Thread 24613052

>>24613052 (OP)
>racism is cured by traveling.
Oh no no boy you don't know what you are saying hahah

>>24613052 (OP)
both are cured by having a girlfriend

>>24613052 (OP)
I never really understood the almost spiritual quality people attribute to travelling. You see people talking about it like it's some sort of religious experience, when it's hardly more than a novelty.

>>24613052 (OP)
He always irked me because of the subtext he's implying.

>>24613076
*intensified

>>24613052 (OP)
racism is univocally cured by mdma

>>24613052 (OP)
kek no

>>24613052 (OP)
Borges totally destroyed Unamuno

>I really can't understand why people are so proud of being Basque... I already told you, I have that blood too, but when I list my origins, I'm very careful to forget about the Basques... Now, Valencia is something else... Look, I remember something I wrote in one of my stories: the Basques have done nothing else throughout history but milk cows; they've spent centuries milking. How long has it been since you read, or been read, by a Basque writer? The last one was the unbearable Unamuno;

>>24613102
Niebla mogs anything by that overrated faggot. Perfectly summarized by Nabokov:
>At first Véra and I were delighted by reading him. We felt we were on a portico, but we have learned that there was no house.
All surface, no depth.

>>24613052 (OP)
About that...

>>24613121
Hitler didn't travel outside Germany/Austria in his youth, though.

>>24613102
>I have that blood too, but when I list my origins, I'm very careful to forget about the Basques
>How long has it been since you read, or been read, by a Basque writer?
It's over for Basquebros

>>24613121
Wtf did you have this ready-to-go or did you patch it together to deliver fatal blow ?

>>24613229
He got it from twitter.

>>24613231
Many such cases

>>24613137
Unamano didn't specify though

>>24613231
i did

>>24613076
*by having a Black-Jewish girlfriend

>>24613052 (OP)
Funny knowing he supported Francisco Franco.

>>24613271
Franco wasn't a fascist, nor specially racist.

>>24613078
Especially in the modern age. Well-known landmarks are permanently overcrowded by third world vendors trying to sell your bracelets and chinese tourists being chinese tourists, Cities are literally all the same above a certain size, with the exact same third world slums and gaudy luxury districts, while smaller towns and the rural countryside are also on death's door everywhere with the average age being somewhere around 70.

There used to be a point to travelling, but it's a complete joke that there is any to it nowadays, in a world so globalized, commercialized and demographically shifted.

>>24613348
I wouldn't say it's a complete joke, it's certainly fun. Especially if you're interested in food or history. But it's hardly some life-changing, I'll-never-be-the-same affair.

>>24613348
Niggas love to pretend that spending three weeks in an airconditioned room and a chlorinated swimming pool in ankara is the same thing as hitchhiking alone through northern myanmar across the chinese border. the latter will irreparably reshape you through oppressive novelty and discomfort. proper travelling is not the same thing as a postcard holiday.

>>24613252
*Who makes it more exteme

>>24613118
trvke

>>24613137
He went to Belgium and a bit of France I reckon

>>24613353
It's not even about comfort vs. discomfort, but the idea that there are still places that you should go to because they and their culture is just so cool and unique. Like, who the fuck believes that contemporary Paris has anything to do with pre-WW2 Paris aside from geographical location and most landmarks still being there? Culture, meaning and society is an intricately interconnected spider's web, not a cargo cult where you can summon and partake in the spirit of ages and civilizations gone by through taking the billionth picture of the Eiffel and shit.

>>24613397
So just time travel? Unamuno didn't specify what kind of travel.

>>24613238
>filtered
You don't have to specify the obvious. Explanation is journalism.

>>24613052 (OP)
Reading made me a fascist and traveling abroad to see an immigrant-flooded Europe only served to stoke the embers of my burning racism. I don't think this man knows of what he speaks of.

