Thread 24576468

why do some people never grow out of fantasy and science fiction?

Its the other way around. A fantasy enjoyer is higher level thinking person than any armchair intellectual insecure 20th century philosopher cock sucking prick.

>>24576477
You are a manchild

>>24576477
This but unironically. Fantasy, especially the old myths, the pre-modern stories and fairy tales are comfy and fill the soul. It's baked into our DNA for whatever reason. People like OP are faggots who can't enjoy the little things in life. I'm not much of a sci-fi guy, though.

>>24576468 (OP)
>why do some people never conform?
Because you do not have soul or spark of humanity, you are like cardboard cutout but 3d

>>24576509
>goody do shoes idealist calls someone manchild
Life have no meaning, its just is.

>>24576520
Is /lit/ full of blackpilled pajeets now?
Grim

it's absurd to draw an arbitrary line and claim that you're allowed to make up the plot of a book and include a bunch of extremely unlikely events, but you're not allowed to make up the world of the book.

reading the greeks really cemented for me that genre fiction is not only fine, it's particularly well-suited to the kinds of questions I want books to grapple with.

I do think "worldbuilding" and "lore" are traps, but it's still ridiculous to claim that sci-fi and fantasy can't be literary.

>>24576468 (OP)
It's actually people like you who don't "outgrow" their adolescent vanity of being one of the true literati of elite impeccable taste. Those who enjoy fantasy/scifi have a genuine love for reading, without pretensions - because it never got anyone any prestige, only pleasure from a good story.

>>24576468 (OP)
> 'Fairy stories are for kids. I live in the real world.' [...]
> Such a rejection of the entire art of fiction is related to several American characteristics: our Puritanism, our work ethic, our profit-mindedness, and even our sexual mores.
> To read War and Peace or The Lord of the Rings plainly is not 'work' - you do it for pleasure. And if it cannot be justified as 'educational' or 'self improvement', then, in the Puritan value system, it can only be self-indulgence or escapism. For pleasure is not a value, to the Puritan; on the contrary, it is a sin.
In short, because I'm not soulless.

what should I read instead? The internal monologue of some dork who got bullied in school?

You are sick

>>24576468 (OP)
Fucking nitwits can't make heads or tails about this.
My best guess is................it's fine.
Why? Gee, I don't know maybe being fucking disenfranchised by women, the military and the industrial work complex. Would you rather confront homosexual pedophile literature ?

>>24576468 (OP)
Why do some people never grow out of realism?

>>24576468 (OP)
Sci fi can be literary
Fantasy can't
Tolkien is the only fantasy I have read and interacted with I will ever come close to calling literary and it's a self indugent autism trip, in a good way
Comparing modern fantasy to greek myths or homeric tales is the most absurd comparison I have ever seen on this fucking board. As it turns out most of these YA fantasy books aren't made with archetypes in mind over oral traditional and mythical inspiration because they are in fact made by writers on a very tight schedule, little to no prose styling and constant editorial pressures. The fantasy and sci fi novel is a post mass printing capitalist phenomena for entertainment. Taking that historical context out of the picture in this discussion is just idiocy.

The problem is this more recent trend of genre fiction growing to resemble video games/TV shows/DnD campaigns. Very elaborate power systems and world building concepts, but there’s no higher motive to convey anything beyond that. So now you have flat characters running around this world crammed with tiny little details that do nothing to make it feel alive.

Not to mention most people writing genre fiction have read nothing BUT genre fiction. Gene Wolfe read wider literature, and had an unconventional background that allowed him to distinguish himself through his writing. Tolkien channeled his experiences in war to write LOTR: there was a surprising amount of symbolism for what was considered a children’s book at the time. All of these recent genre fiction authors end up sounding the same, because they’re drawing from all the same sources. All flat and uninspired. They’re overly reliant on ideas and concepts, with virtually none of the writing skill to execute them. (Frank Herbert and his 14-15 dune books for example)

>>24576477
Based
>>24576509
Cringe