Thread 24634934

You think you're just clicking on some pics, getting a quick dopamine hit. But you're not, you're plugging yourself into a machine that was literally built to turn women into walking holes and punching bags. The word "pornography" itself is ancient Greek for "graphic depiction of women as whores." Think about that. You're not just watching a video, you're participating in a ritual that defines women as sexual cattle for men to own, use, and throw away. It's the blueprint for male supremacy, and it encodes every single rule of sexual abuse, violence, and exploitation. It trains you to see women as objects that want to be degraded, that secretly desire to be hit and dominated. It poisons your mind so you can't even comprehend the real terror a woman feels when she's violated. You think it's harmless, but it's a political crime against women that bleeds into every part of society, from law to culture. It’s a war on women, and every time you watch, you’re enlisting. Stop watching porn.

>>24634934 (OP)
Inb4 wtf I love porn now

>>24634934 (OP)
I'm gay. I don't care about women. I get angry at the idea that a walking hole would think I have any interest in them.

>>24634934 (OP)
What about non-BDSM porn? Like softcore stuff. Or what about femdom porn, where the woman is exalted and the man is submissive to her?

>>24634938
We know.

>>24634998
Porn is porn anon. Stop selling your soul.

>>24634998
Whether it's softcore stuff or femdom where women appear to be "in control," you're still consuming content that reduces human sexuality to a commodity and teaches you that authentic intimacy can be purchased and performed on demand. Softcore porn might feel gentler, but it's still training your brain to associate arousal with watching strangers perform for your pleasure rather than building real connection with an actual partner. It's just male dominance wrapped in prettier packaging. Even when the woman appears dominant, she's still performing a role designed to get you off, still being paid to fulfill male fantasies, and the entire interaction is still structured around your consumption and her performance. The fundamental problem is that porn teaches you that women's sexuality exists for your entertainment and that your sexual satisfaction is more important than developing the emotional intelligence and patience required for genuine human connection.

>>24634934 (OP)
>literally built to turn women into walking holes and punching bags
This woman was literally pornographied :(

>>24635012
women women women bla bla bla who gives a fuck

>>24635012
I agree. But this is 4chan, why are you making such a thread?

>>24634934 (OP)
This isn't 2014 anymore. Keep your cis-het-splaining to yourself. Women are a social construct. Any person can choose to be a man, woman or anything else if they choose to, and they have the right to do whatever they want with their body.

>>24635006
You know what let me be 100 percent honest with you: I’m not going to stop.

I don’t drink. I don’t smoke. I don’t indulge in any other vice. I will indulge in this one. I’ve never had sex or kissed or even hugged a woman (in a romantic sense, platonically ofc is a different story). I desire to do these things, badly, but due to a combination of a conservative culture where doing such things casually is verboten and my own lack of courage, am prevented from doing so.

I’ve never said or done anything disrespectful to a woman IRL. I try to be as good of a man as possible in terms of how I treat women. Hell I go out of my way to make sure my consumption of porn is as ethical as possible: I stick to erotic stories/text and drawn stuff most of the time, about fictional characters. In this way I extract pleasure that makes my life (which consists of working like a dog while watching others achieve things I once dreamed of) a little more bearable. I am hurting no one with the possible exception of myself. Perhaps it is pathetic but porn/smut and video games are unironically the main sources of release/pleasure in this life for me. So I’m not going to stop, sorry.

>>24634934 (OP)
Agreed
We need to value the good women in our lives and ignore the bad ones. Women's only power is their control over your attention, stopping porn lets you stop giving any credence to low value women who only have their bodies to sell, opening your eyes to good women. Get married and have kids, we need more readers in the world :)

>>24635012
>you're still consuming content that reduces human sexuality to a commodity
It wasn't porn that turned sexuality into a commodity. The moment a method of exchange was created, sex was the second commodity after grain

>>24635073
What are you 60? Is your life over? You better not be in your fucking twenties talking like this. Life is long, stop stroking it to cartoons and shitty erotica written by bronies. Don’t fuck up a once in a lifetime event.

This kind of feminism died when OnlyFans became a thing and women signed up in droves to make a quick buck by flaunting their bodies to simps. You can't criticize it either, it's "empowering" and shit.

>>24634934 (OP)
These days i usually just goon to pictures of fully clothed leftist women (usually friends of friends) i find on Instagram if im really that horny but generally I try to stay on no fap

>>24634934 (OP)
What do I care? She did it to herself. It's photos and short videos of her alone in her home taken by her on her mobile phone. I'm not even really participating in her economic exploitation, cause I don't ever pay. Besides, she has a nice enough home to obviously not need the income. All that's there is women publicly prostuting themselves online for no other reason than wanting to do so. And, hey, I gotta get off once in a while, too, so why shouldn't I pull it up? It's diminishing my view of women? She's being abstractly violated? That's nothing to me.

>>24634934 (OP)
>You're not just watching a video, you're participating in a ritual that defines women as sexual cattle for men to own, use, and throw away.
What Dworkin never says is that this is what women want themselves and she only managed to look past this hardcoded behavior in her gender thanks/due to crippling sexual trauma. And her words and movement became nothing more than a performative action to justify this ultimate goal in women, themselves.
I've never seen a woman happy when she's not owned, used and tossed away.

If women don't want to get turned into stuff by porn maybe they should try doing something other than being useless garrulous retards who also turn themselves into porn as their sole hobby.

Women do NOTHING. They are a vanishingly small percentage of any useful trade, any occupation that maintains or furthers society. Women expect the world to be a prefab playground for them to have "lazy girl jobs" in, just the bare minimum work so they can be lifelong children going on playdates. The one thing they do that has any distinctness is play dolly dressup, tarting themselves up 24/7 so they can pretend they're in their high school dating phase for eternity. An immortal and eternally young woman would just continue dating forever, she would never get bored of it or have any crisis of faith or anything, she would never peel herself away from hedonism and socializing and dressup games to create art or write philosophy or create something.

This is why the male gaze exists. I have very fixed and stable notions of rabbits because all rabbits do the same thing. Rabbits exist as objects for me because they are incapable of doing anything other than hopping around eating grass and fucking. In a billion or a trillion years, an immortal rabbit would just hop around, eat grass, and fuck continuously. Now imagine if men made videos and pictures of rabbits doing these things and the rabbit turned around and said "IS THAT ALL I AM TO YOU?"

