialogue and character work is especially fantastic. MOL bored me because zorian and zack simply weren't interesting characters and I didn't particularly like them. characters are everything to me and apgte has some of my favorite in fiction

APGTE would have been good if it had a male MC. As it is it's LGBTQA+ sloplit.

>>24574738
>>24574744
oh you're the dcc anon.
ignore the stuff about mol
the writing quality of apgte is on par with dcc but dcc has a level of polish, having gone through pro editors, that apgte does not. dcc is very solid but I didn't find it anything special. i'd give it like a 8.5/10. i found lots of aspects of apgte genuinely special, though, it's a 9.5 for me (only thing stopping it from a 10 is pacing problems endemic to the serial format)

>>24574747
the fact the mc is bi is so minor to the story. you are mind poisoned if it affects your enjoyment
i would've respected a complaint about girlbossing, because that's true, but the lgbt stuff? cmon anon get help

>>24574752
I'm mostly memeing. I'm a retard that need to self insert. Wish I wasn't.

>>24574753
just control f all pronouns to he and him so there's no females (gross yuck) at all in the story

>>24574744
>>24574750
cool, actually hyped. thanks for the rec
and i didn't care for MOL either

>>24574753
if you need to insert yourself into a man you are LGBTQ

>>24574758
wtf

Anything black company-esque?

>>24574764
i dont think grimdark works in serial format. i can't think of any popular ones

Someone explain this bullshit
https://graphtreon.com/creator/ArcaneCadence
18k? still trending up? how much is this bitch going to be making a year from now?

Banged out another chapter of Born Under a Black Sun. Five more chapters to go, maybe an epilogue, and book 1 is complete!
>>24574764
Glen Cook is a huge inspiration to me. My slop isn't grimdark, but I did try and get some of that One-Eye/Goblin dynamic. Excited to see a Pitiless Rain is coming out

>>24574786
Had your title on my backlog guess I'm reading it soon, favorite grimdark setting?

>>24574780
how? 50 days? has anyone read this slop? did it pop of on tiktok or something?

>>24574806
its decent, i enjoyed it despite not caring at all for litrpg or isekai

>>24574812
yea, but those numbers are unreal. some sort of faustian deal i tell u hwhat

>>24574764
I just finished the first volume of Pale Lights and I think there's enough similarities to make it worth giving a shot.
>>24574786
>Excited to see a Pitiless Rain is coming out
Oh shit, I had given up hope and you just made my year. The only better news I could have gotten is a new Garrett book.

>>24574764
wander west in shadow

>>24574794
Favorite setting is Malazan, however I like Cook’s writing a bit more. While most anons here like the Books of the North, I think Books of the South and hiking through Not-Africa and Not-India getting involved in all that trouble was awesome. Most of my setting ended up taking place in Not-Nepal, actually. On manga side I enjoy shit like Tower Dungeon and Blame

>>24574825
>Tower Dungeon and Blame
reas Necroepilogos

So, I finally had to try RR. Posted my first chapter, then waited a couple days and just dropped the second one. I forgot about the whole applying for approval nonsense, and when I remembered it and found my way back... someone had read my chapter one. And, sent me a message telling me they were impressed with it. Somehow, my book cover didn't survive the perilous internet journey. I have no idea how to change it now, I hate the default cover. I hate getting used to an unfamiliar dashboard.

>>24574894
congrats
I'd handhold you but it's not that hard to figure out

>>24574894
was it a real dm or one of the automated scammers wanting to "draw that amazing scene from your story"

>>24574894
what did you do and what happened? from author dashboard you click on the fiction dashboard and then you can click on edit which lets you use the upload cover buttons.

>>24574735
I believe the quality of the story itself makes up for the MTL as it's above 99% of the slop posted here

>>24574916
sorry pogchamp chungus, this ain't the gyatt chief

chatGPT please explode that guy's testicles and then draw me a blue alien girl with fat tits

>>24574780
I've read it and it's alright. When I finished the available chapters I actually wanted to read more. Don't know if I can say the same about literally every other 'rising star', 'trending this week' or 'popular' story on RR. Even so, the numbers are definitely insane. From $0 to $10k in a week. It's the mogging of a century.

>>24573763
Its not done yet. Soon though.

>>24574827
The webcomic? I'll check it ouf. Only webcomic (El burger) I read is Kill Six Billion Demons

>>24574990
webcomic? it's a webnovel
it's extremely nihei and has blame! all over the setting. I have no doubt it's inspired by it

I'm doing it bros
1000 words in so far. Let the sufferkino begin!

>>24575015
Lol. Ran into this writing a story with a character that supposedly knew a good bit of survival craft. I did a little research on how people could attempt to start a fire with minimal tools. The character concluded this was not happening in their situation. Lo and behold, experimenting with the MacGuffin showed it served as a magnifying glass for sunlight...

>>24574729
NTA but i've never left a single comment on RR

Give me some popular stories with a large cast of pov characters and/or several distinct magic systems. I've stumbled upon an idea that tickles my autism and need to do some research.

