Thread 24625399

How would you write an Isekai novel worth reading ?

>>24625399 (OP)
I quite enjoyed Ascendance of a Bookworm.
I'm pretty sure none of what's on your bingo applies, from what I remember.

>>24625399 (OP)
im no slop consumer on a large scale but many of these decisions are based
>religion is full of assholles
most people are religious or otherwise
>slavery
makes sense in many settings
>90% of (main) cast are girls
girls are hotter to look at and cute, not necessary to have many active males for the story
>harem never infights
you would think that would be a prereq for admittance in the first place
>japanese superior
speaks for itself
>highschooler = master engineer
literally me
>token cute pet
whats the problem with cute pets?
>nekomimi are beastmen
if there were a race with different ears in this world they woudl likely have at least some genetic differences beyond appearance and cultural divides and discrimination
>base 10 gold to yen
demographic for the readers to understand value
most of the rest are indeed issues if not handled with good reason and context

>>24625409
Myne is retarded.
Otherside Picnic is way better.

the fundamental issue in isekai is the sort of shifting into another reality calls into question mans relationship with his world/situation.
the good use of an isekai would be something that sort of meditates or deals with that at all.
If you have problems in this left, are sent to an isekai, it should affirm you are never able to fix your problems without engaging with them and are a fundamentally compromised person incapable of any basic moral or rational engagement with things in this sort of pseudoreality.
it could go in the direction of just being stuck in that and trying to make sense of it (this is how most do it I don't like it as they end up justifying it)
or just endlessly trying to get back
or getting back and maybe nothings actually changed and they were exactly where they were when they left and none of their problems are easier or have any pass over

the people in the isekai world should be fundamentally hostile to the player and distrustful, the "other worldness" should be stressed way more than it acutally is and the foreign aspect and the hostility that creates in everyone

i find the whole way isekai's typically work pretty morally repulsive

you might be able to do something with someone in a horrible situation some kind of neet like they typically do in a bad situation (like alcoholic single parent, living in a bad area, they are abused, they have a cat they are close to or something that their parent kills to spite them and that's what intiates whatever drama that leads them going to the isekai world).
then they go to the isekai world and they have some excitement but it's fairly hostile and even when they get some power or something the extreme alienation and hostility remains, and they start to miss some of the aspects of their home more and appreciate them. would end with them finally getting back "somehow" and just being in the same horrible situation with nothing improved but maybe some perspective shift or something

>>24625548
>they end up justifying it
why justifying the main character staying in the other world, that is usually established as being as real as his original world, a problem for you ?

>the people in the isekai world should be fundamentally hostile to the player and distrustful
why?
also why the term "player" ?

>>24625570
it's just antithetical to any genuine understanding of the human person and their thrownness and how we are attached to a culture, a world and reality.
The idea the person could be from another world originally and function in our world is similarly absurd.

anyone who thinks the idea of an isekai thing is any way positive is probably a porn addict and likely will end up a suicide.

>>24625574
>it's just antithetical to any genuine understanding of the human person and their thrownness
how ?

>how we are attached to a culture, a world and reality
not everyone is as attached to those things

>The idea the person could be from another world originally and function in our world is similarly absurd.
why? people already move across societies with vastly different cultures and do just fine, many even going full native
Given the people on the other world having a base psychology similar enough to our(what they should being that they are usually just humans) it shouldn't have much difference from irl cultural shocks

>>24625586
you are a retard read something other than light novels lmao

>>24625590
concession accepted

Harem never in fights. The harem is the chik fil a cows who are always talking jn medieval latin about the apocalypse or the weather though.

>>24625399 (OP)
>How would you write an Isekai novel worth reading ?
Write about being a closeted homosexual, and then paper over the homosexuality with genre specific features. So like Bret Easton-Ellis did with American Psycho.

>>24625399 (OP)
>Superior Japanese culture
I guess?
>Monster Evolution
Not a lot of it but it does make no sense
>Evil God/Demon King
Bingo
>Medieval has modern amenities
Not really
>Harem never infights
They fight all the time
>Highschooler = Master engineer
None
>Game mechanics
Sometimes?
>Skill listing lasts several chapters
They have skills but don't really focus on them
>Adventurers guild
None
>Male comedic relief
Both mc and him are comedic relief
>Religion is assholes
Bingo
>Reborn as X
Well the point is trying to turn mc back to a human but it usually happens at the end so
>Truck-kun
Used as a gag I think?
>Access to wiki
Depends on which chapters
>90% of the cast are girls
If it's 70-30 does it still count?
>Token cute pet
Bingo
>Nekomimi are Beastmen
Well, kind of
>Here's everything you will ever need
Mc usually brings stuffs with him, or it doesn't really matter most of the time so bingo?
>Standard D&D
Well no but yes
>The most useless skill is OP
Depends on the chapters and who have the skills
>Auto-Translation
Bingo
>Base 10 gold to Yen
Not really
>Explain how magic works disregard
Bingo hard
>Slavery
Maybe?
>Backstabbing retards formed a working government
They are either clowns or killed themselves so bingo?