>>24635207
I’m 25. I see no improvement happening in terms of my sex or romantic life. College was my last shot at the sort of relationship I wanted and I blew it. Now it’s just an endless drought.

In truth I feel a little guilty for being so unhappy about this. A lot of people have things a lot worse than me, in health/finance/familial/etc terms. But I am quite bitter over this missing part of my life.

>>24635249
This is a common experience among young men and its only over if you give up. If you work hard you could score better women in your 30s than you did in your 20s

>>24635264
That's like saying I can have an expired carton of milk if I work hard

>>24635264
I DO work hard bro, I haven’t worked less than 80 hours a week for over a year. What more can I give?

>I meant work on yourself
See above, I feel like I have no time or money for anything.

>>24634934 (OP)
Men who get raped in jail face worse physically and psychologically as a women who gets raped

>>24635249
Okay well get over the bitterness, it doesn't help you do anything.
You got another 20 years of youth if we're being generous, but by all means waste it because you *feel* bad when you could be chasing your heart.

>>24635073
I wouldn't say its pathetic but ir is a cope. 25 is still very young and you have all the time in the world to cultivate charisma and social skills etc. But the main takeaway is that you have time, you dont have to pressure yourself to get it rifht and know everything but dont say 'out of opportunities' you have more than you think. Trust me, just stop pressuring yourself so much.
t.26 year old.

>>24634934 (OP)
Sounds awesome, i shoud try to do it way more often

Dworkin is pathologically one sided in the evil of humankind. Women are just as responsible for the exploitation and objectification of themselves. Porn and sex also function as a spiritually crippling exploitation of men. It's sexist actually to constantly reduce women to a helpless passive object that can only suffer and cannot inflict suffering.

>>24634934 (OP)
Fun fact: Andrea Dworkin was accidentally responsible for "sex-positive feminism" (Streisand effect) because almost everyone who read her was disgusted by what they read and feared that people would think feminism meant being a prude.

>a whore decides she Must do porn
>gets sodomized and degraded
>gets paid
>her wish is fulfilled
>regrets start seeping in
>men are to blame

>porn reduces women to mere commodities
>penetrative sex is literally rape
Okie dokie Dvorak

>>24635249
>College was my last shot
I wanted to blow my brains out last month, sometimes multiple times per day. Now a girl keeps texting me how much she needs me just after 1 day we have spent together last week. All because I asked her out, despite feeling exactly the same hopelessness.
Keep an eye out for opportunities, the next day won't always be like the previous one.

>>24635073
The greatest joy is growing closer to God though, and porn is a vice that blocks the ascent of virtue.

>>24634936
wtf I love porn now

>>24634934 (OP)
people who rail against porn have absolutely ZERO business acumen.
they love stories and fariy tales.
and would rather paint the preachers fence and suck his dick.

i have never "objectified" or thrown away a woman.
the people that do that do not need porn.
if you care that much about porn maybe you should start unionizing the porn stars.
if you wanted to turn everyfucking thing into a sunaday mass then get thee to a fucking nunnery.

>>24634934 (OP)
I don't care about women, they're clueless. I should only care about his wife and I don't have one. Not like I had any decision over coming into being during this particular, contingent period of history wherein women and men are on their own. In better times, I would have been sent off into marriage with a girl my age, and she would become the object of my love and desire.
I'm happy jerking off, have you got a problem?

I meant my wife but whatever.

>>24634934 (OP)
>a machine that was literally built to turn women into walking holes and punching bags
Just like my Japanese doujinshi...

This, as usual, removes female agency.

>>24634934 (OP)
>to see women as objects that want to be degraded, that secretly desire to be hit and dominated.
but that's accurate. they do want that, and it's barely even a "secret." a random female-written romance novel is far, far more likely to explicitly contain fetishized concepts of domination and lack of consent than a random male-directed porn video off of pornhub. furthermore women objectify themselves before anybody else even gets a chance: they eroticize themselves as objects of desire. men wonder why women take so long to get ready before a date etc and it's because watching themselves all dolled up in the mirror is a quasi-masturbatory act. they're getting themselves horny thinking about how horny they will make a man. but it's more than arousal, it's how they acquire identity. "what am i? i am the one he likes." it must be a relief compared to the burden of being human.

>>24634934 (OP)
>You think you're just clicking on some pi-ACK!?

>>24634934 (OP)
>But you're not, you're plugging yourself into a machine that was literally built to turn women into walking holes and punching bags.
Oh, cool! I didn't realize that by jacking it I was automatically achieving my ideological aims as well. In fact, I was worried that those manosphere kniggas with the taoist semen retention ideology might have a point! Fantastic, great news!

>>24635090
>sex was the second commodity after grain
Sex was a commodity long before we started growing food.

Civilization is fucked up too as well just as. Think of that grain or the hierarchy or division of labor that allowed the grain to be grown.

>>24635012
I will literally never be intimate with a real human woman and you want to take away my right to view porn?

>>24635012
When you give bonobos grapes (their favorite food) the male bonobos immediately use them to buy sexual favors from the female bonobos.

This shit about emotional intelligence and human connection is a repressed woman's cope.

>>24635244
Incisive. Good post.

>>24635249
I'm 34 and I'm going to tell you something that's absolutely true: at least up to age 30, the number of 18-22-year-old girls who wanted to hop on my dick increased for every year, and I suspect it would still be at the age 30 peak level now if I were trying instead of having locked one down. It's just how it works, men like youth and women are either indifferent or put off by it, so you're just in the Fucked Zone as a young man. The tables gradually turn though so hang in there. One thing though, if you end up making a lot of money, for the love of God don't let the hoes find out about it. Gold diggers are way too good at faking love to get their hands on six figures, you might think you can see through them but you absolutely can't. Those are just the inept ones.

For real though, age gap seethe is invented by walled women who are mad that men their age have 1000x better options than a slab of bitter roast beef.

If you think porn is bad wait until you hear about heterosexual sex

>>24636317
You joke but Dworkin 100% believed that unironically, she's the "all sex is rape" bitch.

>>24636320
Yes I joke and that is the joke I made

>>24636322
:V

>>24635774
based gooner

Lost my virginity to my gf, but couldnt stay hard during sex and im pretty certain excessive porn viewing had a big impact on my libido and im praying it isnt permanent. It was a literal addiction to me, and i hope i can steer clear from it forever. If you can consume porn without getting addicted then maybe its not as bad, but for me it certainly has been toxic. Also do i get to keep my wizards powers or was it all for nothing?