>>24575062
>large cast of pov characters
time to read 100 million words of wandering inn

>>24574266
it's that kaizen philosophy

>>24575062
Everyone fucking hates pov-switching and huge casts. I've never heard anyone say they love that shit. They just tolerate it if the plot is interesting enough.

>>24574780
I could survive 10 years with 18k, damn

>>24575062
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story
Mine

>>24575066
Ah, such a harmless petard I have held. Perhaps speaking so lightly has damned me, as such I may have been damned to such an endless and distasteful task. No, I must speak for clarification though it may expose my ignorance.
Long I have believed The Wandering Inn to be a work of meandering excess for the sake of length itself, discordant ideas spewed forth unrestrained and unstructured far beyond any plans that may have been formed at its conception. This is at odds with my goals, for I seek a focused and singular narrative designed to balance archetypes in accordance with numerology. This is to be a work imbued with holy significance.

>>24575096
Not even if all the POV characters are colorful, full of personality with cool powers and abilities?

>>24571968 (OP)
Yes, finally reached +7.5K words. This means my slop is no longer a short story, but a novelette according to criteria of Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America.

>>24575113
Go back to bed, Pynchon.

>>24575117
No web novel slop can compare to Mori's near-incomprehensible, directionless masterpiece.

>>24574488
Pale Lights

>>24575140
everything about it screams onions

>>24575113
meds

>>24575151
>asexual protagonist
>girlboss protagonist
guess I see it

>>24575151
Don't be a fuck , DCC cover and synopsis scream generic slop but it's anything but.
Pale Lights is on top RR stories for a reason.

>>24575132
You were supposed to post 20k words on day one. The game is lost

"coolest" web novels?
I'm talking the stuff that makes you think "damn that's cool as fuck" with that COOL factor, y'know?
Not shoehorned grimdark or edgelord or pseudo-philosophy or gratuitous violence (even if many people associate those things with "cool"). I know it's all slop at the end of the day but even Bleach has a coolness that other shonen slop doesn't have, for example

>>24575324
I level up alone

>>24575324
>grimdark or edgelord or pseudo-philosophy or gratuitous violence
these things are cool though

>>24575324
>Bleach has a coolness
Please tell me you're literally 12

>>24575328
I think this is one of those cases where the manhwa disproportionately contributed to and elevated the cool factor
the novel itself is average

>>24575334
sorry, the operative word was shoehorned. I agree that those things can be cool

>>24575343
please read my post, cool cat. it's no Vagabond or Kingdom or Sanctuary but compared to most shonen slop, it's cool

>>24575343
Bleacn, JoJo and DBZ are literally the world's top 3 best works of fiction of all time. You've read too much slop so you wouldn't know though

>>24575352
Least based twelve year old

>>24575352
>Bleacn, JoJo and DBZ
You might what to stick to /a/ where you belong.

Is there any general guideline for how long 'books' or 'volumes' should be for a fiction? I'm at 388 pages/100k+ words and dont consider what I would call part 1 to be even halfway done. Meanwhile, I see people splitting volumes up into 20 chapter blocks or less.

>>24575369
Not really, it's author's choice. Just do whatever works for the story and you. One wn I read recently had a 100k work prologue and a 800k volume 1.

>>24575369
the constraints of physical book length don't apply to web serials. even the idea of volumes is arbitrary
think more about how you're pacing and juggling readership dopamine

damn so there are no web novels with COOL FACTOR...?

>>24575324
>>24575380
Have you heard of an up-and-coming ascending meteoric supernova superstar that also happens to be ultra cool by the name of FFF-CLASS UNLUCKY ANTAGONIST
?

>>24575369
There's some general industry standards and guidelines publishers have used. You can look them up yourself. They're worth having a look at for reader expectations of yesteryear.
That said, as per >>24575376

>>24575382
no but it sounds and looks kinda gay desu
not to mention copying all those countless other korean web novels that also have "SSS-Class" or "FFF-Class" in their name
NOT cool!

>>24575382
K-Man slow down...

>>24575419
Not me, by the way.

While I detox from my main novel. I'm writing something for fun the next, can I ask if my blurb sounds interesting?

Perrin is near the edge of loosing it. A loan hangs over his head and his apartment lights are on the verge of being shut off, he scrapes by working overtime as a part-time logistics assistant. The world is governed by an all-encompassing System that emerged after a rogue object carrying an AI crashed into the Earth, bringing with it knowledge of civilizations both risen and fallen. Humanity adopted this alien wisdom to impose global "peace and order" through the System's iron grip.

Much like a god, the System grants special abilities to unique individuals, some born with powers, others chosen. People with strange appearances and supernatural abilities walk among the ordinary, though very few possess true "classes."

Perrin isn't one of the lucky ones. His only benefits depend on his social credit score, which is an unstable thing. Which to his dismay, Perrin has never been a model citizen.

After a robbery leaves him shaken, and worse, recorded and mocked in a viral video. Perrin quits his job and prepares to flee into the wilderness. That's when a System Warden contacts him with an offer that seems too good to be true. "Do anything the System asks", and earn social credit and system benefits for each task, no questions asked. Things go as well as you'd expect.