Ideology is not derived from knowledge but rather given form by knowledge. Your ideology is, in a typical and ideal case, is wholly downstream from your existential needs and interests and your level of intelligence and knowledge only determines how elaborate your rationalization of these innate needs and interests are when you have to justify them against the ideologies of competing individuals and groups.

>>24613397
I'm currently on my second last day on a trip to Egypt and I can definitely say the culture is very different from the west

>>24613348
I agree and disagree

There is an encroaching sameness spreading across the world as it urbanizes. And maybe it is harder to waltz into a city and get swept up into something. But a lot of that comes down to how engaged or open you are, traveling often blooms through interaction with people. Then you'll realize your cultural difference and be brought to interesting byways.

I don't attribute this to your position but there's something to be said for the issue of mere appearances - indeed you don't walk into a city and behold something architecturally unique, with people dressed in unusual fashions or whatever, things are built the same and people are dressed the same - this makes for a less striking image, but it does not mean that they are the same.

That said - Peru is awesome. It has preserved its distinctiveness well

>fascism is-
I hate authoritarian socialists, you zogbot.
>racism is-
I'm not racist I just don't want to see my own race/culture erased on its own rightful clay, dumb zogbot.

>>24613562
>>fascism is-
>I hate authoritarian socialists
This just strikes me as hilariously childish. "You're doing authoritarianism wrong! You have to do it my way, the way I approve". Like, idiot, that's the point of authoritarianism, YOU don't get a say unless you are the one in power.

>>24613562
You sound Israeli

you know who else liked travelling?

>>24613402
Well if that's thd case you can write about exploits me and your mom have everyday.

>>24613052 (OP)
Back then “reading” didn’t mainly mean sword and sorcery sloppa, that’s why people who “read” itt are confused and still fascist

>>24613562
>I just don't want to see my own race/culture erased on its own rightful clay
You won’t have to worry, India is not in danger of this.

>>24613052 (OP)
someone should have told qutb that

this is actually super funny if you know the first thing about anglo imperialism.

>>24613052 (OP)
Actually, fascism and racism are also both caused by reading and travelling.

>>24613102
>The last one was the unbearable Unamuno;
....and Borges?

>>24613778
describe your travel experience

>>24613052 (OP)
Having enjoyed The Tragic Sense of Life it's a bit disappointing to know he also said something this retarded.

>>24613078
>>24613348
Based. I would extend this to tourism, visiting museums, walking/sports in nature, etc. as well. Seems like something that almost exclusively attracts people with an impoverished mind. Before someone gets offended: I said almost exclusively.

>>24613490
Wow, that's crazy.

>>24613052 (OP)
The more I read the more cemented I become in my reactionary beliefs so I am the living refutation to this quote.

>>24613975
Is it so incredible that city people are attracted to walking in nature as opposed to the sidewalks? I live in rural area and still start crying uncontrollably whenever I go to a forest.

>>24613078
It depends. Went to one trip and it was a relatively superficial experience.

The trip before then changed me in the core, I had a turn of taste in all things aesthetically and it is admittedly the only time in my life that I teared up over beauty.

Regardless... Traveling, inherently, disposes you toward adventure and novelty. I say this as only a mediocre example myself, personally, but it really is a skill issue.

>>24613660
Mental deficiency is really sad to see. Truly sorry anon. Change your attitude and life will get better for you. Cheers.

>>24613052 (OP)
I only became racist after travelling :(

I can't afford to travel
I could buy over 80 La Pléiade volumes for the price of a 2 week holiday to France

>>24613628
A truly terrifying case. O9A operative who traveled extensively for his insight role.

>>24613052 (OP)
If I wanted to turn a fascist away from fascism I would have more luck keeping him at home in front of a TV

>>24613897
An African guy tried to mug me in front of the Porta Nuova train station in Turin.

>>24613052 (OP)
Did this fellow ever travel to inner city Detroit and East LA?

>>24613055
it's true, but it's more that your prejudices get more specific and start applying to cultures rather than ethnicities

>>24613052 (OP)
Fascism exists because of people who travel too frequently.