>>24635774
>rage against the modern courting scene
based.

>>24634934 (OP)
SO TRUE!!! glory to the radfem cause o7

>>24636409
It's like if your alignment changes as a paladin, you get to keep all your hit dice and THAC0 from your wizard levels, but you lose access to your spells and class abilities.

>>24635073
>erotic stories/text and drawn stuff most of the time, about fictional characters
absolutely not an issue then

>>24634934 (OP)
I can clearly see the anon who wrote this sniggering uncontrollably to himself in his room as he typed it out, knowing how upset it was going to make quite a few folks here on the board.

Was he on to something?

>>24636575
Dunno. I don't think the porn user's progressive degeneration is a thing at all. I've spent a lot of time with porn and I'm still whacking it to the same things I did ten years ago when I first started looking around. Literally the same media in some cases. I'd disregard the points about energy, spiritual power and tantric sex as meaningless. I see similar sentiment fairly often though, and I wonder where it comes from. I don't think they've sat down and talked with their friends about the ways their masturbation habits and preferences in porn have changed over time, so it's probably either projection or describing some stereotype they saw online, neither of which is really very useful to talking about what porn does to us.

>>24636609
You might not be autistic enough for it to work on you.
5th paragraph:
>But porn is an autism hobby with an infinite fuel source

>>24634938
>I'm gay and I don't care about women
well no shit faggot

"the blueprint for male supremacy" is the human genome

>>24636575
I sorta get what this guy is saying but I’m not clued in enough on metaphysics and occultism to really parse the meaning. I think his analysis of degradation is absolutely spot on and is probably the most effective argument against porn out there.
What I don’t understand is this

>You are basically sitting there with your undifferentiated lust behind you, your confused assemblage of instinctive symbols "in your eyes," and your lust is pushing you forward into where the symbols "take" you, fractalizing them into new pattems in a kind of ouija board self-generating fashion with no intent behind it. Instead of being "in front" of the symbols and beyond them like a metaphysical phenomenon, thus "pulling" on the symbols to become adequate to itself, lust is "behind" and merely pushing, causing mindless and effectively random symbolic differentiation.

Was this the link to the point later about transgenderism? They’ve been pushed along by lust into this, become manifestations of what, porn? They’ve submitted to the symbols that have drawn them to chase the dragon and reached this endpoint, “instead of experiment consciously with different fantasies and symbolic cathexes, which he would then only willingly and consciously take up.”?

I would probably understand what he’s saying if I knew what he meant about how it could be done right. Like I get the absorbing new ideas, or catexes as he says, but why? I went back to the original thread to see if anyone had thoughts on it but it was mostly people just congratulating a genuine effortpost in this day and age.
Thank you for capping and posting.

>>24636575
I really like this.

I despise the typical 'anti-porn/anti-maturbation' faggotry, because they are never honest with themselves and have incredibly weak introspective abilities, and project poorly thought out personal hangups about sex onto other people which they defend with unjustified rage against even healthy expressions of desire. There is no reason to listen to advice from these people.

This poster OTH is really onto something and clearly has thought about and understands processes of sexual desire honestly and has actual good reasoning and advice on how and why you might want to look into and control your sexual impulses to avoid negative consequences of them not aligning in a way that ultimately benefits you.

>>24634938
least misogynist bottom

>>24635880
This.
Many women will be nothing more than walking holes. Not my problem. Not my choice. It's theirs.

Men get fucked for money in non sexual ways every day.

>>24635244
I got nothing to add. I am screecapping your post. Bravo anon. And thanks for teaching me a new word: "garrulous".

>>24635244
Men would be happier if they immersed themselves in this kind of hedonism. But some prefer to be the lone wolf monk and then say on their deathbed that they were miserable all their lives and didn't know how to have fun

>>24634934 (OP)
This book is just as bad and retarded as the "all men are pedophiles" books and its sad that /lit/ is falling for this bait.

>>24635073
>I don’t drink. I don’t smoke. I don’t indulge in any other vice. I will indulge in this one.
faggot thinks it's an accomplishment to not consume toxic substances. Lay the porn off nigger.

>>24634934 (OP)
left to their own devices women choose to be whores.

>>24635016
sage

>>24637086
> Men would be happier if they immersed themselves in this kind of hedonism.
No we wouldnt. Thats for you.

>>24634934 (OP)
Sounds kinda based tbqh

>>24635012
Womens sexuality literally exists for my entertainment
Womens sexuality literally exists to sexually excite males to have sex with them

>>24635012
I sometimes fap to sounding videos, are women not in the ultimate form of dominance in those?

>>24637468
How so? She's elaborately mastering a skill (safely jamming things in your penis) that doesn't provide her any pleasure whatsoever. 95% of femdom is like this, it's all "dominate me mommy (by dressing up in an uncomfortable $2000 jumpsuit and meticulously dropping hot oil on my balls for 3 hours while I passively enjoy)." Go draw her a bath and do her laundry you asshole. Why is she eating YOUR ass? How is that humiliating for you? Eat HER ass.

What even is pornography though?

>>24637480
Because it's a matter of control, while you're right it doesn't provide her any physical pleasure it can provide plenty of psychological pleasure. She's in control and has turned the position, the penis which is usually used to penetrate is now the one being penetrated
>Why is she eating YOUR ass? How is that humiliating for you? Eat HER ass.
You're absolutely right in that regard

>>24635269
not really if you're decent or good looking much younger women are attracted to you when you're in your thirties speaking from experience. i found it surprising and it's not something i would've thought would happen when i was younger but it's real

What about if all I whack off to is 2D porn though.

>>24634934 (OP)
>you're plugging yourself into a machine that was literally built to turn women into walking holes and punching bags.
You mean reality?

>>24635012
I'm a male and I like having my fantasies fulfilled. To suggest that this is bad is misandry. You just hate men.

When you go to the theater, do you think the fact that the actor were paid to be in a movie means they exist to pleasure you? Or were they hired to do a job which involves some level of artistic expression?

In short, if you see a woman in a porno, and you go "this means all women are porn stars", that just means you're retarded.

>>24634998
Porn is porn unless you’re a woman in which you are sainted and can enjoy whatever child raping dogfucker fantasy is popular on AO3 because all women are wonderful.

