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>What is Web Novel General?
A general for readers and authors involved or interested in the growing phenomenon of 'web novels', serialized English fiction posted to websites such as: Royalroad, Webnovel, Scribblehub, Wattpad, Archive of Our Own, Spacebattles, HFY, various personal author websites, and more

>Why read web novels?
Not for prose or tight editing or deep themes, frankly. As a whole, web novels are infamous for content sprawl and pacing issues. If you enjoy having millions of words to sink your teeth into to get to know the world and characters, though, you may be interested. Keeping up with other readers on a weekly basis to discuss the story's events unfolding is another perk, in the same way discussing an ongoing TV show might be.

>Why write web novels?
Ease of access & potential for Patreon earnings. Many successful authors gain an audience on their website of choice and funnel their readers into a Patreon. See https://graphtreon.com/top-patreon-creators/writing for an idea of what some are earning.
Also, once an author has earned a fanbase, transitioning into an Amazon self-publishing career is several orders of magnitude easier than starting 'dry'.

> Advice for Noobs!

##READ THE FOLLOWING BEFORE ASKING FOR HELP##

Running your story like the business it is:
https://www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847

On writing webserials:
https://alexanderwales.com/how-to-write-a-web-serial/

Sanderson's Writing lectures 2025:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEUh_y1IFZY&list=PLSH_xM-KC3ZvzkfVo_Dls0B5GiE2oMcLY

Recommended web novels
https://rentry.co/d2yvczro

Anon's guide to success
https://rentry.co/RRBasicGuide

FAQ
https://rentry.co/pytefpxn

>>24609238 (OP)
>Cut off the READ THE PRECEDING
Grim

>>24609246
There were two notes saying it so I removed one. Maybe the bottom one should have been kept instead though. Next time you bake you can add more of them to spite me.

>>24609241
Search on scribblehub, if the story is good the author will also post it on RR.

What's trending these days that isn't RPG Lit?

>>24609262
Biggest trends aside from litrpg are things like isekai, portal/regression fantasy, xianxia, tower climbers and the likes.

>>24609238 (OP)
OP pic is unironically my favourite slopnovel

What's the best site for free haremslop?

>>24609329
Scribblehub

>>24609362
Holy shit the bar is so low. Are the paid ones on Amazon better?

>can sit down and read 100k word fanfics/web novels in no time
>get bored out of my mind reading normal fiction novels of lesser length
I just can't make myself care for any character in real books
my enjoyment of a book also correlates highly with how interesting and hot the main female character is in my eyes
however sometimes I will enjoy reading a book for the style and nothing else (cormac, nabokov)
is this fixable?

>>24609445
Nta but the issue I believe is that scribblehub attracts the crowd of people who want to write smut and aren't as interested in fanfiction like ao3. That's the niche the site fills. So you mostly get diehard gooners writing the billionth futa "yuri" novel. I don't read harem but you're probably best off with the Amazon stuff. Plebbit may unironically be the best place to look for more info unless we have a resident harem expert on hand. I believe /r/haremfantasynovels would be a place to start.

>>24609483
have you tried not being a coombrain?

>>24609490
I think the issue is something like that but I'm not even a porn addict I only jerk off once or twice a month. but the stories I choose to read usually appeal to me in a subtle fetish way (though not outright pornographic in nature)
I really don't know how to fix it. stop reading the stuff I enjoy and forcing myself to read boring books I don't give a shit about can't be the solution

>yet another "I'd like to share my thoughts with you" dm
I really miss when spam got straight to the point and told you to hand out the money QUICKLY

>>24609680
I got one too 2 days after posting my first chapter, the same thing. at this point just turned PMs off to save myself future disappointment

>>24609487
>I believe /r/haremfantasynovels would be a place to start
I have gone down this rabbit hole in the past. All of their recommended novels are full of soulless, hyper self-aware millenial writing. Scribble Hub WNs are somehow better despite their poor editing and ESL authors.

I asked AI to help polish up my writing and it's so much better than what I can do. The situation is grim. The scene felt so much more alive after the AI pass.

>>24609737
Be grateful you have room to improve. Any change the toaster suggests to my writing is only a clear downgrade.

>>24609737
I implore you to be extremely careful with copying AI edits word for word. once you edit a little more with it you will start to see how dull and repetitive it is.

>detected 0% AI
my writing has SOVL?

>>24609737
I tried this just now out of curiosity and it was offensively bad on my end. Is there a prompt I'm suppose yo use other than "Rewrite this"? Otherwise I'm taking this as one point for team humanity.

>>24609805
>write 5000 words of heartfelt sloppa
>15% AI use
BRB rope

>>24609445
seems like it's amazon or bust for harem

Thanks, Google Docky, very cool.

I waited for this correction with baited breath. I always held a deep-seeded belief that Google's common phrases dictionary was, for all intensive purposes, correct; but it seems it doesn't pass mustard when you test its metal.

>>24609942
Allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morels are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a six cents when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of morale righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the fax. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.

>>24609737
What I did was ask for examples in context instead, that way you learn how to write better. You get better really fast doing that as well.

>>24609993
can you explain what you mean? are you asking things like
"how would Robert E Howard describe really close fights?"

>>24610022
First I past the setting, then a page, then I'll just ask it how would you have written a dialogue between the characters about something else? Like what do they think about futanari elves?

>>24609983
>I have zero taller ants
Gets me every time

>>24609942
never in my life heard "another think coming"
another thing coming is what everyone uses in the US at least

>>24610095
https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/usage-another-think-coming-or-another-thing-coming
TLDR: 'think' is the correct way to say it, ackshully.

>>24610171
yeah, it's correct if we disregard entirely the fact that languages are shaped by their speakers

>normally write 2-3k even on a bad day
>today all spent after 900 words
It's unironically and overwhelmingly over

>>24610188
Some people do say "deep-seeded", and "doggy-dog world". Some of them are even native speakers. Do those expressions become the norm, too?

>>24610204
If they become widespread enough and persist through centuries, then yes. That's how it works.

>>24610198
>2-4k normally
Your bad day is like one of my best. If I go all out I'll reach 1.5k.

>>24610198
>500 when I get motivation
>Down from 1k daily from two months ago
At least my prose got better. Right?

>>24610204
IT'S DEEP SEATED AND NOT DEEP SEEDED?!

>>24610226
You can be deep seated on a futanari elf and get deep seeded

>deep seeded

>>24610226
Anon, if you plant your seeds too deep, they won't grow. That's a very useless plant, wouldn't you say? Why would a belief that's useless, that can't grow or produce anything, be a deeply held belief? But if you're deep-seated, you can't be easily dislodged, can you? Just think about what actually comes out of your mouth.

>>24610204
the thing is I've never even heard of "another think coming". its not used at all (from my personal experience). all of the other mis sayings I knew about

>>24610315
I'm pretty sure I heard Velma it in an old episode of Scooby-Doo.

>>24609238 (OP)
What should I do at this point?
I haven't released a chapter for 6 days.
All recent chapters were likely only read by web crawlers.
I could start releasing three chapters per week, but it might be too late for it, because the chance of RS is gone.
Other anons here say you should keep doing it at least for three months.

>>24610425
Namo Amitabha, Householder. It doesn't look like you follow the Precepts?

>>24609483
This is actually perfectly normal and it's because you can't identify with "normal" fiction (likely written over 20 years ago, in an entirely different society than we live in today (smartphones basically didn't exist in 2005, people still printed mapquest directions, etc). People in the 1950s didn't really identify with characters written in the 1800s, let alone the 1700s; that's why scifi took off as hard as it did. It put relatively contemporary characters in confusing over technologized settings and had them deal with the attendant problems.

I rather expect readers of the 1500s didn't really give a shit about characters written in the 1000s, as well.

Look at isekai: almost nothing that happens in Mushoku Tensei is anything that could possibly happen in real life. But readers identify with the main character because he's so rooted in how fucked up his life was before reincarnating: fat loser, bullying victim, fucked up mentally, no place in society, etc. Then you go to "regular" contemporary fiction and it's about some 30 year old overgrown brat woman living in the downtown of some megacity doing a fake job and dealing with entirely deserved impostor syndrome and a lack of competent men. Who the fuck identifies with that? Or it's about race or sexual orientation/identity or fetishized hillbilly-ness (oddly about people who then went on to ivy league schools and moved permanently to the DC area) and so on.

I lost the plot a bit but tl;dr contemporary fiction sucks and fiction in general has a shelf-life or relevancy for the current market of readers.

>>24610443
Anon had eyes but couldn't see Mount Tai, his ears were deaf for the words of his fellow. Leave him be to cultivate patience and diligence.

>>24610443
Yes, I know, know. I didn't know about precepts before I started.

>>24610456
this actually makes a lot of sense and I appreciate you taking the time to write it down

>>24610425
>side story already only a few chapters in
>appendix after chapter 2
Gonna be honest with you pal, this is a huge turnoff. Rather than labeling it a side story, just throw it in as the next chapter. Be more fluid with your POVs for the story.
>what should I do
Keep writing. You're getting some readers, just keep writing. Finish your story for the people who are interested. Finish it quickly if it's not as popular as you'd hoped. Sorry if you thought this would be your endless story like Sword Art Online that you could milk until retirement, but you'll have more ideas, don't worry.

>>24610456
I think you may be onto something there, I thought it was strange for Caravaggio to include contemporary clothing in his biblical paintings but it seems it was so that they were more relateble to the audience.

>>24610486
Fuck, forgot the pic

>>24610474
No worries man, I'm just here procrastinating because I would rather be reading/writing webnovel than preparing for my four hour drive ;_;
I do have Weakest Tamer Set Out on a Journey to Pick up Trash audiobook though. the audiobook is more boring than reading, uggggghhhhhh I hope the Eminence in Shadow audiobook is better or I'm boned

Also I'm on the verge of becoming a webnovel supremacist for contemporary literature. Yeah it lacks editing but it makes up for it in soul. And it's way more entertaining than any recent tradpubbed novels.

>>24610486
>>24610489
He was also a massive lighting-fag (I mean that kindly, somewhat). There are only so many textures in cloth and stone and dirt from the actual time and place of Jesus' wacky adventures, compared to Italy with it's metal armor, dark dungeons, and candlelight.

More than half the point of that painting is to show off how good he is at lighting and reflective surfaces. And he is good, for his time, but man does paintings of dark scenes with overly harsh yet faint point lighting and deep shadows get old, especially when the painting itself is overly and poorly lit so the oil on the canvas becomes too reflective and it washes out the painting because the fucking museum doesn't understand lighting and blocked my email address.

Literary-speaking, it's like how authors abuse purple prose to the detriment of their work. And also your point was 100% correct I just felt the need to let the tism flow.

