Thread 24630606

>>24630606 (OP)
Where’s the lie

>>24630606 (OP)
It makes people seethe, but this is true.

>>24630609
I think it is a valid point but just like atheists with God, anti Zionists do not pause to consider the implications of their philosophy. It’s no coincidence that he greatest moral depravity of the west was only achievable under extreme antisemitism

>>24630606 (OP)
>hey are not merely the most moral army in the world
They're a bunch of filthy rapists and child-killers. Stick to self-help, Jordy.

>>24630606 (OP)
>Dostoevsky once said that without God, everything is permitted.

Why do christcucks admit that without the fear of God watching them they would start raping and murdering wantonly. Do they think this is a good thing to admit in polite company?

>>24630606 (OP)
A crippled mediocre man who sought to play doctor on the world to cure himself. A feeble mind whose only shoddy sanctum was pills and peptalks to slovenly college miscreants who financed his hair transplants.

Father to a whore. Husband to a fraud. He played the jester. His fist up the ass of a Kermit the Frog puppet. Playing it up.

He comes to detest his body which lied broken with his soul in some Russian woodshed they called a hospital. His family had shut him up there. For years? His gasps of agony went unheard. Rude, foreign voices attended him. No one in the world beyond remembered his words or sought his face. He raved of something that onced seemed a reality but now comes as a warped, gnomish dream. A potbellied goblin, smoking a blunt, insisting his assistant pull something up on a blindingly bright screen. Then they spoke of cannibalistic chimps, shadowy dragons, postmodern neomarxists. The burly nurse plunges the catheter up into his bladder.

Now returned to civilization. He grins for the welcome mat. Realizes the shortness of it. How cynically the media touches him, holding him by the edges. He is frought with disgust as he uploads his latest exhibitionist blubbering to his YouTube channel. Something is missing. They have all moved on without him. A word haunts him. Covering it all in a slime that sickens him. Outdated.

Pictures of his daughter prancing around in lobster-themed lingerie are posted on his Instagram feed. He knows a legion of directionless young men in uncleaned rooms are jerking off to his daughter. She takes their money like a whore. And he too feels a tinge in his nearly defunct penis as he gazes feverishly upon the whorish images. Little whore. My little whore, he hoarsely whispers to himself. Fumbling with the cap of the Xanax bottle.

An atheist. A jesuit. A jungian. A masonic celebrity. A superfluous man.

In short, a neoliberal.

>>24630606 (OP)
I don't care who Ben Shapiro pays to shill for him, I'm not paying taxes so they can be used to defend a foreign ethnostate. I'm especially not paying to financially support one founded by retards who could have settled anywhere in the world and decided to take over the only region in which they knew they would be surrounded by people that hate them and want them gone.

>>24630651
Even people like Hobbes said this was the natural order of men without a hugher power (the higher power being the state), and Schopenhauer felt that if we eliminated strife, people would just fight for no reason because its "something to do". Its not a Christian thing at all. We are quarrelsome by nature. All the advances in science does not change who we are. Global atheism doesn't solve this.

>>24630606 (OP)
We get it you worthless fucking shills. Yes he's a jewish tool. Yes he's using Christianity to bait fucking retards into supporting the jews. No, that isn't what Christianity is about and most retards listening to him have no clue what he's on half the time. Can you stop shilling this bullshit already, it's getting old and boring fast

>>24630718
>We are quarrelsome by nature.
Wrong. Source: Me.

Nothing is true everything is permitted is something that burroughs rambled on about i thought.

>>24630606 (OP)
If God is all good, and all powerful, Evil existing is according to God's will, and it ultimately serves the end of Good. This means Christians don't believe in Evil, everything is turned to Good in the end. Ironic that they lack any basis from which to condemn Evil. Same with Justice, God sets everything right in the end, so why bother with courts and police and all that? Why not just try to die as soon as possible to be gathered to the arms of Jesus sooner? The whole ideology falls apart on the most cursory examination and requires titanic levels of cope and contradiction which boils down to "I value my life, my material goods, and pleasure more than this retarded fairy tale I pretend to believe in". Comic.