>>24634934 (OP)
>feminist psyop
Kys. I jerk off to solo masturbation videos of women , or lesbians. Btw you don’t get a “dopamine hit” by quieting the sexual urge, although I prefer channeling the dopamine hit I get from the sexual urge into creative endeavors, such as writing and drawing.

>>24635244
You touch on a point that should be driven home. OP frames this as men objectifying women via porn, but women invariably objectify men as producers of stuff. They live in cities almost 100% built by men. They use technology almost 100% developed by men. They use utilities maintained almost 100% by men. Yet they never think to appreciate all the hard working men that keep their lives going, they just expect it as the default state and never even think about it. They dehumanize men at every turn, consider their mating preference, it is one of the most well supported statistical trends that women will only marry men who are at the same or higher level of wealth and education. They view a partner as a meal ticket, as a source of material goods, not as a person.

Porn tends to be a private indulgence by men, women's objectification of men permeates their entire lives and every action they take towards men.

>>24635774
>I should only care about his wife

>>24634936
>>24635750
I noticed about 15-20 years ago this strange incongruity between the actual evils of pornography and the tired arguments I was hearing from talking heads in the media, namely that pornography "objectified women" and "promoted violence", etc. It was only much later that I realized all these talking points were coming from deeply biased and ideologically driven people, and that they didn't care at all about the real hams of pornography. They were simply feminists and hated porn because it laid bare the reality of sexual dominance and submission among humans.

>>24634934 (OP)
>It trains you to see women as objects that want to be degraded, that secretly desire to be hit and dominated
Real women do that just fine by being themselves, pornography doesn't tell me anything I don't already know

>>24634934 (OP)
Fixed.
>You think you're just clicking on some pics, getting a quick dopamine hit. But you're not, you're plugging yourself into a machine that was literally built to turn you into a walking hole and a punching bag. The word "pornography" itself is ancient Greek for "graphic depiction of women as whores." Think about that. You're not just watching a video, you're participating in a ritual that defines you as sexual cattle for others to own, use, and throw away. It's the blueprint for Jewish supremacy, and it encodes every single rule of sexual abuse, violence, and exploitation. It trains you to see yourself as an object that wants to be degraded, that secretly desire to be hit and dominated. It poisons your mind so you can't even comprehend the real loneliness you feel after you fap. You think it's harmless, but it's a political crime against men that bleeds into every part of society, from law to culture. It’s a war on yourself, and every time you watch, you’re enlisting. Stop watching porn.

>>24637833
On the plus side, when's the last time you heard someone who wasn't bait like OP defend that perspective on porn? The ubiquity of Instagram, Tiktok and Onlyfans has completely killed that strain of feminism, it's too obvious now that practically every girl who has the looks for it is keen to do porn instead of work if she can't get one of the more desirable movie thot or influencer jobs (and thus, by extension, the girls who don't have the looks would also be keen to do it but can't). Objectification is dead as a sociological analysis.

>>24634934 (OP)
dworkin? more like dork

>>24635737
I keep seeing this book. Is it good? >>24635006 I am this anon

>>24636541
Why are you handling me so roughly?

>>24638149
I disagree. That feminist attitude has entirely pervaded the mindset of modern men and women alike.
The reason feminists no longer criticize porn like they used to is because they have realized that their status in modern society is now elevated by porn, specifically the new strain of porn, i.e. cyber-prostitution on OF and caming websites.
Traditional pornography, of which there is a plethora, remains problematic for them because it reveals the reality of sexual dynamics. But women find it easy enough to disregard this contradiction, because they now reap such tremendous benefits by their elevated status.

The key subtlety is that the modern woman objectifies herself rather than "being objectified" as she complained about in the past.

>>24635073
You remind me of the underground man. Leave before you pass the point of no return.

Ive sold solo porn to women.

The porn problem goes away after women swallow their pride and start getting men into it instead.

My openness isn't too uncommon and there exists a lot of creeps, reputation is king and really exhausting. But if you're ok with openness without to much judgement it's a good way to keep tabs on, well, "creeps". Without having to commit.
Women are horrible about reputation assassination though. Really bad. I don't recommend f4m stuff to anyone emotionally unstable.

>>24634934 (OP)
I just draw two circles on a piece of paper if I want to jerk off.

>>24640131
*M4f I mean

>>24640131
>Women are horrible about reputation assassination though. Really bad. I don't recommend f4m stuff to anyone emotionally unstable.
?

>>24637699
>porn good because my AGP fetish

>>24637509
Someone answer this.

Women think the same way about you. I’m not saying this to get back at you, just whatever thoughts you have, women often share similar ideas, but female brain. Go lurk at lolcow farm, crystal cafe or wherever anonymous place women hang around, most of sperging they doing there is basically fem version of what you guys said anyway

>>24640415
You sign up for a job and watch as almost every male coworker you see walk by is strung up, pictures taken, hung up on the wall, and banished before you're even hired.
Not ALL men but it helps a bit if you're popular.
(You) aren't very popular so you're "allowed" to do things.

I get it, but i have to self censor my brains out.
There's no enjoyment out of the whole process if you have to self censor so much that you're just a different person.

>>24637509
That would be ART not PORN.

just letting you know I'm about to jerk off
hope you enjoy your anger while im cumming all over myself

>>24634934 (OP)
Feminism being against porn is a psyop to act as a sort of inverse confirmation bias and keep men gooning, wretched creatures, numbing their souls to truth by drowning them in pleasure.
Men who might otherwise encounter genuine, rational criticism of porn that discusses its neurological implications and the harm it does to them, will instead find books about how it's a mechanism for men to "control" women. Their addled minds are all too willing to dismiss all this as nonsense and by association any other criticism, and, if (((they))) are lucky he might even encounter some unsourced argument about regular masturbation being a biological need, or at the very least that it's completely normal and has no downsides whatsoever. Never mind the absurdity of the claim (it's well documented that masturbation has been stigmatized in various periods of history and even considered a grave sin by religions that have been, at times, ubiquitous with civilization in certain parts of the world), humans are the kind of creatures that will believe anything so long as believing so lets them continue in their self destructive course; our friends the fedora tippers, faithful gooners themselves, are all too ready to tell you about it, though they hilariously lack the self awareness to see the irony).

>>24634934 (OP)
But, I exclusively watch gay furry porn and have no interest in women whatsoever.