>>24613052 (OP)
Whenever the subject of traveling comes up on 4chan it's almost unanimously scoffed at. Why? Because this place is filled with autistic freaks too poor and too scared to ever leave their gooncave. So they justify their inability to travel by pretending the only people who do it are e-thots looking to boost their instagram and fat boomers being shuffled around on a tourist bus.

>>24614122
You seem unstable.

>>24615518
What made you think that?

>>24613052 (OP)
>racism is cured by traveling.
This man has never been to modern Paris or Egypt

>>24613052 (OP)
sarcasm so fine OP couldn't detect it lmao

>>24613079

There is no subtext.

>>24613052 (OP)
Incredibly, embarassingly and insanely wrong to the point of parody. The most parochial and uncultured, naive and sheltered view one can have today is that the races are the same, and the only anyone ever became an actual Fascist was by reading enough Socialist literature to (wrongly) think that it has any value, and then to be worldly enough to realize that the only chance it ever even MIGHT work is in an ultranationalist society.

>>24613055
I visited Japan & now believe they are a master race.

>>24613052 (OP)
He has it backwards. Racism is cured by reading history and realizing every groups are capable of evil. Fascism is cured by traveling amongst your own people and realizing they're all subhumans.

>>24615591
There's no such thing as a "Master Race," the term was Herrenvolk, which means something more like "Noble People." It was translated as Master Race because that sounded meaner.

The Japanese definitely qualified.

>>24615591
>>24615656

The Japan is an island of anal-retentive neurotics with chronic OCD and non-sensical beliefs. Westerner's get bedazzled by clean walkways and fail to see the supreme insecurity and jealousy behind it.

>>24615094
or you just confirm your biases
travel to India, anon, and tell us all about it.

>>24615656
The literal meaning of Herr is master, lord, ruler etc.
Volk really does mean people, though.

>>24613121
Hitler wasn't very well read snd that shines through in everything he wrote. He has such a bad grasp of the german language it's actually degenerate

>>24613562
>race/culture erased on its own rightful clay
The same thing your subhuman ancestors did to other races/culture?

Travelling doesn't cure shit.
Literature can cure racism because art is the greatest way to interact with a foreign culture and reading the greatest writers from different languages and places can truly make you connect with a entirely different group of people. I was reading a 20th century albanian writer/poet recently and it made me grow quite fond of them even if a albanian prostitute stole money from my wallet once while I was high. Just look at how differently people view the east now that China, Japan and SK have made their cultural marks on the west apparent. I hate korean art because I know it's derivative from chinese and japanese art but I can see how it would make people see them as more than just shit eating made to be slave subhumans.

>>24615761
Thanks chat gpt

>>24615737
Lord is the most accurate. Master is Meister, Master-Race would be Meisterrasse. It's a direct cognate.

If you saw the word "Unterseeboot" and you had never heard the word submarine before, how would you translate it to English? Would you see "Below Water Vessel" or "Under Sea Boat."

There's no excuse for "Master Race" except that they wanted to imply--where it was lacking in the original--an implication of slavery or domination.

>>24613052 (OP)
What exactly is traveling going to teach you? As a kid me and my parents used to go to Turkey all the time and the locals were always super nice to me and I had a great time because I was staying in friendly and safe tourist spots. Does that magically change the crime statistics in my own country?

>>24615937
you didn't travel. you went on holiday with your parents.

>>24615940
Yeah, and every single moron who says stupid shit like "racism is cured by traveling" is also only talking about nice vacations in places where everyone is paid to be nice to them.

>>24613052 (OP)
He wrote that before Neoliberalism made everywhere everywhere else. Today racism is more just a product of which algorithms you get started on.

>>24613052 (OP)
I’ve read more than a thousand books and traveled to nearly every European country. This made me more racist and fascist.
>>24613055
Same arab, gypsie, african scammers and homeless near any Euro landmark or major city. It really jogs the noggin.

