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Was this just ‘hurr durr bettter not resist or try because errything Predeterminism’ - the book?

Even at the ending he seemed unable to articulate anything, express anything, pass beyond the barrier of self expression. Was that his personal weakness, or just the autism of the early 20th century Anglo habit of self-repression?

Why didn’t he take up the razor and gut Lomax like the pigdog he was? He could have had a better life with K

>>24582507 (OP)
No, it's just depression

>>24582507 (OP)
He's supposed to be pitiful.

His nonchalance about his daughter's growing alcoholism cemented him as no better than anyone else in the novel

>>24582507 (OP)
What makes you think "Predeterminism" is the reasoning for Stoner's actions? I think he's just a meek guy who didn't want to be involved with the affairs of others.

>>24582555
>stoner wasn't a good guy
him abandoning his parents didn't tip you off? you had to wait until his daughter became an alcoholic?

>>24582601
>abandoning his parents
You mean being an adult?

>>24582615
they sent him to college to get an agriculture degree so he could add value to their farm, instead he switched majors to english and ditched them

>>24582507 (OP)
stone? more like chud am i right?

anyway he wasnt all a pushover, just mostly. he was always choosing the wrong thing to do. he did push back against lomax as hard as he could and he fucking lost hard. he kept pushing to marry his cunt wife even though it was clear she was a freak and didnt like him but he just kept on until it happened and against lost because of it. he didnt push for his daughter, and he lost. he pushed back on his parents and decided to change majors and lost. hes just a loser in the literal sense.

lifes a bitch and then you die: the novel

>>24582618
Which is what any parent that has lived a poor life, doing hard work for barely any return value would want.

>>24582507 (OP)
No it's actually "cripples are demon incarnate" the pamplet

>>24582842
>"cripples are demon incarnate"
so true. ugly without, ugly within

>>24582842
Lomax was fucking the boy.

>>24582507 (OP)
>>24582507 (OP)
>hurr durr bettter not resist or try because errything Predeterminism
>OP has the zoomer mindset that the protaganist must be a representation of good or correct morality
Maybe you should check out the new hunger games instead

I actually hated this book until the ending, the protag is a total faggot dweeb. The ending redeemed it for me though. I kind of read it as about on the quiet beauty/dignity of even total fagot dweebs when they die.
If he had a good life or redeemed himself in any way that wouldn't really work. I think it's kind of about that even for total unredeemable faggots there is some weightiness and dignity to a persons life that is not really visible unless you see at in that way.

It's sort of the tragic beauty of a failed life and the dignity of a person despite that? If he did ANYTHING good ever it would kind of undermine that message.
It's like that TNG episode where picard is a loser but instead of showing him fixing his life it instead shows even in that failed life there is that weight and dignity that might maybe inspire you to live a better life?

>>24582895
thinking about this more I think his friend dying in the war was kind of a sign of that earlier on in the book, he was also someone who had an "unlived life" in another way and died. just the sort of tragic beauty in humans failing to live but still having that dignity.

>>24582895
>judges other's lives
>references star trek
dude

>>24582895
>>24582899
most people live lives like stoner you sure judging him a lot what kind of heroic shit u been doin lately?

>>24582902
tng is lit kino watch tapestry if you watch it maybe you'll learn to be less of a faggot
>>24582903
this isn't a matter of heroism it's a matter of just not being a fag, something you will never understand

>>24582555
her body her choice

>>24582507 (OP)
The moral of the story is pretty clear, you need to have regular sex to be a well adjusted human being. His wife didn’t put out so he had to cope around the fact. When he was banging his student he was happy. Seems obvious enough

>>24582895
I didnt't hate it, but the only part I remember is the ending. One of the best death scenes I've ever read.