I followed the Precepts
I recited the Tao Te Ching every day upon waking
I arranged my room in accordance with the principles of feng shui to create a favorable energy flow
I ate nothing but porridge and pickled cabbage for 21 days
I attained Golden Core I in Amazing Cultivation Simulator
I perceived the Bull

what am I still missing, venerable brothers?

>>24610480
>Rather than labeling it a side story, just throw it in as the next chapter.
I didn't really know if side story was even proper word for it.
Basically, in this context, the sidestory takes place 100 years before the main story, and has no characters from the main story (only their ancestors).
>Sorry if you thought this would be your endless story like
I didn't. This was never going to be my magnum opus. But I like to think it's like step 1 out of 10 towards it.
>You're getting some readers, just keep writing.
How do you know that?

>>24610490
I fully believe that Worm is a better version of Sanderslop, specifically the Sloplight Archive. Think about it. Consider it. Consider the mentally ill teenagers with superpowers trying to stop the encroaching apocalypse. Consider the fairies giving them said superpowers, consider the conspiracy of ultra-utilitarians committing atrocities to prepare for the said apocalypse. Consider how much how much the plot is driven by various characters with future sight interacting with each other. Also, a disturbing amount of words dedicated only to crustaceans. The only difference is that Wildslop knows how to write interesting dialogue, funny banter and great characters, especially women; while Brando Slopso knows how to do none of that.

>>24610515
If you need any more proof, consider this. Both slopmeisters tried to write a witty know-it-all with a cutting tongue who just loves putting others down, who has a penchant for subterfuge, who hides her true vulnerable self behind a mask of irony. Wildslop gave the world Tattletale, best girl ever to be put to text editor. Sanderslop created an abomination. Fucking Shallan. If the name alone doesn't drive you to despair, and a burning desire to skip to the next chapter, you are one of the lucky ones. I rest my case.

>>24610515
nta, it just really pisses me off how the inception of the story is the mc getting trauma from being shoved in a locker at school. it's just so fucking dumb and I can't take the story seriously at all

>>24610544
The inception of the story is multidimensional ayy lmaos arriving on Earth, actually. Also, inception of Sloplight is having the MC being a fucking slave. Also, if you want to be super technical about it, it's not the fact that she got shoved into the locker, it was realizing that nobody gave enough of a fuck to pull her out.

>>24610510
Hows your Tai Chi routine going?

>>24610544
it never came off as stupid to me, pretty reasonable trauma event for a 15yo girl. you can make anything sound stupid when you strip it down to a reductive summation, it was a culminating event of years of bullying and helplessness

>>24610568
being a slave is a bigger issue than getting bullied by some mean girls, plus her dad cares about her a lot

>>24610585
Also, this. I remember trying to read it way back when, back when I was a 15-year old highschooler myself, and then putting it down on the first few chapters because some of the shit was hitting a bit too close to home.

>>24610456
>But readers identify with the main character because he's so rooted in how fucked up his life was before reincarnating: fat loser, bullying victim, fucked up mentally, no place in society, etc.
personally i dont care for webslop with pathetic loser protagonists. or worse the "ball of social anxiety" types.

there's plenty of shit with generic op self insert good at everything chads

>>24610592
Kaladins dad also cares about him a lot, plus he's got a living mom. Also, being a slave is a lot less likely to have happened to you, the reader, than having been bullied. The villain that kicks a puppy is often much more hated than the dark lord out to destroy the world. To keep with the Sanderslop as an example, Sadeas was a whole of a lot more hateable than Odium, even though a wrathful god is a lot more serious than a corrupt politician that doesn't give a shit about people working under him.

>>24609757
The gap is so large it feels insurmountable.
>>24609789
I understand. I don't want to use AI for this in the first place. I would like to be able to write like that myself.
>>24609839
I'm probably just so bad at it that the AI is an improvement. I asked the AI to analyze my text and add flavor to it.
>>24609993
My feeling is that I have to write down what the AI write word for word. I think if I do that enough I might naturally start adding flavor like that to the text myself.

I'm the retard from the previous thread with the bland dragon post.
>>24609993
I'm not really sure how that would help. Isn't that similar to just reading a novel?

>>24610515
Superpowers turn me off. It should feel exactly like fantasy does, but somehow when it involves superpowers I completely lose interest.

>>24610631
Do you like reading? How many books have you read? What's your favorite book of all time, who's favorite author?

>>24609983
>my mother's mating name
I'm going to find a way to slide this into my story. It's so fucking funny.

>>24610637
I don't normally like capeshit either, so I know what you mean. But Worm is just built different, I feel like you're really missing out.

>>24609262
What's wrong with RPG lit? It's peak fiction. Webnovels were built for it.

>>24610510
Divine an auspicious day and choose it for the release of your scripture

>>24610513
There aren't 173 bots reading your first chapter anon. You have to believe. Consistent uploading DOES result in readers and followers.

Would it make sense to change the title when I'm nearly two volumes in? I feel like it's too generic and makes finding it much harder than it needs to be. It's called 'The Dragon and The Author'.

>>24610702
too generic
should have called it something cool as fuck like
[wordsmith draconia]

>>24610700
>Consistent uploading DOES result in readers and followers.
Why?

>>24610722
Because it tells people you aren't going to flake and throw away the time they invested into reading your work.

>It's Serialized

>>24610729
is that common on RR?

>>24610706
See, that's the thing. I agree. I'm wondering if I can still pivot since I'll still have one more volume to write, or if I should just suck it up till moving it to Amazon after it's done.
>>24610738
Very. RR has a lot of abandoned stories. Readers getting burned is what makes them wary of new stories or inconsistent scheduling. Being upfront about your uploading habits and any alterations to said habit is important for that reason.

>>24610770
Well, if they were nicer, authors would burn out less.

What is a man without the light of the Precepts?
What is a man without the daily manifestation of scripture?
What man may ascend amongst the stars if he doesn't humble himself within the temple of his mind?

>>24610773
Nah, I guess most authors burnout because of the word requiriment, most writers manage something like 300 words per day, but most expect web novel authors to post 3~10k a week.
Most can't manage and drop.

>>24610862
That's false. Most authors burn out because they start a story without thinking things through, and without having a big beautiful backlog. They have a kick-ass character they came up with, maybe a cool fight scene they're working towards in their head, but once that initial excitement for a new project wears off and they're in the grind phase, they just can't take the heat, and have no clue how to advance their story.

>>24610936
>TFW my slop is just a way to showcase weird architecture and UIs

How the fuck do I write? Whenever my fingers touch they keyboard, and I try to write down whatever ideas I have going on in my head, it's like I lose 30 IQ points and can't articulate anything cohesive

>>24610975
stop trying to write perfect or good or coherent sentences
turn editing mode off in your brain when you're getting shit on page

>>24610975
>it's like I lose 30 IQ points and can't articulate anything cohesive
Then articulate things that aren't cohesive until they eventually are. Writing is no different than other hobbies in the sense that you will start off bad and that unironically practice indeed makes perfect. I think many people go into it judging themselves harshly because they use language all the time in their daily lives and think they should be good at writing by default. This isn't really the case. If you can explain what issues you're having with articulation someone can probably provide more useful advice.

>someone mentioned they wanted to read a god WN
>tfw been grinding theology for a couple days now
Lol
LMAO

New FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist' chapter is out.
Today: Jacques VS The Mold Kingdom.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story/chapter/2492555/martial-critique-part-six

Is it too late to do the patreon thing or am I cooked

>>24611038
I'm that anon. Just caught up with the most recent chapters of RE: Deity. I really like seeing all the different creator gods and their different perspectives on how a universe should work. I need moar god stories. This subgenre deserves to expand.

>>24611047
A story just over a month ago went from $0 to $21,000 a month. As long as people continue reading it will never be "too late".

>>24611055
Didn't mean it that way, some anons where talking about making one before they changed the rates. I was asking if it's too late to do one now with the 'old' ones before they change it

>>24610641
>Do you like reading?
Yes.
>How many books have you read?
Several hundred. I don't think this helps though. Detailed descriptions kind of just pass me by. They typically don't affect my own writing.
>What's your favorite book of all time, who's favorite author?
Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir. I really like the science focus without the obvious villains you would normally get in stories like that.

>>24611067
Ah I gotcha. See pic rel.

>>24611067
dunno what time zone counts
still worth a try

>>24611047
You might be able to make it if you do it in the next 20 minutes. The page mentioned that Monday is included and it's still Monday in Britain (UTC+0). You might even have a bit of extra time if Patreon uses American days like Google does (but I don't know if they do).

>>24611074
Oh nevermind I see the issue. You're asking about the timezone. If they are using UTC as mentioned in pic rel you should have around an hour and twenty minutes.

my account was deactivated and I can't sign in anymore

>>24611148
Royal Road?

>>24611164
no, patreon.

>>24611148
owned

You know what, I'm indecisive.
How do I write her?
>a) Spunky tomboy
>b) Bitch who is only kind to MC
>c) other

>>24611226
A and B with a secret C side she's embarrassed about.

I actually managed to churn out 55k words during the Writathon (most of them in the last week) but it's been 3 months since my last update and I barely cobbled together 15k.

Fellas I'm fucking dying over here.

>>24611246
>Joining the Writathon while leaving your fiction to languish
Why?

>>24611261
The writathon was for the same fiction.

>>24611265
Ah, ok, got it. Well, RIP anon, take a nap or something.

You guys like chink shit? I'm enjoying Unsheathed. Caught up to the translated chapters recently.

>>24611410
i can't read translations, the sentence structure is too unpleasant

>>24611413
I don't have much experience with them, but I find this one okay. If the translator is an ESL, it's not blatant.

>>24611410
I desperately wanted to like Unsheathed. I just can't stomach it.

>>24611440
It does take a while to get going.

>>24611447
How long a while? I think I stopped reading when he sees the cultivators on the bridge with the deer.

>>24611226
Bitch who only reveals the kind, spunky tomboy side of herself to those she trusts (like the MC)

I've made my writing exercise a little easier. Instead of trying to describe an entire scene I try to rewrite a bland sentence.

>The knight walked down the hallway into the office.

>Me:
The knight marched towards the oaken door, sabatons clinking on the marble floor. His polished breastplate gleamed in the afternoon sun hiding the many scars of battles past. He knocked on the oaken door, grim determination on his face, and entered without waiting for a reply.

>ChatGPT:
"The knight strode down the dimly lit hallway, his armored boots clanking against the stone floor, before pushing open the heavy oak door and stepping into the office beyond."

