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Anonymous No.24597205 >>24597321
Trouble With Being Born
>To have committed every crime but that of being a father
Anonymous No.24597321 >>24597351
>>24597205 (OP)
Is this book different from that other one? Better to have never been born or whatever it's called?
Anonymous No.24597333 >>24597351
what the fuck is that shit on the right
Anonymous No.24597351 >>24597360
>>24597321
Different guy here.
Better to never have been by David Benatar is a book that explains the thinks. Its like a normal philosophy book that explains a philosophy in normal text form.
Ciorans Trouble With Being Born is a collection of aphorisms. Both are antinatalist. But Ciorans doesn't really presents any real arguments in his book but just write excellent aphorisms about this pessimism and skepticism. To really understand it you need to have a basic understanding of the pessimists. Reading it feels more like a meditation on the pessimistic human condition.

>>24597333
fr. It looks like the bogdanoff twins.
Anonymous No.24597360 >>24597390 >>24597406 >>24597410
>>24597351
>Its like a normal philosophy book that explains a philosophy in normal text form.
Book for autistic logicbros. Imagine reason your way into pessimism. Gayest shit ever.

>Both are antinatalist.
Not Cioran you stupid troon. Fuck off that plebbit book.
Anonymous No.24597390 >>24597414
>>24597360
are you having a stroke?
Anonymous No.24597406 >>24597414 >>24601297
>>24597360
I never read Benatar but other pessimists who talked about his book. But pessimism still seems like to most logical stuff to me. What seems not logical about it to you?

Off course Cioran is an antinatalist. Wtf did you read to not think that. And no way I am a troon. I am transphob.
Anonymous No.24597409 >>24597429
Nihilism and antinatalism are the final truthbombs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CkYIEiRG5c
Anonymous No.24597410 >>24597419
>>24597360
what's your preferred way into pessimism, mental illness?
Anonymous No.24597413
A copy of Cioran has been the worst thing I've ever spent money on
>Have ideas about anything? You're fuckin Hitler bro
Anonymous No.24597414 >>24597424 >>24597471
>>24597390
Are you sucking a cock?

>>24597406
>logical
Then you my friend have no understood Cioran. He was an irrational thinker. Logic is mental castration.

>Off course Cioran is an antinatalist.
He was a moral relativist skeptic:

>We should repeat to ourselves, every day: I am one of the billions dragging himself across the earth’s surface. One, and no more. This banality justifies any conclusion, any behavior or action: debauchery, chastity, suicide, work, crime, sloth, or rebellion, … Whence it follows that each man is right to do what he does.

-Emil Cioran, The Trouble with Being Born
Anonymous No.24597419
>>24597410
I would say your own personal experience. I don't think mental illness is real.
Anonymous No.24597424 >>24597436
>>24597414
>Logic is mental castration.
okie, time to leave the thread.
Anonymous No.24597429 >>24599537
>>24597409
>truthbombs
Not such thing retard. Antinatalism tells other people what they should do. Cioran had no such ambition he was far too cook to give a fuck.
>Nihilism
Kek no. Cioran said that he was somewhere in between a theist and an atheist.
Anonymous No.24597436 >>24597467
>>24597424
Kek, Shestov, Dostoevsky Nietzsche, Pascal and Chamfort were the biggest influences on Cioran. They are all irrational thinkers. It is a modern disease that "logic"=being correct.
Anonymous No.24597467 >>24597485
>>24597436
yeah well my idol is ronald mcdonald and I think things happen for a reason. I guess I'm just a retard!
Anonymous No.24597471 >>24597485
>>24597414
>Then you my friend have no understood Cioran. He was an irrational thinker.
I get that. But Cioran doesn't represent the whole pessimism. He himself just wants to write to cope with being born and to make people think about his aphorisms. Thus he himself contradicts himself frequently.
Pessimism on the other hand is logical. I haven't found something where they contradict themselves.


>Cioran not antinatalist, but moral relativist skeptic
I don't see how the quote explicitly talks about his view on antinatalism.

>"Why bring into being a creature destined to suffer? To exist is to be condemned." (On The Heights of Despair)
Look at the quote OP gave. Look at the name of the book. It seems pretty obvious to me that he hates being born and doesn't want others to suffer the same fate. You can get this feeling in all of his works.

>Logic is mental castration.
>It is a modern disease that "logic"=being correct.
How? Care to explain your thoughts?
"A or not A is always true" seems pretty logical to me. That is just what logic comes down to.
Do you next want to tell me that Wittgenstein was wrong with his "The world is all that is the case." The truth is always logical.


And btw. A guy I argued with about Cioran maybe last week used to quote the same way you do with the same quote. Are you the guy that said Cioran wants to go around killing people and that he wants everybody to kill themselves?
Anonymous No.24597485 >>24597504 >>24597513
>>24597467
Based. Absurdity is the most sensible thing

>>24597471
Yeah, I don't want to "discuss" with you anymore. On logic please refer to pic related. All "logic" is a based blind belief. Wittgenstien was a total retard.
Anonymous No.24597504 >>24597513
>>24597485
>All "logic" is a based blind belief.
Doesn't make logic incorrect. 5+5 will equal 10 and you can deduce that "Cogito ergo sum".
I am sorry maybe I don't get what you are saying.

