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old: >>24560109

Yet to be refuted

>>24579850
How do you feel about the theory that Maegor Brightflame was the father of fAegon rather than Illyrio? It would ironically make fAegon both the Blackfyre pretender and a legitimate Targ claimant to the throne. Would technically make him the rightful heir to the throne if you don't acknowledge Daenerys' claim on account of her being a woman. Depends on if Maegor Brightflame being put aside for Aegon V also delegitimizes him. I personally like the idea that he could be seen as both a pretender and a legitimate Targ from a writing perspective, if GRRM wants the ending of the series to sort of blur the lines of the prophecies that have defined a lot of characters motivations then I think that would be the play.

Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR

>Bastard, was the only word written outside the scroll. No Lord Snow or Jon Snow or Lord Commander. Simply Bastard. And the letter was sealed with a smear of hard pink wax.
>"You were right to come at once," Jon said. You were right to be afraid. He cracked the seal, flattened the parchment, and read.
>Your false king is dead, bastard. He and all his host were smashed in seven days of battle. I have his magic sword. Tell his red whore.
>Your false king's friends are dead. Their heads upon the walls of Winterfell. Come see them, bastard. Your false king lied, and so did you. You told the world you burned the King-Beyond-the-Wall. Instead you sent him to Winterfell to steal my bride from me.
>I will have my bride back. If you want Mance Rayder back, come and get him. I have him in a cage for all the north to see, proof of your lies. The cage is cold, but I have made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell.
>I want my bride back. I want the false king's queen. I want his daughter and his red witch. I want his wildling princess. I want his little prince, the wildling babe. And I want my Reek. Send them to me, bastard, and I will not trouble you or your black crows. Keep them from me, and I will cut out your bastard's heart and eat it.
>It was signed, Ramsay Bolton,Trueborn Lord of Winterfell.
>"Snow?" said Tormund Giantsbane. "You look like your father's bloody head just rolled out o' that paper."
>Jon Snow did not answer at once. "Mully, help Clydas back to his chambers. The night is dark, and the paths will be slippery with snow. Satin, go with them." He handed Tormund Giantsbane the letter. "Here, see for yourself."
>The wildling gave the letter a dubious look and handed it right back. "Feels nasty … but Tormund Thunderfist had better things to do than learn to make papers talk at him. They never have any good to say, now do they?"
>"Not often," Jon Snow admitted. Dark wings, dark words. Perhaps there was more truth to those wise old sayings than he'd known. "It was sent by Ramsay Snow. I'll read you what he wrote."
>When he was done, Tormund whistled. "Har. That's buggered, and no mistake. What was that about Mance? Has him in a cage, does he? How, when hundreds saw your red witch burn the man?"
>That was Rattleshirt, Jon almost said. That was sorcery. A glamor, she called it. "Melisandre … look to the skies, she said." He set the letter down. "A raven in a storm. She saw this coming." When you have your answers, send to me.
>"Might be all a skin o' lies." Tormund scratched under his beard. "If I had me a nice goose quill and a pot o' maester's ink, I could write down that me member was long and thick as me arm, wouldn't make it so."
>"He has Lightbringer. He talks of heads upon the walls of Winterfell. He knows about the spearwives and their number." He knows about Mance Rayder. "No. There is truth in there."
>"I won't say you're wrong. What do you mean to do, crow?"

a sansa faegon pairing would be perfect to secure the line of succession considering danaerys barren womb and im not sure if undead people can have children or not. Then once sansa is pregnant faegon can die with no issues. Its perfect.

>>24583048
>Jon flexed the fingers of his sword hand. The Night's Watch takes no part. He closed his fist and opened it again. What you propose is nothing less than treason.
>He thought of Robb, with snowflakes melting in his hair. Kill the boy and let the man be born. He thought of Bran, clambering up a tower wall, agile as a monkey. Of Rickon's breathless laughter.
>Of Sansa, brushing out Lady's coat and singing to herself. You know nothing, Jon Snow. He thought of Arya, her hair as tangled as a bird's nest. I made him a warm cloak from the skins of the six whores who came with him to Winterfell … I want my bride back … I want my bride back … I want my bride back …
>"I think we had best change the plan," Jon Snow said.
>They talked for the best part of two hours.

i hope you guys aren't sleepin' on house farwynd

the show and its consequences have been a disaster for fan art. Especially Arya. What a disaster. A travesty.

>24583048
>24583110

the bot is back

>>24583131
Im a real person who likes this part :(

>>24583145
doesn't mean you have to spam it endlessly

Anyone else hate Jon Snow with a burning passion?

>>24583228
I hate him in the first book. He doesn’t start getting interesting until he meets the Halfhand. He doesn’t become truly interesting until he becomes Lord Commander. It also helps he’s got more fun characters to interact with once he’s LC. If anything I hate Sam with a burning passion.

>>24583228
Nah Jon’s the GOAT. Hate Caitlyn simple as

>>24583360
You can hate both

>>24582865
I've said that myself before but I don't think there's any actual textual evidence to support it. I'm pretty sure Maegor is never even mentioned in the main series so the chance of him mattering to the narrative is effectively 0. Though, "there was a secret female line Blackfyre family that Varys and Illyrio's wife are both descended from" is also a massive fucking reach and most people accept it as gospel, so who knows
Either way I think Young Griff will end up either being the real Aegon, or a literal nobody, or it will never be revealed. Blackfyre fAegon is nowhere near as solid a theory as most people pretend it is

>almost at the point of giving up on ASOIAF
>then remember how awesome Stannis’ northern campaign is going to be in Winds
FUCK YOU GRRM!

