Thread 24612777

I fucking hate the way I was educated. Schools spend at minimum 90% of their time on pointless bullshit. Why didn't I read great books? Why did I read "The Hate U Give" and not The Divine Comedy?

If I ran a school, we'd read a great book every week and have daily seminars. We'd study real, important things, like ethics, politics, economics, history, physics, chemistry, mathematics, art, music, and language. We'd only permit gifted male students. I've put a lot of thought into this.

>>24612777 (OP)
so you’re going to homeschool your kids right? or do they get to be locked in to nigger daycare for over a decade too?

>>24612812
If I have kids I would want to homeschool them, or at least send them to a boarding school or something. But what I really want to do is open my own school.

>>24612814
How would you solve the socialization issue? That's 99% of the reason kids of any era even tolerate school.

>>24612832
Most schools don't even have any social skills classes. My school would have a weekly cotillion class, which would introduce topics like how to speak publicly, how to dress well, and help students practice their social skills with upscale parties.

>>24612777 (OP)
we read great books in school, and no one cared about them. I only got into history and /lit/ after school

>>24612812
>>24612814
Homeschooling is just poor man's private school. You're better off sending them to a decent prep school so they can be properly socialized.

>I can't afford it
Lmao even

>>24612777 (OP)
Yeah take all the anons advice in this thread, pay out the ass to send your kid to private school. That way you won't know what they're doing or learning for eight months and you can get them back with pink hair. Private schools are where you teach if you're too smart to work in public school but too overt with your ideology for college.

We read Macbeth and Tess of the D'Urbervilles and Gatsby, and this was in Africa. Your post is a pedagogical utopia, complete fantasy.

OP... don't you want to learn about Harriet Tubman?

Books? I wish they taught some skills. I get mad jelly when I read about 11 yos entering an apprenticeship in an artists workshop.

>>24612884
spent more time learning about Harriet Tubman than taxes throughout the entirety of k-12

>>24612844
I mean hanging out and making peers/friends and such. God knows that's the only reason I tolerated school for most of my life.

>>24612909
same

>>24612909
"Person on the run" is a lot more fun to read about as a kid than goddamn numbers and shit. Unless you were the nerdy kid that liked math.

>>24612777 (OP)
Mass K to 12 education was a mistake and only debased the schools. Studying the humanities should always have stayed a luxury for exception individuals

>>24612932
I don't see why you can't do that in a boarding school

>>24613321
This. Schools should educate the brilliant. Everyone else should be trained for labor.

>>24612896
My school would absolutely include workshops to learn skills.

>>24612880
I think it's possible, so long as you purposely pick only the most intelligent and motivated students.

>>24612777 (OP)
>Why did I read "The Hate U Give" and not The Divine Comedy?
If you are American, because your society is anti-Catholic

>>24612871
This. Don't assume that you'd actually enjoy reading the classics in school simply because you do in your own time. Reading in school is never as fun because your always conscious about having to answer questions on what you're reading. I'm glad I never had to read Dostoevsky or Homer at school otherwise I'd have stayed away from them for at least the rest of my youth, if not longer.

>>24613385
Same as OP
Also did not read Paradise Lost
Also did not read Homer
Also did not read Faust
The one Shakespeare play I was taught in full was Othello

It‘s because my society is anti-White.

>>24613400
I have been reading since very young age. Fables, Jules Verne, AC Doyle, books about adventures on ships (which had no fucking explanation of the hundreds of terms concerning sailing, rigging, etc), soviet war slop about partizans in ww2 or reds vs whites during some earlier revolution. Reading in itself is not an issue, but a lot of things just aren't interesting to a child, if not outright intimidating.
Curriculum for Foreign literature was pretty good, I loved the lessons. I had been reading most of assigned material, but got lazier sometime around grade 9. Completely skipped Master&margarita, some other novels too.
We didn't read much from Homer, only a few excerpts (from Odyssey most likely). General overview of mythology is much more useful and interesting than Homer (to a 12yo kid). Finally read Iliad and Odyssey earlier this year, more than a decade after finishing school, as a part of starting with the Greeks. Wish I'd done it sooner, but thanks for memeing me into it anyway. Finished Thucydides today, the journey continues.

>>24613507
History of the Peloponnesian War is truly great. Would recommend you check out Xenophon, although not necessarily for his Hellenica, but rather for Anabasis and Cyropaedia.

