Thread 24593717

>>24593717 (OP)
he's reddit

>>24593747
why? hes at the end of the dionysus > stoic > nietzsche chain and will likely stay there
he solved the meaning of life more or less

>>24593747
Less reddit than Sartre honestly

>>24593717 (OP)
>based
>cheated on his wife

>>24594813
That makes him a sigma

>>24594826
That makes him a weak man. One who kets his desires control him cannot be called strong

>>24593717 (OP)
His stuff has never really landed for me. Maybe is the world we were raised in but much of what I’ve read just seems agiven. I didn’t find it very insightful.

>>24593717 (OP)
Is that a rage bait? Genuine question. Most people here hate him so it would be bizarre seeing someone like him here.

But in my opinion he wasn't based at all. His philosophy isn't really anything new. Just recycled stuff from philosophers before him. Probably around Epicure and Nietzsche.
Furthermore his philosophy isn't really for me. "Life is meaningless but just be happy. Sisyphus was happy too". Brother there is no way Sisyphus was actually happy. His philosophy is just for feeling edgy for 4 months and than noticing that it is trash. Every other philosophy is better.

>>24593717 (OP)
He makes all the chuds on this board seethe so he did something right + Algerian

>>24593717 (OP)
He's just a nihilistic edgelord with a puppy dog demeanor to mask it better.

>>24594813
Cheating for a guy is never personal

>>24596547
an oathbreaker, a slave to his dick

>>24593717 (OP)
He looks like what would remain if you drained all the color and personality from Pynchon, leaving this residue of a man in place

>>24594970
>he believes original thoughts are possible
post one person that wasnt influenced by anything else

>>24596609
Orange pumpernickel Lighthouse on the sky. Why did you die? I read about it in the papers but the papers were dry. Did I cry? Clear concise chamomile coasting, encroaching. Clarity is wasted on the blind. What did you find?

>>24596660
ayyye

>>24596609
Nah sure, every thought was influenced by other people. But like stuff Mainländer or Kant were more or less pretty "original" compared to Camus. Camus is not influenced he just copied something and added the Sisyphus metaphor.
He more feels like a philosophical entertainer like Alan Watts, who just "experiments" and plays with already existing schools of thought.

>>24597367
>Mainländer, Kant
both of their most famous works are critiques lol, the absolutely were influenced by others

>>24597415
Yeah they were influenced. I didn't try to deny that. But they did like the thesis + antithesis = synthesis shit. The took other peoples theories, did some thining-stuff and ended up with a new theory.

Camus is like he just takes the thesis and thats it. Like the guy you tell "but don't make copying my homework too obvious. Make it so the teacher won't notice." and they just end up using different words. No change on the content

there's too little difference between this little guy and nietzsche than people are willing to admit.

>>24594056
Sartre wrote in defense of Black September, I don't think he's reddit at all

>>24597512
>know that opinion that's super popular on Reddit and pollutes every corner of the site since it's in the news cycle now?
>yeah it's actually not Reddit at all

>>24594056
They're both reddit.

>>24593717 (OP)
Dostoevsky guy

>>24597633
Reddit is majority Zionist thoughever

>>24598053
>purposely lying to yourself

>>24594970
>Is that a rage bait?
>His philosophy is just for feeling edgy for 4 months and than noticing that it is trash.
This but unironically, I liked Camus but it didn't last long. Every other philosopher I have read stayed with me for longer.

>>24597633
You seem to know a lot about what’s on Reddit

>>24594970
shocked by how little the average /lit/ard is able to engage critically with literature

>>24598223
genuinely wondering, does this mean you agree with him or not?

>>24593717 (OP)
Rule of thumb: if women like him, he can't be a worthwhile philosopher

>>24596550
if you have yet to conquer the serpent, you have nothing worth saying

>>24598329
no one here says they disagree, just that what he wrote isnt noteworthy or relevant or original

>>24599452
Yeah sorry. I didn't really got the that part in my post (>>24594970). I kinda brushed upon it with my comment on Sisyphus, but I didn't have time to finish it.

I agree with Camus point that there is no meaning but people are still searching for one. That itself mostly needs to stop. But after that there isn't much I agree with.
>Rebellion
Camus for some reason says that one should rebel against the absurdity. I never really understood why one should to that. If there is no meaning how does Camus still preaches that one should follow some random ass values. Religion? No way because that would mean philosophical suicide. You need to think for yourself. Nihilism? No way, that is way to passive. You need to be the rebel. Suicide? No way, that would be like to let the absurd win.
How does he get those values? If there is no meaning of life there are no absolute values I must submit to. It just feels like he pulled them out of his ass so that it wouldn't have a too negative impact on society. Maybe that is connected to his political career.

Furthermore the stuff with Sisyphus. How the hell does he imagine Sisyphus happy? He is prisoner. He is suffering. Imagining him happy is just naive and plain stupid.

His philosophy just feels like half-hearted nihilism for reddit. Philosophy for "deep" teenagers. "Life has no meaning but you still have to rebel!". I just don't see how he deduces this stuff out of the absurd.

>>24599704
>Rebellion
this is just a more dressed up way to say that the absurd should always be in your mind, you shouldnt go a day without realising it and rebelling against it and any meaning that it doesnt hold

>follow random ass values
you mean like not being religious or being passive? these arent values per se, more critiques of what others might think/do when confronted with the absurd. i do agree that his suicide ideas arent substantiated in anything

>he pulled them out of his ass
really? how do you figure this? genuinely asking because the vast majority of what he said is self evident and obvious almost to the point of truisms

>How the hell does he imagine Sisyphus happy
because sisyphus has a goal that he can always aim for and a task that will always need doing. the meaningless of the task is irrelevant. actually, to get the full picture of camuses work you cant say irrelevant, uninteresting and unsurprising are better. sisyphus has an equally meaningless task as the rest of us, and he has the power to be as happy as anyone else doing any other task if he accepts the absurd into his being

anyway i just wish that he lived a bit longer to flesh out his thoughts

>>24594970
You write and think like a toddler. Spiritually and intellectually indian.