I’m tired of him showing up in my newsfeed for everything but the announcement of Winds. Especially with these “woe is me” “um just let me write my slop” posts.

>MUH HECKIN IMMIGRANTS

you just know the dothraki will stay in westeros when it's all said and done

>>24583691
>umm actually Superman is an illegal immigrant, so checkmate
These useful idiots always miss the point that illegal immigration is only such a prominent and contentious issue because it’s happening at a scale where it’s indistinguishable from a veritable invasion, which is changing the cultural and ethnic makeup of entire countries.

Zod from Man of Steel is a much more appropriate metaphor for illegal immigration - he wants to completely erase the native human species and its society altogether, to make room for all his kryptonian settlers. Meanwhile, there’s only one of Superman, and he assimilated to human customs. Does GRRM really think people would be up in arms if there was only one illegal immigrant crossing over to the US, or Italy, everywhere?

This man has written one of the best fantasy series ever, and deserves his laurels, but it’s so clear he’s a naive, idealist boomer in every other regard.

>>24583691
>praises Gunn’s Superman, Murderbot (lol), Andor
Is he… dare I say it… a midwit?

>>24583114
>the show and its consequences have been a disaster for fan art.

Most "art" nowadays is cartoonish scribbles.

>>24583691
> Superman is an illegal immigrant!
> White
> smart
> employed
> assimilated
> pro-America

What does Gurm mean by this?...

>>24583378
I think the lack of textual evidence doesn't really invalidate the theory because there isn't a character that can be tied to fAegon that makes thematic sense. Maybe Lemore is Ashara (don't like that theory) and fAegon is her and either Ned or Brandon's son. But to be clear, I don't buy that. I don't like the Ashara is alive theories in general because they feel cheap.
>Blackfyre fAegon is nowhere near as solid a theory as most people pretend it is
I mean how else do you explain the Golden Company's actions?

>>24583378
>Blackfyre fAegon is nowhere near as solid a theory as most people pretend it is
I think it mostly came into being because people were incredulous that GRRM could spill so much ink writing about the Blackfyres (especially through the D&E novels) without it coming back into the mainline story somehow. Admittedly, if you look at the publication order, it’s interesting how “The Mystery Knight” (all about a secret Blackfyre pretender) was written right before Dance and FAegon’s introduction.

>>24583897
>I mean how else do you explain the Golden Company's actions?
I’m not sure if you can really say this is implied by the books, so call it headcanon if you want, but it seems like the Golden Companion barely has anything still tying them to the Blackfyre cause. It’s been half a century since the death of the last serious pretender, Maelys. They are still a few of the original Blackfyre loyalist houses mucking around (the Peakes, the Stricklands, the Toynes), but by and large, they are outnumbered by: (1) non-Westerosi with presumably little interest in the Blackfyre cause (Black Balaq, Lysono Mar, etc), (2) Targaryen loyalists fled after Robert’s Rebellion (Jon Connington), or (3) simply recent exiles from Westeros (Rolly Duckfield).
I highly doubt the few Blackfyre loyalists in the Company can still invoke the Blackfyre cause to sway which contracts the Company makes.

Not to mention… the Golden Company broke their contract for Dany, not FAegon.

>>24583897
>I mean how else do you explain the Golden Company's actions?
the mainline Blackfyres have been dead since Barristan Selmy was a squire and many of the current soldiers in the Golden Company are Targaryen loyalists who fled from Robert, generic exiles who have no real political vision, or not even Westerosi in the first place. It's pretty plausible that most of the Westerosi exiles just want to Go Home and don't give a fuck whose banner they're doing it under.
Also Illyrio's original plan was for them to help Daenerys anyway

>>24583912
I don't think it's impossible but it does rely way too much on out of context knowledge and circular reasoning for me to put weight on it

>>24583945
>I don't think it's impossible but it does rely way too much on out of context knowledge
I feel like the same could be said about Three-Eyed Crow = Bloodraven (if it was still a theory and hadn’t been confirmed in the books yet). When I first read ASoS, I had no idea who Bloodraven was supposed to be. It comes out of nowhere, unless you’d read these spin-off novellas that most of the fandom never even reads.

>>24583930
>>24583945
Admittedly the Golden Company being degraded to the level of not caring at all about it's original purpose would be in line with GRRM's style. Supposing we take the Blackfyre element out of the picture, do you believe Varys is just power hungry or do you believe his spiel was genuine?

>>24582543 (OP)
Thoros?! Thoros is based!

>>24583131
>>24583176
Shut the fuck up, you don’t get to decide!

>>24583989
I think Varys genuinely believes in whatever his plan is. If he just wanted power, he already had it under Aerys and Robert, and Robert's "son's" before he helped Tyrion escape. I don't know if he's telling the truth about what his plan is, but he's cooking up something that he believes in 110%, and it isn't just an arbitrary power grab

It would be silly for Golden Company to still care about Targaryen-Blackfyre feud in current year anyways

>>24584042
This. According to Conleth Hill, when he started on the show he was told by GRRM something along the lines of his character being "deep down, a good person" (maybe not those exact words, but that's how Hill said it). To me, that means that Varys has a reason for what he does that he believes morally justifies his means. Similar to how Melisandre actually thinks she's saving the world.

>>24584042
>>24584068
I mean if he is a Blackfyre the "good person" bit may very well mean he would have otherwise been a good person but has been driven to vengeance due to the circumstances of his birth (ala Arya). My fanfic headcannon of Varys is that he had a hand in the rebellion but what he really wanted was a kind of circular succession between the nine paramount houses. Rather than just being a Blackfyre on the path of vengeance, he'd be wary of both the Targs and Blackfyre, seeing their conflict as foolish. It would be the only way to end the series without a lot more conflict over the throne after the War for the Dawn imo.