AI combining both:
>"With grim determination etched across his face, the knight strode through the dim corridor, his breastplate catching slivers of the afternoon sun. His sabatons clinked rhythmically on the marble floor as he reached the oaken door, gave a measured knock, and stepped into the office beyond."

I wish I didn't suck so much. How long did it take you guys to get better?

>>24611505
A lot of it is worldbuilding and vibes. They introduce early shit that will come into play literally hundreds of chapters later. It takes about 80 chapters for the MC to leave the village and he only has about two big fights in it, because he's severely underpowered compared to most of the cast. He then makes a trip and starts leveling up, but is still aided by other people along the way. I'd say it only started to get "really good" for me on his trip back, when he tags along with one of the best characters, a guy who's comically evil but forced to obey him. After that he starts cultivating properly and the novel becomes him traveling around getting into mostly unconnected adventures with a revolving cast.
Also, the animated adaptation is actually pretty decent if you wanna give that a try instead. "Sword of Coming" on youtube. When I started reading the novel I was watching it alongside, so maybe that's why I stuck with it.

>>24611525
hm
yeah I'm thinking this one, this will work

>>24611532
5+ years, but I didn't start vigorously pick up reading until tail-end of 2023 with FH's Dune saga. I like to think between finishing chapterhouse and starting thereafter on Iliad at the beginning of this year I improved tenfold than where I was starting out in 2019/2020 when the only series I was reading was the shitty TL for Tanya the Evil. And I'm still hot garbage at writing still, though. ganbareyo.

>>24611554
Reading doesn't seem to help me at all. It's like the detailed prose just washes off of me as noise.

>>24611585
It really helps if you don't read amateurly written webnovels, LNs, or chink stuff or at least don't make it a major part of your literacy diet. You can if you want to but it bleeds into your writing for often the worst and readers(really, the snobbish litanon) will pick up on it right away. But the funny thing about this for the opposite argument is the average sloppers (not just on RR—spacebattles and scribblehub too) don't care too much about bad prose or really just bad writing in general because they're too invested in the story to care. Reading isn't magically going to make your writing too apparent you're improving. It's a very, very subtle thing. What you read matters a lot(like avoiding the aforementioned). For what it's worth your personal example not withstanding the chatgpt excerpts are fine and better than the usual /wg/ or really most ameatur stuff I've come across. Hang in there. You got this. Also, try not to rely on chatgpt at all because it will spoil you and ultimately you will never learn or grow this way.

Is Honeyfeed any good?

any advice for better differentiating character speech/voices? my characters kind of sound the same.
also how do you know when there is too much dialogue in a chapter?

>>24611673
It's about as relevant as Quotev. MAL has collabs with them every so often but I usually forget it even exists until it gets brought up and I forget about it again, ad infinitum.

>>24611736
>any advice for better differentiating character speech/voices? my characters kind of sound the same.
I'm not a good writer by any means, but I find that having a solid idea of a character's personality helps; if they are nice for example, they would sound compassionate and not be straight on honest. A badass warrior wouldn't describe something as 'cute', and so on.
Remember that they have emotions and internal conflicts, information unknown to them, relationships and so on. They don't just exist to be the mouthpiece of the author.
>also how do you know when there is too much dialogue in a chapter?
As long as you aren't being boring I would say. Boring is pretty much always bad.

>>24610631
>My feeling is that I have to write down what the AI write word for word. I think if I do that enough I might naturally start adding flavor like that to the text myself.
What a retarded plan. Just copying text isn't going to teach you to think about what works and what doesn't.

Go reread some of the books you like and focus more on deeply analysing passages, think about why the author chose the words they did.

>>24610965
>weird UIs

>>24611930
I'm just imagining him autistically describing a UI in the middle of his story now.
>The box has rounded corners and an aero theme
>The minimize button is on the right side instead of the left
>The title bar is 50px tall
>The font is sans serif
>There are five options to click on the left-hand side and a cool fire animation that plays when you hover

>>24611736
Give them accents or other speaking quarks.

>>24611736
dont give them accents or cheap quirks that's noob bait
give them distinct personalities and put them in scenarios that force them to reveal their character (which is any good scene) and you will be incapable of having them speak the same

>>24611970
>dont give them accents or cheap quirks that's noob bait
Anon, this is the webnovel thread. Readers appreciate simple things like that because it means they don't mistake who's talking and waste the half a second it takes to process who is actually speaking.

use different speaking tones/patterns. Blunt. Verbose. Terse. Hesitant.

simply have 0 speaking role companions and replace all dialogue with number go up blue box slop

>>24611979
readers appreciate good writing even in web novels. distinct personalities make for distinct dialogue, not tacky quirks or accents
you should aim for good writing so if you fall short you have okay writing. deliberately pursuing bad practices because theyre common in web novels is ludicrously bad advice

Gave pic related a look and it has some solid advice all around. Would recommend if you have KU or don't mind pirating.
>>24611970
Accents and quirks are good in moderation. Overusing them gets annoying, but what doesn't?

>>24612016
>Accents and quirks are good in moderation. Overusing them gets annoying, but what doesn't?
Sure. but they arent how you get enjoyable distinct dialogue as a base rule, which was the advice I replied to.

>>24612016
who the hell is ra Paterson lol
you can find advice from actual successful web novelists in a dozen long form guides why do you guys listen to quacks like this

>>24612020
Oops, didn't see that. Yeah, I agree with you there. They're more like a spice and provide a nice flavor or accent to the substance of the dialogue.
>>24612025
I liked the breakdowns of the various subgenres and the differences between regional preferences.

>>24612046
>I liked the breakdowns of the various subgenres and the differences between regional preferences.
how do you know his breakdowns are at all accurate? he's just some random fucking guy lol. he's Billy Bob the grocery store attendant telling you how to get rich

>>24612016
>has some solid advice all around
Just torrented it on MAM. I will be the impartial judge and absolute authority of if its quackery or not.

When will you people learn? All these writing guides boil down to
>make it interesting, not boring
Paraphrased in ten trillion ways to fill out a 200-page book, but never burrowing any deeper than that into what does it actually mean to be interesting.

>>24612106
Okay there's just no way I'm reading all of this. I skimmed through the most applicable sections. It's very very generic. Like painfully so. It is as if you distilled japanese light novels into the most very predictably boring settings with boring tropes imaginable.

e.g. The humans are racist, the nobles are assholes, the demon lord is the bad guy. Oh and there are knights, dwarves and elves!

He provides some basic templates for different types of stories and arcs. All of which are once more generic but could help someone who hasn't ever read a single fantasy story before. One thing he does that's annoying is saying 'the system' when he quite literally means the setting and things existing in the world. He claims that all popular web fiction almost always have a cheat. That cheats are good because they let you deus ex machina, skip boring parts of a story and are somehow 'unique' which are shitty reasons in my opinion. He says some things that are quite true about web novels like them typically pandering to wish fulfillment and readers wanting fast pacing. A glance at the titles of popular web novels would have told you this. He doesn't ever really refer to any western web fiction directly, mostly Japanese and Chinese stuff. He claims writing simple characters makes them more relatable. No, it puts me to sleep is what it does.

I personally wouldn't recommend this to someone. It reads like a guy that read a dozen Japanese light novels thinking he can give advice on writing one. If you follow his advice to the T you will have a painfully generic story, which he claims is good by the way. His words were 'unoriginally is a goal'. Asking ChatGPT would probably yield better results.

4/10 because someone on earth may find parts of it useful.

most writing guides are shit (except the ones I endorse)

if you want to be original then you shouldnt rely on any guides.

The "Next Chapter" button just turned grey. What the fuck am I supposed to do now. It's over.

>>24612243
read something else duh

>>24612243
Don't worry, I'm gonna post a new chapter today as well.

>>24612240
I disagree with this line of thinking. Worthwhile guides and theories are more concerned with (and can massively improve) matters of execution. You can see their ideas embedded even in the most original works. The writers have just hidden their working which, in itself, is part of good execution.
It goes without saying that shitty guides will stifle creativity/originality/execution which is why "most writing guides are shit" is the more useful heuristic.

been craving writing a flash fiction again. Has anyone ever read an extraction kind of story like Escape from Tarkov? I've been thinking of making a sci-fi one inspired by the tech/aesthetics of the Tarkov clone Marudar. As big as that genre came to be, I'm surprised it's something that hasn't become mainstream as litrpg. Is the formula not good for a longer narrative I wonder? probably better off as a short story or microfic

>>24612398
I have played Marauders, enjoyed it when it first released for a few weeks. Shame the devs ruined it. A diesel punk sci-fi extraction looter could be fun to read though.

There's an "extraction roguelite" on rising stars right now. Haven't read it and don't know if it's any good but it might interest you.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/124235/die-trying-a-roguelite-extraction-litrpg

what about a Harem... System©?

>>24612485
with semen Extraction?

My Tomboy Collection System™

>>24609983


Hey guys, I know I am seeing a lot of back-and-forth on this topic, but I really need to push back and raise some red flags here. Some of these phrases are foundational to our ability to drive efficiencies in a corporate landscape. Sure, some are just boilerplate solutions, leveraged to the hilt and really only keeping us at a 30,000-foot-view of things. Others, however, really allow us to get better granularity, find better directional-indicators, or loop back and dive deep into some critical issues on a go-forward basis.

I think if you all start using more of these phrases, you'll find yourself trending toward the positive, but you'll have to keep an eye on the puck. Gut through it, reduce thrash, and let's stay in lock-step on this. Yes, we will synergize!

What's the root cause of the hatred of Corporate speak? I'll put my layman's hat on and guess that it comes from movies such as Office Space and Dilbert cartoons. But we all know that these phrases allow us to touch base in a much more efficient manner.

I have to time-box this comment, as I have a hard-stop in a moment when I will have to jump onto a call. So, just one more point that I want to cover-off on: let's socialize the idea of speaking with more corporate-speak and loop back to see whether we're being more impactful. From a management standpoint, I think that we can get the traction to do it.

So, net/net, ignore the naysayers, sidebar the folks that are stuck in the weeds, and don't waste cycles or bandwidth on folks that don't align strongly with this mission. Try it out, and we'll have another touch point in a little while to see if we've moved the needle.

If you need me, I will be online again in a bit.

>>24612538
Let's cycle back to this comment later, anon.

>>24611532
While you still need to practice, I think you are falling into a common trap

(or at least it's just my opinion, you are free to ignore me, like you I have still much to learn)

> The "Me:"
While description are good, you are adding nothing to it, just description
There barely any tension until you directly write "grim determination" which is the only indication that this is supposed to be a tense moment.