>>24600059
>Values? you mean like not being religious or being passive?
I meant that he thinks that rebellion is better than religion, nihilism, suicide, etc. His reason being (roughly said) that religion is intellectual suicide and just illusion, nihilism is too passive and one gives up on passion and suicide means to surrender to the absurd.
I don't really get how he says that this is better. In my opinion there is no better. If religion is what you need to cope it has the same "value" as to rebel against the absurd.

>pulled values out of his ass
I just don't get how he pulls op these values. If there is no meaning at it all and its just pure Darwinism, how is living in Nozicks experience machine worse than showing passion and being a rebel? Most people would probably choose the later, but that doesn't show that the experience machine is worse.

>How Sisyphus happy
As you said. He can be happy if he accepts the absurd. But he can't. That like saying all the people in the concentration camps (hugh stretch, I know) can be happy if they embrace the absurd.
This "one can just embrace the absurd" is like saying "just make yourself happy". I don't get how that would do anything. Its a nice thing to say, sure. But still naive in my opinion.

>anyway i just wish that he lived a bit longer to flesh out his thoughts
Yeah that would certainly be nice.
>>24600062
>Write like a toddler
Brother this is a shitty image board. I don't care if it sounds like an essay I would write for my exam or the fucking language from the Instagram comment section.

>Think like a toddler
Well, then give me your arguments please. I would be happy to know your thoughts on this topic.

Absurdism = Nihilism

>>24600059
>this is just a more dressed up way to say that the absurd should always be in your mind, you shouldnt go a day without realising it and rebelling against it and any meaning that it doesnt hold
what a cucked philosophy lol

>>24600154
>rebellion is better than religion etc
if he used a different word would you be happy (remembering that the book is translated)? it means always being aware that everything is meaningless. nihilism in his eyes was "nothing matters, and thats bad" whereas absurdism is "nothing matters, and thats good", he is saying to not be depressed basically
religion is a tougher one because it doesnt fit in with the other copes, ie that religion is infallible and eternal. if you make your meaning money you can lose all your money and lose all meaning. if you make your meaning family they could all die in a car crash and you lose all meaning. religion doesnt have that though.
his argument was basically that suicide and religion are copes, they avoid the problem rather than "rebel" against it. your argument though is that if everything is meaningless then how is rebelling better than coping, and to be honest i dont have a decent answer for you

>experience machine
the experience machine is pretty absurd. i dont remember camus mentioning it but i cant see why the augments against plugging in are any different to those against religion or suicide

>Sisyphus
if the line said content instead of happy would you have a problem with it?
and the people in concentration camps are being actually tortured, they feel pain. they are also locked up, they cant do anything, they cant even push a boulder. im sure if you would ask someone being waterboarded if they would rather push a boulder they would consider it

>>24600675
>cucked philosophy
all philosophy is cuckoldry

>>24601555
>if he used a different word would you be happy?
If you mean 'rebellion', probably not. 'Rebellion' itself is a pretty strong word, because I think it presupposes having values, which you rebel for. That is making it difficult. But I think it doesn't change anything, because the content would stay the same.

>he is saying to not be depressed basically
Then that is a good intent. Can't argue about that. But I still think it is naive. To think everyday that everything you do is meaningless and doesn't actually matter in any way and still believe that you will end up happy and motivated to keep on rebelling, I find kind of absurd.

>if the line said content instead of happy would you have a problem with it?
Yes. I still find it naive to think that anyone could just become happy under these circumstances because he is aware of the absurd.

>im sure if you would ask someone being waterboarded if they would rather push a boulder they would consider it
Just push a boulder? Yes, they would. But push a boulder for infinity? Hell nah. I would rather experience the 100 most extreme torture methods invented on this earth, rather than doing anything for infinity. I think being aware of having to do something for infinity is the worst thing that can happen to a person. And thus I don't understand how in any way Sisyphus could be happy.


>all philosophy is cuckoldry
Based.

>>24593824
That would be Heidegger but every single absurdist and existentialist forget the french copied it all from him
>>24594056
Sartre's novels get thrown around a lot despite the fact he can't write for shit and only decent at philosophy
Camus' philosophy gets thrown around a lot despite the fact he's dogshit at it and only good at writing
What a wonderful little duo

>>24594970
I can’t believe people are still getting filtered by the Sisyphus analogy.

>>24594970
You aren't even wrong. His main appeal is that he's a good writer.

>>24602774
He's an objectively terrible writer

>>24602620
Care to explain it to me in a better way?
I understand the basic analogy. Sisyphus has a meaningless task, just like we do. He rolls his stone up the hill and after a while it just rolls down, just like we work everyday and wake up the next.
But apart from that we have the luxury that our task isn't going on forever. We die. Yeah sure Sisyphus is already dead and shit but he still lives in the underworld.

I get the analogy, but it is just too unrealistic and not really comparable with the human condition.


>>24602774
>>24602787
I would actually call him a decent writer. His prose normal/ not anything noteworthy. But he works with a lot of symbolism and metaphors. I somehow like that. Others do that too, I know. But altogether he is very fucking overrated.

>based
>pearl-clutched over the Eastern Bloc, fascism, Francoism, etc.

>>24602912
where did he do this?