>>24613093
Not really. You get all huggy for a while and then it’s over. Unless you’re imagining some drip feed soma stupor for everyone constantly? Pretty sure tolerances fuck that up as well.

>>24613353
I’ve climbed Mt Fuji and Mt Olympus as far as hiking holidays go and again I struggle to understand your logic. Why would I hate foreigners less? Is it not self evident Japan is a great place to visit because it’s full of japanese?
Somehow the open borders people aren’t screaming for Tibet to be made Indian. They don’t want Africa to be 50% Chinese. I wonder why that is. In fact the only places you ever hear of “needing” diversity are western nations. And to the exact opposite we hear a lot about how we need to protect small native groups and their cultures from being absorbed by the majority ones. I thought the magic soil made us all the nationality and culture we stepped onto, but these people have been with us for centuries and need their uniqueness preserved? Yet Alibaba Jr is 100% Swedish? How does this mystery magic work exactly? How come those evil “expats” aren’t magically subsumed into other countries cultures and why are they assholes for sticking with their traditions, but it’s brave and powerful for some third world shitstain to bring their culture of hate and sexual emergency rapes to us?

The globohomo agenda doesn’t make any sense whatsoever if you overcome the brainwashing of kneejerk answers and shouting about racism.

>>24615940
>you didn't eat, you put food in your mouth and swallowed it

>>24613052 (OP)
Carrying water for the nascent tourism industry ...

>>24616294
Row row row your boat

>>24613052 (OP)
he also said that spain should africanize itself ;)

>>24613052 (OP)
I’ve probably read thousands of books in my life.
I am a Fascist.
I’ve been 12 countries across three continents.
I am the most racist man I know.

>>24613052 (OP)
I’ve interacted with people of other races before and it just made me more racist because the entire modern worldview is a lie and people are not gods that determine reality and people are not equal inherently good blank slates.

Modernity is dead and the next age is atavistic.

>>24615955
The world (for better or worse) is pretty different outside the west. Chuds are just so scared of non white people they never leave their suburb

>>24615546
There is though. He's basically implying middle Americans are Nazis

>>24613052 (OP)
Being into literature actually deprogrammed me from decades of propaganda. I read the Satyricon as a teenager and realsied the whole "love is love" narrative is false; I read Celine and Knut Hamsun and realised Nazis can be deeply empathetic, radically creative people; I read the Greeks and realised women are evil.
The idea reading somehow makes you more inclusive is laughable. Literature redpilled me more than anything else and I don't even religiously read chudlit like Evola, Wellbeck, Mishima, etc.

>>24616539
>I read the Greeks and realised women are evil.
Swing and a miss

>>24615887
Lord might be better, but I think "Noble" doesn't work. You make a good point about slavery, but Herr still shows rulership, although it can be more benevolent than the master/slave dynamic.

>>24616513
To be fair, India or whatever place you're referring to is actually pretty scary. The "chuds" don't want to leave their suburb and go to a place that's dangerous and unhygienic and neither does anyone else, that's why they always go to Japan or Europe. Just a shame that all the good cities in the west have been churned up culturally by shallow consumerism, rampant immigration, and social media algorithms into the Nike jacket-wearing, broken english-speaking, potentially violent mob you see clogging up a Starbucks in any major city, swiping away on their chinese-made phones.
So here in the 21st century, our travel options are either 1) a transient, plastic city just like your own, or 2) getting buruli ulcer and shooting an elephant. I can see what the comic was referring to now, I guess.

>>24616609
To be fair, not everyone is a pussy. You fear not e-coli or an elephant charge but being challenged in the little pig-pen you call a comfort zone. I hope you find the balls to leave the demarcated area one day. There's a whole world out there.

>>24613284
Franco supported Hitler, ergo Unamuno is indirectly supporting Hitler.

