Thread 24583349

Édition de la belle langue française

Ancien : >>24562980

/wg/ AUTEURS ET MICRONOUVELLES : https://pastebin.com/ruwQj7xQ
RESSOURCES ET RECOMMANDATIONS : https://pastebin.com/nFxdiQvC

Veuillez limiter vos extraits à un seul poste.
Donnez des conseils autant que vous les recevez au mieux de vos capacités.
Suivez les exercices d'écriture ci-dessous et discutez des œuvres écrites pour de la pratique ; contribuez et vous recevrez.
Si vous n'avez pas effectué une relecture, ne vous attendez pas à être bien traité. Corrigez votre travail pour l’orthographe et la grammaire avant de le publier.
Ignorez et rapportez des trolls.
( Et mettez un interligne double dans vos travails en cours pour des edits si vous les souhaitez. )

Guides simples sur l'écriture :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHdzv1NfZRM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whPnobbck9s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAKcbvioxFk

Le thème du fils : https://youtu.be/jTMSguDFlMI?si=yISbPAUBKjzhru_E

My phone is currently choking on my 80K+ word Google Doc. Works fine on my computer (except for Grammarly, which has been chugging along since before 10K words) and the Word mobile app works even worse so I'm betting it's not the software. The cellular contraption is starting to fall apart even without my chubby manuscript open—keyboard lagging or not opening, randomly crashing after restarts, slowness, etc. So I think it might just be my phone that's so cheap and old they won't even give me the option to trade it in for like a 5 buck discount.
Decided to invest in a new phone today. The thing has almost as many or as many gigs of ram as my computer so my hopes are up that it can let me edit smoothly.
Will report back with results once the shiny new toy gets here.

I found out that University College Dublin offers a 1-year Creative Writing MFA.

Anyone know other colleges that offer 1-year MFA's? I already have a MA in Film Studies, and I'm thinking of getting an MFA but I don't want to spend 3 years getting it.

>>24583275
you can buy a cheap laptop for under $100 on amazon, don't be lazy

>>24583571
how much it cost?

>>24583571
You could spend a year writing creatively at home, learn more, and not pay a dime

>writing general
>written in one of the worst languages in existence

I can't write, it's impossible. I read passages from other authors and I'm like, how do they even think to describe and express things like that? Maybe my verbal IQ is just too low.

>>24583843
you just don't write enough. i thought the same thing until i dedicated myself to practice. it took years but there is a big difference between the writing i did ten years ago vs now. most of these authors weren't just doing it casually, they were professionals of their craft.

>>24583843
Don't compare yourself against others, you'll just end up making glib facsimiles. Focus on being the best you can be, independent of what anyone else is doing. And keep reading.

I'm natively bilingual in French and English but English-dominant. I've been writing in French more lately and I think my French stories come out better than my English ones, mais je ne sais pas s'il y a des francophones ici qui peuvent les lire. Si oui, fais-moi signe, et j'en posterai.

I have 517 pages and need like 200 more to finish the story properly. Am I cooked

>>24584308
je t'aime nathan

>>24584308
Poste-le

>>24584436
It’s TOO LONG. Seriously what’s the synopsis? Genre?

>>24584577
>genre
Hardcore harem erotica
>synopsis
I, the writer, am reincarnated as a fantasy Sultan and spend all day fucking my concubines

https://rentry.co/dessertnv_excerpt

Here's an excerpt from a novel I'm working on. I'm popping addies and just writing. There's a lot more than this, but this is currently the most polished section.
It takes place in Nevada in 1991 in a government black-site called "Dessert" (not "Desert") which has strange links to the nascent internet. It alternates between the story of a pathetic stoner test-subject named Io chasing his lost love Georgia, and a first-person female programmer/manager type giving her own account of Georgia, who's also employed at Dessert, but unreachable to Io.
Io's chapters are called "penetrations," because he gets figuratively "penetrated" a little further every time. The manager's chapters are simply called "chapters," since she's more professional. This excerpt covers two penetrations and two chapters. The style of the two is supposed to contrast heavily.

I'd really like feedback.

>>24584589
This anon is not me
>>24584436
It's a sci-fi story about how a peasant ends up becoming a galactic emperor. There is a time skip.

>>24584636
>It's a sci-fi story about how a peasant ends up becoming a galactic emperor. There is a time skip.
meant for >>24584577

>>24584563
>>24584569
Dac
https://pastebin.com/HJLdtpxc
Critiquez svp

MDR mon anons
ahahahahahaha

daily reminder that AI assessments of your writing are perhaps better to ignore

>>24584664
ca me plait

>Just found out my Dad (God rest his soul) published a novel through Amazon KDP almost a decade ago
>The title is "The Mulatto The Demon And Sex x: Or How A Dartmouth Grad Nearly Came To Rule The Underworld"
>"A true lover of women, Frank Marshall finds that due to associating with an out of favor demon, the women in his life are terrorized by the Incubus, sexual demons. Frank discovers that the only way to protect the women that he cares for is to become a living demon."
Oh, Dad

>>24584901
>His dad is a slopchad
Based

Why does everyone claim their story is some literary fiction with psychological, mythological, and crosses multiple genres. Then they proceed to write genre slop. This times it's Elves in Space.

>>24584901
>Just found out
how?

>>24584977
Rough day at summer camp, little buddy?

>>24584978
I was just a teen when he published it so he didn't share it at the time and I guess the lack of overnight success might've disheartened him from bringing it up later on. Only found out about it because they put a link to it in the funeral pamphlet.

>>24584977
>stuff that crosses multiple genres is genre slop
woah

>>24585062
>they put a link to it in the funeral pamphlet.
Oh dear.

>>24585070
the problem is that it's not! It'll be fine if it really was some character driven mystery thriller, but it's just ELVES IN SPACE!!!!

>>24585204
It sounds too good to be true

>>24585204
I was wondering why it didn't include the book's title until I saw it

>>24585257
Believe it or not

Idea for a movie: "The Matrix, but 4 Real"
Sci-fi Action
"A team of anarchists swiftly assassinates the top 300 most powerful players in world capitalism and annihilates corrupt, organized crime-linked bureaucrats. The aftermath shapes the future of human civilization."

