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Anonymous No.24593897 >>24593903 >>24593916 >>24593978 >>24594057 >>24594697 >>24594746 >>24595007 >>24595716 >>24595729 >>24595752 >>24596111 >>24596132 >>24596832 >>24598451 >>24601778 >>24601796
Why isn't Bataille taken more seriously as a philosopher?
Anonymous No.24593903 >>24593909 >>24593911 >>24594042 >>24595603
>>24593897 (OP)
Didn't he jerk off in his mom's funeral ? And proudly wrote about it ? He was begging to NOT be taken seriously
Anonymous No.24593909
>>24593903
hey you. yeah you. im laughing at your peepee right now XD
Anonymous No.24593911
>>24593903
He's the HP Lovecraft of philosophy.
Anonymous No.24593916 >>24593934 >>24593985
>>24593897 (OP)
Because he is a psuedointellectual pornagrapher like his idol de Sade.
Anonymous No.24593934
>>24593916
What do you even know about intellectualism? It's all about things that are alien to you of which when you turn back. You're being a mathematician poopyhead. Poopy.
Anonymous No.24593978 >>24593985
>>24593897 (OP)
Because he's a weirdo. Theres a difference between insanity and being just plain weird.
Anonymous No.24593985
>>24593916
>>24593978
sounds about right
Anonymous No.24593993
BRAAAAAAAAAP
Anonymous No.24594042 >>24594044 >>24594684 >>24594839 >>24595281 >>24595603 >>24595735 >>24597119
>>24593903
not funeral, he jerked off in front of the corpse when he found her. it's in the police report
Anonymous No.24594044
>>24594042
how based
Anonymous No.24594057
>>24593897 (OP)
Maybe the fact he wrote about wanting to rape little girls while having his throat cut.
Anonymous No.24594069
goatse.cx
Anonymous No.24594122 >>24595279
Because he's shilled by people who unironically think that's a good book cover
Anonymous No.24594148
>>24594127
yeah not watching that shit
Anonymous No.24594174
>>24594127
I'm glad we're reaching the point where you can subconsciously blame AI to cope with seeing shit like this. It's not quite there yet though so I'll probably dream about this one.
Anonymous No.24594190 >>24594224 >>24594660
that vid is bataille's "philosophy" materialized. gay mentally ill chinks mutilating human bodies and killing themselves while jerking off. so deep!
Anonymous No.24594224
>>24594190
Is this that slow slicing execution G.B. would coom to?
Anonymous No.24594660 >>24594836 >>24595944
>>24594190
it's called sovereignty chud.
Pushing the human body beyond its absolute limits. spending energies in excess, performing total sacrifice and loss for nothing in return. Burning a sacred fire devoid of divinity. No answer, no revelation, only the night of ignorance, screams and laughter. death becomes of a feast of life. Life in its most potent self consuming expression.
Anonymous No.24594684
>>24594042
Why are frogs like this?
Anonymous No.24594688
Feet
Anonymous No.24594697 >>24596118
>>24593897 (OP)
The thing about Bataille in my opinion is that he is very tantalizing because he is so close to what is right and true but falls away from it most dramatically into pleasure and flesh
Anonymous No.24594746 >>24595014
>>24593897 (OP)
Hylic degenerates aren't philosophers.
Anonymous No.24594836 >>24594986 >>24596243 >>24596571
>>24594660
nice chatgpt post. it's called mental illness as you can clearly see it from the video.