>>24630778
Yeah haha Israel and the Jews don’t have Christian support unless you count every right wing party and figure in Europe and the GOP in America

>>24630820
Stop acting all high and mighty and just say what you are saying clearer, fag: you're just reciting "if God exists, why does evil exist?" AKA the Problem of Evil which has been refuted numerous times, but of course you genius will never read any of those books because you aren't interested in seeing other people's perspectives, just justifying your hedonistic bullshit.

Also Christianity isn't Buddhism. Unless you're a mega retarded Prottie who thinks just believing in Jesus will take you to Heaven, you actually do need to do good acts and live a good live to go there. Killing yourself counts as murder and will take you to Hell you halfwit

>>24630830
t. uncultured moron

Read about the Scofield Bible you utter fag and stop trying to argue when you haven't got a clue what's actually going on

>>24630800
What Burroughs would say about Peterson?

>>24630837
Evil doesn't exist, remember? The thing we think of as Evil exists for a purpose that an all loving God sees fit, therefore it factors into a plan for the ultimate Good, making it a requirement for ultimate Good, and thus an ultimate Good in itself.

Or are you saying that Evil exists in spite of God's will? That would be a pretty impotent or morally compromised God.

>>24630857
I'm not even going to bother discussing this with you here, because I have discussed it numerous times and every time it just turns into imbeciles of your kind trying to spin words around and speak pretentiously while in reality they're just repeating the same point over and over.

There are plenty of Christian responses to the Problem of Evil. Read the ancient Saints and the Doctors of the Church. Of course you won't do it because you aren't planning to take other opinions on good faith, this is just you pathetically trying to convince yourself that what you do is right by "dunking on them Christians". You are an insult to genuine atheists willing to learn other positions

>>24630871
I'm bringing up the solved problem of Evil you dunce, and you can't attack it because I am already using the form that Christians use to cope. You literally don't even know what angle to attack it because of how blatantly absurd the Christian view is and how indefensible it is. But sure, "you won't bother discussing it" while you proceed to dedicate multiple posts to responding to me lol

>>24630881
How predictable. You did exactly what I said you would do. And of course you think you know everything about Christianity and its views, because you're just so clever.

The saddest part is my responses are just trying to get people like you to investigate other viewpoints. I am not even attacking yours, just trying to get you to hang your bias for a sec and read more. Alas, everytime it's the same with your kind. I'm thankful I grew up being able to consider different opinions instead of being so blinded.

>>24630849
Probably that peterson was a control junky or nova police.

>>24630841
Holy sh*t, JD Vance, Jeb Bush, Roger Scruton, Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden are—evangelicals?

>>24630898
No, those are jews. They all were on Epstein's island, which is obviously not a Christian thing to do. They can claim all they want that they belong to a religion they don't and are just using as a shielding mechanism

>>24630900
>not a Christian thing to do

>>24630900
Deranged post

>>24630893
Absolute hilarity that you call me an imbecile, accuse me of being arrogant in the assumption that I know everything (despite the fact that I demonstrated exactly the conditions of an opposing view of my own), and then you have the jaw dropping lack of self awareness to crow about how you are not blinded and can consider different opinions without bias while posting zero substance. You are the exact comic caricature of the arrogant and ignorant nitwit who smugly claims they are of a whole different and transcendent breed. Good lord you must be insufferable to be around in real life. But continue proving you can't even keep your own position straight as you continue bothering yourself with discussing this matter when you said you wouldn't. Genius move in that first post, by the way, all us mere plebeians in this inferior breed shall surely learn a lot by your lofty example.

>>24630606 (OP)
I am ready to go back to the days when Christians, Muslims, and Jews all actively hated each other and sought each others' ruin. The unilateral disarmament of Christians has proven to be a catastrophic mistake. Christians need to go back to actively seeking violence against both Jews and Muslims. We need to completely blow up the current state of the West.