>>24584589
ok this sounds epic and I could see why it would end up around 1000 pages
>>24584636
that’s nice, anon

>>24584636
Why are you pretending to be me to promote your okay wish fulfillment idea?

>>24585599
I will never stop writing it so it'll be multiple thousands of pages within the next decade. Plan on burning it before I'm about to go.

>>24584901
I hope you bought it.

>>24583551
Update: just added about 300 words. Edited a little bit too. It just works.
To anyone with large laggy documents who thinks whatever software is the problem: nope, it's your hardware.

>>24585700
1. I'm not reading my father's erotica.
2. He's dead and I have his passwords. I could just download it without giving Amazon any of my cash.

I have the biggest writers block ever. I can't put together or figure out why a king would betray the emperor to join a queen that wishes to overthrow the emperor without it sounding completely contrived, ridiculous, and half-assed to move the plot forward.

>hurrr i don't like the emperor either!
>i am corrupt too, thus i shall join you
>gib sex plz

Only thing I have is the Queen's friend is also the King's wife. He can be weak-willed and obey his wife's every command though. Doesn't help he's a very minor character and had zero development throughout the story.

>>24585868
You don't have to read it you cheap fuck. Just buy it so there's at least one physical copy roaming the earth you mong.

>>24585930
1. It's only available to buy on kindle.
2. He had copies printed when he first published it.
3. Stop trying to judge me you creep.

>>24585949
NTA but judging you for missing out on an experience that one in billions probably get (likely without intense negative consequence)

>>24585949
Admit you're a cheap fuck that can't even spend $10 for his dead dad. And you're so fucking retarded you have all his passwords, you could easily upload a PDF and get one reprinted. God damn I hope my son never grows up to be such a womanly cunt like you

>>24585956
Reading my dad's erotica is an experience I'm happy to miss out on regardless of its rarity.

>>24585958
It's not happening bro. Hopefully your kid grows out of childish concepts like legacy unlike yourself.

>>24586017
what a shitty person

Short story. 16,000 words. All the ideas have been laid out. No more scenes. No more dialogue. Just refining, refining, and more refining. So many incomplete and imperfect sentences. The words mock me.

How do you push yourself to keep trying to write even though your writing is terrible and you have no soul or life experience and you should kill yourself because nobody could ever like this worthless trash because you’re worthless

>>24586017
Can you post an excerpt and link so somebody here can buy it?

>>24586103
don't be so hard on yourself

Should I be concerned about my readers getting tonal whiplash from part 2 of my novel being an entirely different genre and seemingly a different story with none of the grounded feeling of part 1? There's a really good reason for it all that gets revealed in the late middle of it, but I don't know know my reader can take ~35k words of the book seeming changing on them.


Or perhaps I should care if it does and go full filter mode? I mean Part 1 frequently changes genres already.

>>24586204
Is it something like Cloud Atlas?

>>24586204
Do people like sudden change? No, they don't sir

>>24583349 (OP)
Nonce thread

>>24586124
NTA, but here it is.
https://www.amazon.com/Mulatto-Demon-Sex-Dartmouth-Underworld-ebook/dp/B00Z85C3KM/

>>24586204
From what genre to what genre?

Recommend me a good writing discord I’m tired of the ones filled with groomers especially after my dick pics leaked.

>>24586061
I'm rubber and you're glue

>>24586124
You literally could've just copy/pasted what I posted into your search bar you lazy fuck. Sauce-beggers like yourself are a plague on this site. You're lucky >>24586819 took the time to spoonfeed you.

>>24587145
>good
>discord
Pick 1 or else just search "writing" on Disboard and join the top results. That's what I did. They're never as fun as /wg/.

>>24586103
just do it

>>24586828
A relatively ground dystopia to hard sci-fi. It's a 10000 timeskip backwards.
>>24586373
>>24586308
It's my first and maybe my only major novel. If I'm going to make make one my life, it's going to be the most absurdly bold art possible.

I'll probably just make pure genreslop if there's a next time though.

>>24586204
Oh yes, I think lots of people get upset about diptychs over that. People watch Full Metal Jacket and go, "Hurr durr it's two different movies!"
I'm also making a diptych. Best of luck.

>>24586373
>it's another "anon makes sweeping assumptions about the majority of mankind based on his personal neuroticisms" post

>>24587318
>it's going to be the most absurdly bold art possible
That's the way we kings do it.
I would definitely at least read part of the sample of your book, if not add it to my reading list. Sounds cool and I like your mentality.

>>24586819
>>24587190

Can you post the first page and summary

>>24587359
>and summary
My brother in Allah, it has already been posted.

I figured out Literotica.

Now how do I make it in the non-smut world?

>>24587394
>Literotica
Following the footsteps of the greats

>>24587375
Inshallah somebody will translate it and post it

>>24587437
I would post it but I don't technically own it by myself and I'm not going to ask my family's permission to post it.

>>24587431
>flowery prose
Dropped.

>>24587520
I bet you think prose is just a vehicle for story. Go write a screenplay kiddo

>>24587343
All you need to do is come out of your basement to see it. But that would expect you to seek...change

If my loser protagonist in his late twenties meets a fifteen year old runaway girl with no romantic tension hinted at whatsoever for the purpose of learning about himself from her experience, will it still be perceived as pedo bait?

>>24587846
lol

>>24587846
Honestly? Just make either one of those characters gay and you'll wipe out pedo speculation while soliciting heaps of neoliberal praise

How long after I begin transitioning can I expect my writing to improve?

>>24585604
you are why this is the worst general on this website

I finished rewriting chapter 4 it shouldn’t have taken three weeks to write just 3,200 words I think I should KMS.

>>24584732
AI is horribly pozzed. It tells me all my ideas are "unique" and "brilliant". I feel like I'm being groomed by a sugar daddy.

>>24585592
But that wouldn't change anything. There are plenty of people ready, willing, and able to take their places. This is the same shit the police pull, when they crow about taking down some "kingpin". All that does is start a turf war between rivals that want to take the kingpin's place, which inevitably gets several people killed, including innocent civilians. Do people really? No wonder none of you make it.