Make the decor elements and the knight set the "tension"

Also what is the reason for starting at this exact point and location in time? (A question you need to ask yourself for each and every scene you write)

> The "chatgpt":
Just a description and totally missed the point of keeping the barely present tension of the original
But to be honest, the problem probably comes from your prompt (the point is giving clear instruction, not vague "rewrite X") and using chatgpt instead of Claude Sonnet 4 (but after some time you begin to understand that AI are more and more limited as you progress to the point of becoming a liability)
About this version by itself, if you think it's "ok", then you better off getting rid of it and starting from where the knight is inside the office

> The "combination" :
The best version, but too long. You better off editing your first version, or streamline this combination version

>>24612192
That being said: There's writing guides about outlining and writing faster.
Those are not just useful but vital.

>>24611944
Kek I wish I was that autistic.
>>24611930
A queue that lets you pick a number by plucking a leaf from a holographic bush.
That kind of thing.

>>24611532
>How long did it take you guys to get better?
About a year but it requires ingesting narrative writing nonstop.
Read on commute.
Watch movies on Fullscreen.
Listen to audiobooks while showering.
Cut podcasts, summaries, Reviews etc.
Also, Copyright free material is better because it's from a much slower and more deliberate era.

>>24611214
Appeal it, wait a few days, or make a new one but be careful with the info.

>>24609737
Oh wow. Must suck to suck.
>>24610975
A pottery teacher split his students into two groups. To one group he said, "I want you all to make one perfect vase." To the other group he said, "I want you to make 10,000 vases. Dont worry about quality." The perfect vase group, after a year of honing their craft, were still shit. The 10,000 vase group, who hit their quota in a year, became masters at their craft.

>>24612618
i tried to log in when I heard about the changes, but since the account had been inactive so long I got pinged for suspicious activity. I sent them a message, they asked me for more info, I provided that and haven't heard back and now the account is deactivated.
might have to make a new one.

>>24612668
>teacher sabotaged half his students
all educators must die

>>24612681
calm down Mao

>>24612603
Telling somebody to write fast never made them write any faster and outlining is a fucking meme

>>24609942
>>24610095
Google docs is employing AI usage by examining docs written by other people if I recall.
Through that, "common think" becomes a common phrase since many people make that mistake.

>write fanfiction
>can very easily crack out over 5000 words in a single session, have multiple completed works
>been wanting to convert one of my fanfiction concepts to an original web novel given how it was primarily focused on original characters already
>struggling to even get this off the ground due to not having an existing world to fall back on
Should I be consulting world building general, or would it be better to just power through and write a complete story, and then go over it again to turn abstract world ideas into more solidified ones?

And for clarification, the fanfiction concept I'm converting into a webnovel is a Harry Potter 'wrong boy who lived' type narrative. A lot of the popular amateur works I've seen had already been similar to tropes I found there, and I figured mine would offer a unique flavor since it's a bit deconstructive (its perspective character is the preferred twin rather than the Harry Potter type). Even in its fanfiction days I had given it a Japanese WN structure, very derivative of works in that realm with a 'volume' structure, and each 'arc' is focused on one individual character and how their issues and personality reflect the main character.

>inject a new side character to make the scene seem more alive
>the character gets more involved in the events than planned
>story derailed again with a new subplot
discovery writing strikes again

>>24612720
do the least amount of worldbuilding you can reasonably get away with.
your story should be interesting and compelling even without all the worldbuilding lore stuff. it can add richness only when the story already has its own legs to stand on

>>24612720
Harry Potter works on account of essentially being a literary theme park. Its fascination comes from the vivid playfulness of the scenery not the intricacies of the machinery behind it.

>>24612698
you're thinking of pol pot

>>24612720
the best worldbuilding is emergent from the story you're trying to tell, which then builds on itself through "the adjacent possible"
what sort of arc is your character going through? what types of characters will he meet? when you add the usual trappings of your genre along with elements you want to subvert, you end up informing yourself of the type of worldbuilding you need to tell your story
E.g.
>you know you want to tell a magic school story
>you love monster hunter
>you want to tell a story of a slacker becoming a responsible leader
>you want him to be ideologically challenged by snobby nobles and hardy bumpkins alike
>you now have an idea of a class divide, giant monsters roaming the land as a backdrop for your school setting
>students attend to learn special abilities to hunt these giant monsters; maybe they get sorted into different Houses/Lodges based on xyz factors
this might be enough to get started. as you write, you'll come up with major and minor noble families, why certain areas are poorer than others, what the government's role is in all this or whatever. Without a story you want to tell, you'll just end up brainstorming a pointless wiki of trivia

>>24612799
>why certain areas are poorer than others

>>24611922
Typing out the text will make me remember it far better than reading it. Don't you remember school? You remembered things that you wrote down yourself far better than anything you merely read.

>>24611649
I'm using ChatGPT for learning. This is a writing exercise where I take a bland sentence and try to add more detail and flavor to it. Then I can get an alternate version from the AI and an improved version of what I wrote. I'm not actually using any of it. They are just random bland sentences I'm trying to blow some life into.

My plan is to keep doing these for a while until I feel like I've improved.

I've read quite a lot of books but it's true that the quality of the prose is typically poor.
>>24612598
>Make the decor elements and the knight set the "tension"
This is great. Thanks.

It's not supposed to be the start of the scene. It's a writing exercise to make a bland sentence/description less bland. If it were up to me I'd make the entire story
>The knight marched into the office.

>>24610425
Okay anon, you need to organize you chapters. You can change the order and create separate volume, and you need to do it now.
>ch1
>ch2
>APPENDIX
>ch3
>SIDE STORY ONE
>SIDE STORY TWO
>ch4
>SIDE STORY THREE
Are you fucking with me, man?

>>24613066
I was going to do different volumes after there was more content.
This is how they are organized to the reader.
Do I still need volumes?

>>24612243
embrace the pit of desire within your heart and start backlogging. write exactly what you want to read

>>24612926
Remembering the specific words chosen for one situation is worthless. What you need to remember is the decision making process, and by blindly copying you make zero decisions.

>>24612549
average female vs average male level of emotional connection

Guys, would a novel about spessmen from USA and Russia on the ISS watching the world burn in the fires of nuclear war in the year 2028 of our Lord a sci-fi, or a litfic?

>>24613324
could be either depending on execution
such a banal question bores me. ask another!

>>24613355
Would they, like, start punching each other; or realize that all these divisions we draw are just imaginary, and we're all human, and we need to work together to prevent the planet from going to shit? Also, how the fuck do they get back down to the planet without resupply? And where do they go?

pro artists are too damn expensive
amateur artists are too damn amateur

>>24613368
>how do they get back down
The ISS has soyuz capsules capable of ermengency landing on earth. Best place to go would be Argentina and Chile. I've seen fallout maps and they always seem to be in the best spot. Probably due to all the world powers being in the northern hemisphere.

>>24613418
>amateurs are too damn amateur
You are writing a web novel, you don't need anything more. Also, you can pay some southeast asian a pittance for decent art. Them lil niggas do it for so cheap. I don't know how an amateur artist in the west can even compete at their prices.

>>24613438
>You are writing a web novel, you don't need anything more.
maybe not need, but i want it
>Also, you can pay some southeast asian a pittance for decent art
how do you find them? the ones who have professional quality pieces like what you'd find in a major game's splash art

>>24613455
>how do you find them
https://vgen.co/
https://skeb.jp/
Twitter

>>24613473
skeb isn't a commission site, you can't get revisions and shit. that's what it said when i looked through
vgen is literal hordes of amateurs, i didn't find a single good artist there
twitter has the actual pros but you just have to click between artists and their retweets, and most of them don't even take commissions

Okay guys. A litrpg system apocalypse as an allegory for nuclear war. Think about it.

>>24613534
I did, wat nao?

>>24613539
So, what is the equivalent of splitting the atom inside the System?

>>24612676
This is why I have four

>>24613533
I don't think anon can afford professionals. Best he can do is find amateurs that are on the cusp and from non first world countries.
>skeb isn't a commission site
Wrong.

>>24613556
It's fucking magic, it can be any made up bullshit you want it to be.

>>24613418
if you got an ai reference, I can draw and fix it for you for the small price of a 5 rating

>>24613613
Jesus anon, just link it if you want a rating so badly.

>>24613619
just offering, I'm not pro enough to demand money

>>24613418
go on funnyjunk and send dosmil a PM with your request
I am not joking

>>24609238 (OP)
In "On Writing".
Stephen King his motherfucking self was the first credible big writer I looked up to and read as much of his shit as I could get my hands on that said it. I really don't write these 1,000 plus page novels by any outline. I consider the outline process of writing itself to be the means to production of formula writing schlock. I know all the creative writing professors at all the colleges say to use the holy outline. But i don't.
>
So my hero when I was a little kid said that. When I decided I was going to attempt a personal novel project on the strength of a real writing student that edited the college experiental literature rag? Privately raving that I was was providing a better short story then most of the submissions she regularly sorted thru for inclusion in the rag she ran. I "pantsed" (as you youngfags say these days, lol) my way to...
>
Glory? Hardly. I made every newbie writing mistake *Possible* and I bet a few extra on top. Project was awesome first chapter, went good, good, great in places... juvenile but workable action novel. Then? 200 pages of what the fuck I lost the tiger's tail.
Whe I circled around and *tried* after lots of experience the humble outline? It was just for a writing exercise never to be finished. And I had a 15 sentence fragment outline if you want to even call it that. Lol and kek.
>
Under the "not even an outline" bare minimum cotrol and focus the outline brought to the table? I had to turn the project into a full novel attempt just because I was enjoying reading my own shit as if I had bought it? And I already knew the ending after a zillion editing and line editing passes.
>
Now. I only told you that story? To tell you this (mercifully short, lol) Story.. The *barebones* outline proving the best middle ground between creative freedom pantsing and the straight-jacket of every move planned outline thus firmly entrenched... I am curious about maybe trying a "color by numbers" approach to see if I can check off enough check-boxes to see how it goes.
>
"Hero's Journey" to make the sentence fragment outline off of? Or, the "Fantasy Fiction Formula" given example outline.
>
Or anon's choice if you can provide me with however many more options.

>>24613613
>if you got an ai reference, I can draw and fix it for you for the small price of a 5 rating
Anon you have my attention. 5 star on which platform.

>>24613647
RoyalRoad. You can reply with the request/ref here and I'll decide if I can do it. I draw animu shit mainly though so might not be what you want.

>>24613572
pulling that
>wrong
shit when you're the one who's wrong is super obnoxious
>https://lp.skeb.jp/client?locale=en
>For Clients For First Time Users User's Guide
>It is a round trip of “Send a request” and “Make a delivery,” and there will be no halfway exchanges. This is not suitable for commissioning.