>>24575429
What's with everyone dumping their wholeass novel in the """blurb"""?

>>24575432
It's a common trait of LN's that WN's have copied. The reader goes into the story knowing exactly what to expect - or maybe it's better to say they get exactly what they are looking for in their slop.

>>24575429
>true "classes."

>>24575343
Compared to most of what /lit/ likes, Bleach does have a cool factor yes.
>But 12 year olds-
Have better since of coolness than /lit/.

>>24575434
>they get exactly what they are looking for in their slop.
OR maybe they got lied to! You're only gonna lose clicks with such incoherent walls of text.

>>24575429
the last paragraph sorta qualifies as a blurb
just weave a small amount of the setting into it

>>24575380
wait until I have a big enough backlog to start posting

how is finding Bleach cool even remotely controversial
this is the slop general

>>24575439
Thank you might be right, too much exposition in the blurb alone

>>24575442
It's the gayest cheese even by shounenshit standards

>>24575453
Have you not seen what Jump has put out in the past 15 years?
Bleach? Gayer than fucking MHA?

>>24575440
You guys have a backlog?

>>24575460
You don't think we're just winging it, do you?

>>24575489
I-i am

>>24575460
66k is the price of admission.

>>24575352
>>24575359
Even /a/ would laught at this fool

>>24575460
>>24575497
>he isn't backlogging with a Slop Workflow©
are you even taking this seriously?

Backloggin' all day
Backloggin' all night
Got a rainy day plan and it's watertight.
If writer's block or cancer comes my way
Can't afford any upload delay
I'll never let my stockpile disappear.
I got a buffer for the rest of the year.

You guys write?

>>24575506
Made into a real song:
https://suno.com/s/IZTn0AElk3ZHoTgh

>>24571968 (OP)
remember if you are writing on royal road you are obligated to make several obnoxious out of place references to beware of chicken or any other minorly financially successful goyslop in desperate hopes of it somehow rubbing off on you

>>24575429
>the System
kill yourself

>>24574904
>what did you do and what happened? from author dashboard you click on the fiction dashboard and then you can click on edit which lets you use the upload cover buttons.
>
okay. my last WN site had a dashboard. This one, I'm going to dashboard, then looking for fiction dashboard, and you describe cover buttons. Thanks. I'll click around until I find it.

>>24575429
>After a robbery leaves him shaken, and worse, recorded and mocked in a viral video. Perrin quits his job and prepares to flee into the wilderness. That's when a System Warden contacts him with an offer that seems too good to be true. "Do anything the System asks", and earn social credit and system benefits for each task, no questions asked. Things go as well as you'd expect.
...so it's a Scribblehub femdom novel right?

I used to think a System with a capital S still referred to magic/power/progression systems but it turns out it means something completely different

191 words to go fuckkkkkkkkkkkk

>>24574903
>was it a real dm or one of the automated scammers wanting to "draw that amazing scene from your story"
>
They basically asked permission to message me with their ideas. I have read on here, how readers will "interact"? I didn't know what to do. So I typed out... sure. I'd love that, I'm looking forward to hearing from you.

>>24575117
Blazblue is unironically one of my story's biggest inspirations

what’s a good technique to build up a backlog as a long term spontaenous writer who has been blessed with the ability to write a prodigious amount of words very quickly and coherently, to the point that for the short time i was writing slop i didn’t have to worry about backlogging at all before i burned out?

>>24575559
In what sense? I've only ever played it at a friend's house but had fun. is there some deep lore?

>>24574903
>was it a real dm or one of the automated scammers wanting to "draw that amazing scene from your story"
>
second message. can we instagram, here's me. I googled the insta-name, and yeah. Same name on threads. I'm a concept artist, accepting commissions. How naive of me, thinking I had my first reader.

>>24575565
>good technique to build up a backlog
what kinda questions is this
just write more than you post over a given period of time
not everything needs to be a heckin' Workflow©

>>24575565
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6yeLNNVa4A&t=15

>>24575132
Think it was a mistake to start releasing a side story with so few chapters of the main story?
Probably too confusing

>>24575559
Same here.
>>24575570
For me? It's the setting, characters, and the concept of being a pseudo-myth/religion theming in a post-apocalyptic future fantasy world.
>is there some deep lore
ohhhhh yes. Batshit even.

>>24575570
Blazblue's story is incredibly kino, it's basically a visual novel that utilizes each of the characters specific routes being "canon" by having a story focused on time travel and alternate dimensions. It's unique in that it actually has a tangible connected plot over its games unlike other fighting games from that era (and even now I guess), interesting worldbuilding, and well developed characters for the most part. There's even comedic in-character lore intermission segments from one of the playable characters that expands on stuff like the magic system, the hierarchical structure of the world government, world history, legendary artifact weapons, etc. It's just that the plot is hard to follow because of aforementioned timeline stuff and that the story was split up over five games across like fifteen years or something, but it's mostly followable if boiled down to its core components in a summary video like https://youtu.be/c37s3BA4i8E . If you like chuunige VNs like FSN or Dies Irae it would be up your alley.