>>24586103
Perhaps stop being a NEET, go outside, touch grass, have some real-world experiences, then come back and write about them? Real-life experiences have fueled writing since time immemorial. You have the time to devote to writing, but that's it. What does a NEET like yourself have to write about anyway? A bunch of regurgitated anime plots? Your writing has no soul, and you can only get soul from real-life experiences, not an endless cycle of vidya, fapping, and passing out.

>>24586819
OMG, is the one rating from anon's mom?!

>>24587863
you misspelled "loli"

>>24587846
who cares, just write what you want to write

I'm curious, if anyone understands what I'm asking here, if someone could recommend literature where there are fragments of a real narrative, with each fragment (let's say group of chapters or subplot) being driven primarily by a type of twin peaks style abstract symbolism. Partially wanting recommendations for my own entertainment, and partially to see how it works in practice.

Another way to think about what I'm asking is maybe, the narrative exists in sectioned off pieces, where the reader doesn't get a full scope of what is going on by the end of the book or how things connect together unless considering these oblique symbolic instances. They'd be portrayed in a way that's hard to ignore, each subplot having it's own 'color' of symbolism so to speak.

>>24583685
BASED take. French is fucking insufferable.

>>24588518
You're right.

>>24588565
is the plan to have one or the other physically unattractive, though? idk how you diffuse the sexual tension unless it's outright spoken that maybe the girl is a repulsive mongrel.

>>24588565
you should have him wake up with her feet in his face on accident one morning and describe the smell, though.

Fight scenes and sex scenes are written the same way. It's all about build up and flow.

Here's a passage I'm working on. The main character Io has been raped and humiliated by both Irv and Kathy at this point. He finally snaps and tries to assert some will over his weird, high-tech surroundings, albeit impotently. I wanna know if I'm hitting the right notes here in particular.

Outside, the heat kicked Io’s teeth. Just play it down, he thought. It doesn’t bother the new Io. So he squared his shoulders and went towards the spook of suits like it was nothing.
“You just went through our 3D graphics demonstration,” Irv remarked, not even looking up. “I figured you’d be winded.”
It doesn’t bother this new Io, Io thought, and kept on walking, swinging his arms boldly.
“Well, have it your way,” Irv said, pearly whites all gleaming.
Like so, Io walked the hotel’s perimeter for several revolutions. Truly isn’t much to see or do around these parts, thought Io. Then it hit him. On his fourth or fifth long walk around the hotel, when he crossed Irv, Io leaned in and—a swoop!—swiped Irv’s sunglasses right off his smug face and put them on. He stood there, gingivitis smile all gleaming dully in the sun. But Irv just shrugged it off. He took another pair from in his inner pocket and extended it to Io. “Maybe you’d prefer this style? A little more like Arnold?” Irv asked courteously, and chuckled.

Not good enough. He had to do more. Had to show these suits that they can fuck him, sure, in every sense, but never break his spirit. Io spit on Irv’s shoes, turned around, and walked back in. His spit evaporated in the sun in seconds.

The hotel lobby was all quiet. Kathy sat there on a sofa reading the Dessert Sweet Nothing’s funny pages, flicking through, licking her thumb, and chuckling. Io glanced her way and flinched. No, too much trouble, that one, Io thought, and tiptoed past her.

Behind the lobby was the tech room. Here’s the motherload, thought Io, staring at the rows of squat-gray terminals. He flicked the switch on one up just to see. YOU WON’T FIND GEORGIA LIKE THIS, printed the computer glowing-green. “I’ve had enough. Shut up,” said Io out loud to the screen. I ALWAYS THOUGHT I’D FACE THIS HOUR WITH DIGNITY, it printed, BUT NOW I’M STRANGELY SAD TO GO, and made a rhythmic beeping noise, like whimpering. “Too bad,” said Io, and with one swift gesture, pushed it to the floor, and—crash! It shattered. Io gazed at the debris, then pushed the next down, then the next. WAIT, PLEASE, one printed, turning on all by itself, DON’T DO IT. I HAVE GEORGIA’S EMAILS. “Really? Show me,” Io said. I CAN’T :(, printed the terminal. “Don’t waste my time,” roared Io, tossing it down on the floor.
The suits walked in agape. “How could you?” one asked Io on the edge of tears. Behind them followed Irv, not agitated, not as far as Io saw, but shaking his head slowly. “Well,” said Irv, “it’s time we took a ride.”

>>24587715
I knew you'd be opposed

JUST ONE MORE EDIT AND IT'LL BE PERFECT
JUST ONE MORE EDIT AND IT'LL BE PERFECT
JUST ONE MORE EDIT AND IT'LL BE PERFECT
JUST ONE MORE EDIT AND IT'LL BE PERFECT

>>24588434
>There are plenty of people ready, willing, and able to take their places
How many of them do you think would still be ready, willing, and able to take their places when a huge band of anarchist terrorists is out for their blood?

>>24584732
If you ask it to be brutally honest, it’s not bad.

>>24588841
Yes, it is. You're just predisposed to trust negative ("brutal") advice more than positive feedback.

>>24588711
Just two more week and I'll have my first draft

Can you provide feedback on the greentext memoir I'm writing on /gif/?
>>>/gif/29207827

>>24588709
How about I suddenly change your face into a bloody pulp

How do you deal with the insecurity of feeling like you’re not as good as your favourite writers?

>>24588533
to me your post evokes something between Stoker's Dracula and Infinite Jest. Make it

>>24588972
Overcome standards borne of idolization. This will also help you obtain and retain romantic partners.

>protagonist visits a location\
>chapter name: [Location name]
works every time

>>24588731
They would just protect themselves better. A common technique is to rework the corporate structure so that it appears the bosses are only in charge of a small portion of it, vastly increasing their number while seemingly reducing their importance. If the anarchist band was large enough, the businessmen would lean on their contacts in government to get the anarchists swept up. The continued presence of the police doesn't stop criminals from wanting to replace the kingpin, does it? Finally, "organization of anarchists" is a contradiction in terms. Seriously, you need to learn more about how the real world works before trying to come up with a high-level political plot. You appear to have a child's understanding of how the world works. You can go ahead with your idea, but I doubt you'll produce anything that rises above anime tier.