there's a lesson here. when the language is flowery it can captivate people. when it's put into application results are less misleading. this shit is mentally ill faggot shit. bataille and people who like him are mentally ill faggots.
Anonymous No.24594839
>>24594042
This is somehow worse
Anonymous No.24594862 >>24594868
I genuinely don't care about people who write about sex in any way that seems obsessive. They aren't even offensive, just tacky and boring.
Anonymous No.24594868 >>24597110
>>24594862
the reason being is you got exposed to eroticism in literature after over-stimulating visual pornography
am I correct?
Anonymous No.24594986 >>24595015
>>24594836
you cant be sure of that chud. that chink was having the time of his life for all we know.
the real mental illness if you ask me is alienate yourself to a 9 to 5 for 60 years never living a single day and being scared of anything outside the norm. when you could be cumming so hard you have nothing else to experience and you die peacefully.
Anonymous No.24595007 >>24596583
>>24593897 (OP)
Because most people dont have the ability to understand.
Anonymous No.24595014
>>24594746
>Hylic
learned a new word today
Anonymous No.24595015 >>24595053 >>24595061 >>24595284
>>24594986
lol you're a fucking retard man. straight up retard.
Anonymous No.24595053 >>24595126
>>24595015
you sound upset
Anonymous No.24595061 >>24595126
>>24595015
Hey you. yeah you. why is your peepee so small? its because you havent used it right
Anonymous No.24595064 >>24595067
worthless edgelord
Anonymous No.24595067
>>24595064
I'll write that down..
>worthless edgelord...
cumming to this later.
Anonymous No.24595126 >>24595262
>>24595053
that's because you have programmed yourself to think anyone who laughs at you as mad. a defense mechanism of sorts. literally.

>>24595061
not while getting beheaded.
Anonymous No.24595262
>>24595126
cut yourself so we can jerk off to your wounds
Anonymous No.24595279 >>24595361
>>24594122
That's a fire ass book cover, lil bro
Anonymous No.24595281
>>24594042
that's a million times worse
what the fuck??
Anonymous No.24595284 >>24595299
>>24595015
NTA, but I think I violated u yesterday while talking some Quixote. Why do faggots always do the "I called u a retard therefore I win the argument" type beat
Anonymous No.24595299 >>24595301
>>24595284
Your daddy raped you and you hate Don Quixote.
Anonymous No.24595301
>>24595299
1-My Daddy Didn't Rape Me
2-I Just Think It's Mid
Anonymous No.24595361 >>24595631 >>24595641
>>24595279
It indicates a fixation on the carnal unsuited to the pursuit of philosophy.
Anonymous No.24595603
>>24594042
>>24593903
But I'm a creep
I'm a weirdo
What the hell am I doing here?
I don't belong here
Anonymous No.24595631 >>24595640
>>24595361
i personally think philosophy should be multi-faceted and encompass all of experience.
Anonymous No.24595640 >>24595647
>>24595631
especially the gore and shit and sexual deviancy, really important and essential.
Anonymous No.24595641
>>24595361
>he's scared by a butt
Anonymous No.24595647
>>24595640
i dont know if you are being sarcastic but if you experience these or see these in the world than an understanding of them is desirable in the pursuit of knowledge and application to experience. Maybe for a normie these aren't a facet, but for many they see what is.
Anonymous No.24595716
>>24593897 (OP)
because Lacan cucked him
Anonymous No.24595729 >>24596232 >>24596248
>>24593897 (OP)
You want a serious answer?

>agreement with Nietzsche that sovereignty of the individual when taken to extrema entails a rejection of militaristic, fascist, socialist, and enlightenment philosophies and may entail extreme difficulty recognizing the sovereignty of anyone else.

>agreed with Nietzsche that privation is frequently the most expedient route to sovereignty

Despite these agreements Bataille tried to make a philosophy around this and the result is something that ends up working against his agreements on all sides.

>Bataille likely chose sovereignty

If you take Nietzsche that far you are Nietzsche and in that case Bataille didn't didn't do anything other than write some books if he chose that route, if he didn't choose that route then he threw his philosophy to the future for someone else to make the dilemma work. This makes it hard to read his material for anything other than entertainment.
Anonymous No.24595735
>>24594042
>baguette behavior
Anonymous No.24595752 >>24596836
>>24593897 (OP)

>dude let's start a secret club to ritually behead people but not really
Anonymous No.24595944 >>24595948
>>24594660
I don't know, in practice it just doesn't seem very nice
Anonymous No.24595948 >>24596308
>>24595944