>>24641731
>gooning is bad because a book written 2000 years ago by desert jews said so
>also all the contrary evidence is baseless because... BECAUSE IT JUST IS OK?

>>24634934 (OP)
>It trains you to see women as objects that want to be degraded, that secretly desire to be hit and dominated
As much as I think porn should be banned as the scourge of society that it is, this is still true regardless of porn. Women do want to be degraded, even if it's just in the context of a loving man doing it.

>>24637833
Also this. Again, porn is societal poison, especially for men. But women don't give a shit about anything but their own reputation. They're assmad because it shows women in their true, sexual light (for the most part) and it also takes away the leverage they have over men with sex. If a wife/girlfriend gets stingy with sex or their man gets bored of them, they can just tune into some hot 20 year old getting pumped and dumped without any barrier to entry.

>>24634934 (OP)
>you're plugging yourself into a machine that was literally built to turn women into walking holes and punching bags
I know.
That's what makes it good.

>>24634934 (OP)
>It trains you to see women as objects that want to be degraded
If you ever had a girlfriend, you would know this is true and that's what women get off to.
Male feminists like you are basically incels who somehow don't blame women for their misfortune, but rather they blame other men.

>>24635012
You don't realize how many women schlick to porn, do you?

>>24635012
This. Unless it's solo porn with a woman playing with herself, any form of porn is a cucking ritual.

You can cope all you want but (You) are a cuck >>24637686

>>24634934 (OP)
As a man why should I give a shit if woman are negatively effected.
Woman never cared when I was hurt by their bullshit.
Sucks to suck I guess

>>24635012
>rather than building real connection with an actual partner
fair point
>teaches you that women's sexuality exists for your entertainment and that your sexual satisfaction is more important
that's the whole fucking point, all this whining about muh dominance is genuine beta orbiting twitch moderator mindset

>>24634934 (OP)
Even if that’s true why should I care?

>>24635073
>>24635249
Ironically why fathers having their sons lose their virginity as ritual into adulthood was a cornerstone of civilization.
There's a reason why they forbid it now while pretending like its the most essential part of your life

>>24641699
based

>>24642338
Pretty sure porn has led to massive boost in std spread and girls getting herpes face from facials. Watching a dude jizz on a gurls face has to be equally bad for men and women.

>>24634934 (OP)
But women do enjoy that degragation, self proclaimed nonetheless.

>>24634934 (OP)
She was based for this. Guys are spilling seed/life energy to pixels while chicks are labeling themselves with whore before they even have their first kid for $200 a month. ggs. RIP to all my niggas.

>>24641731
Bro's argument is like "nakedness has been a taboo in cultures and religions around the world, SO NEVER GET NAKED, EVEN IF ALONE!"

Also, religion is the refuge of sexual hysterics who are always a little too involved with the sexual habits of their neighbors. Just because you're repressed into oblivion to the point where you can't even touch your own body without shame doesn't mean the rest of us live our lives that way. I bet you don't even wash your butt properly because you fear it's a little too close to sin to touch back there.

>>24635012
WORD

>>24635033
Take your med schizo. Men and women are identified by their sex chromosomes hence their gentalis unless the case of intersex, period.

>>24642027
you can never be taken seriously as a person if you defend ripping your dick around to 20 tabs of porn for an hour by deferring to EPIC CONTRARY EVIDENCE!! seriously do you people hear yourselves

>>24642971
follow your thought all the way: "no one should have a say in how anyone else has sex, or who they have sex with". what outcomes does that lead to? seriously, without any prohibitions through social consensus, where do you think that goes? what is "a little too involved"? what's just the perfect amount of involved to you? if someone fucked your mom in all the degrading ways that they wanted to - but it was completely consensual - would you not bat an eye? for all the longing, disappointment, confusion, and senselessness in hookups, do you find an INCREASE in each person's dignity? is feeling sexual euphoria (against all taboos and norms) being unrepressed to you?

>>24643033
You allude to "the perfect amount of involved", I wonder if this is an admission that there can be both an excess and a deficiency. In the USA, there are many states which formally ban all forms of oral sex under "sodomy" laws. This means a group of people with religious motivations can use the power of the law to stop my wife from giving me a blowjob. I would consider THAT to be more than a little too involved in the sexual lives of other people.

>>24634934 (OP)
what about women who like porn?>>24643033
>if someone fucked your mom in all the degrading ways that they wanted to - but it was completely consensual - would you not bat an eye
frankly what my mom does in bed is not something I want or need to know, and if I find out about it something has gone horribly wrong

>>24643033
all you need to see are the gooner threads on blue boards and the gooner speak to see that they are irredeemably retarded. their entire lifestyle is about jacking off to pixels.

>>24643253
Junior?!

>>24643033
I usually watch only 1 at a time, but yes there is literally no known harm with fapping for a hour at max nor it will melt your soul or something. And you can't even make a counter-argument other than snarkily implying I'm a le ebin plebbitor xd like a faggot

>>24634934 (OP)
I watch gay porn.

>>24634934 (OP)
>machine that was literally built to turn women into walking holes and punching bags
> turn women into walking holes and punching bags
>walking holes and punching bags
she a hole so it's forgivable that she doesn't understand they already are walking holes and punching bags.

Pretty interesting, I never really considered the etymology, not to say that I am antigreek, but surely many, many people are not considering greek culture or acting in a progreek way

How do you reconcile prefixing with adjectives like amateur?

>>24635012
I need to be purchased legally as a slave in Morocco by this femanon like I need air to breathe. There will be no forcing her to perform. I have no preferences other than hers. I will walk into the sea and die if she tells me to. It will be written in my Moroccan slave contract that if she thinks I am requesting let alone demanding anything remotely constituting a performance, she can shoot me in the head with a bazooka.

>>24643273
my "counter argument" is that reducing ethics to what has been scientifically verified as "harmless" perverts ethics. you turn science into a technology of virtue, totally undermining the whole point of ethics as frameworks to FIRST delineate morally right behavior which THEN determine right action within scientific practice.
if what is virtuous or ethical is subservient to some scientifically verifiable concept of "harmlessness", you grossly flatten our idea of goodness into any action at all that is not physically self-destructive (so your wife cheating on you all day is considered good so long as the guys are all tested). you also rely on the scientific establishment (a political institution itself with actors that are themselves ideologically motivated) to never, ever, ever change their minds on what is biologically harmful to ourselves (lol). you ignore the fact that scientific researchers and institutional heads you've given authority to have their own private interests which are career-driven, which culturally shift as time moves forward, which suddenly turn given the right historical factors. your idea's retarded not because it's plebbit but because it's sloppy and it implicitly justifies molesting someone without the cognitive capacity to know you're doing so since it's scientifically "harmless" to the both of you. yes i understand you're not arguing for that, yes i know you just want to goon all day, but i'm saying your idea's retarded because that's where your idea goes if you think about it for more than two seconds

>>24644459
But that's what you want, that still gets you off

Misogyny is just really hot.