>>24582543 (OP)
the worst thing about GRRM books and discussion is the intentional portrayal of "good and bad". He himself has said in interviews that he writes chars to do "bad" to create story interactions and events, but i dont think human behavior is rooted in "Good and bad" as vague ideas. He does build from motivation, but then labels it, and the readers do, with a moral value, but if thats how the behavior is formulated then whats the point of the description as such.

>>24583691
And people still think that George is going to portray browns coming into Westeros as a bad thing lol.

This makes the virtue signaling redditor seethe.

IT’S OVER

Guess GRRM has nothing better to do but copy strike creators who try to keep his work relevant, even though he won’t write anything.
I didn’t even particularly care about this channel, but it was a nice way to re-experience select chapters.

>>24584600
Is this just some geek doing his personal audiobook?

>>24584582
reddit loves Rhaegar and Lyanna though retard. If you post anything pointing out that it wasn't a hecking wholesome fairy tale romance you get downvoted into oblivion and hounded by women who want Rhaegar to rape them lmao

>>24584609
Pretty much yeah.

>>24584646
Can't believe the fucking idiot just threw out his own files, then.

>>24584612
>reddit loves Rhaegar and Lyanna
Lol no. Go to imaginary westeros and you will see them frothing at the mouth under every art piece depicting the two.

>>24584600
This guy has some annoying cat in the background of all his recordings anyway.

>>24584729
I really liked his readings. A shame. I often find myself busy, having to work for a living and i use audio recordings often. I really liked his voices besides texan bronn being utterly retarded to me and not what i imagine the character to sound like. maybe hes supposed to be from high garden ro somethin i forget.

>>24584600
This isn't GRRM, in these cases it's usually the publisher. I doubt GRRM knows how Youtube copyright strikes work.

>>24584582
>reddit loves Rhaegar and Lyanna though retard.
Imagine calling other people retards while being this wrong. Redditors love to virtue signal by denouncing le problematic relationships.

>>24584738
There's some guy called last seen ahorse on YouTube but he's only done till the beginning of adwd and doesn't post regularly. There's also a Sharon Grunwald lady but it might be ai I dunno.

>>24583691
>And yes, an innocent, of course, he's always been an immigrant
Did he mean to say immigrant twice there?

>>24584738
the Tyrells all sounding like southern planters is canon to me, same with his Stannis

>>24584840
I’ll admit it grew on me, same with Davos. Might still prefer the Liam Cunningham version though.

>>24584840
For the tyrells it makes sense to me, it fits them. Bronn is like a sly cutthroat and i simply can't imagine even an outlaw cowboy sounding guy using the words and structure he speaks with, even if he is from high garden originally.

>>24584827
Most likely, George is becoming more senile.

>Shagga, son of Dolf
>Shagga, Dolf
>Shag Adolf
No but seriously guys what the fuck did George mean by this???

>>24584582
>>24584612
>>24584764
Why do you guys hate Reddit? Why are you people so obsessed with Reddit and it’s population? Hmm? Tell me.

>>24585218
They hate it because they go on there and it's like looking in a mirror.

>>24585222
Makes sense.

>>24585218
lurk 10 moar years

>>24585237
I just want to hear your answers, not gaining answers just by lurking around. Also I have been on 4chan since 2014…

>>24585279
Its a discussion that's been had myriad times, especially around 2014.
>upvotes
>downvotes
>moderation
>culture
>accounts
>history
in each of these lies something to contempt in its influence

>>24583864
He undermined U.S. foreign policy, which is currently an offense that can get you deported now under Trump.

>>24583989
>Admittedly the Golden Company being degraded to the level of not caring at all about it's original purpose would be in line with GRRM's style.

They've been business for 88 years and there are no longer any Blackfyres, (other than fAegon) the entire reason they ended up where they are. If they can get lands and titles supporting a Targaryen, then so be it.

Quel Quicking Qyburn

>>24582546
what about him killing a bunch of people for no reason?

Heheh can’t wait to log to on 4chan’s /lit/ board’s very own /grrm/ general to read all the exciting updates from GRRM about the ASOIAF series.

sulking (about) slinking slint

>>24586515
>no reason

How many good books written by someone pushing 80 have you personally read?

>>24586538
zero

>>24582543 (OP)
It’s over

>>24586616
Source?

The Etos of Pathos

Hightowers are based
The Citadel is based
Faith of the seven is based

>>24587092
TRVKE
death to all slavers and demon worshippers

>>24587092
kek based

>>24587092
>outlive the Gardeners
>outlive the dragon fuckers
>probably going to outlive the Tyrells
Problem?

>>24587148
>probably going to outlive the Tyrells
They will not make it past the first half of Winds.

>>24587092
True. Those who deny it are Jews

the seven are worthless idols with zero magic

>>24587306
you mean the only gods that do anything without blood sacrifice? The Mother personally saved Davos from death after the Blackwater

>>24587306
>as others fled, the Shepherd faced Syrax on his own, calling upon the Seven for succor, until the Warrior himself took form, thirty feet tall, with a black blade made of smoke that turned to steel

When did you realize Westerosi were all retarded?
Me? When I realized you could blow their minds just by making a sandwich.