>go to scribblehub for the first time in months
>comment about requesting my discord to upload fan art
>click user profile
>user has been deleted
nyoo
I was about to have my first fanart

>>24588580
The girl will be malnourished at least but the protagonist already will have a love interest his age anyway

>>24588588
Will keep this in mind

>>24589236
hm doesn't sound cynical enough if he has a love interest his age. why isn't he with the old hag? maybe the younger girl can work to help make her jealous and in the end the runaway and the boomer end up together but heavily addicted to substances.

>>24589227
The same guy spams on SH too? Can't blame him for not trying

>>24584308
Je suis dans le même camp vis-à-vis les langues maternelles, mais je lirais tes histoires si tu les postes.

>>24589408
Voici
https://pastebin.com/HJLdtpxc

>>24589208
Never did I state that some utopia will be achieved. Just that the future would be very different. Thank you for your insights. However:
>"organization of anarchists" is a contradiction
Read more books buddy
>Seriously, you need to learn more about how the real world works
O the irony

>>24589353
He's not cynical perse just highly neurotic and dysfunctional

>>24587846
Do you mind if I steal this idea? Just kidding, I'll steal it regardless.

Finished the first act, stopped for half a month, I have somehow tricked my brain into feeling like I wrote a whole book instead of the first part of one.

This is awful, I was told that structuring things in acts would make it easier instead I have to deal with post-wroital depressiion before I even finish writing the fucking thing.

>>24587846
Here's my take on this neat idea
>An empath loser and a deeply troubled teen embark on a cross-country driving adventure to reunite the teen with an estranged parent.
I might write this into something, no joke. Thanks anon

>>24589227
You're living in [present day, present time]. Just ask ChatGPT to generate some fanart for you.

>>24589610
Personally I can get postpartum depression even in the middle of sentences. Personally I just brush past it and keep writing. Usually I write some great stuff during these phases.

>>24587443
So are you guys going to keep his Amazon account going forever? How does that work? Don't you have to move it over to a living person's account at some point?

Does that mean you have to take the book down and put it up again?

No one has ever said anything good about my writing, most of the time they don't even respond, so how can I improve?

Coomerfags ruin everything, I'm just trying to get more info about gloves (and if people actually folded them like picrel) but half the posts are just fetish shit

>>24590333
If your post is anything to go by, I would say that you could either cut out what the negative feedback targets, and either buy ads, r4r, or use your own sense of taste. no matter how good u think you are i imagine you dont see your writing as literally perfect.

>>24590620
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I NEED HELP FROM OTHER PEOPLE BUT OTHER PEOPLE ARENT THE WAY I WANT THEM TO BE NOO

>>24583685
>>24588556
sseuda em apa pun jezik you comme

>>24584308
Vas-y, mais l'anglais sonnera toujours mieux. Y a plus de mots et en tant que francophone biberonné à l'internet, ça me fait rager.

>>24583843
your guardian spirit is holding you back from dying to your inferior self
don’t survive
be happy
walk through the door

>>24590877
consultez >>24589447

>>24589447
Zé tout lu. Une bonne rythmique et prémise, de ce que j'en ai compris...? J'aurais aimé mieux comprendre qui était le narrateur et les personnages. J'ai trouvé très, très drôle le changement de nom du personnage, j'aimerais que l'histoire soit racontée uniquement de ce point de vue là : au lieu d'en apprendre sur l'auteur par ce qu'il nous dit, j'aimerais le découvrir à travers ses personnages. Par exemple, si Rookie décide de manger des sushis, mais qu'il est allergique, parce que c'est pas mal fréquent au final d'être allergique au sushi et que personne ne devrait embêter qui que ce soit d'allergique aux herbes qu'ils mettent des fois dans le tapanayaki, non ça c'est autre chose, mais dans le sens où c'était pas ma faute et que vraiment, je pouvais pas digérer et que non, c'était peut-être pas une allergie, mais peut-être que Rico avait juste un peu de mal avec ce goût ?

Aussi :

>d'y baser des décisions
>Avance rapide jusqu'à aujourd'hui.
> blême, la deuxième fois

Je trouve que ca sonne bizarre.

Mais t'as un truc ! Ca m'a rappelé (vite fait) les Cosmonautes de l'Absolu, si jamais.

>>24584308
Le problème avec les histoires en français c'est que personne ne les lira. Au moins en anglais il reste une chance d'avoir, allez, 10 lecteurs sur internet ou quelque chose comme ça

>>24583349 (OP)
By the way, the revolution this painting depicts was a complete sham and only brought in a liberal monarch that got kicked out in a real revolution 18 years later.

>>24589589
I actually joined an anarchist college in my idealistic youth. It fell apart because no one was willing to follow the rules. I've had a very firm opinion of the reliability of anarchists ever since. What, pray tell, is your actual real-world experience with them?

>>24590923
>your actual real-world experience with them?
Mostly admiring their stubborn refusal to follow the rules

>>24590333
>implying you *need* feedback to improve
Try focusing on your individual experience and moving past whatever you imagine anyone else might be interested in. Does the work please you? If not, how could it?
You will get better at pleasing yourself this way with or without positive or negative feedback.

>>24590909
C'est toujours un beau tableau. Moi j'aime que le porte-drapeau a enlevé son haut afin qu'on peut voir ses seins.

>>24590643
hmm

>>24590620
>sex bad!
have it

>>24591040
Exactly. So they're not going to band together and carry out a plan that calls for simultaneous execution of all sorts of "leaders". (And if it's not simultaneous, the rest will hunker down & be unavailable for assassination.) Bottom line...your plan is anime-tier.

>>24591124
>your plan is anime-tier.
almost like The Matrix, but 4 real?

