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Anonymous No.24627969 [Report] >>24627991 >>24627992 >>24627995 >>24628008 >>24628011 >>24629385 >>24630248 >>24630289
>"intelectuals" all start by reading the same ancient authors then build a theory inspired by these authors
>"intelectuals" don't arrive at the same conclusions, despite having the same base knowledge
What gives?
Anonymous No.24627985 [Report]
i have no idea
Anonymous No.24627991 [Report]
>>24627969 (OP)
>we all read your post
>some of us think you’re retarded some of us think you’re a faggot some of us think both despite all having read the same thing
Anonymous No.24627992 [Report]
>>24627969 (OP)
Thought evolves through epistemology
Anonymous No.24627995 [Report]
>>24627969 (OP)
if you are the smart one, its your job to figure it out. its a curse because as smart as teh biggest brains are, its not enough. its never enough
Anonymous No.24628008 [Report]
>>24627969 (OP)
>You can spot those people who live inside their own image by the fact that
they always expect to be recognized. It is very strange to move amongst such people. You end up recognizing them even when they are nobodies. And they end up recognizing you even when you are a nobody. This creates an idolatrous
familiarity which is the characteristic atmosphere of intellectual circles. You can make yourself an easy reputation in such circles by affecting this air of anticipated recognition and furtive celebrity which raises you for a moment above the common herd. Without this nudge from fame, intellectuals would have no existence of their own. Without this figurative existence they would be reduced to going for each others' throats.

Let he or she or maybe both who is without sin cast the first stone.
Anonymous No.24628011 [Report]
>>24627969 (OP)
Everywhere we look, we see ourselves.
Anonymous No.24629254 [Report]
Bump
Anonymous No.24629256 [Report]
Intellectuals have thoughts of their own that they build off the foundations of what they learn. Knowledge vs information. Copy vs reference.
Anonymous No.24629260 [Report]
There is so much gray area within which reasonable minds can differ.
Anonymous No.24629301 [Report] >>24629310
basically 0 intellectuals actually start with the ancient authors lol
i'd estimate the % of intellectuals who have finished aristotle's metaphysics and read the greek tragedies to be sub 1%
Anonymous No.24629310 [Report] >>24629332 >>24629341
>>24629301
Why are you just making shit up? Look at any great author, in almost of their works they make allusions to ancient ideas and authors. Look at philosophers, they all reference older philosophers. Scientists build on the experiments and ideas of ancient philosophers too. So again, what are you talking about?
Anonymous No.24629332 [Report]
>>24629310
I was mostly referring to current intellectuals not authors of "great works" but honestly even then, if you actually read them they pretty obviously have massive blind spots and just repeat biases of the age and assumptions about works they haven't read. The views they had of the scholastic/medieval and greeks are often hilariously off and it manifestly clear they never had any serious engagement with their work.

It's where you get gaps like in Nietzsche where he assumed all Christianity to essentially be something like the german lutheranism he was raised in and he seemed to have essentially no familiarity with the medieval and patristic traditions which are quite contrary to the Lutheran view and much more in line with his views.

They were much more selective about what they read historically and just in terms of access and discussion you don't have the ability like you do now to instantly see all over the world anyone talking about any book, they would have focused on certain ones and often had huge blind spots that maybe there just wasn't any discussion around at the time (the view of the latin tradition being the most obvious one in protestant cultures, whether you agree with it or not the lack of understanding of it is pretty glaring and also understandable just due to their environment)

As I said for actual current "intellectuals" now broadly speaking including academic philosophers I'd estimate the % who have actually seriously engaged with the historical works (dramatic as well as philosophical) to be sub 1% if even sub .1%

If you focus more historically at authors of "great works" It would be substantially higher but I still do not think it would be complete, they'd focus on certain traditions or schools and have some gaps and some quirks of interpretation due to how things are being discussed at the time.

The idea any one individual can "master" the classics in some absolute way and that everyone who does that should get the same thing is just a fundamental misunderstanding of what people are doing.
Everyone approaches them with certain perspectives, preconceptions, biases, focus on certain traditions and books, emphasize certain things over others, and just have certain gaps. That's fine the idea any one person can actually master everything is just delusional and comes off as the person just being afraid of actually taking a stance and going out on a limb where they could be wrong.
Anonymous No.24629341 [Report]
>>24629310
As a really good point on this a huge influence on all the scientific authors was astrology and alchemy. It was a fundamental part of basically all work and foundational scientific texts.
Do you have any idea how a natal chart even works? What a sect malefic is? It was a huge part of European and the western intellectual tradition in general but it is basically not discussed or looked into at all post the 18th century.
How many of the scientists who look to Isaac Newton with reverence now have any understanding of the alchemy that was his principle influence and motivation? Of the early Church fathers newton specialized in and focused on?

Most people like you are just totally ignorant of these traditions and their influence, assuming because you don't know about them they must not actually matter even though they are some of the most influential texts in history.

It's just a reality that these authors had a selective relationship with the "great works" in general and prioritized and focused on certain things while largely just not exploring others, and were often much more influenced by other traditions that are largely dead now, that aren't considered a part of the great books that modern people have 0 understanding of and just glaze over references too because we assume "if we don't consider it a great work it must not matter".
I ignore women No.24629385 [Report]
>>24627969 (OP)
>intelectuals
Anonymous No.24630248 [Report]
>>24627969 (OP)
Difference in experiences. Experiences and genetics both shape who we are and the way we think
Anonymous No.24630289 [Report]
>>24627969 (OP)
Thought, both creative and analytical, is a culturally mediated process. Ideas are a product of history as much as they are of individual genius.