Thread 24584301

I'm nearly halfway through this book, and it feels like a gut punch. The worst part is that, just as she predicts, it's not enough to rouse me into real, sensual action.

On another note, I wonder what von Franz would say on the apparently growing issue of NEETs and if that has to do with, besides easy access to pornography and escapist media, what appears to me to be growing amounts of women succumbing to the animus, losing their ability to relate to their femininity in an authentic way, and depriving men of their masculinity (and here I mean traits such as assertiveness and initiative, not the capacity for physical violence), not only in the form of the devouring mother, but in the excessively rational and statistical approach that women (from what I've read from such groups online) have taken to dating. If that's true, and if that means that most men are containing their instinctual masculinity in the shadow, then like the example presented in the book of the young man who moves out of his childhood home and experiences independence for the first time only to become an alcoholic, it would seem that that's already occurring in the increasing forms of mass-killings and is poised to get worse as the issue cuts deeper into society. Those are just my personal speculations from what I've read so far.

Anyway, what I also found not so much surprising as I did admirable for her integrity is that von Franz goes so far as to say that some men simply aren't cut out for the real world, and the farther they get from their mother-complex, the closer they are to approaching death. That's a far cry from the kind of overly positive rhetoric that you usually hear today coming out of the mental health industry.

>>24584301 (OP)
yeah i've been meaning to read it but i don't think i can take it i sampled some of it and it was too real

Can I get a QRD unironically?

What problems does she identify and more importantly what solutions does she offer?

>>24584359
machildism, but it's not about guys who play too much nintendo switch with their wife's bull, it's about guys who won't give up fantasies about being a writer long after it's obvious it's not gonna happen, guys who won't settle into family formation and just wanna fuck on the weekend, etc. if ur posting on 4chan especially nu-/lit/ which is bursting with wannabe writers, it probably applies to you.

>>24584317
Years ago my brother took French in high school. Apparently his class had dedicated large amounts of time studying The Little Prince because I walked into his room one day and hanging on his wall was a painting of him in his suit. For some reason his expression moved me to pity. When I turned the page in the book in OP to that same picture, I got spooked. I guess you can call that a synchronicity.
>>24584359
>What problems does she identify
Problems that I'm sure that you're familiar with.
>what solutions does she offer?
From what I've gathered so, consistent effort at work and a conscious attitude towards play that taps into your inferior function.

Do you guys think about anything else? This whole “western downfall porn women bad dating eroticism is consumerism masturbate women decency in the past women dating dating apps” thing is getting kind of tiresome.

>>24584372
And when I say, "him," I'm referring to the Little Prince.

>>24584373
the book is based on lectures she gave in 1960 when toxic masculinity was still standard and the 60s sexual revolution hadn't happened yet, so it's not some new oh no men adult men are enjoying video games stuff, it's about intellectual development and stages of life. also she wasn't saying it applied to all men like chuds project today, she was saying this is one kind of abnormal case.

>>24584373
Its how our times are characterized. There's a very good essay in the chapter about modern art that goes into this in Man and His Symbols. Jung himself had apocalyptic visions of the future preceding his death, and von Franz confessed in interviews that she wasn't optimistic, either.

>>24584301 (OP)
>listening to women
Spoilers of the book here but a woman can't write on this subject without resentment because it is an outlet for her hatred of men who don't live up to her standards of capability and, especially, productivity. It'd be like if I wrote a book about the crisis of the Fornicatrix Perpetua; Technically it's true that lots of women are selfish whores but most people would find it off putting if I wrote a whole book about it.

>>24584429
>most people would find it off putting if I wrote a whole book about it
dooo IT dooo IT

>>24584429
actually good point fuck getting psyopped by some old boomerina i'm gonna play counterstrike 16 hours a day to own the jungians

>>24584429
There's nothing in the book so far that would exclude women from being characterized as such. On the contrary, von Franz mentions in passing that in the case of women, having children has the potential to ground them in reality.

"Your life is on the line and you think failure is an option?"

>>24584372
>conscious attitude towards play that taps into your inferior function.
How do I determine my inferior function?

>>>Women are supposedly children their entire lives and that's natural and acceptable and based actually
>>>It's a serious fucking problem/mental illness when MEN do it though!!! Here's a term in FRENCH to describe you filthy, DISGUSTING MAN BABIES. GROW THE FUCK UP!!!

I fucking despise this garbage culture with every fiber of my being.

>>24584369
I think that people who don't pursue what is unrealistic are a reason the world is shite and bland. Belief is a foundation to action I think. I don't know if its important or right to accept what is practical unless minimizing angst is what you think is important.

>>24584369
Thank you.

But how exactly does she identify such a man?

Some writers I respect were still "aspiring" writers in their mid-30s and only got their first break after a ton of rejection thereafter. What is the point in telling such a guy that he is a manchild and should instead start kissing more ass at work for greater social status?

>>24584301 (OP)
Pueri aeterni are based. No, woman, I'm not going to work.

>>24584706
>even tho i'm 35 and have never published anything i am a great writer so i don't have to be sociable at work like all these other npcs

yeah it's def a book for you

>Generally, great difficulty is experienced in adaptation to the
>social situation. In some cases, there is a kind of asocial individualism:
>being something special, one has no need to adapt, for that would
>be impossible for such a hidden genius, and so on. In addition, an
>arrogant attitude arises towards other people, due to both an
>inferiority complex and false feelings of superiority. Such people
>usually have great difficulty in finding the right kind of job, for
>whatever they find is never quite right or quite what they wanted.
>There is always "a hair in the soup." The woman is never quite the
>right woman; she is nice as a girl friend, but. . .

>Look up author
>Dead
GOOD. It's a shame she didn't die before getting this utter SHIT published.

>>24584839
Theres plenty of low effort disdain comments, but i must compliment your structure and it made me laugh

>>24584805
I'm not even a writer tho??

As to your quote, I was recently reading a biography of Bruno Schulz. At around that age (35) he was an aspiring but unpublished writer who loathed his job as a teacher and complained that he could never write the work he was capable of if he had to wageslave. Then a few years later he was published to much esteem. But wouldn't the author of Puer Aeternus have recommended to him at that age to give up his childish daydreams and focus on becoming a more "normal" man, committed to his career, a wife, etc?

Genuine question btw

>>24584675
she says it applies to women as well:

>I remember the case of a woman who did not want to have
>children. She always dreamt about puer aeternus animi figures and
>Nature pinning her down to earth. The dreams wanted her to have
>children, which would be one of the main ways by which a woman
>comes down to earth. She is committed definitely to something and
>cannot toy around with this and that anymore. This applies especially
>to women who are more of the hetaera type, those who have a lot ot
>affairs with a number of men and do not want to be pinned down.
>The child makes the relationship more definite. So that is one way
>which it takes with women, and it is a lot of work to have
>children—very regular, sometimes boring, work.

>>24584861
yeah i mean there was that one pitcher for orieles who turned pro at 35 so i mean it could happen better keep playing ball bro!

I'm 34 years old and no one else in the world knows this but:

I still suck my thumb