>>24591437
>>24591439
thanks for sharing Nicu Stefan Cristian

>>24591462
have some class, anon. just his first name would have been fine. now you risk catching a ban

>>24591873
he posted it himself

>>24591249
If you think The Matrix was anime-tier, you have totally missed the point. But whatever. Go ahead and carry out your plan. I wish you all the luck in the world.

>>24591462
>>24591873
Is there a reason his work is automatically banned?

I wanted to write but I keep having to get up to shit what should I do?

>>24592144
Get a doctor

>>24591873
>>24591890
>>24591955
I just removed it because I thought it was awful, desu. :/
Here are the two pages, again.

>>24592262
>>24592265
I'm a little confused. If this is a parody of genre-fiction, it achieves that well with the parentheses. But for being so information-dense, the pacing feels remarkably flat. Parody should be funny, not exhausting.

Is a novel just a bunch of short stories taped together? structurally speaking...

>>24593345
No

>>24593345
you could argue that. Its more like a bunch of smaller stories bunched into one larger story rather than just together.

>>24592262
Is "I thought it was awful" a bannable offense?

>>24593421
depends on the janny

>>24593345
No, a novel is a completely different beast. If you try to write one the way you write short stories, you'll exhaust your reader. Novels give you a chance to spread your wings, to immerse your reader in the world you create. Given their length, your goal in writing a novel is to keep your reader interested and reading, instead of dropping your book. You do this by connecting their senses with the senses of your characters, so the reader feels part of the story and of your world. I could go on.

>>24593426
it's just that i read somewhere Charles Dickens wrote his novels in serials that were published in newpapers and it made me think that novels were like TV seasons (Squid game season 1, season 2, etc.)

>>24593442
>It.................. Not that...........................

>>24593424
So the rules don't actually matter? Sounds abusive and prone to petty tyranny. I can get that on Reddit.

>>24593469
nothing of value was lost
either from the bullshit prose that was deleted, nor from your impending departure to Reddit

>>24593469
So you're a redditor? Got it. You should go back.

>>24593430
Even if you're not writing a serial, you can certainly structure your chapters/scenes to end on serial-style cliffhangers,

>>24593446
Huh?

>>24593477
>>24593485

I just fucked up guys. I wrote a really long character development ghost of christmas past scene but ughhhhhhhhhh i just realized it's way too early in the plot to have this, and now i just have a bunch of pages dedicated to something I now have to rewrite.

FUAAAAAAARRRRKKKKKKK

where Im from we say the penis is mightier than the sword. Cum has more impact than ink.

>>24593469
Complaining about moderation policy is a bannable offense.

>>24593950
I came in your mom and here (you) are, so maybe so.

>>24593430
charles dickens would not be published today

please learn to write a story before you try to subvert traditional storytelling you FUCK

>>24594009
NTA but this isn't about policy, this is about abuse

>>24593430
holy shit he was a web novel writer KEK

>>24594317
Serials existed before web novels, child.

>>24593550
2013 reddit WAS better, in some ways
2013 reddit doesn't exist anymore

>last year wrote some very short half-assed, half-finished lewd stories
>wake up at 4 a.m. today and lie in bed thinking when I suddenly realize how I can tie them all together into one cohesive narrative
>can even make this into book 2 of my series of lewds since it shares the same general theme
>bang out 1200 words in the first hour by 7 a.m.

>>24594317
a lot of novelists wrote pulp at some point or another
dickens wrote a lot of it
however most of the great novels were written by people with high skill jobs and they wrote as a secondary interest

>>24593430
>Charles Dickens wrote his novels in serials that were published in newpapers
It's extremely obvious when you read his work. Great Expectations has chapters that just seem to ramble on for no apparent reason and have little, if anything, to do with the greater arc of the story. It was clearly just filler to pad out that month's newspaper column. He's a good writer, but his style suffers due to the format. Many of his books could stand an edit to tighten them up and remove the fluff.

>>24594564
suddenly most of the bullshit victor faggot hugo does makes sense

>>24594536
Im glad youre having a blast but do people really consider 1200 words a lot now?
I do that on bad days.
of course quality matters the most but still, I wouldnt find it noteworthy to mention till its like 3k words or something

>>24594570
What's wrong with Victor Hugo?

>>24594572
>do people really consider 1200 words a lot now
I don't, but it's first thing in the morning after only four hours of sleep, so that's a good start for me for just an hour. Basically my heroine accidentally applies to do a nude scene in a movie as a background character, not realizing it when she applied, so I had to come up with all the backstory fresh today. I'm very happy with the results so far. I have just bits and pieces of isolated stories, so weaving them all together will be fun.

>am currently the majority of the way through my first novel
>according to calculations I’ve done, the final page count is going to be 500-600 pages
>it’s not a fantasy or sci-fi novel, but is instead a literary thriller

Would this be a problem for presenting it to publishers? I feel the novel genuinely NEEDS to be that long, but I wonder if the length would raise eyebrows given the genre. I’m already at least 400 pages deep into this thing, and I’m currently in the early stages of the third act.

>>24594603
The hardest part will be FINDING a publisher who will even talk to you. Even agents these days are swarmed with requests. I'm not saying give up; far from it. Keep doing it. Just be ready for a likely multi-year long process, at the end of which there will very likely be more re-writes, so just keep doing what you do and it'll work out later.

>>24594614
I expected as much. I am thinking of getting an Agent, since that’ll better my odds. Self-publishing is an absolute last resort, and my main motive for writing is to get my work out there so it can have a wide audience. Profit is a secondary concern.

why dont we combine all our books into one really good big book
itll be like the bible but better

>>24594603
>>24594625
you might easily get more readers from self-publishing. it depends on your novel.

>>24594625
I self-published earlier this year. There has been no profit.

self publishing doesnt work unless you have access to good marketing

which is also why i hate publishers that expect you to do all the marketing, if i could do marketing I wouldnt be going to a publisher to begin with

>>24594649
half of all trad pubbed authors get almost no marketing and sell under 1k copies (i've heard under 250 as well, but lets be optimistic)

>>24594649
>>24594672
So what IS the best way forward? I get that books aren’t as big as they were decades ago, but there has to be SOME avenue for new authors to get their work seen, otherwise nothing new would get published at all.

