Thread 24597124

>bro life fucking sucks, there are no moral facts and nothing matters and it's better to die as soon as possible and we should blow up this planet from outer space
>btw politically i am a socialist and i vote democrat and my short story small people IS NOT i am repeating IS NOT i am repeating once again IIIIISSSSSS NOOOOOOOOOTTTT about minority persons
>his forum is filled with the most woke """nihilist""" assholes ever
Thomas Ligotti is a chicken shit pussy like all pessimists. They literally pray for the annihilation of planet, they want TOTAL HUMAN DEATH and then try to larp as moral men.

Pessimists are worst than any genociadal tyrant because at least they want to save their own people.

>>24597124 (OP)
They have a gap in between each existential crises where they find the time to be emphatic for those in need and choose the left wing political party as the best choice from a two party system because both parties suck anyway.

Do you never feel the weight of the unknown infinite universe and then get a little nihilistic? Or do you just hold on tightly to the bronze age fairy tale stories for meaning?

>>24597124 (OP)
The answer to these guys is people like Girard and Eliade usually.

pessimists challenge creation. if people accepted everything to be perfect as is no one would invent anything or make art. but it's clear that it's far from being perfect, it actually sucks.

Nihilism is a product of a malnourished and dying brain.

>>24597188
Not everyone is murican you stupid cunt. My point is that pessimism is a reactionary and misanthropic philosophy, period! Both of these things are in total conflict with leftist ideology with its belief in human goodness and progress. Being a pessimist and wishing for the annihilation of universe is the most dark position that you can take. The silent message of pessimist literature is suicide. Imagine telling kids that they should kill themselves because there is no hope and life sucks and then finding your redemption in election, ffs. HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>24597196
How so?

>>24597206
Pessimism doesn't just challenge creation, it takes a huge shit on it. But some """pessimists""" backtrack and eat their own shit and find it morally good.

Emil Cioran that romainian manlet said that he feels no responsibility towards his readers and he also said that mostly most neurotics and miserable people read his books HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>24597124 (OP)
>why aren’t these people who write these long books retarded like me?

>>24597124 (OP)
You could ask the same thing of post-modern nihilism. In the end, it suggests fascism, not radical left politics, but it almost always heads towards leftist egalitarianism and victim worship, despite its patron saint Nietzsche saying quite the opposite.

>>24597239
Oh you stupid fucking idiot. Reaction has a long literary tradition. Never ask your pessimist comrades what they really think about human goodness, creation and progress or women.

I'm reading Songs of a Dead Dreamer right now but I'm bored out of my mind. Are his other books better or are they all so tedious?

>>24597252
His stories are great. I personally like Teatro Grottesco and Noctuary.

>>24597242
Fascism is also a progressive ideology.

>>24597211
No, you're definitely wrong. You eat American food, consume American music, and follow American celebrities. And if we didn't have troops on your soil you'd chimp out like a bunch of ingrate monkeys. When Hobbes was speaking of "the state of nature" he was more or less speaking of humanity devolving to a pre Anglo state of being. He was talking about you. You and your "people".

>>24597211
Basically, Nietzsche didn't go far enough into his idea of making one's own meaning, but rather we discover meaning that's already there through interpretation in light of pessimistic conclusions about meaninglessness of existence.

>why are pessimists leftists?
Because people are liars and cowards. Not everyone can be a Simone Weil

>>24597274
>And if we didn't have troops on your soil you'd chimp out like a bunch of ingrate monkeys.
I am not European

>You eat American food, consume American music, and follow American celebrities.
Nice projection but I don't.

>or less speaking of humanity devolving to a pre Anglo state of being.
Have fun getting out numbered by jeets. Weren't they Anglo's burden? Kek.

>>24597282
Not all leftist but majority of contemporary ones are.

I think pessimism entails being apolitical. Or a pretentious reactionary setting on a wooden chair, smoking a pipe and talking shit about everything.

>>24597211
>leftist ideology with its belief in human goodness and progress
I think you're too far gone mate.

>>24597315
Are you retarded? Leftists all over the world call themselves progressives. Fascism is also progressive. Both are two strains of Hegelian teleology.

hegel

>>24597324
I'm saying it's contradictory.

>>24597329
Yes. Go read Giovanni Gentile, the father of Fascism and Hegelian.

>>24597330
Pessimists like Ligotti also want euthanasia clinics from the government.

>>24597341
sounds more humane than being forced to work to death in a coal mine.

>>24597354
>humane
According to who? You? A sheltered faggot? Those coal miners would beat the shit out of you for preaching this euthanasia ideology to their kids.

>>24597370
you know what man you're right. enjoy working, making no progress, watching it all crumble, pretend like none of it's true. live a lie essentially and attack anyone who bursts your bubble.

>>24597405
>bubble
we all live in bubbles. yes even pessimism is a bubble. we are born in ignorance and we die in ignorance.

>>24597444
deep.

>>24597450
feel free to jump in it you kill yourself

>>24597468
hell nah I'm not a pessimist birds are chirping there's the sun. I will live forever.

>>24597475
based. we are eternal and lots of people report feeling eternal peace during their near death experiences.

>>24597480
this is the difference between the pessimist and the optimist. it's not that I wouldn't want that to happen, I don't think it will. while gullible optimist swallows it up and lives a lie.

>>24597495
Many people gave their testimonies of that experiences. Why would you deny their experience? keep sabotaging yourself by being entangled in these categories of pessimism and optimism. You follow one or the other like a religion. Just like christcucks won't listen to any opposing views so do you.

>>24597506
many people say they have shaken hands with god on dmt.

>>24597549
Which seems understandable. I was a pessimist 5 years ago. Now I don't care about labels.