>>24646260
Can you explain why?

>>24635073
>I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't indulge in any other vice. I will indulge in this one.
What's the difference in being killed by one man, than being killed by ten men? You're dead either way, so if you want to claim the moral pedestal of being a virtuous man occasionally indulging in a vice, you're just as bad as the strung out junkie fiending over his next fix. Don't care what moral system you've got, but claiming that you don't do some other vices to justify having a vice doesn't hold up the house.

>>24635073
Dude, I implore you as an anon that cares: try and leave porn behind. I've been porn free for more than 120 days and it's hard to explain how much that frees up your free will. I do not miss it at all. Sure, every now and then out of habit some old porn sexual fantasies pop up but I truly believe that fades with time. I see a random girl and I get the urge to just talk to them and get horny just by a girl smiling at me. And using sexual transmutation to increase your productivity is also a big help. Do it for yourself, anon. I'd literally almost rather you drink than porn, that's how bad that shit is.

>>24643169
yeah, here i can quit seething and admit to not having read any philosophy of law which is likely a glaring blind spot. like you, i'd protest against anything like shariah law in the west, but i'm still not quite sure where the justifiable division between mere morally objectionable behavior and prosecutorial behavior sits. we can say that sodomy laws are a vestige of colonial puritanism, yet their justifications have often appealed to nature and biblical precepts in the same exact ways that bestiality laws have. why then do we still see state interference in human-animal relations as legitimate, while interference in human-human relations isn't so (aside from the obvious rape, pedophilia, etc.)? i truthfully don't see the two as one in the same, but i just use it to point out that what we consider justified authority within law seems to me totally mystified and incoherent and i'm guessing it's a part of the reason why lawyers have commanded such prestige in the last few centuries

>>24646279
Because it's transgressive

They watch pornography because they could never satisfy a real woman. There's a lot of scum out there they don't even try.

>>24634934 (OP)
I’m not saying ugly people shouldn’t talk about sexuality and sexual subjects, but you shouldn’t take their viewpoint as a be all end all.

>>24637487
I know it when I see it (not allowed here)

>>24634934 (OP)
Don't care, didn't ask, fuck off.

at what point do we just admit that the reason women think all men watch violent, degrading BDSM porn that treats women like objects, is because they themselves watch that kind of porn?

>>24647286
nah they watch daughter swaps. animated zoo stuff. girls peeing on each other. nursing handjobs. muscle mommy’s with the weird huge clits. and massage stuff. or cnc. or bisexual threesomes. or the ones of the girls being taken to the back of the store for shoplifting.

>>24647143
Sex is about pleasing oneself. Pleasing the other falls into the "sports" territory or the ego.
Pornography doesn't hurt anybody. Drugs, wars, domestic violence and alcohol does.

>>24634934 (OP)
The entire premise of this thread falls apart when you realize approximately 76% of women 18-30 watch porn and tend to like rougher stuff. So they make it, profit off of it, and even consume it in great quantities, yet men are somehow at fault?

>>24647328
you want to be particularly careful of the alleged objectivity and relevance of statistics, especially when they run against common experience

>>24647341
Yes, hence "approximately". There are studies where it's higher and studies where it's lower. The consensus? Young women watch porn at numbers not much lower than young men and the gap is narrowing. Picrelated is their actual search history on pornhub, so it doesn't get much more objective than that. And if your common experience is that women don't like porn/more hardcore stuff and you're on /lit/ of all places, I have no idea what to tell you.

>>24647365
right yeah /lit/ is the best place to learn about women.
& i wouldn’t lean too hard on pornhub analytics. i don’t think site traffic is quite enough to make a claim about human nature.

>>24647378
>right yeah /lit/ is the best place to learn about women.
Anon...I was obviously referring to their reading habits and the obsession with erotica/taboo subjects/domineering men any regular here is well aware of. That you didn't even pick up on that and are now trying to dismiss the evidence of female porn viewership in a thread ABOUT porn makes it clear you're not here to engage in good faith. Good night.

>>24647400
obviously(!) but i didn’t dismiss anything, just pointing out that pornhub traffic and 4chan threads don’t equal universal behaviour. if that’s enough to make you pack it in with a ‘good night,’ … now i don’t know what to tell you.

>>24647400
obviously(!) but i didn’t dismiss anything, just pointing out that pornhub traffic and 4chan threads don’t equal universal behaviour. if questioning your evidence is enough to make you pack it in with a ‘good night,’ … now i don’t know what to tell you.

>>24647328
All the women in this are trannies. What woman would not just use Pornhub, let alone in 2024, but sign up for an account and list their gender? Only people doing that shit are gooners and trannies are a subtype of gooner. Note how highly ranked tranny ("transgender") is.

>>24647307
>Pornography doesn't hurt anybody
Even if that was true — which it isn't, human trafficking just one of many things that can be listed here — you're harming your mind, body and soul.

>>24648137
>—

>>24648144
I love em dashes and I fuck bitches, nigga hop off dick

>>24634934 (OP)
>plugging yourself into a machine that was literally built to turn women into walking holes and punching bags
I'm already plugged into nature big dog. Women as holes has been their default and near only state throughout history and for good reason, things suck now largely because said holes have a massive say in things

>>24646230
>Touching your penis is like literally same as cucking your partner

>t. least retarded christ nigger

>>24647820
>He thinks you need to have an account for websites to obtain all your personal information

Nothing forces women to become pornstars. They do it by choice. Women also choose to fuck dogs. Stop trying to defend the actions of women, they are entirely nonsensical.

>>24648797
>Touching your penis is like literally same as cucking your partner
NTA, but how is not?