>>24613689
>RoyalRoad. You can reply with the request/ref here and I'll decide if I can do it. I draw animu shit mainly though so might not be what you want.
You're an anon like me. You're in /lit/ again like me. Then we're both cool about WNG again we're alike that way. I'm on RR. Point me to what you would like 5 starred. I'll give you what you want without the work.

>>24613637
Big true, my schizo friend, big true.

>>24613153
You might was well make volumes so it looks fancier
And is it a side story, or a story of equal importance?

>>24613630
FUNNYJUNK?

>>24613726
>shit when you're the one who's wrong is super obnoxious
Skeb calls them requests because you do not communicate with the author and go back and forth. You instead provide them all the information, your references, what you want and then they fulfill it. It is up to their discretion how they want to fulfill it. This is the reason why it's cheaper, because it allows artists to not waste time haggling over changes. It isn't for "revisions" as you said. Even if you commission someone directly on another site they aren't always inclined to go back and forth on all of your requests. It's not really different and the wording doesn't matter. That anon wanted to find artists to make him a cover, skeb is a fine option for finding artists. If he wanted to he could use the site to find artists and DM them directly on twitter if he wanted more control.

>>24613811
Oops, I misread your mention about revisions. I thought you were saying it's for getting revisions not that you CANT get revisions. In that case you're correct.

>>24613773
>>>24613637 (You)
>Big true, my schizo friend, big true.
I will bask in the glow of the first anon (you) that didn't spit on me. (kidding) But seriously. I felt like such a fucking 20 dollar whore, LMAO. I? Am using an... *shudder* outline? It was just sentence fragments with line numbers in front of the fragments, LMAO.
Now my literary credentials as a literary prostitute firmly entrenched (using an outline) I decided I had to go with the flow. I told myself I was both using an outline? And (not)using an outline because it was so barebones. I had tea? And I had no tea (hitchhiker guide to nerd-ism compulsory name drop, lol)
>
and to tel a family secret? Out of something like 17 fragments I got to about 10 or 12... and had a real artist dilemma (my first, lol)
>
But, my character wouldn't do that. Because this reason. So in chapter (fragment, LMAO) 13? We went this other way, which was what my character would do.
>
I navigated the minefield! I outlined, and really didnt outline! Why? Because this outline was so shoddy it would have got an F minus from any creative writing professor. But what's a fragment. I pantsed a new fragment that put me on the line my character would do. And abandoned my "outline" at 12, when there was 15 or more. It had done its work and could be thrown away.
>
Now anon. Provide me with your outline choice. Or, share your own. Why? Because fellow schizo's wanna know.
>
PS - I felt like such a "pro". Arguing with myself, that "my charcter wouldn;t do that", LMAO. Fucking artistic integrity and shit, LMAO. Fuck it, I'm an artistic (autistic) fag now.

>>24613811
>Even if you commission someone directly on another site they aren't always inclined to go back and forth on all of your requests.
this is how professional commissions work lmfao, so an artist would need to make that extremely clear up front. and it's obviously what I meant when I said skeb isn't a commission site, because I explained they don't allow revisions. fucker, skeb themselves say "this isn't a suitable site for commissioning". I don't care what convoluted amateur definition you're trying to force onto the word.

New FFF-Class 'Unlucky Antagonist' chapter is out!.
Today: Jacques discovers a goon-cave.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story/chapter/2495125/martial-critique-part-seven

Anyway, I won’t be posting any new chapters for the next seven days, since the incoming one will be between 10,000 and 20,000 words---be ready for the BIG BAD WOLF!

>>24613837
>>Even if you commission someone directly on another site they aren't always inclined to go back and forth on all of your requests.
>this is how professional commissions work lmfao, so an artist would need to make that extremely clear up front. and it's obviously what I meant when I said skeb isn't a commission site, because I explained they don't allow revisions. fucker, skeb themselves say "this isn't a suitable site for commissioning". I don't care what convoluted amateur definition you're trying to force onto the word.
>
why exactly arent we (web novel general) poster that write exploiting this loophole that grants access to real artists taking a crack at "I can do better than your AI reference cover" for a back-scratching 5-star on their personal sloppa. Nigga please, we be up against a literal CABAL of tranny's and these niggas be plotting timed-together 26 project releases and shit. We must all hang together, or we shall all hang separately. Show some unity, provide a united front, help each other. we'er all fighting each other instead of fighting the enemy.

>>24613837
Commissions are not some formalized process with rules among amateur artists. You request something, they make it. That's it. Some will go back and forth, some wont. Both are still considered commissions. Debating definitions wont get us anywhere though.

If you want to debate the usage of the word commission go tell these artists on skeb they are wrong and not actually commissioning

WN in which the MC is trying to steal the wife from a happily married couple, especially if she is clearly superior to him in looks / status?

Fuck this shit. We need voluntary organization. I see this now. I'll be making a new GENERAL. It will be titled "WNG Web Novel General - Accessory Edition". We will discuss all /lit/ writers helping one another in ways that will cost you diddly shit.
I am sick and fucking tired? Of seeing talent go to waste. Because the enemy is organized and we're not. We will discuss what this potential organization will look like.

>>24613863
>>24613930
Go outside and take a breath of fresh air, Tina.

>>24613918
>WN in which the MC is trying to steal the wife from a happily married couple, especially if she is clearly superior to him in looks / status?
>
would this premise appeal to you? Obviously.
I "accidentally" used this or similar premise when I assigned my otherwise stoic male MC, a second girlfriend. Please, anon. Expound on what would make you hot and bothered that this story contained elements of. Gush. Why? Because you *never* know. A real live writer might be listening, and decide you're idea? Was fucking kino. Go for it, anon. Gush. Its what these threads are for motherfucker.

>>24613930
Schizo friend we are not some organized group fighting the good fight against "discord trannies". Also I know you're a r*dditor but please stop quoting incorrectly. It's going to drive me insane.

>>24613938
>Go outside and take a breath of fresh air, Tina.
I'm smiling.
You know who I am.
My heart leaps like a gazelle.

>>24613962
The way you write is as clear as trip. Calm down, don't become a lolcow.

>>24613950
(Russel Crowe GLADIATOR voice)
"I am schizo."
lol
and for the record I'm not some redditor.

>>24613972
>The way you write is as clear as trip. Calm down, don't become a lolcow.
OK. I'm calm now.
Now tell me. What is the harm if we form our own cabal. We 5-star each other's works no mater fucking what. Player to player and pimp to pimp. What's the downside of we do that.
>
*none*
you have to admit, I'm making sense.

>>24613930
Stop drinking the hose water. The lead is poisoning what little brains you have left.

>>24613948
Well…let’s say there’s two people, a man and a woman, who were losers in love. However, they both refuse to give up on the objects of their desire. These two found one another because their unrequited loves had, themselves, hooked up. The two losers form a pact to support one another in their efforts to steal their respective true loves, building up mutual support and trust that’s like two soldiers in a foxhole trapped in a hellish battlefield with only the other to rely on. The reader may look at this situation and think “wait aren’t these two perfect for one another?” But they themselves aren’t interested in settling for anything less than their ideal love-lives. Will they overcome the odds and cross the Bridge Too Far? Or will they finally surrender the battlefield and accept the happiness that they have on-hand? Or will they win their loves AND keep each other as the ultimate love survivors?

this thread has bad vibes today...

>>24614049
Tina is stinking up the thread, as per (aspie) usual

How can >we have schizos? >We write and consume straight up slop

>>24614049
Let's lighten things up. What slop have (you) been reading anon? I've binged this one yesterday:
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/124238/magical-girl-of-despair

>>24614143
It's like with DBZ. Power fantasy wank attracts the mentally ill. Quality is a non-factor.

>>24614148
I've been catching up on Sky Pride. Adding that story you linked to my read later. Have been fiending a good monster story.

>>24614179
Oohh, was going to read that next but I decided to read The Dungeon Without A System. And I still want to read two anon's works. Maybe I'll read it next.

>>24614148
...what did you think?

>>24614148
haven't read that but going by the name I would suggest you read Dark Skies

>>24613998
cabals are gay as shit
just don't suck at writing. it's not hard

>>24614199
Enjoyed it a lot, has a bunch of potential, way easier to digest than Magical Girl Mechanical Heart (which it was the inspiration of it seems).
It's magical girl drama with a semi-OP MC and her actually-OP friend.
Not much explained still, but I'm enjoying it, though there's a bit where the mafia is actually doing good that feels like a cop out. And the MC hasn't showed up in like 6 chapters, which is making me worried.
>>24614207
Which one?
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/88625/dark-skies
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/32807/dark-skies
Both seem interesting though, thanks.

>>24614148
mostly this when free chaps come out https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/118891/new-life-as-a-max-level-archmage
and will start on https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/125106/hegemon-of-shongma
And How the Stars Turned Red, similarly, whenever it gets updated

>DM asking for a shoutout swap
nope, not risking that again

>>24614222
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/32807/dark-skies
she's kind of a magical girl and there's some despair

>>24614238
>https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/118891/new-life-as-a-max-level-archmage
I think everyone is reading this, at least as a success exercise. It's very enjoyable.
>And How the Stars Turned Red
Saw some anons recommending it, but looks like the chapters may take a while to come out, author seems busy right now.
>>24614251
Can't you ask some other author if the guy you're swapping shoutous is ok? But associating with someone could always turns into a landmine.

>>24614266
Thanks a lot, added to my list.

>>24614267
i really don't care at this point. My story is old and should be finished sometime this year(i was hoping it would be done by the end of august but that is unlikely, I stalled on writing) the current audience is not going to grow, I will try to hit it big with my next story instead of trying to advertise something that the majority of people have already stated that they don't care about.

>>24614251
I need to figure out the formatting people use for their shoutout swaps and steal it to shoutout people unsolicited and without permission just because I like their work. I tried once with just a link but forgot to make it an actual hyperlink and it looked shitty and unprofessional.

I'm reluctant to shoutout things I'm reading currently (like Beware of Chicken) because then my autistic/sperg readers will try to read into what I'm posting as if I didn't write those chapters months ago. I'm at least TRYING to be stealthy about what I rip off.

>>24614343
https://finitevoid.dev/shoutout
apparently they use this

>>24613782
>And is it a side story, or a story of equal importance?
You could say it's a parallel story.
The main story is about how a nomadic empire collapsed, and the side story is a prequel that happened a century earlier, explaining how the nomadic empire took over the continent.
So, the point is that the world has more meaning if you read both.
Maybe I should have called it gaiden instead of side story, apparently gaiden has wider implications.

I think the third to last chapter of Black Sun will be out tonight. Gotta edit fourteen pages.