>>24616620
>You fear not e-coli or an elephant charge but being challenged in the little pig-pen you call a comfort zone
I fear e-coli and an elephant charge. You've just grown accustomed to a curated delusion, imagining motives and identities in people in order to justify your own nasty behavior towards them. Maybe your family taught you to be this way, maybe social media did. I'm sure it's convenient, being able to happily imagine all the bad people who disagree with you as this or that. In this way, spiritually, you are the same as the racist chuds you decry, manufacturing another person's thoughts or feelings inside your own head because it keeps you pleasantly ignorant of the actual world around you.
Now, you can whinge about people not going to places that are objectively terrible and proclaim "there's a whole world out there!" but deep down, everyone knows that you're just being dishonest. That you are a liar, even to yourself, turning places you've never been to into some attempt at manipulation.
I've seen enough by traveling. If I was interested, I could watch a vlog of someone else suffering through some hellhole like everyone else does. It's the human thing to do, to want the best experiences with the limited time we have. And that best is getting worse, that's the problem. The third world exists in two planes of existence: the brutal, smelly, ramshackle dystopia you see in national statistics, and the nice, fake-authentic, Disneyland version made up by and for white boomers. Don't get sissy because you haven't figured that out. Just chow down on some curry from a restaurant in your nice, white neighborhood and be thankful you never have to see the "whole world out there".

>>24616609
I haven't been to India but I have been to 3rd world/developing places solo. In most places you really only have to worry about getting scammed so long as you keep your wits about you.

>>24616692
I like some of what you said. I was too bitchy. But don't assume you know anything about me. I'm not from the first world and I've lived in Malawi and Myanmar for the last ten years of my life. They are poor countries, and these are the happiest people I've ever met.

>>24613078
People who struggle to discover the self will go out in search of themselves. This is a mistake because, shockingly, you are not somewhere else. You are literally here, wherever you are. People who can't even discover themselves at home will not find themselves fucking strangers in Paris or eating shit in India. The more grandiose or unnatural an idea they have of who they're supposed to be, the more discontent they are with their failure to achieve this deluded vision of themselves and the more compelled they feel to travel. They'll get addicted to this as a way of drowning out the silence in their hearts with constant stimulation and new experiences. The change of scenery feels like progress to them and travel becomes a replacement for personal growth.

>>24616513
I think it's more likely to turn intelligent people into general misanthropes, rather than humanists, who think according to realistic assessments for survival. Human beings are just coercive, violent mechanized chimps. There's nothing worth preserving or protecting in this vile species outside of one's own interests. It's not hard for any population to be debased, like rundown areas of Eastern Europe or ancient China during famine and plague, resorting to "inhumane" Peter Scully tier acts like cannibalism, corruption, human trafficking, etc. to survive much like chimps. I think travelling is a waste of time for non-intellectuals since they'll just see what they want anyways (i.e., perception is theory-laden).
I think UG Krishnamurti got it right in his "Swan Song":
>The only test for me is money. How free you are with your money? I don’t mean, “How wasteful you are with your money?”
The vast majority of peoples' "belief" or even "traditions" just serve as pretexts for material interests or so on. There's a reason you can model human collective behavior with ~95% accuracy based on human behavioral ecological principles.
I think the worst people in this world are paradoxically humanists, which coincidentally many Westerners tend to be, because they think human beings naturally lean towards the "good" when materially fulfilled; human beings have largely leaned towards the "evil" since time immemorial due to hard biological and evolutionary facts. I think it's interesting how both the far-right and far-left are fundamentally humanists, and the more intelligent, cold, and technocratic view that's based on human behavioral computational models are dying out.
I think it would be nice to destroy the global economy, supply chains, and analyze the trends of behaviors across various races. If I were a Satanic elite, I would do this while data mining the trends with a smirk on my face.
>>24616692
>elephant charge
Elephants are highly intelligent and sensitive beings. Subhuman garbage like you is unable to remain on topic or think with any criticality.