>>24597495
The problem is that pessimism is just as a limited reality tunnel as all other but the fact that it think it knows about existence give it a heavy gravitas that makes it seem as a rational choice. Pessimism is close to the delusion of a depressed person or a psychotic. That is, its beliefs seems unshakable to its owner.
In the end, however, pessimism is a mental cage that is just as valid as schizophrenic delusions. It's a reflection of the mind of the pessimist, not a true appraisal of the real state of the world.
That said, I think the way out contemporary life is organized - society as a big factory with little time and money to enjoy life, with only a few getting enjoyment while others have to toil for pennies - may cause a spread of pessimist ideology due to its unbalanced and unnatural organization that cause people to feel mental anguish. In this case, pessimism is just the result of living in an unnatural society and a a reflection of the state of meaninglessness that such a society produces, not the real capital T true state of existence.

>>24597652
yeah man totally agreed, looking at this ephemeral world full of injustice and sickness, only a schizophrenic would think it's bad. it's just a delusion you know, whatever you're prone to think that's what you end up thinking. and capitalism too.

>>24597688
You're a part of injustice and why are you stealing oxygen from the patients struggling to breath? Why are you increasing the carbon footprint? Why don't you kill to reduce the global suffering.

>>24597703
ask god, he's the one created me and said I'd go to hell if I did it. I'm out of options.

>>24597124 (OP)
What's it called when someone errs more on the pessimistic side of things but still irrationally longs for some ideal to live for and devote myself to, as in taking on the challenge of life.
Like sure, the constant state of things is decay. Existence is a campaign between life and death, and life is losing. Surely it'd be better to put up a fight at least?

>>24597124 (OP)
>Detective Marty Hart: So... what's the point of getting outta bed in the morning?
>Detective Rust Cohle: I tell myself I bear witness. But the real answer is that it's obviously my programming. And I lack the constitution for suicide.

Any pessimist would kill himself immediately if he were truly philosophically honest

>>24597717
>>24597717
I am not a believer. You always have the option to kill yourself. No one is forcing you to stay alive and steal oxygen from the ill.

>>24597732
I am. so I never ever will.

it's about rejecting or accepting the gift of the structure of being, they reject it so they probably rape kids and are fags pessimism is just ingratitude.

>>24597820
Christ allowed his suicide. You are free to kill yourself.

>>24597124 (OP)
The Small People if they ever even existed were a fucking menace. TSD and THSD, the main character did nothing wrong
>>24597252
Seconding the other anon's recommendation of Teatro Grottesco. Ligotti really came into his own with that one. There's some classics on Songs, Christmas Eves with Aunt Elise stood out to me, but his best stuff's definitely in Grottesco.

>>24597912
> TSD and THSD, the main character did nothing wrong
Top kek

>Christmas Eves with Aunt Elise
That was one of the most trippy story I have ever heard. How does he do it? A total mindfuck. I was ready to suck Ligotti's dick. It's so damn good. What are your thought on it?

>but his best stuff's definitely in Grottesco.
What do you think about Noctuary?

>>24597124 (OP)
because they're cryptofascists, more or less
in the same way that mussolini and many others began as socialists but had their ideology warped by the horrors and violence of WW1
and they will remain cryptofascists because they lack the belief in any grand narratives which might motivate them to actualize their misanthropic ideas

>>24597851
christ was murderedn. you are free to seethe further but I don't advise.

>>24598084
>a christcuck pessimist
LMAO
Don't you believe in heaven?

>>24597926
When he drops the bomb that that wasn't his house, that was HER house, and now he's at the door is so good. That and Aunt Elise's monologue at the end, both in how it's written and how it's so weirdly believable that this selfish old woman would essentially steal his soul to relive Christmases
It's been a while since I've read Noctuary, probably should give it a reread. The only one I remember much of is Conversations in a Dead Language, which I liked.
You ever read the scripts for Crampton or Michigan Basement? I can see why neither of them ever got produced; in the X-Files version of Crampton Mulder and Scully don't sound like themselves, and the non-X-Files one doesn't really have enough to stand on its own. That said, I love the ending. Michigan Basement is alright, but definitely not him at his best. Hard to portray his kind of horror in a visual way.

>>24598091
>You ever read the scripts for Crampton or Michigan Basement?
No

But yes you're right Ligotti's fiction are not for film even he himself said that. He also said that the only story which can work is My Work is Not Yet Done which he wrote like a script.

>>24597124 (OP)
No pussy

>>24597239
I live in Minnesota. I wish we had the literary tradition that the South has.

>>24598077
Ligotti is a classic Midwestern Americana reactionary. But he larps as a leftist to save his prestige. His stories are about the fall of empire.

>>24597124 (OP)
>why are pessimists like this?
Because they turned their backs to God

>>24598419
god turned his back on creation. 6 days, and on the seventh he rested
he worked 6 days for this shite world and i have to live in it for thousands

>>24598430
That sounds like a rejected line from Trainspotting

>>24598350
Not all of us in the Midwest are as fatalistic as he is

>>24597688
Sure, you're right, but also exist in the world and society so you have a duty to change that through actions. Kant talked about acting as if its a moral law

>>24597260
>>24597912
thanks, friends. I'll try Teatro Grottesco next then

>>24597124 (OP)
>Why are pessimists like this?
>Homophobic?
They just take it up the ass figuratively

schopenhaur generally didnt care about politics. he said he was more concerned with the idea of eternity.
a true pessimist can never be a revolutionary or a terrorist, a pessimist is a person who sits on the side lines pointing out the negatives of life

The only leftist pessimist was mainlander and he justified it by saying shit like free education would turn everyone into a pessimist so leftism is good

>>24598479
you can't change anything in this world. best you can hope is not living a hellish life and that's a big question mark too.