>old gods
>demand blood and murder to even think about helping you, their "aid" mostly consists of turning you into a demonic tree spirit or warg that will cause even more death and misery
>R'hllor
>wants you to burn innocent children alive for conjuring tricks
>Drowned God
>demands you murder and rape in order to get better at murdering and raping
>the Many Faced God
>gives his power freely, but only to his own priests, and only to help them kill

>the Seven Who Are One
>demand that their followers be good people
>break the chains of the oppressed
>will gladly help wavering sinners see the error of their ways and repent

>>24587441
The drowned god sound like a bro, just wanting you to make it big

>>24587441
The seven do the worst crime of all; misogyny

>>24587441
>the only faith that does not do anything magical in the books
bruh

>old gods: “Let chief Grunga fuck your wife dude, his genes are superior, be grateful to raise his warg spawn”
More like the old cucks

>>24587451
already deboonked I'm afraid

>"We have a cook at the Shadow Tower who was fond of raping septas. He burned a seven-pointed star into his flesh for every one he claimed. His left arm is stars from wrist to elbow, and stars mark his calves as well."

Average faith of the Seven adherer.

>>24587563
yeah, punished for his crimes. Old god or Drowned God worshippers would elect him chief of their village lmao

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Doctrine_of_Exceptionalism
Wow the followers of the seven are so loyal to their tenets

>The Targaryens had converted to the Faith on Dragonstone before Aegon's day, and Aegon always trod lightly with the Faith. Aegon dated the start of his reign from the day the High Septon anointed him at the Starry Sept
The faith conquered Westeros twice

Are there writers who write like George, but aren't just shallow knockoffs?

>>24587306
>>24587451
>Flying nukes
>Global coolings every decade
>Gaslighting by your dreams
>Zombies
How does magic help anyone again? Okay, dragons have probably been net positive but it's still risky as fuck. Total sorcerer death.

>>24587771
Wasn't magic more or less dead in most of the known world for centuries prior to the book events and yet nothing improved significantly?

>>24587261
Fuck you, Adolf.

>>24587872
The annual winter famines are still there and Targaryen dynasty suffered because of all the prophecies.

When did I realize that all 4channers were retarded? By reading posts like these >>24587379

>>24587888
Are winters necessarily due to magic?
>prophecies
Yeah but are they simply predictive or do they function as actual curses?

>>24587892
>Are winters necessarily due to magic?
Yeah, George has said that the reason is magic and not something scientific
>Yeah but are they simply predictive or do they function as actual curses?
It seems that some things are just fated to happen. Like that woman couldn't possibly predict Cersei's future marriage so accurately.

>>24587453
>>24587613
>He impregnated countless women. His followers believed his seed was blessed and could make a barren woman fertile and bestow good fortune. This tale was so widely believed that husbands gifted him their own wives and mothers their daughters, Moon never rejected such an offer. Many of his followers soon adapted the “Cock o’ the Moon” as their sigil, representing their allegiance to Septon Moon.

>>24588176
Maybe the Dornish are actually most normal people in Westeros sexually

I feel sorry for House Blackwood :(

>>24588176
>Garth Greenhand not only brought fertility to the land but also to women, making barren ones fruitful with a touch, even crones who no longer got their moon blood. Maidens ripened in his presence, mothers brought forth twins or even triplets when he blessed them and young girls flowered at his smile. Lords and common men alike offered up their virgin daughters to him wherever he went so their crops may ripen and trees grow heavy with fruit.

I hate you george

>>24588555
real...too real...

Theon thinks Fake Arya won't fool Jon for even a second which would ordinarily be true. But the prologue establishes that when the flesh dies and a warg goes into his wolf, his memory fades more and more with every new day that he spends in there.

>>24588555
>tfw reading the books for the first time now instead of 2011 when everybody did
feels good!

>>24588786
you'll be in the same boat with the rest of us. I thought winds would be here by the time I was all caught up too.

>>24588790
nah but this time it's different trust me bruh

>>24584058
yes, getting landed is all they should care about at this point.

>>24584600
TWOW is soon™

>>24584600
>take someone else's work and try to make money off of it
>get upset when this is not allowed

>>24588904
fag

>>24584600
how much of a soitard you have to be to still be shilling bluesky in 2025

>>24587563
How do you even rape this many septas before getting found out?

>>24584600
It's funny because the first time someone mentioned this guy on the /asoiaf/ thread in /tg/ I immediately asked how he wasn't getting copyright strikes when people can just listen to his audiobook for free on youtube instead of buying the book and someone insisted it was "fair use" and not piracy.

>>24589545
iirc at one point he said it was piracy and he figured the only reason the publisher hadn't done something about it was because he didn't try to monetize his channel or videos

Youtube might be updating its copyright filters to detect unauthorized readings of copyrighted material the way it does with music and video. Unsurprising, with the amount of audiobooks that get just dumped on there.
I'm sorry for the uploaders, but audiobookbay exists anyway and we're maybe a couple years away from being able to generate a good enough audiobook relatively easily by ourselves with AI.

AI, AI. It rhymes with Pie.

The 3EC is TTB.

>>24589925
TTB is stuck in a time loop where he dies to the Others in the cave and he's so hardstuck in this loop he's desperately throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks including causing the Red Wedding, letting his dad get executed by Joffrey, electing Jon to Lord Commander (and then subsequently killing him), Hodoring Hodor so he won't go south and will instead be able to escort him out of the cave, and other heinous shit to his own family.

Man typing that out makes me realize how unhinged theories have gotten since we made it past the 10 year mark of Dance...

Umm....Tywinbros??????

>>24590194
A lot of caricatures are intended to be a certain way, but the characters such written have parallels to real experiences and people, and those that have a better understanding of such a type than the author will often judge his character differently.

Post the pleb filters. I'll begin
>rating Tywin

>>24590371
Brienne, Ironborn and Dorne chapters

>>24588487
American tolkien

Reminder that AFFC fucked the story into oblivion.