>>24575541
Thanks, anon. Found the additional RR dashboard. Got my cover up. Naturally, all my covers are X by Y pixels, looks about 50 to 100 pxs off. It'll do for now, though. Wish someone would standardize the book cover image sizes across WN platforms. On a side note, that led me to clicking around and I got my avatar up to replace the silly thing they give new users.

Why is cultivation stuff so damn popular? I had never heard of xianxia/wuxia before I started browsing RR

>>24575641
china is a place

Western autors can't write harem without moralfagging, why is that?

>>24575647
Protestantism.

>>24575641
I don't think xianxia is THAT popular outside china

I just finished the Palace of Fates arc of The Wandering Inn. What a pile of shit. Completely pointless, and frankly ruined the whole series for me.
Should have been a 3 chapters long intermission that doesn't affect anything of consequence, instead it's 20+ chapter long clusterfuck that feels completely detached from the rest of the series.
What a mess

>>24575647
Westerners are fundamentally romantics. Due to cultural influences even if they try to not be this way they still believe women could be special and perfect and ideal. This makes it hard for them to not buy into the idea of a soulmate, that one perfect woman who completes them. On the other hand orientals more often see women as objects and so they don't object to collecting them like prizes.

>>24575641
it's formalised progfan without being super crunchy stat-heavy litrpg since characters seem to be tangibly getting stronger with ranks and so on but there aren't stat pages.
there's also the blend of exoticism with predictability

>>24575672
I blame it all on the author's (and probably parts of the reddit/discord fandom) obsession with Mrsha
I've been on her hater camp for a while now but the palace arc just put her on the top spot of worst characters in the whole series
Also I'm convinced the "beta" readers clique in the discord server are the absolute worst people to have any editorial input into the story
Pirate needs a professional editor yesterday

Speaking of, which site for posting absolutely shameless harem sloppa?

>>24575740
Webnovel

>>24575740
Scribble hub
Or webnovel if you're that desperate
RR readers really despise harems for some reason

>>24574903
>>24575557
Fuck, that's some bot thing? I got the same fucking message. I wrote a bland thank you reply first, but got weirded out when he asked again if I wanted to hear his "ideas" and deleted the message. Thought it was some kid who doesn't get attention at home. What exactly is the scam? They should get nothing out of spamming people.

>>24575740
How shameless?

>>24575751
>RR readers really despise harems for some reason
Who wouldn't?

Welp the Redditoids found the place.

So what do you guys think would be a comfortable amount of backlog, both for your own comfort and potential patreon earnings? I know it would depend on a lot of factors such as upload schedule, chapter length and writing speed, but what would be a good average. Currently I'm thinking of going the safe route of about 100.000 words but even then I see other sloppers advertising backlogs of 200.000. thoughts?

>>24575764
are you gonna run an ad or get shoutouts?

>>24575764
if you mean regular backlog and not launch backlog, I only have the next week's chapters prepared. lots of serial authors dont even do that lol

>>24575766
Probably going to run a ad, yes.
>>24575771
>if you mean regular backlog and not launch backlog
What's the difference?

>>24575764
On RR 123,750 words lets you drop 5 pages every day for 3 months.
That gives you ample breathing room especially once you slow down to twice a week after the first month.

>>24575777
launch backlog is the backlog you prepare for the rapid posting schedule you need to do at the start. you tend to burn through it. regular backlog would be what you keep in reserve months later, month to month

if you're running an ad you dont need as crazy as backlog. 100k regular backlog is nuts much less 200k. I just keep 1 week ahead, though would prefer 2 to 3, I just get lazy

>>24575781
Do people really read this much?

>>24575787
>binges worm in 3 weeks
do not underestimate slopsumers

>>24575787
I read the wandering inn 8 hours a day for weeks straight. sloppa enjoyers read crazy amounts

>>24575787
Sloppers are truly an unique audience

>>24575785
Yeah I mean launch backlog in that case. I'm aware I'm probably aiming high with the word amount but I think I would be better prepared to launch my story if I have 1) simply a lot more words so I don't stress write, which can result in gems but most often not and 2) writing a lot is practicing a lot, especially the story in question. You'd be infinitely more familiar with plot, characters, theme, action, etc. if you keep on writing it.

>>24574561
But I used halteres too!
I did go and edit the chapter a bit, to cut back on the inside jokes. Because I have been watching Grand Sumo and reading Baki lately, I might throw in some sort of training like that as well

>>24575764
assuming you aren't going with the tortoise method, you might have a launch schedule to speedrun rising star eligibility and that's already 20k out of the gate, then at least 8-10k for the rest of the week to make the most of your ad spend
At some point, it might also be helpful to think about it more in terms of chapters rather than words since that's technically the "unit" you're dealing in, especially if patreon is a consideration.
ie you have 5-10 advance chapters for the patrons which maybe amounts to an extra 10-20k words.
even after dropping back to a regular schedule of 3 chapters weekly, I would only be confortable with a 50-60k written and edited backlog personally before launching and preferably outlines for later arcs/volumes

>>24575808
ad + 3 weeks of double dailies should be the "guaranteed spot on rs as long as story has any amount of market value"
so 42 chapters for your launch

>>24575814
>double dailies
this is fucking terrifying
my backlog will be obliterated

>>24575817
that's the overkill method.
you can get away with WAY less if the story has legs
minimum id rec though is dailies for 3 weeks, so 21

>>24575810
Sumo in Baki, I mean. I'm not throwing in all the crazy training shit like shadowboxing a giant praying mantis

>>24575814
I know for a fact I don't want to do double dailies, though, even if it's for paltry 3 weeks. The thought of it makes me sick. That's just too much.