>>24613385
I don't think it's anti-Catholic (or maybe it is, but that's not the reason). It's because it's anti-intellectual

>>24612777 (OP)
Yeah.

Literally just had "Racism is bad" drilled into us from every angle at my school. That was it.

>>24612777 (OP)
>we'd read a great book every week
Did you actually pay attention to what the other high school kids were like? Do you not understand how unrealistic this is?
Also what you're refering to is called university.

>>24613558
I'm going all in. Homer, Hesiod, Aeschylus, Sophocles, Herodotus and Thucydides are done. Halfway through Euripides (18 plays is a lot) and Aristophanes.
Thucydides abruptly stopped his history before the war ended. My favorite part was the Sicilian expedition: epic plans, epic struggle, terrible outcome.
Xenophon's Hellenica should be next. But I'll need some break first, these constant rebellions, truces and betrayals are getting out of hand. Anabasis is widely praised, not going to skip it.

For now will focus on mythology: Apollodorus (maybe) and Classical Mythology (2023, Oxford).

> Schools spend at minimum 90% of their time on pointless bullshit.
Yup. Grade 10 I had had enough, I would come into class with a book sit in a corner and read it and refuse to do anything else. "Group project time!" Fuck you. After a few months of this I was officially dropped out. I ended up going to community college, getting a degree from a decent four-year in Classics, and now I write top-shelf effort posts about ancient logic and call people pseuds on /lit/. I am living proof that public education is a waste of time. If you condensed the actual instruction you get out of a typical 8 hour school day it would be maybe 30 minutes.
>OK class today I will take a paragraph's worth of material and stretch it out to a whole 45 minute class session
>here are 12 worksheets that cover shit you already know, if you don't do them you will fail
>essays are a pain to grade... how about max 1000 words teehee :)

>>24612777 (OP)
just wanted to say you wanting to open up a place of education speaks magnitudes. you can only do so much within the school, and lifestyle is what education should really be promoting (along with knowledge/skills to have a fruitful lifestyle of course). I am ambitious and a school is probably more than i will achieve but cultural issues wont disappear. That being said teachers that cared helped a lot and you would be making a big difference. just dont be a retard and a good heart will probably make something better than whatever current govs use as a guiding conscience in their designs.

>>24612777 (OP)
if we are all such geniuses and know better though why do so many lit autists struggle to survive in life? or are /lit/ posters still predom retards? all my teachers told me im super intelligent and gonna get free college and do great things but now im a felon struggling to survive. Better than those around me though in the same circumstance. IDK. I struggle sometimes with my desire to be "le intellectual" and try to learn about things when its done so little for me.

>>24612777 (OP)
>Why did I read "The Hate U Give" and not The Divine Comedy?
Because you are a yankee and so your absorb nigger-worshipping yankee culture, not Italian culture, which has nothing to do with you.
>If I ran a school
if

>>24614166
Im a felon who got statutory for sex that would be legal in your country. would you help me move there if i learned the language?

>>24614178
A walmart public shooting would get you before I could not help you

>>24614086
Sure. Whatever. My school can be a university for gifted boys. I don't care.

>>24614121
HOLY BASED ANON

>>24614125
Thank you anon that means a lot to me

>>24614133
I'm interested in educating people who are already high-achieving.

>>24612777 (OP)
I mean, you're right. School in its current state is basically a glorified daycare where kids can socialize and get used to the routine of having a 9-5. That was true when I graduated over a decade ago and seems even truer nowadays with how low standards have gotten. Always thought they should spend more time teaching kids actual life skills, especially in high school, and focus more on trades rather than trying to shove debt-inducing college down everyone's throats. Unless you're aiming for a specific type of job, you'll hardly need anything you learn beyond the fundamentals.

>>24612832
Network of homeschooling families.

Not OP but my ideal system, absent high IQ masculine boarding school, is an association of likeminded homeschooling parents who pool resources, regularly do stuff together, and can give specialized tutoring to all the kids in their area of expertise.

Public school is absolutely wild. People are different, they should be treated as such. Having everyone go into the same curriculum because of a belief in "equality" is utter madness. Somehow I got through school alive, thank God.

The system is absolutely crazy though. One kid wants to read, another wants to philosophize, a third kid just wants to fucking scream and jump around like an ape. In my class in elementary, the teachers divided our class into two class rooms: The kids that wanted to do math, and the kids that wanted to go fucking crazy (I'm not making this up.) The math room had me and 3 other dudes (male), we sat down and did math problems and were silent. The other room was like the ape cage at the zoo. We could still hear them and it was annoying, even though the door was locked.