>>24649049 FML. How is it not*

>>24634934 (OP)
Her thesis is funny given that what actually happened is it made men coomers who either stopped interacting with women at all or became huge simps who thought giving women massive favors is how to get affection,

>>24634934 (OP)
>The word "pornography" itself is ancient Greek for "graphic depiction of women as whores
It's not. Pornoi just refers to the price and social status of the whore, not the gender. It's also a modern formation, designed to convey the meaning it was cheapening people to the point of being non persons. Pornoi is the lowest form of prostitute, and all male whores were de facto pornoi, while all female whores were not.

It's over for young men. Gooning will end civilization, i'm not even joking. No philosophy has ever considered the true implications of mass gooning.
Despite all, I still don't care about the reputation of wahmen like faggot OP does kek fuck them

>>24649424
>No philosophy has ever considered the true implications of mass gooning.
Tell me you've never read Pepys without telling me

Its not that deep lil pup

>>24649502
Pepys was a diarist and not a philosopher.

>>24647328
Straight women hate men so much they jerk off to lesbian porn or solo women lmao. We are literally just wallets and emotional tampons to them.

Here's my new thesis on male question:

1: Females raising male kids have been a disaster for males.
2: Females have different goals than men.
3: Males should be raised by males only, no involvement of women.
4: Institution of family, monogamy and marriage should be thrown in the trash can.
5: State should raise the kids.
6: Family unit hurts males the most and it is beneficial to foids the most.
7: Men should only stick to polyamory.
8: Males and females should be separated, the less contact they have with each other, the better.

>>24649766
Straight women watch gay porn, but it's not lesbians

>>24649807
Source of that information?

>>24649775
You went full Soviet Union there. Never go full Soviet Union. By the 1930s even the Soviets realized this.

>>24649868
Where was separation of male and female gender in USSR? Males kids were raised by males only?

These are just female scare tactics.

>>24649890
When Kollontai was women's kommissar she wanted to throw the institutions of family, monogamy, and marriage in the trash can and have the State raise the kids. Sure, she believed the family unit was primarily detrimental to women, but that's a case of the mirror image: the opposite which is the same thing.

>>24649913
>3: Males should be raised by males only, no involvement of women.
>8: Males should hang out with males only, the less contact they have with females the better.
These points are also essential to my thesis. USSR was a gyno state which believed in the union of male and female. I have no such illusions.

>>24649937
Doesn't matter, 4/5 is full Soviet. Never go full Soviet.

>>24649945
5 is Plato.

>>24649958
The Socratic Union would also be a shit state.

It's as if we are hardwired with a primordial hatred against all things pure, innocent, beautiful, and are determined to betray them and exploit them as violently as possible. It's because we're living in the age of irony where sincerity has vanished. People don't take things at face value but always assume some insidious and malicious intent behind things while only preserve a pure image of themselves.

I would like to go back to a stage where I was scared to even look at the front screen of a porn website, where I immediately, consciously knew and felt that whatever was shown there is just 'wrong' and I would click it away not daring to take a closer peak. That's the form of being naive I would deem as holiness these days. Not in the sense that oh it's bad because succubi are objectified, not in the sense that porn is bad for your health or your brain, or any other secondary argument, but simply as common sense knowledge that whatever is illustrated in porn is bad as it's not natural. But this kind of naiviety is impossible to even think of these days, what has been unleashed can't be undone. I myself can't go back to it, it's been over 18 years.

>>24634934 (OP)
>>24637688

Was scrolling through Reddit and came across this post about Dark Romance literature and apparently fans of Dark Romance, books which are "spicy" books of smut erotica, acted out of line at a fan convention. They sexually assaulted some guy and a bunch of people were performing sex acts out in public. Didn't know some Literature nerds are capable of this stuff.

A couple years ago when monkeypox was being spread throughout the various LGBT pride parades because gay men would rather have sex out in public instead of listening to the science and stay away from public gatherings where monkeypox can spread easily, they chose to have sex. I was on /pol/ and webms were being uploaded about what goes on at LGBT Pride Parades where they have public orgies like they were ancient pagans having public orgies. I was with /pol/ in saying that all the participants in the homosexual pride parade should be burned alive or genocided.

Don't know if I can say the same thing about the female readers of "spicy" smut and Dark Romance literature. They should at least cancel their Dark Romance fan conventions. Maybe attend a proper book club where such behavior discouraged.

Feminists are the enemies of art, free speech, beauty, and mankind. Feminists will not rest until we all live in an Ikea world, our mouths glued shut with cunny juice under virtue of "not hurting peoples fee fees," entertained by diabetic lardballs who are "beautiful at every size," and the outside world is a covid lockdown, 15 minute concentration camp where drones divebomb people for microagressive cat calling and age gaps between girls who are 19 and boys who are 22-- but only if they're white.

Dworkin is an insane cunt who believed consential sex does not exist, and all sex was rape.

>>24636575
I agree with him. When I jerk off to porn it's almost like what I'm watching isn't there, ultimately it's the symbol of the women's degradation behind it that gets you off. Plato's allegory of the gooncave

>>24650423

Plenty of women are into the arts and crafts. Back in college, in one of the art classes I took, I was the only male student there not counting the professor, everyone else was female. After that, I did the stupid thing and switched to Literature as my main major.

>>24650774
>moths do not possess the secret of fire
>bullshit, just put a candle outdoors and plenty of moths flock to it

>>24649049
>>24649053
I guess you can argue the act of watching porn during a relationship might be a form of cheating if it's pushes you away from your SO. Otherwise saying getting horny and fapping to relieve yourself or even doing it while being single is literally unethical at the same level is stupid

>>24650805
NAYRT and the other guy seems like a retard, but this argument doesn't seem to make sense to me. It implies that the act of watching your SO get fucked by another man brings you closer to her, it's also not cucking. (Which was the word used, not cheating.)

>>24650825
> It implies that the act of watching your SO get fucked by another man brings you closer to her, it's also not cucking
Wdym? Are you saying is that how actual cucks feel irl?

>>24650423
There’s an ‘all-or-nothing’ error at work there.

oй иди нaхyй

Why so many Dworkin threads lately?

>>24650833
Sorry bro, I dropped the word "if" like a retard.

>It implies that IF the act of watching your SO get fucked by another man brings you closer to her, it's also not cucking.

>>24646279
I don't fully know, it just hits me directly like a drug. Something like romance on the other hand never feels as effortless.

>>24650423
Feminists are the most Nietzschean group alive today. They constantly spur women to be active, heroic, and self-empowering.