This shit is SO ass bruh

>>24590830
Greetings from Kazakhstan

jonsa status?

>>24591045
canonized

>>24591060
in your dreams.

>>24591045
George basically confirmed in his last deleted blogpost that Sansa is for Jaimes cock only.

>>24591111
Quads confirmed it. Jonsa fans in shambles.

>>24590566
Extremely based

>>24590703
>American tolkien

>>24590830
kinose though

>>24591388
I guess it made my dick twitch a little

>>24591388
>19 year old woman fucks 14 year old boy
where's the moral outrage?

>>24590371
What? :/

>>24591388
Who is the Japanese Tolkien?

>>24592212
Tite Kubo

>>24592214
Who is the Jewish Tolkien?

>>24592228
Jesus Christ

before you guys ask, I will be the black Tolkien

>>24592577
Who are you?

Has anyone here read pic related? What are your thoughts on it?

>>24592830
you wont believe me but dalauon sparrow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgkdqE5mPc

we lost

>AI slop thumbnail
do not recommend channel, simple as

I was fucking my gf and I started to imagine that she was my sister and I came really hard

>>24593104
it's sad because that guy is one of the best LotR youtubers and even he fell for the AI meme

>>24593283
Kill
Your
Self
Dragon
Spawn

>>24593283
Love
Your
Self
Onii
Chan

Everyone ITT, bow before your rightful king. Stannis of House Baratheon, First of His Name, King of the Andals and the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm.

>>24593606
Rhllor for the win. All in on the red falcon

Arbor gold or Dornish red?

>>24593655
Poison was a woman's weapon like as not, though a flagon of fine Dornish sour red sat flanked by two stone cups in the bedchamber. "A sellsword is loyal only to his purse, but a Lannister always pays his debts," said the fiery-haired whore as she unlaced his sleeveless leather jerkin, after which he spent himself inside her with three quick thrusts.

>>24583738
Andor is fine tho

>>24593323
>one of the best LotR youtubers
What kind of compliment is this? You're saying his great at wheezing hot air in to a microphone and telling people what to think about stuff? The only good youtuber is a dead one

>>24593030
Nobody has read the AR ever.

>>24593030
It's okay. A lot of 60s nostalgia in it, as you might have gathered from the cover, but it's from the perspective of the 80s looking back with some disillusionment.

any schizo theories on what the rubies represent?

>>24595231
missing seventh = all the faces of the Seven except for the Stranger
Rhaegar is still alive

>>24593855
Much like a cartridge loading gun, poisons make everyone equal.

>>24595263
Unless you're Melisandre.

>poison is a woman’s weapon
Cunning is a woman’s weapon?

>>24595777
a womans weapon is a mans compassion

>>24595782
God damn it, women.

So since Bran can warg into women having sex why won't he use this ability for the good of the realm?

>>24596464
Do you have anything specific in mind?

What killed the hype?

>>24583691
Superman is a refugee. Not an immigrant. Leftists genuinely don't know the difference.

>>24582543 (OP)
Why was Beric chosen by Rhllor and why can he pass it on?
Also how different would things have turned out for Arya if Beric hadn't lost to the Hound?

>>24584738
Roy Dotrice is too good to listen to anyone else.

When (if) TWOW ever releases I'm going to have to resort to AI gen so I can hear it all in his voice.

>>24590194
Glad to see Tywin called out. Can't believe how many of those cringeworthy "tywin the true machiavellian genius" youtube videos are out there.

Before Robert has even sat the Iron throne, Tywin has lost him one of the seven kingdoms, dishonoured their cause, created powerful enemies throughout the world. All of Tywins "solutions" create more problems.

>>24590830
feminist fan fiction where all the men are dumb and evil and the women are innocent lovers.

Why would the fat man trust HBO after they already butchered ASOIAF? Dunk and egg is going to be painful.

>>24597171
Whatever, nerd.
Tywin is a GENIUS
Cersei LOVES her children
Varys serves the REALM

>>24597113
>Roy Dotrice
I stopped listening to him when he turned Dolorous Edd into a Samoan for some reason.

>>24597113
based bryeene enjoyer

>>24597226
haha yeah brian is my favourite character too lol

What the Brienne and Pod chapters could have been if GRRM wasn't a hack

>>24597567
Ser Arthur never died.

>>24564089
Maegor should kill all frogs.

>>24592214
You misspelled Norihiro Yagi, Nobuhiro Nishiwaki and Hiroyuki Takei

>>24597638
idc about those pedos

>>24597639
>pedo
Does anon know he in anime board?

>>24597627
Manderlys were Maegor sympathizers.

>>24597177
it's funny because there feminist attempts to paint Rhaenyra and Alicent in better lights just make them incompetent and indecisive retards rather than make them into the feminist icons they want.

All this out of a fucking story where the moral is "Feudalism is bad" and they forget the part where the royal women need to show that too but do it in a different way by accident.

>>24597855
sorry anon, but feudalism isn't bad because it leads to situations where two retards get to murder thousands of people in a squabble over which one of them is less retarded. Feudalism is bad because it stops women from committing hella fr*cking epic war crimes

>>24596990
Video.

>>24596990
14 years since ADWD might have a little bit to do with it

>>24596990
Women, minorities, gays and leftists

>”Aegon the Conqueror” confirmed to be in development
>showrunner admitted on twitter that George was involved in the writing (despite every promise he’s ever made about not writing other projects besides Winds until it’s out)
I don’t think I could stop myself from wringing George’s neck if I met him out on the street.