Like I said, I couldn’t give a shit about profit, but a decent readership to give the work exposure would be nice. I’m open to any avenue as long as it fits these criteria.

>>24594690
Could always do the youtube route. Make a channel, get followers, direct them to your Amazon page, and go from there. I have no faith in Facebook ads or anything of that sort. Most people use adblockers now anyway, so trying to advertise your book is really hard.

>>24594690
it just means that regardless of whether you're trad or selfpublished, you will be doing your own marketing.

>>24594762
We know.

>>24594603
You can trim the fat on editing. Or self-pub. You could also split it into two volumes, but then you would need to have some sort of closure mid story, which probably won't fit yours.

>>24594690
instead of seeking traditional publishing consider traditional employment

>>24594847
How about you go fuck yourself you fucking faggot?

>>24594847
I've tried that. It's not as fun. People yell at me.

>>24594847
I’m literally writing this book during my work breaks. Getting a job has ironically been a god-send for my writing. Especially since I now have cash to drop on an agent.

>>24594845
Yeah, the volume idea definitely wouldn’t work. The pacing of my story is way too filmic in nature. That’s probably why it’s so long— It’s written and paced like a movie.

nothing is truly original
everything has been done before, everything has been written before, people roll their eyes if they detect a single familiar concept in your work, or worse insult you, or even worse yet damn you to obscurity by simply ignoring you and moving on to the flavor of the month slop instead
why bother

>>24591947
Anime was such a huge influence on the making of The Matrix that they even made an anime based on it.
You have no media literacy.

>>24595028
Why not?

>>24594732
I see a thousand people doing this and it's not working for them

>>24594950
>I now have cash to drop on an agent
oof
anon, any agent who demands money from you up front 10000% will do 0 to get your shit published. they literally just want to scam you out of your money.
the reason it's so hard to get a genuine agent to take on your book is that they need to think they have a solid chance of selling it to a publisher because that's how they make their money, not by collecting scraps from wannabe authors.

>>24594630
My book wouldn't fit in with your book; there'd be troubles

>>24594572
12K in an hour is good gains you fucking snob

>>24593647
You could probably still use most of tit with edits

>>24594950
>I now have cash to drop on an agent.
Scam alert.

Real agents will get paid a percentage when your book gets sold to a publisher. You never pay them upfront for anything.

>>24595103
>12K in an hour
>12,000 words in an hour

>>24595147
Anon wrote 120K words in one (1) hour and you're trying to play it off like it's nothing

>>24595093
>>24595132
Noted. I’ll keep that in mind when searching.

I’ve got awhile to think about that, but thanks for the heads up.

How long until you cave and "invest" in a vanity press?

>>24595181
Self publishing?

The literarian stripteasse, cam he write can he pick good writers?

I'm writing a story about how a modest college girl ends up becoming an internet camwhore. Do you think this will sell on Amazon?

>>24595501
go on discord adjust demographic and you can experience the real thing

I'm completely spacing on a word, it's something similar to intuitive or adaptable... like being able to survive whatever situation you're in, ex.
>humans are very X
what the fuck is the word, it's on the tip of my tongue, fuck

>>24595575
come on, similar to industrious, productive, enterprising, shrewd, inventive... I'm so close, fuck. no matter the situation, humans will adapt and survive because they're... WHAT, ugh

>>24595575
>>24595595
resilient was the word

fuck I'm so embarrassed. sorry

It's too bad I can't have sex irl. It would be good research for how to write porn.

>>24595666
what do you look like?

Greetings esident grammarians, are both of these correct? Or is the latter incorrect? Or they have different meaning?
>it would have had to have been
>it would had to have been

Finished the manuscript of the novel I've been working on.
It's set in 1991 in a government black-site called Dessert, Nevada (not Desert.) It follows two parallel stories. One is of Io, a Seattle slacker way out of his depth; the other is Georgia, a programmer who feels something is off. Things escalate.
The structure follows this split. Io's chapters are called "penetrations," whereas Georgia's are just called "chapters."
I'd like to know what the biggest issues are. Right now, I'm considering reworking the first two chapters and penetrations, since I feel like I was warming up there. If you want to know what the dominant style of the piece is, skip to Third Penetration.

https://rentry.co/dessertnv

>>24596064
How many words is it, fren?

>>24596136
16,510. Novella length.

>>24596141
That's uh
That's a slightly overgrown short story

>>24596141
The first draft of my novel had chapters longer than that.

>>24596150
Yeah fair. About the ballpark thereof. Takes up quite the folio when printed though.

>>24594630
4chan already did that. It was called "The Legacy of Totalitarianism in a Tundra".

>>24594690
Reddit has several fiction-oriented subs.
https://reddit.com/r/nosleep/wiki/similarsubreddits
Maybe one's a good fit for your fiction.

>>24595181
There's no need for vanity presses anymore. You can upload your book to Amazon and it'll get printed on demand.

>>24595185
How does one even genuinely self-publish in the modern world? Isn't everything bookwise just done through Amazon now?

im not improving. fuck. i suck at this

>>24596467
Same. The more I read the more awful I realize I am, too. It's a vicious cycle.

>>24594536
Stroke of midnight now. I just hit 5k words for the day. Not bad for the start of a new story.

>>24596467
>>24596504
me 2

thinking of animating my short stories when I have the time (A lot)
people just dont wanna read these days and marketing is so much more difficult than just uploading on youtube and tiktok and letting the algorithms do the work

>>24585890
There are lots of reasons I can think of. He can be in love with the Queen or the Queen's daughter. He may want more land or more power and get it after the coup. Or the Queen blackmails him into doing it against his will. Maybe she had his children or his wife. Then there's mind control. Or maybe he's fooled into doing it without knowing. Maybe the Queen frames the Emperor to pit him against him. And then there are reasons that dont even have to be good. He knows going against the emperor is suicide but he decides to do it anyway. Maybe he's lost everything and there's nothing left for him but revenge. Maybe the Emperor made a meme where he was the chad and the king was the beta cuck and it made him so angry he joined the queen out of spite.