The moment when krillov commits suicide, in demons, embodies that sort of idea I think. I can empathize with it.
Anonymous No.24596111
>>24593897 (OP)
He knew he was a degenerate.
His book Blue Of Noon is an excellent comparison of communism, nationalism and liberal democracy.
Anonymous No.24596118
>>24594697
This anon put ut much more eloquently.
Take out the sex acts, and the Story Of The Eye becomes a typical romantic tale.
Anonymous No.24596132
>>24593897 (OP)
hmmm is that a bussy or a girlbutt? le peepee can go inside, did you know?
Anonymous No.24596232
>>24595729
>Despite these agreements Bataille tried to make a philosophy around this and the result is something that ends up working against his agreements on all sides.
This is how you can tell this anon has NEVER had sex in his life.
Anonymous No.24596243
>>24594836
>when the language is flowery it can captivate people. when it's put into application results are less misleading.
LMAOOOO
Anonymous No.24596248 >>24596254 >>24596966
>>24595729
i think that this is really true, but the resurgence of deluze i think has also caused bataille's work to skyrocket in recent years
Anonymous No.24596254
>>24596248
>deluze
deloose anus shit all over Kant
Anonymous No.24596271 >>24596280
this thread fucking scares me
Anonymous No.24596280 >>24596303
>>24596271
Prepare for your consequences, dear human.
Anonymous No.24596303
>>24596280
>DID THE SUN EVER DEFYYYY FAAATEEE
Anonymous No.24596308 >>24596310 >>24596314
>>24595948
Sure I can understand wanting to play an active part in one's own end at a philosophical level, but wanting to experience physical agony as part of it or forcing the issue by doing it as nasty and soon as possible is naive imo. If my bodily health declines enough I could see myself doing a big carbon monoxide on myself but I'd be desperately hoping to be as unaware of the whole process as possible. Bataille's fascination with being as evil as possible with it is just edgy and nasty, not clever. It insists upon itself.
Anonymous No.24596310
>>24596308
>Bataille's fascination with being as evil as possible
really nigga?
Anonymous No.24596312 >>24596320 >>24601754
what's a good reading order for bataille / bataille's philosophy. i don't know anything about it but his books don't look particularly long
Anonymous No.24596314 >>24596376
>>24596308
It's more than ones own end, its absolute control, proof to yourself that there is nothing you cannot do. There are obvious material power relationships that take a little more work, but i think the spirit of the masochism is similar. Just to prove your will, i dont think it quite works if you enjoy it instinctually.
Anonymous No.24596320
>>24596312
bataille and deleuze are a really good combination, both go hand in hand
Anonymous No.24596376 >>24596380
>>24596314
It's all good chatting shit about it but having suffered a partial scapulothoracic separation I think it's a bit difference once you're in the middle of that sort of pain and experience the possibility of never experiencing an end to it. Again, the idea of casting off all that is human and finding an accord with existence by doing the most perverse and irrational thing possible to simply expend your will is something I have sympathy for but the real thing isn't the idea, the map is not the territory etc. and I think when you're plunged into the worst hell possible even for a brief moment you'll find there's nothing noble in it, it's just heavy bad shit, nothing transcendent.
Anonymous No.24596380 >>24596825
>>24596376
Oh and to continue let me make clear I am 100% on board with assisting dying and everyone having the choice to end their life whenever they choose, even if it's a mistake, I don't think human autonomy exists without it for starters. But I do think the means matters up to a point, experientially.
Anonymous No.24596571
>>24594836
that video shows Bataille wasn't far off and pushing boundaries is part of human behavior, whether we like it or not
Anonymous No.24596583 >>24596830 >>24600594
>>24595007
Do you need to be as fucked up as Bataille to understand him?
Anonymous No.24596825 >>24596846 >>24596859
>>24596380
>Oh and to continue let me make clear I am 100% on board with assisting dying and everyone having the choice to end their life whenever they choose, even if it's a mistake, I don't think human autonomy exists without it for starters. But I do think the means matters up to a point, experientially.
Literally every weird person would just kill themselves and there would be no evolvement in society. It's loser shit, unironically. The moment you kill yourself is when you lose the game over "admitting" that you lost when you lost at something else. Can't you hear the silence?
Anonymous No.24596830
>>24596583
Acephale lives in all of us. Their sacrifice was successful. Bataille doesn't need to be understood, you can only masturbate with him.
Anonymous No.24596832 >>24596834
>>24593897 (OP)
This thread is very confusing. When I read the Story of the Eye in the eighth grade I thought it was very clear that the events depicted in the novel were not endorsed by the author.
Anonymous No.24596834 >>24596841
>>24596832
>I thought it was very clear that the events depicted in the novel were not endorsed by the author.
Oh let me be clear he endorses that shit
Anonymous No.24596836 >>24599277
>>24595752
> starts a ritual sacrifice club
> everyone volunteers to be the sacrifice
> no one wants to be the executioner
> club disbands
Anonymous No.24596841
>>24596834
woah. that's messed up
Anonymous No.24596846 >>24596871 >>24596914 >>24596995
>>24596825
Too ESL sorry, can't parse your point
Anonymous No.24596859 >>24596871
>>24596825
There's no game over, you're so gamerbrained you think "life is like a videogame!", stupid ESL
Anonymous No.24596871
>>24596846
>>24596859
ESL means he speaks 2 languages, while you apes can only do some autistic screeching sometimes. Suck our ESL dicks
t. speaks 5 languages
Anonymous No.24596914 >>24597597
>>24596846
>Too ESL sorry, can't parse your point
I read that thinking you were ESL until I realized you're being retarded instead. Go back to the sharty, your wigger homies love you
Anonymous No.24596966 >>24596995 >>24597213 >>24599642
>>24596248
Bataille sought a synthesis of Hegel's lord and Nietzsche's master. He wound up rejecting Hegel's notions that you still have to do things and thought that the opposite was some sort of subliminity that goes beyond anything you can do but decided that saying it would render the master a slave. This goes back to the op in the sense that it is once again difficult to take Bataille seriously, and his material can be entertaining so I don't mean this in a pejorative way. It is a gross misreading of Hegel though, and I've always associated Bataille to Nietzsche.