Point is, people are different and trying to enforced on them all an equal "education" engenders more misery than it does "progress". I'm convinced that most people / the masses / "normies" don't have any desire for higher education at all, and only look at education as a means of "getting a good job", because that is the horizon of their possibilities as members of civilized society.

>>24612844
Nice, we didn't have any of that. I often thought that such class would be useful. As an adult I've learned that I actually enjoy being social and meeting people, it's just that school turned me into a recluse. 10 years of forced conditioning during your formative years will fuck you up for life, apparently.

Yeah I'm triple posting, sorry about that, but this shit just drives me up the wall
>I think homeschooling would be better
>"But how is your kid going to socialize? They won't get to meet people!"
Yeah right, being locked up in the same room as 20 other kids for 10 years straight and forced by a teacher to shut the fuck up is "socializing". Compared to being free, and able to go play or interact with any of the kids in your neighbour. It's just utterly wild. I legitimately feel sad for the poor kids who are stuck in school. You know some of them get so desperate they hurt or even kill themselves.

>>24612777 (OP)
Is this the difference between American and European school? We had, both in elementary and high school, all of the subjects you mentioned, as well as Logic, Geography, Sociology and Philosophy (in high school). Language and math were the most important subjects and at one point I was learning 5 languages at once. Reading books was obligatory, especially the classics and we'd have to write monthly essays on them. Nobody ever gave a fuck about the wokeness (in fact, it was looked down upon), we all formed our own opinions. Though there were always assholes who bitched about "none of this stuff will be useful to us in a few years time", but I'm sure they realized they were wrong. School was amazing and it teaches kids to think critically and for themselves. Those who didn't want to learn, they ended up working and not enrolling in any university. That's alright though, they will most likely be making more money than I will with my diploma. At least I discovered my love for reading through high school school.

>>24615723
The school you went to sounds very close to my vision for a school. I don't know the situation in Europe, but I know that American schools are really, really bad.

>>24615723
yes by jesus' bleeding hand holes there's a difference as wide and deep as the atlantic. in the united states of israel philosophy being a subject in high school would provoke a nation wide protest, all the four hundred kilogram 'farmers' (who are mere immigrant slave-drivers), who call themself protestant (but are merely bad faith actors) would take to the streets in a bovine profusion and drown the country in lipids. the issue is the playplay christian values america uses to obscure their insidious, unbelievable greed and bloodlust.

>>24615734
Can you explain why? The curriculum covers just the key philosophical periods, thinkers, and fundamental questions. Literally everyone needs to know this, it's common fucking sense. The fact that philosophy is seen as a threat rather than a tool for intellectual development says a lot about how deeply anti-intellectualism currently runs.

And we always started with the Greeks. Come to think of it, I think there has never been any subject where Socrates, Plato and Aristotle weren't mentioned. They were the blueprint.

Well, goddamn, the USA is fucked lol

>>24615767
modern day schools serve the parents not the interests of the child or state. in many schools evolution is still taught as theory in favour of creationism. philosophy long has run contrary to religion and critical thinking is seen as the seed for anti-institutional thinking. american schools are designed to enforce the same binary thinking that their two party democracy supposedly obeys. all conspires to funnel muttpigs into a lifelong dependency for uncle sam's glyphosate smoothies and idiotic "patriotism"

>>24615767
>Literally everyone needs to know this
There is literally no reason why the guy changing the tires on your car should "need" to learn about Descartes, Socrates, Hegel or Kant.

>>24615788
Well maybe he wouldn't be stuck changing car tires if he knew that stuff.

>>24615798
He wants to change car tires.

>>24615798
it's not about improving your placement on the social hierarchy dumbcunt. it's about self cultivation. clarity of mind.

>>24615804
>"They yearn for the mines"

>>24615806
>alas, I am content being a meager 9-to-5 hack, for I possess "clarity of mind."
Said nobody ever.

>>24615788
You are correct, he doesn't need to. But it will be mentioned throughout his education, whether he wants to pursue further is his choice. Changing tires doesn't mean you're not supposed to think ever again

>>24615823
>>24615788
This is a stupid argument. Think of it this way: would you rather live in a world full of people who understand philosophy, or people who don't?

>>24615823
if you conflate employment with quality of character then be courageous enough to judge yourself by that metric you heartless shrew.

>>24615831
The latter. I rather philosophers remain a minority.