I won't answer you after this but please maybe explain your thoughts further. I want to understand
Anonymous No.24597513 >>24597989
>>24597504
Man I just asking you to apply this >>24597485 pic related method to any of your "logical" conclusions and it will show you that logic too is based on blind belief.

>2+2=4.
>But why it is that way?
>Because...because it is okay
All axioms are based of belief.
Anonymous No.24597532
>If just once you were depressed for no reason, you have been so all your life without knowing it. Becoming: an agony without an ending.The older I grow, the less I enjoy performing my little Hamlet. The desire to die was my one and only concern; to it I have sacrificed everything, even death. If History had a goal, how lamentable would be the fate of those of us who have accomplished nothing! On the frontiers of the self: ‘What I have suffered, what I am suffering, no one will ever know, not even I’. Events - tumours of time. Man secretes disaster. The secret of my adaptation to life? - I’ve changed despairs the way I’ve changed shirts. Each day is a Rubicon in which I aspire to be drowned.”
Anonymous No.24597534
Can someone post that interview in which Cioran said that mostly neurotics and miserable people read his books?
Anonymous No.24597989 >>24598000
>>24597513
You are a retarded person. You genuinely think you're a deep thinker, as well. ABANDON PHILOSOPHY AND READ TOLSTOY'S COLLECTED WORKS
Anonymous No.24598000
>>24597989
I don't want to read his moralistic shit that he wrote when his dick stopped working. He is a typical Slav. Lived his whole youth fucking whores, groupies, peasants, killing people in duels, gambling, chugging vodka, killing soldiers in wars, enjoying global fame and then suddenly becoming a born again christain at the ripe age of 52 and then preaching youth to castrate themselves.

Fuck that old man.
Anonymous No.24599537 >>24599699 >>24599760 >>24599919 >>24600000
>>24597429
>Antinatalism tells other people what they should do
No it doesn't. If you hear "X is immoral" and then that translates in your brain into "You can't do X" then you are the retard.
Anonymous No.24599699
>>24599537
When Person A encounters ambiguity (in speech or behavior) from Person B, the interpretations Person A makes are projections-manifestations of their own inner world, rather than objective truths
about Person B.
Anonymous No.24599760
>>24599537
He didn’t read the critique of pure reason it seems
Anonymous No.24599912
Does somebody know where i can listen to Cioran audiobooks for free? Youtube deleted my favourite ones.
Anonymous No.24599919 >>24601300
>>24599537
>No it doesn't.
It literally does. It say ALL life is bad. It doesn't acknowledge that many people have good lives. You say it is morally "bad" to have children you are making a value judgement and telling them that they are bad persons and they should not have children if they want to be morally "good". Fuck you moralistic trash.
Anonymous No.24600000
>>24599537
is–ought problem
Anonymous No.24600789 >>24600839
What does Cioran mean with "hatred preserves"?
Anonymous No.24600839
>>24600789
>You are done for - a living dead man - not when you stop loving but stop hating. Hatred preserves: in it, in its chemistry, resides the mystery of life.
Anonymous No.24601155
I don't get why people think it's okay to have kids.
Anonymous No.24601297 >>24602189
>>24597406
Funny, because trooning is at its best a response to philosophical pessimisim, it's treating your body as a sculptural toy to be played with
Anonymous No.24601300 >>24601329
>>24599919
>many people have good lives
parents have limited control over that, so when they have a child they cannot guarantee good lives or happiness for those children. having children is a cruel and selfish act
Anonymous No.24601301 >>24601329 >>24602440
Does anybody read his "notebooks"?
https://dustyhope.com/translation/emil-cioran-notebooks-1957-1958/#year-1957
Anonymous No.24601329 >>24601353 >>24602164
>>24601300
Now you're telling other people what to do. Thanks for proving my point.

>>24601301
Don't read the foid translation. Just use google translate.
Anonymous No.24601353
>>24601329
>foid
u wat m8?
Anonymous No.24602164 >>24603114
>>24601329
> Now you're telling other people what to do. Thanks for proving my point.
He ain’t wrong tho. You posting on a shady imageboard proves his point
Anonymous No.24602189
>>24601297
If one is a philosophical pessimist and ends up destroying his body because of this, he is indeed stupid. One should instead train and cultivate his body, because then he is able to directly cultivate his mind. The mind doesn't reside inside the body, but the body is the mind. Destroying your body with becoming and troon is equal to destroying your mind directly.
It doesn't matter if life itself is suffering. But it should be obvious that destroying your mind in such a way isn't a good thing.
Anonymous No.24602419
Is this the best summarization of Ciorans whole philosophy? Are there any other good works that try to compilate his thoughts?
Anonymous No.24602440
>>24601301
This retard uses chatgpt to translate Cioran and spams his content on plebscarepod, so you know he’s a retard
Anonymous No.24602779
>"I made a decision: Not to work. To live as a parasite. I never worked in my life. I never had a job, except for a year, in Brasov, as a high school teacher. And it was a complete failure. I realized I could not practice a profession. I have to wander around in life. To avoid any responsibility. I have to do everything in order to save my freedom. Freedom to not work in the proper sense of the world. All my life, I calculated how I can be free in a complete sense. Life is only worth living if you are free. I don’t want to be a slave in any way. This is the only absolute certainty that I’ve had in life. I don’t want to be subordinate. I can succumb to any humiliation. On the condition that I am free."
Based
Anonymous No.24603114
>>24602164
>Shady
Go back to plebbit subhuan