I haven't read Deleuze's core works yet but based on what I have read I'm inclined to say there might be a link between the 2 but there also seems to be a disconnect in the sense that neither wants to be the slave but both also want meaning. I highly recommend Kojeve, if you want to truly understand Hegel you have to do both and reach the synthesis on your own, the odds any given person has been the master for their entire life is slim to none, and realization is contingent on this, anything else is cope. The alternative is realizing it too late and being forced into Bataille's dilemma or trying to retroactively find the best possible slave morality only to realize the acquisition thereof renders whatever intrinsic material was acquired to be moot or at the very least lacking in relevance. At that point it is even more difficult to perform a balance and Derrida's refusal to agreement is your only option with Hegel but that does nothing for the contributor and means nothing to Hegel, or Nietzsche for that matter.

Both Hegel and Nietzsche's philosophies incorporate the natural state as normative. This is something to keep in mind when reading subsequent contributors.
Anonymous No.24596995 >>24597034
>>24596966
Work on your punctuation


I don't mean to be a snarky fuck, I'm >>24596846 and I see that got taken the wrong way too and I understand - I think it's to do with the limits of us discussing this stuff via internet text chat - but in both cases, some of you younger guys who grew up with Web 3.0 already the norm type your thoughts in a way where what you're saying would make decent sense spoken out loud, but you don't use enough punctuation or phrase your sentences in a way such that the morphology of what you mean carries over into text without the natural rhythm that's carried by intonation when speaking it aloud (or in your head, as you type). I know it makes me sound like an autistic wanker but especially across territories with radically different dialects and such, and in cases where we're discussing very abstract topics that involve pulling apart and constructing conceptual qualia, I reckon we have to get back into the habit of being more meticulous to avoid confusion in a way that hasn't been naturally engrained into us whilst being raised inside of a sickly culture.
Anonymous No.24597034
>>24596995
If you don't know anything, then stfu and go back to sucking dicks in your shitbox like the good bitch you are.
Anonymous No.24597110
>>24594868
nailed it. porn addicts are so easy to spot lol
Anonymous No.24597119
>>24594042
>least perverse frenchman
Anonymous No.24597213 >>24597290
>>24596966
Nietzsche literally ended philosophy. No need to say any more desu.
Anonymous No.24597290 >>24597917
>>24597213
The price of no agreements and thinking there is nothing more to learn.
Anonymous No.24597597
>>24596914
Is this nigga self replying?
Anonymous No.24597917 >>24598445
>>24597290
Cope
Anonymous No.24598445
>>24597917
And seetheth
Anonymous No.24598451
>>24593897 (OP)
>image deleted
you will leave one sentence bait OPs but on a fucking litearture board you cant handle a book cover with an ass
real mature
Anonymous No.24599277 >>24600507
>>24596836