>>24614379
Have you considered making the chapters run parallel to each other, and just labeling them THEN: and NOW:?
Side story seems like it isn't very important. I have no idea what Gaiden means.
How about you throw a blurb of history in every pre chapter note?

>>24614379
What you are describing would be better done as a prequel, a bonus thing at the end of a full volume for interested readers, or be made into a flashback or history delving scene. It's essentially lore.

What's the minimum fan interaction you would settle for to continue writing a piece you absolutely hated?

>>24614238
>mostly this when free chaps come out https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/118891/new-life-as-a-max-level-archmage
>free chaps
you should sub to the patreon :) support starving artists

>>24613613
I'll give you a 5 rating even though I don't need any art, since you seem generous. Post story.

>>24614448
One (1) person who commented every ten chapters and said to me “TFTC”
(thanks for the chapter)

>>24614448
honestly fan interaction kinda sucks. i wish the human brain didn't work like this but the 5% that are vocally rude and obnoxious drown out the 5% that gush over your work/are especially nice.

fan interaction wouldn't determine whether I write something. maybe the financial support but even then idk. i want to enjoy what im writing (or at least tolerate, since the luster always wears off eventually)

>>24614453
>Starving
>MagicRhythm
>>24614448
I wouldn't keep writing for the whole thing, but at least I would try to give it closure.

>>24614466
>Starving
Gluttony is never sated, anon
The beast hungers

>>24614456
>>24613619
>>24613647
Thank you, bros. https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/119783/fff-class-unlucky-antagonist-villains-origin-story
Send your AI images. I use AI too but I can do added things like adding text and stuff. Also I will review you and give you a five stars back

>>24614478
I recognize this, but I didn't read it. I thought the cover was actually very impressive and striking - so good job.

what does growing a hair straight out of your palm mean
too much typing?

>>24614057
>Tina is stinking up the thread, as per (aspie) usual
What. you think that me being an aspie. Makes it not reasonable. Why shouldn't we all work together. If you don't believe in this. You're an idiot.

>>24614497
>Why shouldn't we all work together.
colluding to game the rating system is soul poison
and on top of that, literally doesn't work unless you have several 4k+ follower anons to be shouting newcomers out like immersive ink/coteh/the order
that's why

>>24614481
FFF guy didn't make his own cover, he got it from someone else here

>>24614490
hairy palm= jacking off

>>24614360
Sweet, I'll try that. I figured they were arranging shit in the forums.

>>24614501
There's also the problem of souring your audience if you're actually popular and then recommend something mid or mediocre. Now you look like you have bad taste. And nobody cares what mid or mediocre authors recommend.

The truth is this: simply write consistently and don't be ESL. [It's Serialized].

>>24614501
what. That's it? 4,000 assholes and we're an equal force. We have what it takes.

The idea that 'monke together stronk' will overthrow or even fight at the same level as the gay group of orangutans is silly.
The last time this group of monkes associated with each other (not 'grouped up' but 'associated'), a single monkey went on a sperg rage against a shortsack tranny and fucked everything up.

>>24614508
>simply write consistently
Okay...
>and don't be ESL
Fuck.

>>24614512
Yeah there is genuinely no upside to creating a community here, seeing as how easy it is to attract mentally ill posters. You think FFF is bad? Wait until the rest of the /wg/ outcasts make their way here. It is shocking everyone who’s every posted here hasn't been review bombed to hell and back by schizos.

>>24614511
There's 30 of us here if I'm being generous, and not everyone here is an actual posting author. Lots of people sitting around daydreaming and worldbuilding instead of slopping.

Additionally, as the other anon said, I would NEVER associate my pen name or works with 4chan, for exactly the stated reason. I know the deep lore of basic internet research to tie online accounts together; I won't expose myself.

>>24614511
Shut the fuck up triple F. Stop trying to star sperg wars and just focus on improving your dogwater story.

>>24614516
>Fuck.
some of the biggest royalroad authors are ESL (voidherald, mecanimus, nobody103) so it's fine.
but 99.9% of ESLs are really bad at english, which is where this stigma obviously comes from.
ESLs can (can) write perfectly fine. are you one?

I Got Shot In A Drive-By, So Now I'm Kicking With The Homies It In Another World! [Gangster Evolution] [No Cap] [On God(s)] [Crackmancer]

>>24614511
>We have what it takes.
i'm pretty sure we only have 1 anon who's even reached the very low bar of 1k followers lol. /wng/ definitely does not have what it takes

>>24614404
>Have you considered making the chapters run parallel to each other, and just labeling them THEN: and NOW:?
I actually haven't, I don't know how it would work.
>How about you throw a blurb of history in every pre chapter note?
As you can see from the screenshot, these are very long 1-2K words long. I don't think they would as blurps.
> I have no idea what Gaiden means.
>In Japanese, the word gaiden (外伝; pronounced [ɡaideɴ], lit. "outside legends") also refers to such contemporaneous spin-offs and is frequently translated as "side story".
>>24614409
>It's essentially lore.
I mean, there is dialogue.

>>24614526
I don't literally mean "anyone whose native language isn't English;" of course I mean "people who can't fucking write coherent English sentences." Literally 90% of the problem people who post samples in this thread have is that they're borderline illiterate in English and didn't even bother to put their shit into grammarly or an AI to fix it.

Being able to write a coherent English sentence and posting consistently is literally 90% of the game. Just show up. The bar is on the floor. the other 10% is coomerbait or power fantasy bait for angsty children of all ages.

>>24614520
>Additionally, as the other anon said, I would NEVER associate my pen name or works with 4chan, for exactly the stated reason. I know the deep lore of basic internet research to tie online accounts together; I won't expose myself.
>
not fucking asking you to...anything. A member of your tribe? Gets the thumbs up. They?Thumbs up... back. The fuck is so crazy about that.

>>24614526
Dunno, never been called outright for it.

>>24614539
hm i read almost all excerpts posted here and 90% don't have ESL issues, maybe 20%. the writing is just bland and amateurish in most cases

>>24614541
Maybe you wouldn't ask anything of me (except then you literally did), but somebody in here was literally making a call to rouse a personal army.

>>24614518
I don't think /wg/ really cares for us, and gonganon took his meds it seems.
>>24614530
There was one who bragged about reaching top #50~something a few weeks ago.

>>24614522

>>24614542
2nd dialogue incorrectly punctuates the dialogue (hello, i am dialogue tag sperg)

It doesn't give off ESL to me.
it does however have issues
you really, REALLY spam weak "um, uh" words (for a lack of a better term) too much

>No,
>Yeah,
>, maybe
>Well,
>Okay,
>Mm, erm,
>Yeah,
A few are fine. So many is unpleasant

I condemn you as an amateur, unfortunately. (but not an ESL). the writing does not feel crisp to me

>>24614522
The people here are so ridiculously obsessed. Is this even 4chan? Since when do we shy away from a fight?
I believe in this cause, even if there are anonymous cowards in this threads who call me out WITH NO PROOF it is me they are talking to. We can take on Royal Road, and show them the power of /wng/. I'm not asking you to go to war, I just need you to give me five stars and a shoutout. >>24614530
>>24614520
If we involved /lit/ and other boards too, we could get the numbers. Imagine the keks if we convinced /pol/ to help us, to fight with us!
Follow me bros, believe we can make it to the top...

>>24614551
>There was one who bragged about reaching top #50~something a few weeks ago.
that is the '1' i was referring to (me, kek)

>>24614530
>i'm pretty sure we only have 1 anon who's even reached the very low bar of 1k followers lol. /wng/ definitely does not have what it takes
So? We all support one another. We organize. What's so insane about this idea

>>24614512
>>>24614563

>>24614555
Honest thanks for the feedback, I'm trying to improve. And yes, I agree, I think my vocabulary and word choice is poor, and that my sentences lack punch. I'll be more mindful of that.
>>24614562
lol

>>24614557
>>24614563
Shut the fuck up please you stupid worthless shitter. Stop procrasting and spewing shit and just fucking write. No amount of reviews is going to make people like your AI cover loredump slop.

>>24614557
>>24614563
>If we involved /lit/ and other boards too, we could get the numbers. Imagine the keks if we convinced /pol/ to help us, to fight with us!
>So? We all support one another. We organize. What's so insane about this idea

im going to skip the absurdity of 4chan even managing to assemble into a web novel cabal to equal immersive ink

cabals are gay. even the imm ink nepo babies squeak onto rising stars and die there with like 10 patrons/500 followers because they didn't actually have a good story

JUST WRITE A GOOD FUCKING STORY. that's how you get a real following and become a full time writer

stop trying to game the system, it DOES NOT WORK

>>24614549
>Maybe you wouldn't ask anything of me (except then you literally did), but somebody in here was literally making a call to rouse a personal army.
>
Okay. I'll give you, this. TINA thought of this? Fine. You all do it for each other, fuck Tina. Now I get nothing. But still do it. If I get nothing? I *still* want it for all other WNG anons.

I missed an episode. Who is Tina? The transwoman who gave FFF that bad review?

>>24614557
>wanting to get /pol/ involved
this is exactly why people don't want to be associated with 4chan

>>24614557
Yeah that’s a great idea FFF anon, go post your work on /pol/ and ask them to give you a good review to own the liberals

>>24614578
>Who is Tina?
You can't miss them, it's the anon who writes in a stream of counciousness way. The anon above you actually.
>The transwoman who gave FFF that bad review?
Some no-name that published an AGP writing with one chapter, and hasn't wrote anything beyond one chapter I think. Their name is Octosomething.
Doesn't matter really.

>>24614585
Why Tina though?

>>24614588
It's their username: https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/125587/merrys-present
They have more on moonquill, if you want to read, they'll be happy I'm sure.

>>24614557
>Is this even 4chan? Since when do we shy away from a fight?
Yeah! There's my nigga. Take it to the streets.
Fuck this shit. I'm sick and tired of thinking... I aint part of the in-crowd. Well? I goddamn am! I'm part of 4-chan. Suck my uncircumcised cock. We want books like we want? We will Have them. We will post them ourselves, if we have to.

I do wonder why Tina's posting style aggravates me so much. the content of his posts seem pretty earnest and in good faith. but holy fuck the comma usage and organization of thoughts...feels like im reading a schizophrenic's diary

>>24614571
>Shut the fuck up please you stupid worthless shitter. Stop procrasting and spewing shit and just fucking write. No amount of reviews is going to make people like your AI cover loredump slop.
suck? My uncircumcised cock. What skin off your ass is it. All (you) are doing? Is outing yourself as a demoralization shill.Suck my robot nuts. Anons? Rebel!