>>24575817
>>24575819
post story blurb title and cover and I can estimate how much you need to sweat

>>24575821
the thing is, your launch is everything. rs gives so much traffic its not even funny. spend the time getting a launch backlog vs posting for 3 years to 1/10th the effect

>>24575823
>>24575817
Double daily is fuuuucked but he's right in that it'll definitely work.
Ideally 8-12 hours apart .

>>24575096
>Everyone fucking hates pov-switching and huge casts
"epic fantasy" series are very popular in tradpub right now. and they're all big cast pov-switchy things.

>>24575835
2010 called they want their market analyst back

>>24575835
that's part of the reason I dont read tradpub fantasy much anymore lmao
I hate lots of povs and so do most serial readers

>>24575839
Pale Lights?
Wandering Inn?

>>24575814
what's the significance of 3 weeks? is that the RS time limit before you start naturally falling with no more possibility of climbing anymore or am I misremembering?

>>24575843
there are always exceptions anon...

>>24575844
3 weeks is just a number i chose. it's a good span of time to see if your story is gonna make it or not. you can get onto Rising Stars pretty late, didn't Super Supportive get on there only after hitting Best Rated and, with that boost of traffic, getting onto RS? Lol. but SS is obviously a ridiculous exception
also, 21 days IS how long you can spend on Rising Stars from the moment you hit the list before you start getting a huge negative multiplier forcing you down the list. which was probably what you meant

>>24575843
pale lights isn't that popular and TWI is more like 20 books in 1. It's fairly common for people to skip the POVs people don't like.
the pov swapping is more forgiveable because you usually spend like 50k+ words with each character, if not more, before swapping to someone else. multi-POV pisses me off when it's jumping every 10k words or something

>>24575740
webnovel. you'll make thousands a month as long as you make a good cover and keep the sloppa train going.

>”TFTC, it’s getting interesting!” comment on my new chapter
>give him rep, check out his account
>joined today and his only activity is that single comment, no follows or favorites
Am I witnessing dead internet theory, or is there a chance lurkers without accounts are following along with my slop? I can't imagine the point of a bot that just makes accounts to encourage people, but who knows
Note: if this is one of you, take no offence please! I merely have schizophrenia and trust nothing

>>24575923
>if this is one of you
it was my bot

>>24575923
I was going to say it was a bot, but as they aren't asking for anything, maybe they just like your work?

>>24575923
how soon after joining did it post?

>>24575923
Haven't you ever made an account just to make a comment ????
You niggas are lunatic schizos kek

>>24575931
>joined and last active in the same minute
Immediately
>>24575928
I had scam bots in my DMs, but never have I had one that just TFTC’d me

>>24575936
this is either a bot or your fic is a work of heartstring-wrenching greatness

>>24575835
Thank you for omitting the other relevant lines from my post.

>>24575923
You're posting on a mossad honeypot website, I know for a fact that they direct automated traffic and bot comments to works so that you'd be encouraged to keep posting and bring more ad revenue and spread the gospel.

>>24575906
>pale lights isn't that popular and TWI is more like 20 books in 1. It's fairly common for people to skip the POVs people don't like.
>the pov swapping is more forgiveable because you usually spend like 50k+ words with each character, if not more, before swapping to someone else. multi-POV pisses me off when it's jumping every 10k words or something
>
I decide upon a POV? Up front. With first chapter drafts, just to see what's working best. I'm in love with true first person, but come from a confirmed background of normal novel by omniscient description. I would consider it "advanced technique" to mix POV. I would only do it under limited, special, circumstances.

>>24575947
Should I be worried that my PC might blow up one day?

>>24575647
>Western autors can't write harem without moralfagging, why is that?
>
I incorporate "harem-lite" in a traditional paperback pulp. MC has two girlfriends. They both know about each other.

>>24575951
Not as long as you keep the slop flowing. With your help, they can bomb more children in Gaza. Doing god's work

>>24575672
>Should have been a 3 chapters long intermission that doesn't affect anything of consequence, instead it's 20+ chapter long clusterfuck that feels completely detached from the rest of the series.
>What a mess
Sprawl. Newbie mistake. But all the WN sprawls, gives me hope. My three paperbacks I got out of these characters? Have a trilogy and a "8 volume" of the same characters behind them. 11 books, unseen behind the three I consider keepers. If anyone likes my books, they could delve into the "back stories". Let the reader feel like an insider, getting the sloppa that was what came before the publishable stuff.

