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Anonymous No.24608537 >>24608610 >>24609330 >>24609367 >>24609673 >>24612241
I don't get it
Anonymous No.24608610 >>24608836 >>24609318
>>24608537 (OP)
>Jews bad
>niggers basically retarded children but kind of amusing to be around
>freedom good
>France good
>Jews bad
I might have missed something
Anonymous No.24608836
>>24608610
I don't recall him writing about Jews at all in this one.
Anonymous No.24609318
>>24608610
>Jews bad
Based but Celine doesn't press the JQ in Journey. It's all in the subtext (the elite banker class who sent Europe to war).
Anonymous No.24609330 >>24609353
>>24608537 (OP)
Well it’s quite a journey, isn’t it?

What do you mean by not getting it?

Also what is this cover?
Anonymous No.24609353 >>24609467
>>24609330
>Also what is this cover?
I have the white one with the hand. Noticed that the horse is from this painting of Napoleon though
Anonymous No.24609367
>>24608537 (OP)
learn French
Anonymous No.24609467 >>24609672
>>24609353
I am not used to such experimental covers.
This is the German version
Anonymous No.24609672 >>24609736
what exactly did you not get?
>>24609467
fellow germanon, ive got me the same edition. I was intrigued because of the doors song end of the night, dont know anything else off celine or his contemporaries, but liked the book. Now comes a hot take that will probably fill some anons with a seething rage and the wish to behead me, but i think hes a proto-beatnik. Have been reading some burroughs and kerouac lately and thought that their topics and motives and way of living reminds me very strongly of celines character in journey through the end of the night. Just hurdling around from a to b to c, taking mindaltering substances, being promiscious and not worry about long time consequences. Even their way of expressing themselves has a lot of similarities
Anonymous No.24609673 >>24612068
>>24608537 (OP)
Probably because Max Lawton didn’t translate this book. The translation is inherently mediocre.
Anonymous No.24609736 >>24609775 >>24609809
>>24609672
I see where you’re coming from, but I would disagree. Many of the beat generation are much more nihilistic than celine. I’ve been reading the journey again lately and I’ve noticed the humane undertones a lot more. When I read Burroughs I was mainly disgusted and I couldn’t get much else out of him, apart from noticing that he’s a prolific writer, that’s lost on me due to the themes and style, but in celine there is much more under the surface which elevates him above the beat writers. Celine’s writing is passion for me while the beats write drug induced trips.
Anonymous No.24609775 >>24609809 >>24609907
>>24609736
burroughs was a nihilistic psychopath but his novels also have a lot going on under the hood
Anonymous No.24609809 >>24609932
>>24609736
>>24609775
i googled abit around because the question interested me, kerouac lists him as on of his favorites, and that fucking pederast ginsburg and burroughs meet him actually once in france, so yes that kinda confirms my suspicions that they are strongly influenced.
But i personally find celine way more nihilistic and bleak. He isnt as depraved and hedonistic as the beats, and that makes him way more sympathetic and thus harder to read. Im still entertained by burroughs and so, but dont feel an ounce of pity for them, they basically see the world as their playground and celine sees it more as a harsh darwinistic dog-eat-dog world, thats atleast the impression i got from journey through the eind of the night (but very subjective, because thats the only thing ive read by celine), so in that sense i understand why he feels way more humanistic, because he sees himself as part of the scum and bottomfeeders, the beatniks always had an aloof air to them, that they still thought themselves above the true bums but now im just ranting away, but feel free to disagree with me and give me different views to consider. i think i will read it again in the next months too
Anonymous No.24609907
>>24609775
To be fair I’ve only read naked lunch
Anonymous No.24609932 >>24610208
>>24609809
That the beat generation wasn’t influenced by celine was not my point. I wanted to separate them from celine in the way that the writing is (at least from my perspective) fundamentally different. I read celine in some sort of dialectical way. I think he reveals e.g. the dignity of his characters by attacking or destroying it in front of our eyes, and for me this is a very powerful method. I can’t say the same about the beat writers, but maybe I haven’t read them enough.
Anonymous No.24610208
>>24609932
have to read celine again, is too long ago that i read him, theres like a 4 year gap between reading him and the beatniks, so i dont remember his writig style that good and thus cant really contribute more to the disussion, but he came immediatly to my mind when reading the beats. But i will keep your post in mind when i pick up journey again (and that will be soon)
Anonymous No.24611431
What's to understand? It's mostly autobiographical.
Anonymous No.24612068
>>24609673
Go to bed, Max.
https://www.futuristletters.com/p/the-assassination-of-literature-by
Anonymous No.24612241
>>24608537 (OP)
How do you "journey to the end of the night"? What does that mean?