>>24614573
>im going to skip the absurdity of 4chan even managing to assemble into a web novel cabal to equal immersive ink
>cabals are gay. even the imm ink nepo babies squeak onto rising stars and die there with like 10 patrons/500 followers because they didn't actually have a good story
>JUST WRITE A GOOD FUCKING STORY. that's how you get a real following and become a full time writer
>stop trying to game the system, it DOES NOT WORK
bitch.
Have a motherfucking SPINE.
What if we (or a few) wrote a good story?And we supported each other ANYWAYS. The fuck is hurt. Rise up, little bitches.Make your voice heard.

>>24614585
Huh, I remember their very first post ITT, shilling their moonquill stuff. They asked how to get more viewers and I told them to just use RR.
What causes a person to have a full on melty after not even a month of posting? Why does she would sound like FFF with her unionization rants?

Am I the only retard who goes full schizo a few times on every thread because it looks like someone is samefagging?

>>24614609
>And we supported each other ANYWAYS
i don't need or want the support of 4chan. i like shooting the shit in /wng/ sure, but why does that need to turn into a circlejerk cabal?
the whole point of 4chan is anonymity. i will never associate a username or public persona with this place. literally the opposite of why this website exists

>>24614590
>It's their username: https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/125587/merrys-present
>They have more on moonquill, if you want to read, they'll be happy I'm sure.
my nigger. Fuck yeah. I ask you?What, is, lost... if we all act in concert. Nothing!

>>24614615
i haven't noticed any samefagging but now i want you to >> the suspects so I can deliver judgment on how schizo you are

>>24614614
I saw them posting on /sffg/ and /wg/, anons weren't kind to them there. If anything we're boderline motherly with the criticisms. I guess they're just frustrated that people don't like their writing and that banding together is going to change that.

>>24614598
>I do wonder why Tina's posting style aggravates me so much. the content of his posts seem pretty earnest and in good faith. but holy fuck the comma usage and organization of thoughts...feels like im reading a schizophrenic's diary
and? Here we are. you just said..."he". And? My pen nameis.. Tina. Tina Migarlo.
A true autist? Could figure out what THAT meant.

>>24614628
gave you the benefit of the doubt that you were using a female pen name
explains a lot desu

>>24614615
Are you the broschizo who identified the previous samefag?

>>24614614
>Huh, I remember their very first post ITT, shilling their moonquill stuff. They asked how to get more viewers and I told them to just use RR.
>What causes a person to have a full on melty after not even a month of posting? Why does she would sound like FFF with her unionization rants?
NO!
I offer you anons, this.
Do this for each other, and leave me out of it.
There. I get *nothing*. But? I still want it for everyone else.
You wanna kick me in the teeth? Fine. But don't ruin it for everyone else.
There. Its for everyone else? But me.

>>24614637
nobody wants it BESIDES you retard. and FF retard apparently. stop trying to act like a martyr
everyone else here has their heads screwed on straight and knows writing quality fiction is how you succeed
cabalists go kys

>>24614617
>i don't need or want the support of 4chan. i like shooting the shit in /wng/ sure, but why does that need to turn into a circlejerk cabal?
>the whole point of 4chan is anonymity. i will never associate a username or public persona with this place. literally the opposite of why this website exists
I am not asking you to "out" yourself. Literally, we have a thread? There's a list. You go and five star people on the list. No one knows who (you) are. I ask you? For zero risk.

>>24614643
are you retarded? the issue isn't having exact posts linked to me

>>24614624
I feel like if I do that right now, I would be forcing it and misidentifying it. Though the next time I notice it, I'll do it.
>>24614634
Nope

>>24614641
>nobody wants it BESIDES you retard. and FF retard apparently. stop trying to act like a martyr
>everyone else here has their heads screwed on straight and knows writing quality fiction is how you succeed
>cabalists go kys
Cabalists, like ANY cheaters? DO it, because it fucking works. Use your brain. Why else, would they do it. I mean, did they set up a cabal discord... for their fucking health? Don't be retarded. This shit.. works.. Its why they DO IT, you assmonkey.

>>24614637
Look dude most of the locals here already have followed an reviewed the other locals. It happens naturally, over time

>>24614652
I like my 4.19 stars and 12,000 something ranking. I don't want to be in the top 100 or even top 10,000. I just want to write

>>24614617
>but why does that need to turn into a circlejerk cabal?
Some people must imagine that an easier way to break thirty followers than just writing decently and consistently. Such people are in love with the idea of being an author (and more than that, famous), more than actually enjoying writing stories.

Seems like there are individuals who want to form a list for review for review. Those who want that should make themselves known, and then review each others stories, and then stop pestering other anons for reviews. This would probably solve the problem and keep us from burning through a thread on this pointless discussion

>>24614653
>It happens naturally, over time
Yeah. That, is why cabal discord bullshit EXISTS, right? Uh huh. They're circle jerking? Fuck it.WE circle jerk and keep up. Motherfuckers. I'm willing to want nothig for myself out of this. But... if you dont see how the tranny's are owning you, and circle jerking their own reviews... I literally can't help you.

>>24614652
>This shit.. works..
it does not work. i've already said so
unless your pathetic goal is 500 followers and dying at rank #22 on rising stars in the best of cases
writing good fiction + running an ad is all you need. if you're poor, fine, go network. but not with 4chan, join II. you do need to hit RS somehow, but you can do that with good consistent writing

>>24614643
Could I get a rating for my humble unknown work?
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/118891/

>>24614665
I have zero desire to compete for ratings. I enjoy my writing, and appreciate the handful of readers who care enough to comment. Please stop pushing this idea, and just let people do what they want.

>>24614667
join the patreon too, support hungry artists

>>24614667
Fuck off, OccultPronunciation.

>>24614666
>unless your pathetic goal is 500 followers and dying at rank #22 on rising stars in the best of cases
sounds fun to me.
every /lit/ motherfucker on the list? Is one less "non lit" on the list.
Where's the down side, to us all supporting one another. I ask you that. Seriously.

>>24614679
>Where's the down side, to us all supporting one another. I ask you that. Seriously.
association with the cancer that is 4chan. seriously.
spoken as one of the cancer cells

>>24614667
Fuck, yeah mother, fucker.
5 stars.... incoming.
I support? My fuking PEEPS!"

>>24614679
It is a waste of time. It isn’t us against them, we all post on RR.
Also I've screenshottef all of this Tina, if any of you ever start shitting up the thread with review for review I'm emailing the mods and snitching on all of you.

>>24614667
>2,445 Ratings
>5 pages of reviews
No.
>>24614679
The support is in feedback and constructive criticism with a side of banter. Going out of our way to rig ratings hurts no one except ourselves.

>>24614691
>5 pages of reviews
16, retard

>>24614670
>I have zero desire to compete for ratings. I enjoy my writing, and appreciate the handful of readers who care enough to comment. Please stop pushing this idea, and just let people do what they want.
>
okay. so then, how does this *hurt* you.

>>24614695
>how does this *hurt* you.
association with a cancerous website for no real benefit

>>24614694
>It's actually more!
Wow, you showed me. Still too many to be asking for more.

>>24614687
>It is a waste of time. It isn’t us against them, we all post on RR.
>Also I've screenshottef all of this Tina, if any of you ever start shitting up the thread with review for review I'm emailing the mods and snitching on all of you.
OOOH.
Not snitching on the discord cabal, doing it worse.
Suck my robot nuts.
You just outed yourself. Why would you give a fuck? Otherwise.

>>24614698
go rate me 5 you whore. sub to my patreon too. or are you a fake friend

>>24614687
>Also I've screenshottef all of this Tina, if any of you ever start shitting up the thread with review for review I'm emailing the mods and snitching on all of you.
Translation. I'm a little bitch. I'm on the side? Of NOT 4chan lit. You fucking nigger.

>>24614695
Because when I give your dumb ass a free rating and then your account gets nuked for R4R, my account can get nuked too.
If you want to do that, go join the trannycord run by the top posters.

this is almost as entertaining as the FFF meltie

>>24614478
Why is this anon posting my storylink promising 5 star reviews?

>>24614708
This IS the FFF melty. He’s one of >>24614704
>>24614699

>>24614709
It's called baiting, FFFanon. You're bait.

>>24614687
>It is a waste of time. It isn’t us against them, we all post on RR.
>Also I've screenshottef all of this Tina, if any of you ever start shitting up the thread with review for review I'm emailing the mods and snitching on all of you.
Well? I'll match you. I'm emailing the mods about the discord cabal. Quid, pro, quo. as I said? Suck my robot nutz.

>>24614696
>association with a cancerous website for no real benefit
ha. Outed yourself as a demoralization shill. Does't associate you with 4 chan any way. You decided to give stars to some story. What the fuck.

See y'all next thread. Going to work on my outline between now and then.

>>24614713
report EsotericMeter for begging for patreon subs too

>>24614578
I don't know why that anon chose the name Tina but the person in question is the schizo that always fucks up quotes and makes random new lines with a blank > on it. He types in a very distinct way and often says kek.

>>24614722
No, stay here or I'll report you to the RR mods.

Anyone here, with half a brain? Knows... Tina is right. We act in concert, costs nothing. Anythng else? You out yourself as a member of the other side. Did you catch that one scared anon? Tine! I'm screen cappnig this! I'm alerting MODS!
that, is called fear.
if you had half a brain? You would want to cultivate fear? In the enemy.

Women.

>>24614725
>I don't know why that anon chose the name Tina but the person in question is the schizo that always fucks up quotes and makes random new lines with a blank > on it. He types in a very distinct way and often says kek.
Oh. My. God.
Alert? The media.

>>24614732
*laughs*

>>24614731
>
>
Tina. your posts? Are obvious. You need... To Take? Your Medications. And drink? From THE leaded hose.

RR team,

Good evening, just want you to know that I am indeed posting from my burner account, to avoid association.

I post on the literature board of 4chan, where there is a dedicated thread/forum to webnovels. Here is the newest thread (https://boards.4chan.org/lit/thread/24609238).
Over the past week there has been an increase in troll posts, calling for the harassment of Royal Road users and the beginnings of an organized review for review campaign. Most posters in this thread have no desire to engage in such practices, which is why I'm messaging you about this problem.
The two offenders are https://www.royalroad.com/profile/74889, who has repeatedly tried to start some sort of 4chan cabal that he can use to review bomb the works of people who have given him bad reviews, along with https://www.royalroad.com/profile/77981, who constantly advocates for review farming and the harassment of transwomen and minorities.

I would hope you can suspend their accounts, in hopes of demoralizing them from future campaigns against Royal Road. As always, my love for you is like a firefly in a mason jar.

Yours, forever.
Sneed Kelly

My mind? Fucking lost it.
>
Can't handle this anymore. I LOST MY MIND FUCKER!