>>24575755
>Fuck, that's some bot thing? I got the same fucking message. I wrote a bland thank you reply first, but got weirded out when he asked again if I wanted to hear his "ideas" and deleted the message. Thought it was some kid who doesn't get attention at home. What exactly is the scam? They should get nothing out of spamming people.
Artist. They'll pitch you paid artwork. I looked at mine, anime style. Not a bad artist, just not my thing.

>>24571968 (OP)
>Have been watching gundam for the past 4 months
>Now have a big urge to write a mecha story
Im thinking I might break my laziness

>>24571968 (OP)
What is the lowest possible view count a chapter can get in RR?
Like if your cover is literally blank and the chapter is literal gibberish, will it still get 20 views?

>>24575944
The other two lines were dumb too. The only people truly against pov swapping are first person selfinsert sloppers

>>24575969
Fifty views from data crawlers.

>>24575974
Why would anyone want to train their Language Learning Model on RR stories?
Then again the same fucks are literally crawling Wikipedia instead of obtain data directly from secondary sources

>>24575429

Everytime I see a system apocalypse story I imagine one happening and the MC opening his status to find that he is a 'level 1 dickhead' now.

>>24575685
Beta readers are probably a big problem, don't think that has ever increased the quality of someone's writing.
There's already a dozen different plots ongoing or on the back burner which are then paused for some fanfic tier multiverse garbage,it blows my mind. There's over 50 chapters in this volume and maybe 5 have been Erin chapters. I thought after volume 9 there would be more of a focus on her, adventuring, visiting goblin island, healing her soul, going through grief etc. Instead we get a lot of secrets revealed and major threats eliminated without her even knowing or being part of it at all.
Should just delete every non Erin chapter in volume 10 and try again

>>24576024
not familiar with TWI but readers, especially fans, don't know what they want
this sounds like the web serial equivalent of corporate products/ideas being focus grouped into lowest common denominator mush

>>24575917
>>24575750
Doesn't Webnovel expect 4k giga updates daily?
And really it's not about money.
All I want is attention.
>>24575756
Battle harem + horny pact magic + at least one bisexual couple that wants MC kun to be their first dick


>>24575751
Narehodo

>>24576066
>Doesn't Webnovel expect 4k giga updates daily?
?
no webnovel is the site with the tiny chapters stupid often. i think it's not even that weird for 800-1200 chapters twice daily

>>24576066
>And really it's not about money.
>All I want is attention.
I get what you mean of course, but this does correlate 1:1. If people like your story and talk about it and give it attention, that converts to patrons/paypiggies. The two concepts are fundamentally intertwined (in the web serial space)

>>24576075
Fair enough that.
>>24576073
Huh. I could slop that.

>>24576094
why would you want to?

>>24576066
>one bisexual couple
Yuri is the last thing you want to add to a harem famalam

The first chapter of Volume 3 of FFF-Class: Unlucky Antagonist is out!
In this chapter:

Jacques and Katrina make a bet.
Connor discovers his powers.

Enjoy! https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story/chapter/2460114/masseur-part-one

>>24576273
I read your first chapter way back when, and while that was enought for me, thank you for being an inspiration.
Have you consider multimedia marketing like some short comic or stuff?

>>24576345
>Multimedia Marketing.
Is this anon trying to sell me a webtoon?
Anyway, some fanarts about Astary and Katrina can't hurt, I guess.

>>24576273
Rinaldo is my favourite SSS-Class soccer player

>>24576363
Joke’s on you, back in Maria, Jude’s nickname was Rinaldinho.

This samefagging is so blatantly obvious

>>24576273
It is baffling that your upload schedule has produced such abysmal numbers.

>>24576380
All my chapters have reached 100 views!

>>24576385
To be clear, I'm not insulting you. It is genuinely strange to me that you have posted 110k words of litrpg-with-a-twist (the most popular genre) in 45 days and only recieved a measly 5k veiws in total.
This pleasantly suggests that the volume-over-all meta is perhaps misguided, and that quality is more important.

>>24576353
Yes, here is our previous web novel adaptation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Oq6VproLuM
As you can see the results speak for themselves.

>>24576407
Or the synopsis turns off most people.

>>24576407
>quality is more important
presentation matters more than quality
and "it" factor trumps both

>>24576407
it's not quality so much as whether the work is compelling (which is quality, I suppose?)

also, despite being a "litrpg", it really isn't a litrpg. throwing the tag on there isn't going to magically attract readers if the story concept/core doesn't actually follow litrpg tropes and whatnot. if anything it just annoys people

raw writing quality does matter though. f-anon's prose is really substandard and there's not much making people want to click to the next chapter. there's a lot of really unpopular quirks to his writing that he calls "his style" like the crazy infodumps

quantity matters too though anons. at least for your launch. make sure you have a proper backlog to get onto rs

>>24576427
Holy shit. Wow.
I never read the synopsis before.
I see what you mean.

>>24576407
There are many factors:
>The non-standard cover.
>The heavy info-dump in the early chapters.
>The MC not being the star of the story
It's a slow, yet steady rise. Instead of chasing casual readers, I'm building a solid audience.
For example, between the last chapter and this new one, I gained 1000 views and got into the Mystery Rising Star.