>>24625399 (OP)
I am very technically writing an isekai since it's people moving to a foreign world. Being fantasy not-Western Medieval people being transported to Wuxia China. Absolutely none of those tropes because they are fucking suck. Video gamey, harem or system slop makes me want to bash my head in. I also don't get the taste people have for beastmen, retard religions or having modern shit in a medieval world, especially that last one. I think it ruins the aesthetic and is nonsensical.

>>24625399 (OP)
Lonely salaryman (literally me) gets hit by a truck and sent to a fantasy world... which is basically just 10th century Germany. Part of the story comes from the conflict between the man's worldview (and its underlying materialist-reductionist philosophy) and the worldview of everyone else in the world (heavily based on medieval Catholic thought). The material conditions of his original world and the new one are contrasted, but so is the meaning the average person finds in each world, based on their worldview. The concrete conflict in the story will be a total ripoff of the Crusades. Stealth references to the thought of Przywara, Ulrich, John Paul II, and the Medievals sprinkled throughout. Romance subplot featuring the in-universe equivalent of a forcefully turned vampire because vampire romance is my fetish.

>>24625399 (OP)
"So I'm a Spider, so what?" still has some of these tropes but generally puts an interesting twist on the genre.

I read it a few years ago so I forgot some details, but I remember the explanation for the game-like system being that the gods are using it to harvest the soul power of all living creatures part of the system by absorbing all the skills they accumulated at death and reincarnating them to start anew.

The main factions are the demon lord, who wants to destroy humanity as revenge for them taking advantage of her favorite Goddess and potentially save the Goddess, the main character who got reincarnated into the world with her whole classroom and wants to save them all while also helping the demon lord save the Goddess to repay her debt, the church pope who keeps his memories on reincarnation and wants to save humanity from extinction, not necessarily out of love of humanity, but because of his love for the Goddess. Then the Elf chieftain who is hoarding lost technology and wants to kill the top God and become immortal. He uses metal puppets, armies of droids, runs a human trafficking ring to gather the powerful reincarnated students and info, hides in the forcefield-protected village not-so-subtly based on Israel, and is constantly at odds with both the demon lord and pope. One of the other student reincarnations is the hero, but nobody cares about him and his older brother mogs him anyways. The world is surprising well-thought out.

By actually making it *MEDIEVAL* fantasy instead of a DnD / LOTR clone. They had such a big compendium of weird animals too, it's the easiest thing ever.
For how popular the medieval fantasy genre is, there has been a grand total of zero instance of such a thing in manga and vidya

>>24625399 (OP)
That image just proves the Mushoku Tensei is the greatest anime of all time

>>24625399 (OP)
r8 my idea
>MC is the son of an isekai'd salaryman/civil servant and a lesser noble
>dad killed the demon king in his youth and becomes a big hero, but not big enough to get any meaningful societal change done (monarchies are still a thing, so are slaves etc.)
>growing up MC learned about stuff like democracy, equality, rights from our world
>killing the demon king caused all of the magic energy in the world to slowly start disappearing
>started slowly at first, but now come around the start of the story healing magic fireball can now only be afforded by the aristocracy
>story starts with dad's funeral, and now various parties start to move now that the "big deterrent" is gone

>>24626859
>give medieval peasants say in their government
Honestly would be funny to deconstruct “genre” this by having the peasants vote to have the mc’s waifu burned at the stake.

>>24626946
this “genre”*

>>24626946
I was thinking that the mc's fate would be like Richard Cromwell

>>24625399 (OP)
I would avoid every single one of these cliches by writing a scifi isekai, and I would unintentionally fill my work with other cliches instead.

>>24625409
I agree, though to be a nitpicking autist I think you could technically make a partial case for these. But there’s also some opposite points to be made
>The churches happen to have people in them that are assholes in the story. But it’s also a main plot that the nobility secularized and stopped caring about the church’s, sending people they don’t like there to have them out of the way. No longer maintaining many religious practices that made their land more bountiful. It’s a whole plot point that myne has a positive opinion of the churches while the rest of the nobility do not.
>theirs technically those magic rabbit things from the royal academy library. I think they made more at some point later in the story. I don’t know if any March was ever made of them. They play a minor role in the story.
>myne does technically get auto translation but it’s just by having the memories of herself in isekai self from before the regained her memories of her earth self.