>>24584600
Noooooooo
I really liked his Dunk & Egg readings. He had Drunk's voice spot on for my headcanon.
Only ever listened to Roy for the main series tho.

>>24596990
They cast a tranny as Daeron

>>24598388
I don't want the Aegon the Conqueror show to be made because it's going to make Aegon an infertile cuckold to his girlboss sisterwives

>>24598388
who the fuck gives a shit about Aegon's conquest? Why not Robert's rebellion? Why not 9penny kings war?
It will be as shitty as the new house of the dragon show

>>24598414
it's all fucked, just look at Wheel of Time and Rings of Power. Nothing can be written with nuance right now. Maybe in 5-10 years when we flush out all of these writers who want to tell their own stories using other people's IPs, we can see something good come to fruition, but for the time being, we just have to wait it out.

>>24598400
>because it's going to make Aegon an infertile cuckold to his girlboss sisterwives
Who are also mysteriously black for some reason. Aegon has to answer to da sistahood

>>24598509
no, all three of them will be half-black and expose the absurdity of making the velaryons black to yet another level

I'm sick of anything to do with House Targaryen.

the Targaryens are going the same way as the Skywalkers in Star Wars

>>24598530
Lol. When this happens, I hope Jeremy Meeks plays Aegon.

>>24598388
>>24598400
>>24598509
>>24598530
stay mad yt bois

>>24598561
B-but I'm not yt...

hello anons

is Winds getting any closer?

>>24598561
Aegon de Conquera

>>24583048
>>24583110
so what's the consensus? sent by Ramsay? I don't see how Stannis could know all that

>>24598388
>Aegon only conquered Westeros because Bloodraven astrally projected into the past to tell him to
>the catspaw dagger was actually Visenya's personal dagger
>Rhaenys has some sort of gay ass scene where she's lit on fire but doesn't get burned cause dude member Kelly C?

>>24598388
George letting his addiction to the red carpet and interview circuit win. Fat fuck is a hollywood whore through and through.

>>24598530
>Once, in the halls of the Red Keep, Daella had encountered a prince from the Summer Isles in his feathered cloak, and squealed in terror. His black skin had made her take him for a demon.

How did George write so damn well from 96-00 and proceed to fuck it up after? Did his deal with the devil run out? Like how can the guy who wrote storm of swords in two years not be able to crank out another honest sequel? Is the story stolen or just shit and he can’t write anything but prose and character?

>>24598640
he found fame and fortune at the end of his life
D&D single-handedly prevented the completion of the books. If they had just waited 10 years to start the adaptation, we'd only be mad about A Dream of Spring never being released

>>24598431
>these writers who want to tell their own stories using other people's IPs

>>24598414
I have to pretty much agree
It could be good but they'll probably fuck it up
also the other wars would be more interesting, we already know the outcome of Aegon's Conquest, and it does not sound like it was a very difficult one
My only hope is the early parts of the story and the rise of Aegon will add something interesting

>>24599283
>the early parts of the story and the rise of Aegon

The stuff GRRM _didn't_ write about and thus will be written by no-name hack Hollywood screen writers...

the targaryens/dragons are the worst part of the story by far. kind of a shame they're the only thing gurm is still interested in.

>>24598640
He is eternally rewriting. He’s probably written the book ten times over. When he’s happy with both he’ll probably sit on them (kek) until he dies so he doesn’t need to hear the criticism. Perfect is the enemy of good.

>>24590194
Fuck! I still love Tywin though, despite his serious shortcomings…

>>24599711
>marries his cousin
>mad that he got incest twins and a dwarf
Retarded lion.

>>24598388
>"Okay so they butchered ASOIAF, they raped F&B, they're changing dunk and egg...B-b-but this time they'll definitely remain faithful to my books right?"

>>24599194
>replaces Westerling conspiracy with wholesome brown foreign woman

benioff and weiss are such twats

>be george
>visit tolkien's grave
>see all the flowers and love
>think about how you want to leave behind a similar legacy
>double down on producing even more hbo slop instead of finishing your magnum opus

I re-read Call of Cthulu Euron is at least inspired by Old Castro, right.?

>>24600189
he has a defeatist mindset for some reason where he thinks he'd rather spend time saving the shows than finishing the books

>>24599500
The fact that normies are obsessed with them in kind makes me think the Jews are right about the goyim

the targaryens/dragons are the best part of the story by far. kind of lucky they're the only thing gurm is still interested in.

>>24600349
Kill yourself

>>24600189
The guy is incomprehensible. He’s spent the last 14 years trying to make his ending fit into two books (at least that’s the most credible explanation) when he could have just written four books in that time to fit his ending.
Completely defies understanding.

>>24587379
How common paedophilia is in Westeros is retarded because actual medieval people only married at sixteen to twenty

>>24600337
My half-Jewish buddy from back in the police force hated the dragons. So do most Jews I meet on the web.
This makes it doubly funny that the Jewish editor who used to help polish Gurm's books was the one who suggested the giant lizards

>>24593655
Por que no los dos?

Has anyone else ever gotten hard reading Arianne's or Cersei's chapters? Asking for a friend.

>>24601145
The Myrish swamp was definitely one of my more shameful teenage faps.

>>24601069
>actual medieval people
maybe in germany or france, most the world was not the same lel. you can read anectdotes as late as meiji era in japan with 13-14 yo meeting their husband for the first time.

>>24601189
lmao that and Arianne describing her own voluptuous body was goon fuel

>>24601251
Can you post it I need the description for a chatbot.