>>24630609
>>24630611
>>24630612

people actually say 4chan isn't run by Mossad

>>24631225
>he doesn’t know that back in trad days Christians would frequently ally with Muslims against other Christians even in invasions of European lands
>he doesn’t know that Christians literally gave a coat of arms and entitled nobility to the Rothschilds in recognition of their record of always being willing to loan money to the Hapsburgs
>he doesn’t know that Christians wiped out every European religion BUT Jews including but not limited to every Christian sect that had some sort of different wording about the Eucharist or incarnation or what have you

>>24630651
>Madalyn Murray O'Hair (née Mays; April 13, 1919 – September 29, 1995)[1] was an American activist supporting atheism, separation of church and state, and feminism. In 1963, she founded American Atheists and served as its president

>On August 27, 1995, O'Hair, her son Jon Garth Murray, and her granddaughter Robin Murray O'Hair disappeared from their home and office.[3] A typewritten note was attached to the locked office door, saying "The Murray O'Hair family has been called out of town on an emergency basis. We do not know how long we will be gone at the time of the writing of this memo." When police entered O'Hair's home, it looked as if they had left suddenly.[21] The trio said in phone calls that they were on "business" in San Antonio, Texas.[3] Garth Murray ordered US$600,000 worth of gold coins from a San Antonio jeweler, but took delivery of only $500,000 worth of coins. Until September 27, American Atheists employees received several mobile calls from Robin and Jon, but neither explained why they had left or when they would return; employees reported that their voices sounded strained and disturbed.

>In 1999, nearly four years after the August 1995 disappearances, continued prodding and investigative leads from the various reporters[38] finally led the official investigation to focus on David Roland Waters, a felon with a violent history who had started working for American Atheists in 1993. In May 1995, Waters had pleaded guilty to stealing $54,000 from the organization in 1994.[39] When Waters received a lenient sentence, O'Hair published an article in the American Atheists newsletter in which she exposed the theft of the money – along with his previous crimes.[21] O'Hair claimed that, at the age of 17, Waters had killed another teenager and had been sentenced to eight years in prison.[21][39] When the authorities finally pursued the Waters connection in 1999, Waters' former girlfriend, Patty Steffens, confirmed that Waters had vowed violent revenge after reading O'Hair's article.

>Federal agents for the FBI and the IRS, along with the police, concluded that Waters and his accomplices (Gary Paul Karr and Danny Fry)[40] had kidnapped all three Murray/O'Hair family members, forced them to withdraw the missing funds, gone on several shopping sprees with their money and credit cards, and killed and dismembered all three.[40] A few days after O'Hair and her son and granddaughter were killed, Waters and Karr killed Fry. His body was found on a riverbed in rural Dallas County in October 1995, but his head and hands were missing; as a result, his remains were not identified for three and a half years

>most moral army in the world
>gleefully genocides hundreds of thousands of innocent children
Doesn’t really track

>>24631281
I’m so tired of this sanctimonious simping for Muslims, there is nothing Christian in the traditional sense about simping for Muslims

>>24631306
There's nothing Christian about simping for child killers.

>>24631306
you are cartoonishly evil

>>24630651
Thing is, atheists will say this but then argue for morality from emotion. Then one thing dumber than
>I act morally because else the great jew in the heavens will punish me
is
>I act morally because killing and raping would give me the bad feelsies

>>24630606 (OP)
>the international community
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibz-gPkTMDM

>>24630961
Par for the course with Christchuds, I'm afraid.

>>24631306
If the claim of deliberate murder of innocents brings forth such a reaction you're then implying Christians to be in favour of murder (of innocents.)

Good thing I don't base my moral compass around Christian values then!

>>24631540
Atheists have murdered more people than anyone in history except Muslims

>>24631549
You're murdering me sides, lad.

>>24630871
>because you aren't planning to take other opinions on good faith
>t. the bad faith retard who just said he wasn't going to discuss the topic, only to discuss it and give a bunch of references and reading recommendations
Sure, they responded so well that you can't even bring yourself to repeat their response because you know how easy it will be to dissect and debunk.

>>24630893
>I am not even attacking yours
You clearly are, though, you are attacking his arguments are entirely semantic (before you have even heard them) and concluding they aren't even worth reading or discussing.

>>24630900
Wouldn't JD Vance have been in his teens in the 90s when Epstein's island was at its peak?
Are you saying he was a teenage trafficking victim or you just don't know what you are talking about and didn't even realize what you are saying?