>>24597092
I went with
>He was scared of his wife yelling at him

>>24592262
You need to read a lot more. But before that, read your story aloud or with a text to speech app. Hear whats wrong with your story

>>24585890
The only plausible reasons why lands would abandon a union is that it A) no longer gives them worthwhile benefits and they're better off independent, or B) they're abused economically to an intolerable extent. Nobody sane risks the future of their people for pussy, that's ridiculous

>>24597584
Someone didn't read Troy

>>24597696
I knew someone was going to bring up Troy, but even there Helen was only an excuse to start a war that was motivated by so much more.

>>24597860
Her pussy!

I can't write anything of any significant length without imagining Nabokov hovering over my shoulder telling me why it's shit

>>24597916
Then it should please you to know that early Nabokov was shit.

Trying to capture the transformation from slightly controlling supervisor to utter monster. Here's the before phase. I'd like to know if they sound like the same voice, and if the transformation is well-seeded.

>>24598139
Here's the after-phase

>>24596987
Good luck, the YouTube algorithm started raping animators years ago and hasn't stopped. You'd please it more by pumping out 5-10 lazily edited 50-minute vlogs about barely interesting topics

>>24597916
It should please you to know that Nabokov would think you're shit.

>namefag asks for feedback
>I don't reply
>mfw

>>24598139
Your first paragraph is boring. You should start with the supervisor doing something, not the mundane task of debugging

>>24596012
The first one is incorrect

>>24596012
This is the kind of question it's better to as an LLM than 4chan as evidenced by >>24598264

The first phrase, **"it would have had to have been,"** is correct. It uses the proper auxiliary verbs to convey a conditional perfect tense.

The second phrase, **"it would had to have been,"** is incorrect because it omits the auxiliary verb "have" after "would."

### Differences in Meaning
- **"It would have had to have been"** implies that something was necessary in the past under certain conditions.
- **"It would had to have been"** does not convey a clear meaning due to its grammatical error.

In summary, only the first phrase is correct and conveys the intended meaning.

>>24596204
>why yes, I'm an author... oh, you want to read my book? that's easy, it's up on reddit

>>24598139
>Debugging
Nope.

>just ordered my sibling's birthday present
>it's a copy of the anthology I'm printed in
the best gifts you give to others are the ones actually for yourself. heh heh heh

>>24598282
Confirms what I thought. Thank you.

>>24586819
Did your pop go to Dartmouth or is he just trolling them?

>>24598139
I concur with the others that you should remove the debugging paragraph

>>24598302
That's a real Brian Griffin move.

Is it even worth the effort to publish traditionally instead of going the KDP route?
As near as I can tell, all I'd have gained is a spot on a waiting list about a year long (if I'm very fortunate) for the low, low cost of 15% of the profits, and I don't know if the publishing house will even provide much of a service.

>>24598294
t. not my target audience

>>24599016
Either way you're shafted if you don't have a marketing strategy alongside marketable material (whatever that means). And even if you do have those things you're probably still shafted, just statistically speaking.

>>24599018
and thank God for that

>>24599047
See >>24593550

>>24599090
>>24593550
Ah yes, m00t, the most well-regarded and well-respected 4channer

>>24593550
I was so hopeful when 4chan went down, but somehow it's back and so am I.
We really ARE here forever.
>>24599045
Military science-fantasy.
I may as well just roll the dice.

>>24599125
>I may as well just roll the dice.
without a launch plan you aren't even rolling dice.
do you retards think books dropped onto amazon kdp have a chance of just 'taking off' somehow? literally doesn't happen lmao

>>24599143
So what are we supposed to do? Become social gadflies and make videos on TikTok? That only works for young, pretty girls. Advertising? Nothing but pouring money into a black hole. AI for content creation? No thanks. Seriously, do you have any actual ideas, or are you just here to shit on us?

>>24599216
You're supposed to get discouraged, give up, and join the bucket crab army like anon did

>>24599311
Sorry, but I'm not that dead inside. I want an actual plan. I don't want to go down like Melville, Kafka, or Proust, and only be a celebrated writer after I'm dead, if I even get that far.

>>24599216
>make videos on TikTok? That only works for young, pretty girls.
yes. you must go to a highschool and pay some young pretty girls.

Yes you may be arrested, you may be banned from campus, but it is all for art!

>>24599216
>>24599311
>>24599314
the plan to be honest, is to help each other out. 4chan meme'd a few authors here and helped push their name out there. May not result in a lot of sales, but it definitely pushed their name to the mainstream

>>24599325
I used to post about my novels here. I got absolutely no response, except for some autistic seething about word choice, and some completely inaccurate seething about grammar. This isn't a place to get support.

Can someone who tries to rape another character be redeemed? I'm on the verge of saying no, but I'm not sure. I also don't want to throw it in for shock value because I'm also bored of it cropping up in every single story. What do you guys think?

>>24599943
maybe if he or she tries to un-rape a different characte it would cancel out

>>24599943
Not in the eyes of your audience lol

>>24599943
I wrote a character that I wanted to be as evil as possible.
she started out as a slave and was abused a lot
however in the eyes of my audience they still redeem her even though she murders literal children later on

which surprised me the point wasnt to make her redeemable

but rape is often morally worse than killing kids so idk if its possible

>>24599961
>>24599980
>>24599989
Yeah I'm probably not going to do it. I think it makes sense for the plot, but it's not worth the hassle and the fallout. Also, I kind of think that sort of thing does psychic damage to you. It's too much of a hand grenade.

How do I describe a female character's appearance without being male-gazy?

>>24600021
just do it in a male gazy manner.
pleddit is gonna complai anyway unless your females are all obese whales with multiple genders

>>24583349 (OP)
>la belle langue française
pfffff

>>24600021
be less of a cum brain
>I'm not a terminally addicted gooner
then don't worry about it

>>24600021
You cannot. Even something as innocent as
>Her green eyes
Is considered to be "male gazing". Women will ask why couldn't her eyes be brown?!

>>24599325
Nowhere is a good place for support if your material isn't marketable (whatever that means)

>>24599943
In the real world of fiction? Of course, anything's possible. In the ideology-dominated social media landscape? A vocal few might get upset with you over trying to do that.