>>24616546
Nta
>swing and a miss
/we're at just that point of the season where the Red Sox have me believin'

>Travel 'cures' racism
Bro

>>24616890
This evokes sympathy in me. How don't you feel for those who live here.

>>24616890
Europeans did that kind of shit to themselves too.

>>24616890
the anthony bourdain niggas in this thread were right; i am happy i'm in my comfy bedroom and not here!
>Eat at a local restaurant tonight
>Get the cream sauce

>>24616727
How's the war over there?

>>24617498
Not as bad as the war in my butt. Just had a burrito prepared by my Indian boyfriend.

>>24614817
what is this text from?

>>24617498
I've only been back to Myanmar once since the overthrow. It was heartbreaking. The war is fought only on the outskirts of the country. A lot of young writers and poets and journalists I knew from the city went there to fight. I hope their work will be translated one day.

>>24616539
Women are no more evil than wolves and lions are evil. Evil implies a deliberateness that is contradictory with nature's lack of deliberateness. Only men can be truly evil because only men possess the agency to make meaningful decisions one way or another.

>>24613052 (OP)
Would simply take this guy to Venice Italy and then to Lagos's 'Venice'.

>>24616620
you are the one who has grown comfortable within your white middle class suburb. If you actually lived in some third world shithole amongst the people and not some tourist spot, or even just some ghetto in your own country, you'd know that fear of other people is 100% justified. White liberals are just completely detached from reality, they live in a fantasy world.

>>24616916
Sympathy for what? The people who live there are the ones who made the place the way it is.

>>24616546
>Clytaemnestra, Hera, Medea, Helen of Troy
Yeah, fag, I'm thinking you're gay!

>>24616916
Europe got bombed to pieces but the people went and cleaned it up and rebuilt. There's no excuse. A people who let their country and community fall into dissary are not deserving of sympathy.
>>24616930
>industrialisation = shitting on the streets
Nice one, Abduhl.

>>24617504
Careful here. Not for the faint of heart.

>>24613055
Jared Taylor developed his views after visiting Africa lmao.

>>24618483
I came here to say this

>>24615761
He was well-read. His deep interest in literature and the arts is discussed on biographies of him and even on some of the biographies of his favorite authors (in the "how did this influence Hitler way).
>>24613052 (OP)
Reading made me more fascist and traveling made me more racist. Bourgeois leftists travel to the most affluent tourist destinations with a retinue of simps, guides, and guards and think they are authentically experiencing a culture because if it. They rarely experience the world outside of their carefully curated social bubble. It reminds me of how India was always presented as a very spiritual and lofty place prior to the availability of mass tourism and the internet. Mishima mentions that where he expected this kind of spirituality, he found flies, feces (unironically), blood and barbarity. A bourgeois leftist would hardly have had this kind of experience because they would have attended only to the upper echelons of society, meeting with royalty, princes, the bourgeois of each respective culture, etc.

The bourgeois really do form a sort of international vanguard that makes this cross-cultural world-without-borders seem more realistic than it is.

>>24618628
Inhaling smog and getting in contact with industrial toxins like lead, asbestos, and DDT is just as bad.

https://youtu.be/CUDVuugQmxE?si=bL9nnAe2GRG_5Osj

>>24618628
Inhaling smog and getting in contact with industrial toxins like lead, asbestos, and DDT is just as bad. Roundup and glyphosates are still regularly used and not good for health either.

https://youtu.be/CUDVuugQmxE?si=bL9nnAe2GRG_5Osj

>>24616539
yup, The only way more reading would make you more inclusive/leftist is if you exclusively read a carefully curated list of Leftyslop all through grade school and liberal arts college

>>24618898
India is a very spiritual place. It's possibly the best place to get a view of the human spirit in action. It's intense, face-paced, and in your face all the time. The human spirit is chaotic, sexual, and often a disgusting affair, but this is the very pot in which developments of the human spirit and culture happen.