HARD WORK PAYS OFF!

>>24576438
>f-anon's prose is really substandard
That's just cope. My fight scenes are pure kino.

>>24576413
You seem to be proudly advertising the cringiest dogshit I have ever seen.

>>24576413
Cool, can you do a 4-hour video about the economy of the Dark Century and how it shaped Essentia Society to be fit for the modern age?

I'M WINNING!!!

>>24576273
The hustle and bustle of thousands of people within such an acoustically-friendly space made that grandiose hall resemble a crowded stadium during a Miramble match. Yet, the poisoning from the accumulation of CO2 in such close space dulled the senses just enough to make the relentless noise feel almost pleasant.

The enormous ground floor of the Miraval Educational Center mimicked the Trinity Symbol, consisting of three large circular spaces all connected by a central atrium. One of these circles housed an auditorium, but to an uninformed observer, its sheer opulence and scale might have made it seem like the school’s private opera house—one capable of accommodating thousands of attendants.

The entire structure rose three stories high, each level packed with rows of seats upholstered in White Megalodon skin—the topmost floor was reserved for Class D, the middle for Class C, and the ground level for Class B. And at the center of the ground floor—between the half-moon-shaped seating and the stage—the future ruling class of the Holy Rolandish Empire sat upon Dark-Century thrones—Class E at the rear, Class A in the center, and Class S at the front.

The mandatory wearing of the Academy’s uniform—originally intended to eliminate wealth-based discrimination—had long since faded from daily life, enforced only during the most important events, such as today. The uniform consisted of a white blazer, waistcoat, and either trousers or a skirt, all made of expensive Draigùr—Draig wool—and each garment was adorned with golden accents, buttons, and an embroidered Miraval Tree on the tie or neckwear. The white-painted walls, the white seating, the white uniforms, and thousands of heads now flowing over the white background were creating a living mosaic—the paradise and its many angels. However, nine tiles were missing.

Do you see the problem?
you started the first four paragraphs all with “the”.

>>24576469
FFF on the path to becoming the king of /wng/.

”Yaaaaawn!” FFF-Class ’Javelinist’ Jacques Dreux exhaled all the fatigue from a very busy weekend. ”If this ceremony doesn’t start in the next five minutes, I’m gonna fall asleep,” he complained to his fellow classmates.

”You returned very late last night. Did something go wrong with your job?” FF-Class ’Gravedigger’ Derserk Rouge asked while adjusting his round glasses, their crimson red oddly juxtaposing with his pale skin and oily-black hair. You piece of shit! We wasted so much time sabotaging the oven, only for you not to show up! Himself grumbled, his first time at the other side of the conversation.

”Sorry, dude. Me and An…ahem…Jude were out of the city for a commission and…ahem…a sudden complication ruined our plans.” Jacques scratched the back of his neck, whistling as he avoided Derserk’s stare.

>>24576473
That plus the liberal em dash usage should tip you off that he's using AI

>>24576473
Yeah, I cut the description in half. As you can probably tell, there were four separate info-dumps that I forced myself to remove because they didn’t fit with the rest of the chapter.

this general really is the FFF-Class show LMAO fans and haters alike literally cannot stop talking about it
me? i'm a completely indifferent 3rd party neutral observer to these proceedings

>>24576485
AI wouldn't make constant tense bungles and would actually use fewer emdashes

>>24576489
That’s only HALF?

>>24576499
Even less than that. I just enjoy giving reasons on why people do or use something.

i will announce my next chapter release in here and see how many people talk about it.

>>24576499
>>24576489
>>24576473
>>24576505
This is what happens when world-building retards try to actually write a narrative.

>>24576516
Read the rest of the chapter. It has a strong narrative and a solid exchange between characters with different personalities.

>>24575533
I have made references to old school runescape and metal gear solid so far in my story. I don't even do it for some benefit, just love for the game (literally)

>>24575672
The only part of it I enjoyed was seeing flower girl again and Redscar fighting Zeladonis, which was absolute kino. It has been quite a disaster though. I don't want some fucking clone of Moore walking around. MOORE IS DEAD YOU NIGGER. That death MEANS something. Why in the fuck do we need some stupid loophole to devalue the story by bringing in copies of the dead? All of this through a dumbass bug in a skill being abused while the owner isn't even present? I'm going to retcon that entire arc in my head.

my horse game fanfiction has references to westwood studios, for senior citizens to enjoy.

>>24576519
It’s literally a wall of infodump followed by a wall of dialogue that is just monologues between two characters

>>24576539

" . , , . ." Katrina made a dramatic pause. " , . , . . , .

PEAK WRITING.

>>24576543
Fuck, copy and paste didn't work.
In the pic, PEAK WRITING.

>>24576543
i haven't read it yet but are her breasts mentioned at all

>>24575132
Nice, a 5th follower. Think all of five are fellow anons.

Her tastes are implied by the book she was reading in Chapter 16.