Subs have always out-numbered doms at least 10:1, if not 100:1.
Anonymous No.24599642 >>24599747 >>24601590
>>24596966
>if you want to truly understand Hegel you have to do both and reach the synthesis on your own
With clarification that hegelian way of thinking isn't dialectical, it's adversarial. Hegel was forced to be an academic to appease retards. Hegel is to Stalin as Nietzsche is to his slutty sister.
Anonymous No.24599747 >>24600497
>>24599642
This is a bataille thread you idiot. At least we've been able to demonstrate why it's difficult to take bataille seriously, good work bataille anon. Go back to hedonistic excess, I don't mean the last part as a pejorative.
Anonymous No.24600497
>>24599747
>This is a bataille thread you idiot.
Slutty. Sister.
Anonymous No.24600507
>>24599277
That's only true with fags and women.
Anonymous No.24600594
>>24596583
You need to stop denying that you are fucked up
Anonymous No.24601590
>>24599642
bizarre take. i guess you've never read either, at all, beyond wikipedia summaries lol
Anonymous No.24601754 >>24604943
>>24596312
1) inner experience
2) guilty
3) erotism: death and sensuality
4) visions of excess (you can start that anytime though)
imo if you want to speedrun his shit, read visions of excess first. watching hellraiser, reading thus spake zarathustra by nietszche, and checking out freud’s essay “the uncanny” (pay extra attention to what he says about the eyes and castration anxiety. you may need to look up a brief synopsis on his theories about the id, ego, superego, and oral to phallic stages of psychosexual development to get a better understanding) will help immensely. i’m surprised no one’s freudsperged yet kek
Anonymous No.24601778 >>24602682
>>24593897 (OP)
Where should I start with Bataille.
Anonymous No.24601796 >>24602675
>>24593897 (OP)
not to moralfag too hard, but it’s because he’s absolutely disgusting, a lot of his writing is discombobulated drunken ramblings, he’s a massive fangirl of marquis de sade and freud, and his fanbase is largely edgelords with debilitating mommy issues and actual necrophiles and cannibals like issei sagawa. not a good look all around. i still love him, but i don’t think he even wanted to be taken super seriously considering that he became an atheist because they wouldn’t let him laugh at church.
Anonymous No.24602675 >>24602728 >>24603123
>>24601796
>absolutely disgusting
that's where the sacred is found
Anonymous No.24602682
>>24601778
This guy explains him pretty well
https://youtu.be/9CHrOUw8-ow
Anonymous No.24602728 >>24603131
>>24602675
I agree with the sense i'm getting from bataille but you really need a stable foundation to delve into the realms of ecstacy or else you betray your own desire by making it unsustainable
Anonymous No.24603123
>>24602675
true. no1curr but when i was a kid, i found god in feeding mice to my friend’s pet boa constrictor and watching their guts pop out their mouths. the fact that you can find the sacred in shit, blood, consumption, and intestines rocks
Anonymous No.24603131 >>24604932
>>24602728
i was about to say “there is no ecstasy without instability” but that’s exactly how i went off the deep end and got addicted to ketamine lmfao. “limit experience” or whatever.
Anonymous No.24604932 >>24606239
>>24603131
tard
Anonymous No.24604943 >>24606236
>>24601754
thanks bud, i'll proceed from the top, ive read zarathustra, about six volumes of freud and the essay on the uncanny, and seen the first few hellraisers
Anonymous No.24606236
>>24604943
yesss !!!! you’re very welcome. have fun.
Anonymous No.24606239
>>24604932
i know lol. i’m sober now anon
Anonymous No.24608112 >>24608484
'Seriousness' is tied to production, to utile works. Bataille's writing is an attempt at anti-production, ruinous and base.

His concept of the accursed share remains central and important. Everything in contemporary civilisation is reappropriated and recirculated to the point where we are terminally burdened with our wealth. Baudrillard takes off at this point. The overwhelming excess is propelled by inertia; zombie matter parades the earth and the only thing that awakens it is extreme terroristic violence, though in recent times this has been subdued and neutralised by the speed and abstraction of the media sphere.
Anonymous No.24608484
>>24608112
This. Read Franco Berardi.