>>24630606 (OP)
>most moral army in the world
That's true because modern western morality comes down to "I'm allowed to do everything because I'm inherently good, therefore everything I do is good as well". Israel represents that perfectly

>>24630606 (OP)
Dostoevsky was a gambling womanizer but still he wasn't retarded enough to bend the knee to jewry

>>24631445
Ok cuck good luck getting that magical fire demon to feel your feeling for you.

>>24631549
No, what you really mean is that jews have murdered more people under the guise of atheism than any of their other schemes, but even that isn't true.

>>24631445
I don't think morality is emotional. It's very pragmatic in a way. I don't want to live in a society where I or anyone I know could be randomly murdered at any time. You can't even really have much of a society like that.

>>24630606 (OP)
If Israel is the underpinning of the moral order of the world, then that moral order is depraved

>>24630606 (OP)
>Called "Is Real"
>It's not real.
What did the Demiurge mean by this ?

>with god, everything is permitted
checkmate

>>24630893
>Alas, everytime it's the same with your kind. I'm thankful I grew up being able to consider different opinions instead of being so blinded.
I don't know how anyone can deny at this point that tradcels have done a complete 180°.

>>24630651
why is that bad to admit, exactly? there is no normative basis for morality underneath atheism whatsoever

>>24631837
>morality is "feelings"

>>24631842
is that how you cope.

>>24630820
>evil isn't real (since it is literally bereft of god)
Yes. I don't see an argument anywhere, other than the idea making you mad.

>>24633388
So you can walk into a children's hospital, go to the cancer ward, and walk among the beds of tormented, terminally ill children and proclaim "God's goodness is on full display here, this is part of His divine plan which culminates in the ultimate Good. I am glad these children are cancer stricken and suffering and terminal, it is God's will thus it is my will!"? You would have to be willing to do this to be consistent in your worldview.

>>24633406
>So you can walk into a children's hospital, go to the cancer ward, and walk among the beds of tormented, terminally ill children and proclaim "God's goodness is on full display here, this is part of His divine plan which culminates in the ultimate Good.
Basically, you ultimately see life as a mistake and worthless.

>>24633409
I have not yet revealed my beliefs, but it is telling that you cannot even imagine a worldview which rejects the Christian God but maintains life has worth and meaning. You are literally brainwashed.

>>24633468
>I have not yet revealed my beliefs
You have in more ways than you realize. I equate humanism to nihilism because it insists upon itself that humanity is the only arbiter of fate.
>but it is telling that you cannot even imagine a worldview which rejects the Christian God but maintains life has worth and meaning.
Correction: Life does not have meaning if God does not care.
>You are literally brainwashed.
The alternative of nihilism is worse than the problem of evil.

Jews Bite foreskins off babies. If this is the peak of morality America was always fucked

>>24633478
You are brainwashed if you think a God is required for a meaningful life. Delusional even. It is not a binary choice between belief in God and Nihilism.

>>24630718
>Schopenhauer felt that if we eliminated strife, people would just fight for no reason because its "something to do"
Schopenhauer clearly didn't interact with very many human beings, then. Humans will engage in bickering and sometimes that does break out into fighting, but it takes extraordinary circumstances to make psychologically normal humans murderous - the most reliable method is to trigger self-defense instincts. Even soldiers in World War I were reluctant to shoot at each other until the top brass (i.e. the state) found sufficiently effective propaganda to trick them into thinking the enemy were subhuman and hateful. I mean if humans were truly as wanton and sinful as the cynics would have us believe, would God have even seen us as worthy of salvation?

>>24631264
Every instance of atheist or secular organizations or people doing something bad is proof of nothing, every instance of religious or theist people and organizations doing something bad is proof religion and theism leads to bad things.

This is because... Because it just is, okay?!?!

>>24630871
>i-i'm NOT gonna argue with this you! UGH, I just can't even right now!!
The christ-brained LARPers are such weak pussies. And these wimps really think they'll have the balls to start another crusade...

>>24633374
UNIRONICALLY, YES. EVERY COGNITIVE MACHINATION IS DESIGNED TO JUSTIFY FEELING.

>>24630606 (OP)
Every "THE WORLD NEEDS ISRAEL!" statement from these totally-not-bought talking heads is a thinly veiled threat. Basically, "If the state of Israel is on the brink of destruction, we will take the whole world with us in nuclear hellfire".