>>24600021
Consider if the character needs a described gender at all. I avoid giving sideline supporting characters a gender unless that's somehow pertinent info.

First draft is up to 83K words. Seems like just yesterday someone here asked me if I had a 50K excerpt and I didn't yet.

>>24600350
What

>>24599143
I'm not going to give up.
>>24599216
>or are you just here to shit on us?
I notice that a shockingly small number of the people who shit on would-be authors ever offer a solution or present any work of their own.
So yeah, he's just here to shit on folks.

>Spend entire 4300 word first chapter detailing a magical date between the MC and a girl that he bangs and falls wildly in love with only to never introduce the girl into the narrative again apart from the MC crying about her
Is this a mistake?

>>24600533
What? Most characters don't need a gender; they don't make enough of an appearance to even require pronouns. One speaking character in my book is just referred to as "the kid."

>>24600574
>namefagging
here's your mistake

Can I pump out another 1000 words after dinner and before midnight?
even: yes
odds: yes

Writing what I think is going to be a 400,000-word epic of complicated interconnected narratives and plot lines, with that in mind. Is it a good idea to blast through the chapters roughly, then do it all again better on the second go-through once I know it properly? Or meticulously plan it out beforehand to avoid major plot holes.

>>24601080
whatever works

>>24601080
>400,000-word epic
if you are hoping to get published, you should be setting a goal of no more than 100k words. if you are a nobody they will not even look at long manuscripts.

why is modern fiction so autistic about describing the physicality of everyone at all points in a scene? Is it because modern readers play out books like movies in their minds?

>>24601080
no dont do this until youre an accomplisjed writer and have a good relationship with an editor that can vouch for your 4000)000000k word story

>>24601267
I'm 38,175 words in.
Should I give up, delete the story, take a pickaxe to my laptop, and give up ever writing again?

>>24601360
Restructure the plot so that it's four 100k books instead of one 400k book

why are people on RR trying to get my insta/discord?
theyre scammers right, trying to sell me something?

If you give a shit about your book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6o-MFNPzgE

>>24601024
mission accomplished

>>24601507
>22 minutes
no thanks

Here’s a concise summary of **John Hartness’s video** on *“Five Things That Are Earning You Rejections”* as a publisher:

---

### **Overview**

John Hartness, founder of Falstaff Books, explains why most submissions get rejected and gives **five common mistakes** unpublished authors make. He emphasizes that editors **want** to find good books—but most submissions fail because of avoidable issues.

---

### **1. Starting in the Wrong Place**

* Most books start too early (e.g., waking up, breakfast).
* **Start in the action** (*in media res*).
* Every line must **earn the next**: first sentence earns the second, and so on.
* Don’t cite Tolkien or Martin—**they wouldn’t get published the same way today**.

---

### **2. Overloading with Worldbuilding**

* Worldbuilding should be **invisible and integrated**, not dumped in big blocks.
* Think of it like **underwear**: necessary but shouldn’t be showing.
* Readers care more about **characters and plot** than lush setting descriptions.

---

### **3. Ignoring Genre Word Count Norms**

* Word counts **matter**—publishers won’t take financial risks on massive debuts.
* Genre-specific rough guides:

* YA: 50k–80k
* Mystery/Urban Fantasy: 75k–110k
* Romance: 55k–80k
* Epic Fantasy: 95k–125k (for debut)
* Don't justify with exceptions like Brandon Sanderson—they earned that freedom.

---

### **4. Boring or Unlikable Protagonists**

* Your main character must be **engaging**.
* If they’re a jerk, they must **"save the cat"** (have a redeeming quality).
* Readers won’t spend hours with someone **flat or hateful**.
* Even antiheroes need to be **interesting** or **entertaining**.

---

### **5. Too Many Adverbs**

* Adverbs are **lazy** writing; use **stronger verbs** instead.
* "Walked quickly" "hurried," "dashed," "strode," etc.
* Adverbs create **distance** between reader and story—**immersion suffers**.
* Cutting adverbs often **lowers word count**, helping with issue #3.

---

### **Conclusion**

If you're **unpublished**, play by the rules:

* Hook readers immediately.
* Weave worldbuilding into story.
* Hit the right word count.
* Write compelling characters.
* Tighten your prose—ditch adverbs.

Only **after** you’re established can you **break the rules**. Until then, **follow them to get published**.

---

Let me know if you want this as a one-pager, a checklist, or in another format.

>>24601527
My summary of that beardo's video's summary:
>1. Make sure it's interesting
>2. Make sure it's interesting
>3. Do a little math
>4. Make sure it's interesting
>5. This drumbeat of advice is badly overdrawn. The commonest adverbs are so frequent that abstaining completely would make your writing very strange indeed.
>Some writers think they have thoroughly internalized the advice. One book author, for example, praises a teacher who once “taught her to write without adverbs.” Liza Long, The Price of Silence 205 (2015). But then she begins the next paragraph with I am particularly grateful . . . .
>Yet there is some truth in the idea that adverbs sometimes lead writers to use verbs that are less apt.
>In short, there are certain types of adverbs to be cautious about: adverbs of manner (like the ones Elmore listed), adverbs of degree (absolutely, completely, totally), adverbs that smack of dogmatism (clearly, obviously, undoubtedly), and redundant adverbs (is currently, was formerly). But advice suggesting that you should cultivate a loathing of all adverbs is clearly, obviously, and undoubtedly wrong.

>>24601527
thanks chat gpt

>>24601563
You got it! Anytime. Good luck with the writing—and may your slush pile escape be swift and glorious.

I'm finally on the last chapter. This one is going to be fun.

>>24601527
>Epic fantasy
>90k words
>a whole novella less than Pride and Prejudice (130k) and that's a romance
Woah, are we retarded?

>>24602121
I usually write the final chapters somewhere halfway throughout the work lol

>>24601012
...What?

>>24602276
You are not Jane Austen and even if you were you'd have to wait three years before your death to get Pride & Prejudice published.

>>24602974
>>24602974
>>24602974