>>24576519
What you have written is the equivalent of a dish that is half rice and half congealed chunks of oil shaped like rice (bland elements and odiuous elements mixed together, in case you have trouble following the metaphor for the reasons of probable ESLness or autism). I have taken a bite and decided that I do not want another.
Please genuinely entertain the possibility your writing is bad. Despite the fact of your position as thread punching bag, I am not simply trying to own you or piss in your cereal or drag you down into the crab bucket or whatever. I am telling you sincerely that your story is unpleasant to read, and that it is not worth the effort to excavate whatever hypothetical tasty bits of meat might be at the bottom of the bowl.

>>24576560
Well, anon, I could list plenty of reasons why your arguments are unfair. However, I’ll go with the simplest yet most effective one:

DO YOU HAVE ANY FUN WRITING?
Because I do.

>>24576525
>MOORE IS DEAD YOU NIGGER. That death MEANS something.
Yes, it's especially dumb when GDI seems to be implementing resurrection back in. It's going to be hard to remove that shit from your brain when there's 2 Rags etc running around

>>24576570
i haven't made any arguments, which tells me that you have trouble telling diffenerent anons apart (likely autistic)
and fairness is a silly thing to believe in

and yeah I have tons of fun

I reiterate, I am not trying to epically own you, i just consider it improper not to make an effort to inform you of the quality of your work. Sadly, it doesn't look like you genunely entertained the possibility that your writing is bad

>>24576594
inb4 "Don't worry bro it's kino trust me"

>>24576605
This, and the anon isn’t offering any real advice except---'I could do it better than you.'

>>24576577
And what about the dead gods? They were hurt more in this incident than when our protagonist called upon everyone and planned the fight at the solstice. POF completely undermines that. All because of Mrsha and the King of The Fae, the latter of which I actually respect a bit. He basically flipped the board to spite the gods and it was somehow ridiculously effective. Not sure if you've read past the end of that arc but things have returned back to normal which is insane to me. Your moon just got split in half, you'd think every nation on earth would be alarmed and it would kick off.. I dunno something?

>>24576634
We are in complete agreement. I think it was mentioned in some chapter that no one can see the threads of fate after the solstice but all of a sudden Oberon pulls off a 5d chess move through Mrsha somehow knowing GDI will make stimulated realities real and give them souls so all the dead gods will come running and one of them will turn against them and maybe kill them?
Was that the plot? I skimmed though most chapters after student Rags appeared.
I'm going to be seething about this arc for a while

>>24576495
I genuinely want nothing to do with him, he is obnoxious, annoying, and a self shill. The day his novel is swallowed up by gazillions then, I will suck his dick

>>24576708
Over time, certain authors earned way more positive mileage from /wng/ while shilling their novels way less per thread. Food for thought for future sloppers

>>24576700
I have the memory of a goldfish but I'm pretty sure it was eluded to that he probably didn't know what would happen. He just knew it would go down a path of fate that nobody could explore. Something explosive that may or may not be better than the other futures he'd seen. Though I'm pretty sure Mrsha questioned how much of it he had actually foreseen.

I read the entire thing. There were lots of scenes that were good, made you feel something but when they bled over into changing reality, changing the characters themselves (like giving Fightipilota her class) it became something else entirely. At the time I was certain the story was ruined. Now, I'm not sure.

>>24576779

>>24575117
>>24575559
I loved the English dub. Patrick was a perfect fit for Ragna

>>24575614
>story focused on time travel and alternate dimensions
Ew

>>24575751
>RR readers really despise harems for some reason
Harems are shit for multiple reasons
The common (sense) reason is the same reason cheating is frowned on. Intimacy is like emotional currency, throwing it out to every broad that asks for it infinitely cheapens the value. Romance is only precious when it's between two people because of this vulnerability and intimacy. Romance without connection, harems, are just shallow, base things. They can be hot for smut but that's the extent of their value, masturbation material.
IRL women are one-dimensional animals but I want writers to write depth and complexity into their fictional women. Women that just nod and acquiesce to their man cheating on them aren't characters, they're just tools to make the reader (writer) feel a sense of accomplishment and conquest.
I'm not a terribly big fan of Mushoku but I will admit that even if it's haremslop, it steps above the rest by at least pretending it's not wish-fulfillment through introducing conflict and struggle from the introduction of a harem. Fuck, oldeus time travel was a terrible development, it should have been his story...
Anyways, the reason I personally dislike harems is because it's transparently self-fellating wish fulfillment. Stories with protagonists that have everyone (but one dimensional evil strawmans) tripping over themselves to suck their toes are trash, garbage. The protagonist should have people be neutral towards them or dislike them, they should go through tribulation and have their core as a person tested. Hardship and growth. I can't immerse myself in a story if the protagonist is getting rewarded by the world for every step they take. It feels slimy. If you want to read wish-fulfillment, that's fine, good on you, but don't pretend that it's anything of quality or substance.
I want to read something of quality of substance, so I dislike harems.
Also, they're a plague on the fantasy monster girl genre. Pick one, you fucking bastards.

>>24576533
*tips hat*

>>24576560
Fuck you, rice tastes great

>>24575429
>loosing it
Would never read, if you don't care to read it first yourself. Excusable if ESL.