Is there an agreed upon fanfiction ending/lit ending for GOT? I actually went on fanfiction net and got nostalgia blasted. Some of my first internet experiences were reading Pokemon Smut. Anyway I'd like something more than wheelchair kid throne. Even though that might still be what GRRM builds towards

>>24601670
i think it makes more sense for Bran to be a sorta man behind the curtain sorta thing if bran being king actually does turn out to be true. I read some theory somewhere of Bran ruling from Harrenhal from some sorta weirwood throne, like bloodraven. A new capital would make sense since it seems like its inevitable that kingslanding is going to be blown the fuck up. I can see there being two kings, one an actual king on the throne and then Bran being the spiritual king connected through the trees.

>>24601947
Its going to be a total Dune reference I just know it.

>>24601670
At the rate we're going Preston Jacob's fanfic is going to be the canon ending lol

Daniel Abraham told Alt-Shift-X he knows the true ending to ASOIAF, so I'm sure he'll spill the beans if George dies without publishing it.

>>24601947
This was always my line of thinking, essentially a guiding hand for all future kings. It really depends how fucked everything is after the battle, I remember one person saying Bran becomes king because he’s the only one left. He uses his powers to guide the remnants of humanity or something along those lines

>>24602021
>implying there's not a new ending every time George bothers to think about it

>>24590966
Didn't called you
go back

>>24601239
>story takes place in fantasy medieval Europe

W-w-what about muh hecking anime land??

>>24601069
>actual medieval people only married at sixteen to twenty
Marriages in Westeros before that age are usually for political reasons (which also happened irl).

these threads seemed much faster not 4 weeks ago

>>24602579
Everything about this franchise keeps getting more and more depressing.
>George lashing out at his fans in that blog post, proving he’s just been a spiteful old man at this point and is evidently not close at all to finishing
>HotD season 2 being dogshit (making the weak season 1 retroactively not worth it)
>Dunk & Egg being delayed by a year, so no new content to even discuss for 2025
>HBO moving forward with an “Aegon’s Conquest” show, even though it’s probably the setting that makes the least sense to adapt

You can’t even be delusional anymore about Winds being just around the corner, because George is very transparently doing anything but Winds. You can’t even cope with the shows.
Worst time to be an ASOIAF fan, probably ever.

>>24602454
the story takes place mostly in westeros you fucking mongoloid retard. inspiration is not ground to copy tit for tat. You are also retarded if you thought marriages younger were not common. Even if fucking spain cervantes wrote of a fair maiden to bed (the lady of the fields) who was 14. just fucking kys and never reply again and fuck everyone else with any historical knowledge for not shitting down your throat as well

>>24602579
We're tired boss...

>watch video of asoiaf tuber discussing a character
>spend an hour crying about how the character is big oof yikes problematic not a good look chief before getting into actual discussion
It should be against youtube terms of service to be this raped

>"Captains and kings, lift your cups to the Lords of the Four Shields!" Victarion drank with the rest. There is no wine so sweet as wine taken from a foe. Someone had told him that once. His father, or his brother Balon. One day I shall drink your wine, Crow's Eye, and take from you all that you hold dear. But was there anything Euron held dear?
>"On the morrow we prepare once more to sail," the king was saying. "Fill our casks anew with spring water, take every sack of grain and cask of beef, and as many sheep and goats as we can carry. The wounded who are still hale enough to pull an oar will row. The rest shall remain here, to help hold these isles for their new lords. Torwold and the Red Oarsman will soon be back with more provisions. Our decks will stink of pigs and chickens on the voyage east, but we'll return with dragons."
>"When?" The voice was Lord Rodrik's. "When shall we return, Your Grace? A year? Three years? Five? Your dragons are a world away, and autumn is upon us." The Reader walked forward, sounding all the hazards. "Galleys guard the Redwyne Straits. The Dornish coast is dry and bleak, four hundred leagues of whirlpools, cliffs, and hidden shoals with hardly a safe landing anywhere. Beyond wait the Stepstones, with their storms and their nests of Lysene and Myrish pirates. If a thousand ships set sail, three hundred may reach the far side of the narrow sea . . . and then what? Lys will not welcome us, nor will Volantis. Where will you find fresh water, food? The first storm will scatter us across half the earth."
>A smile played across Euron's blue lips. "I am the storm, my lord. The first storm, and the last. I have taken the Silence on longer voyages than this, and ones far more hazardous. Have you forgotten? I have sailed the Smoking Sea and seen Valyria."
>Every man there knew that the Doom still ruled Valyria. The very sea there boiled and smoked, and the land was overrun with demons. It was said that any sailor who so much as glimpsed the fiery mountains of Valyria rising above the waves would soon die a dreadful death, yet the Crow's Eye had been there, and returned.
>"Have you?" the Reader asked, so softly.
>Euron's blue smile vanished. "Reader," he said into the quiet, "you would do well to keep your nose in your books."

>>24603125
>Euron's blue smile vanished
KWAB

>>24601239
Westeros is explictely based on England during the war of the Roses and it was a major pedo-hating time
Real life is stranger than fiction in that regard

>>24600511
“YOU! Hahahahaha!”

>>24602736
This is what happens when people start assuming that when a character is your favorite, you mean that you self-insert and/or want to become that character.

Jaime's my favorite character in ASOIAF. It doesn't mean I want to fuck my sister or defenestrate kids.

>>24603923
Well said, anon. I don't care if Barristan Selmy is a pedophile, he is based.

>>24603923
well Jaime is my favourite character and I want to do that, what does that make me?

>>24603923
hes my favorite and uhh

>>24603596
based on does not mean the best creative decision is to copy every element. You are correct about the sentiment being different in england thoughbeit.