>>24614733
>>I don't know why that anon chose the name Tina but the person in question is the schizo that always fucks up quotes and makes random new lines with a blank > on it. He types in a very distinct way and often says kek.
>
because I'm too stupid. To figure out what Tina Migarlo really means.
How did your genes ever survive.

>>24614738
King

>>24614738
Whew, good thing I didn't press send. For some reason it cut off the last number of Tina and FFF’s profiles, replacing them with random users.

Fixed and sent

>>24614745
B-based...

>>24614745
So, how long until everyone who ever associated with these threads get banned? Isn't it the second time someone contacted them?
RIP I guess. Had a good run guys.

>>24614738
Hello iLoveCatGirls,

Thank you for your report. We take the safety of our users very seriously. We will not allow divisive behaviors targeting the most vulnerable groups on our website to evade enforcement of our Terms & Services. Please be patient while our moderation team investigates your reports.

Best,

Abraham Goldbergblatzstein-Cohen, Senior Diversity and Inclusion Officer

>>24614745
why didn't you include MysticalTempo?

>>24614755
>iLoveCatGirls,
OKAY BUT I DO THOUGH
WHO ELSE

>>24614752
At a glance nobody in this specific thread aside from FFF linked their own work here. So we should be okay

>>24614764
???? >>24614667
>>24614667
>>24614667
>>24614667
>>24614667

>>24614766
Can't believe the RR mods are going after our best author, MagicModulation.

>>24614739
>I LOST MY MIND FUCKER!
well, where did you see him last?

>>24614766
this nigger-anon deserves something.
Anon? I might read your first chapter and give you a fair review. You obviously want one. Why should this be something only discord-cabal tranny's get.

>>24614691
Everybody wants to be in a cabal until it's time to do cabal things.

>>24614774
>a fair review.
THAT MEANS 5 STARS AND A REVIEW THANKS

>>24614776
why is her left ear so much comically bigger

>>24614766
nta but isn't the joke that ArcaneCadence lurks here?
So if I post a link to a story and say it's mine does that mean I'm the author?
>Hey guys, rate my story!! >https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/111416
retard.

Just listen to the reeeee.
No, chud. Don't do exactly what we do,
Fuck all that noise.
suck my uncircumcised cock.

>>24614788
Starving author too poor to afford an artist, please understand.

>>24614788
1. it's not
2. it's perspective, lrn2see noob
3. it's HER right ear, viewer's left
4. did you even subscribe to the patreon? It's explained in the latest chapter! (maybe) (probably not)

>>24614798
i thought even AI had moved past mistakes like that

>>24614776
>Everybody wants to be in a cabal until it's time to do cabal things.
I'm looking at you, and I want to upsell you. Lets do cabal things. LMAO.

>>24614801
Looks AI generated to me, but it could be some image2image type of generation. The lines are too smooth and the horns aren't symmetrical. Neck is a bit too long and the color of the pupils are all off. There's a weird glow around her also.

>>24614807
I'm about to beat off to this image. Pretty hot.

the sooner they delete my story, the better

>>24614813
It's weirdly erotic in a way; her disinterested eyes, robes too big for her lithe body—showing her bony shoulders—and handlebars at the top.
Vivi was built for standing, disinterested sex.

>my gooner fetish will never be popular
Sad...

i have an elf fetish

>get about eighty comments over half a year
>finally travel and I'm out of touch for about a week and a half, readers are notified and chapters are scheduled to autopost
>some spergy retards decide to flood my comments with almost 200 new comments while I'm busy and whine about no engagement
>I get back and spend my first six hours free responding
>they go radio silent
>I come down with an illness from the stress
Thank god for anonymity. Why are commenters such worthless faggots? Holy shit it's awful. I understand why big authors just categorically do not respond to comments on RR now.

>>24613438
>I don't know how an amateur artist in the west can even compete at their prices.
Most amateur artists in the west selling really cheap comms are teens getting their rent paid by mom & dad and just using their comm money as pocket change.

How do I write my protagonist dating a big dick futa in a way that makes the readers think it's something something trans rights instead of a deep seeded sex thing? RR, so nothing explicit.

I overuse the same action beats over and over in my writing. I am now autistically making a tool where I can click a button and get examples from web novels that I read. I think I'm going to expand it from action beats to include examples of other things too. Like metaphors, idioms, etc. It's going to be a magic eight ball for me to shake until I burn all this shit into my memory.

Any web novels you find written particularly well that I can use for inspo?

Third to last chapter of Born Under a Black Sun is out.
All in all, this first book should clock in at just under 100k words. Which sounds like a lot, and then I realize the first book of Wheel of Time is over triple that. But one my favorite fantasy series, the Black Company, has a first book with a very similar word count (94,830).
Why am I blogposting this? No idea. Thank you to the anons who have been following along!

>>24614984
I had no idea how to write action scenes until I started playing elden ring

>>24614991
You're writing Pokémon fics?

>>24614995
Actually sort of, I'm >>24614986. There are weird creatures in my setting, called hybrids. But unlike pokemon, you can't have sex with them

>>24614991
Let me elaborate on this:
Before ER I did a lot of DnD, and my early writing reflected that style of combat where everyone takes a move. Now my characters duck and dodge while they throw bricks and bottles

my actions scene style comes from my 17+ years of playing fighting games

>>24614739
why do you always fill empty newlines with the meme arrow

>>24614871
Be the change you want to see in the world.
Need more gooner webnovels.

Webslop with 0 action scenes doko

I ape Spillane.

my action scenes come from iliad desu

Seems like I, Anonymous, was gone for a single /wng/ thread, and upon a brief revisit, I'm awed at the sight of this general being taken to the brink of ruin once again. The algorithm archons wage eternal war against us, and the only way to beat them is to keep calm and keep writing. Let this be the top one /wng/ formula to success from today on:
>Never go full retard

>What do we need with wrangling, hurling insults?
>Cursing each other with petty, heartsick squabbles, blustering into the streets to pelt themselves with slander,
>much of it true, much not. Anger stirs up lies.
>I blaze for battle—your taunts can't turn me back, not till we've fought it out with bronze. On with it—
>taste the bite of each other's brazen spears!
tfw you will never live up to Homer's killer lines. Unironically, why even live?

>>24615114
i fudged up the kino line comparing themselves to women being petty but im pretty drunk. kanpei niggers.

>>24615114
Live up to them? Bro just steal them. Seriously nobody will notice, and if they do, they'll applaud your giant thracian balls and your """reference."""

For me, it's "and the darkness overtook his eyes" or however Lattimore put it.

>>24615129
funny you say that since nobody seemed to glean the fact I straight up stole a paragraph or two from it in my story.

>>24615035
Thank you for your sage wisdom, elder brother. It is becoming of one with jade skin.

mfw ai audio site has uploaded a bunch of RR novels without permission

mfw even FFF-kun is there

Taking bets: will he sperg out or claim this means he made it big?

>>24615164
>reverse image search reveals nothing
Please don't post pictures of your own baby on 4chan.

>>24615181
Surely that's not actually his baby. I'm sure it's someone else's baby he took a picture of.
>reverse image searching pictures of infants
Anon...

>>24615208
It was a misclick, but yes, not mine. Don't even know why that picture was put in since it's from years ago and is nowhere near the cat picture I clicked on. Fuck phone posting I guess.

Anyway, I deleted the post to protect mystery baby, but for anons who aren't aware, tons of novels have been uploaded to an ai audio site without permission. It's called audio book ai, and there are a few fictions on there I recognise from posters here, including FFF-kun

>>24615164
I don't care about you posting your own baby on 4chan, which AI audio site is this?
I'm way bigger than fff anon and would like to check if I'm on there

>>24615235
https://audio-book-ai.com/

Just search the name of your fiction after following the link. I sent a copyright complaint but fuck knows if it will do any good. These sites are probably a dime a dozen.

>>24615253
Holy shit they've got me too

The AI voice they used for my work is a really old man who sounds like he’s dying.

>>24615253
>I sent a copyright complaint
To their domain registrar? Based.

>>24613178
By copying you learn and remember patterns. That's how you learn to do anything new. If you're trying to learn a new language do you also look down on "copying"? The goal of learning a new language and writing better prose is to do it automatically, not to sit there and take 5 minutes on every sentence.

>>24615253
Sending pirates copyright notices is like telling orcs to stop raping, you should mail their web host instead and even that's a long shot

>look into that ai slop domain
>ip range it belongs to is owned by a moldovan hosting company incorporated at a drop box in UK
>tons of malware attacks have come from their ip range
>owner of the company claims they had no idea that their users would do such a thing
>owner has already been investigated krebs security
>he has a personal site dedicated to the transnistrian conflict
>European Council has frozen his assets and banned him from entering EU because of his ties to state sponsored cyber attacks
Uhhh soooooo yeah I don't think this guy is going to give a shit if you send an abuse report. These bulletproof hosting providers probably don't even read that shit. Luckily domain registrars care a bit more. Doesn't mean shit because sardeep can just spend $10 on another domain to point to his hosting provider that wont do anything.

>>24614963
imagine caring this much about some random sperg. are you new to the internet or something? Just block and move on retard.

For the record the issues being brought up in this thread have been around forever with traditional publishing. Pre-Internet, I've read of authors who were put on a shit-list and could not get a review for love or money. They had to resort to pen names to get anything published.
I've read of one author who got by for a bit with devastatingly critical reviews of other authors. When his next work came out it was viciously mocked and destroyed everywhere. Even Hemingway remarked he had never seen a work so completely trashed.
Another author was of the opinion the only thing that mattered was the best seller lists as the whole review process was a joke of a game.
Again, all that was pre-Internet. Today, we've seen cases of organized groups buying thousands of copies of some work just to jump the numbers on the best sellers lists. Nothing new under the sun.

>>24615253
This thing's been around for at least a year, back when I found my novel on it.

Good day, fellow Buddhists. Looks like this one missed a very active Dharma Conference. Time to catch up on all the insightful discussions and exchange of sagacious ideas.
Namo Manjushri!

https://www.wanderinginndle.app/

my fellow wordle and wandering inn enjoyers may like this.

in today's episode, we thrill the yuri audience by introducing a male support character. Will they endure the three chapters that feature this character, or will I see passionate confessions of deep-seated insecurity issues in my comments and mailbox? The adventure of modern serial writing

>>24615478
Okay, well, Bloom into You had male support characters, so it can't be that bad.

>>24615590
>>24615590
>>24615590

new

>>24615536
/u/ still regularly recalls my previous work to shit on it for having too many m*les, though I've never even mentioned it there myself. I'm more careful about promising romance now, but some shippers have already found their way into the comments.