Preston theory videos are my happy place.

Tickets sold out.

>>24600349
This man does not fuck

>>24603596
Since Dorne is Cornwall they must have really similar cultures

>>24599714
The lion doesn't concern himself with the opinion of 4plebs.

If Aliser Thorne learns Jon is a Targaryen it will be this scene from Code Geass
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DthVDKHw3YQ

Where do you think Jaime's allegiances will lie in Winds and beyond? Does he still care for his house, or is he on about something else? What does Tyrion want after Cersei's demise?

Anyone like George who actually finishes their books?

>>24604565
Jamie dies in next book, his allegiance will only be to the worms.

George Raymond Richard Martin.

>>24604610
Is that really the name he chose or are you just winding me up?

>>24604565
>What does Tyrion want after Cersei's demise?
Casterly Rock, his birthright

>>24604565
>Where do you think Jaime's allegiances will lie in Winds and beyond?
He's doing a complete 180, lady stoneheart will spare Brienne in exchange for him opening the gates to Riverrun so that the brotherhood can massacre everyone there
>Does he still care about his house
Don't think so, he was away for a long time and now is a changed man

>>24603923
based

>>24599022
Literally bullshit, the show talks were already 2008. He already released the shit show that was AFFC, so he was procrastinating a solid decade before the show even started.

Friendly reminder the mercy sample chapter is over 20 years old

>>24604786
you just know

they should make a game like grand theft auto but in westeros that would be dope as hell

I read And Seven Times Never Kill Man the other day and while the concept is very interesting, the witing is just ok desu. How did George improve his prose so much by the 90's?

>>24604871
Nothing withstand the lion
https://youtu.be/p659p8GSPLQ?si=QZvDNdmn9ftmadng

>>24582546
only thing this gets wrong is the word jews
Megger is a clear reference to Emperor Nero with the whole 666 thing and Nero, we now know, was a pretty decent Emperor posthumously slandered by Christians.

>>24604244
stone dornish culture is in fact inspired by welsh. they were the original inhabitants of dorne before the rhoynar who are foreigners, so yeah dorne is cornwall

>>24604244
>>24605261
dorne isn't cornwall
dorne is inspired by, as per GRRM himself - wales, spain and palestine

>>24605382
>be crusader kings autist
>don't remarry when your wife dies and your only viable heir is a fucking midget

I get that Tywin "The Crusader King™" Lannister was supposed to be a living, breathing, walking hypocrite in everything he did, but this one was too far for me.

>>24605382
A lion does not concern himself with the opinions of sheep.
>inb4 I thought you didnt care so why punish petu-
It is a fact. If one can go around doing what they please with his family, they are not a name to be feared.

>>24605396
i dont know the history of roberts rebellion, but really what is a man who just wants something to fight for supposed to do as king. i'm surprised he even took the role considering his personality desu.

ohononononononononoon

>>24605405
these memes are very funny. very glad i came to /lit/ these gurm threads have the energy the dbzGOD threads do

>>24605369
westeros is the british isles with ireland flipped under england and cornwall cut off and stuck to the bottom (which is the top of ireland).
cornish and welsh are like english and scots or like danish and swedish, in terms of relation
so dorme is cornwall

>>24605369
vgh... the dornish intifada...
it was a sarcastic post

So this is what 4chan's been reduced to? Reposting twitter memes made by unfunny man hating whores?

>>24605504
first day here i see

>>24605382
People only like Tywin because they associate him with Charles Dances portrayal

>>24605577
He's too kino

>>24605577
D&D made him more sympathetic because they actually liked him in the books and called him "lawful neutral".
They also thought Renly would make a good king despite every halfway intelligent character who wasn't in love with him thinking otherwise (Cressen, Stannis, Catelyn, Olenna, Tyrion, Jaime), so they obviously had some issues with reading comprehension.

>>24605734
Yes, show Tywin and book Tywin are not the same character

>>24597226
for me, it's the Damfair.

>>24598388
if pic related isn't old Visenya i'm rioting

>>24601052
>He’s spent the last 14 years trying to make his ending fit into two books
>(at least that’s the most credible explanation)
lmao

>>24601052
The actual explanation is that he hasn't written a single sentence in 15 years.

>>24603923
>It doesn't mean I want to fuck my sister or defenestrate kids.
no one is judging, anon. no need to get defensive.

>>24605919
>>24603923
Do you want to fuck your sister AND defenestrate kids?

>>24604565
>Does he still care for his house
yes. he will become Goldenhand; defeating the Dothrakai invasion, the usurper fake Aegon and the pesky invasion of the children of the forest and their new seer king.
he will then assume the Iron Throne by the unanimous vote of the high lords.
Stannis would sadly die stopping the white walkers.
Jaime will marry Shireen to legitimize his rule.
he will also marry Val to incorporate the wildlings into the realm.

>>24605382
>restored the name of house Lannister
>the Realm prospered when he was Hand of the King
>the Realm declined when he stopped being the Hand
>why kill 10 thousand men on the battle field when you can kill a few dozen at dinner and not be blamed for it?
Tywin is the best

>>24605937
He also didn't have enough kids to be able to just quietly have Cersei killed after she had a few kids with the rightful king.

>>24605942
why would he kill Cersei?
pure Lannister offspring are better.
>He also didn't have enough kids
fewer but of a higher quality. Tyrion is Aerys'.

>>24605181
kek this honcho is tower funded

>>24604627
That’s his name, except Richard which he later added to his name.

>>24604900
Kek

>>24605369
Palestine?

>>24605577
I love both versions of Tywin, not just Charles
Dance.

new
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>>24606208
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