Anti-feminists are a bunch of slave morality losers who constantly elevate their own concerns to some universal morality which feminists rightfully torch and laugh at.

I've seen countless anti-feminist videos, posts, and articles, and it's always a deceitful man lying through his faggot teeth:
>feminism is actually super bad for society guys, it's a problem
Translation: Feminism is bad for YOU because it weakens YOU.
Why be a lying rat? Just be honest.
>feminists are actually really unhappy - independence has made women sadder
Translation: You want women to accept a gilded cage which you never would because you want to control them.
>feminism is meant to be about equality! why aren't feminists challenging female dominance?
Translation: You will only accept feminism if it conforms to your definition and benefits YOU.
Of course you won't start your own movement and be productive, which is the essence of a Nietzschean, will you? No, you will try and coopt and subvert with your inferior morality.

You're naturally stronger and more dominant and yet, here you are, practically BEGGING feminists to return your power to you, instead of taking it yourself.
How does it feel to be such a pathetic cuck?
You're practically on your knees, face pressed up against Dworkin's fat, revolting, hairy Jewish cunt, asking her to return your balls to you and to let you feel like a man again.
Some obese kikess has castrated you and you can't do anything but nuzzle her engorged clit.

I'm glad feminists have seen you losers for what you are and offer you nothing but resentment.

terrible thread
sage

>>24650969
>feminists are actually really unhappy - independence has made women sadder. Translation: You want women to accept a gilded cage which you never would because you want to control them.

If it's all just cope on the men's part then why the fuck all you roasties are still screeching about patriarchy,misogny and all that jazz? You have all the legal rights you can ask for at this point but you still can't stop seething about men which shows you guys also don't know what you really want.
>Inb4 abortion got outlawed in Burgerland
It didn't. Jump on your car and drive the next state near you that has legal abortion but you are probably a troon yourself and YWNBAW

>>24651058
>If it's all just cope on the men's part then why the fuck all you roasties are still screeching about patriarchy,misogny and all that jazz?
This. If feminists really were Nietzscheans they wouldn't occupy 98% of their waking time with whining or screaming. They would spend it on a mountain talking to an eagle, or something.

Anons getting so into nofap that they reach for Dworkin is very funny to me

>>24651058
>still screeching about patriarchy,misogny and all that jazz?
To a heroic person, the existence of an enemy to overcome spurs them to action. In continually doing battle with society, feminism itself becomes an engine for self-empowerment and the production of new ideas. Anti-feminism is the total antithesis of this, not enabling heroism but instead trying to sap its vital energy so that an effete and lazy male gender can continue to enjoy power without earning it. There is nothing in anti-feminism that is remotely clever or novel or worthwhile.

Also I'm obviously a man. I'm literally instructing you and other men to seize power directly and to stop with these limp attempts at debating feminism into submission. Look at the person I'm responding to. Just a bunch of nonsense whining about how feminism offends their universal morals. It's literally peak slave morality. If it were a male led movement dominating women into quietude, he would not bitch the way he did, thus he's using universal morality as a subversive weapon - sklavenmoral. Feminists see this, reject it, and laugh at his pitiful attempts. Until you recognize feminists as an incredibly smart and cunning group, you will never overcome them.

Yes there are resentful elements within feminism but that doesn't constitute its entirety. Women, through feminism, are now the central gender, in that men increasingly define our existence in opposition to theirs instead of the other way around. It used to be wrong for women to wear pants, then they forced us to share pants with them. But we haven't taken anything from them. All we can do is feebly demand they go back to dresses while they tell us 'no'. Everything male becomes theirs, but nothing of theirs becomes ours. We get pushed to a smaller and smaller periphery.
The ultimate master stroke of feminism has been to define masculinity around only its most dysgenic and unproductive elements, while they coopt formerly masculine traits into a domain they control. It's really genius when you get down to it.

The first step to resolve this would be a masculinist movement which is ACTIVE and thus Nietzschean and not REACTIVE. But this cannot be because men, most men anyway, are allergic to any kind of gender discussion, naively thinking that gender essentialism will be their liberty.

>>24634934 (OP)
>But you're not, you're plugging yourself into a machine that was literally built to turn women into walking holes and punching bags.
damn I like the sound of that

>>24649775
The future of civilization is male. What I mean by this is we will eventually develop methods of artificial breeding at that point there's no reason not to create a department whose sole purpose is producing genetically superior people generation on generation.
Women will be totally outmoded since males excel in every way.
Femininity will be outsourced to machines and homosexual men.
We will become the gayniggers from outer space and we will travel the stars liberating men from their women.

Not only are these my honest beliefs, but everything I do is in service of this goal.

>>24652929
>Everything male becomes theirs, but nothing of theirs becomes ours. We get pushed to a smaller and smaller periphery.

Are you blind? I've never had a female handyman at my house because there are no available and I don't see this ever changing. Females are pushing an agenda that they are just as useful as men, they are not. And they don't even try because they don't want to do real work. And with this everything substantial in technology and actual productive economy - not the feminised monetary version of where diversity flourishes and where secretaries are needed - is dominated by men. If we were as bad as feminists say we could go back to a state of patriarchy like it was 70 years ago in a single day, but men are actually empathetic human beings and they also don't need to assert such dominance.

>The ultimate master stroke of feminism has been to define masculinity around only its most dysgenic and unproductive elements, while they coopt formerly masculine traits into a domain they control. It's really genius when you get down to it.

Women know that they need men. What you are talking about is an extremely superficial phenomenon of feminism (like this movie I watched yesterday where the mother said to her daughter that she should not trust her love interest either way because he has a penis) and men should not be bothered about it because it's not even worth the energy.

>>24650774
>Plenty of women are artistic.
Yeah, they make the safest, kid-friendliest, milquetoast shit imaginable. Sarah the vegan from pottery class is not a friend of the arts. She seethes and rages at any artist who uses the word bitch in his work, and will personally contact every credit card company she can to get him deplatformed.
>>24650969
So you're a feminist? You believe in equality? That's great. When are you going to sign a military draft card? Did you reject all the women only scholarships for college? Do you advocate for men to seek treatment in women's hospitals? No? Then you're not for equality. You're for female privilege.

>>24634934 (OP)
wtf I love porn now

>>24634934 (OP)
Clearly porn producers are the issue here, only leftists faggots blame consumers, I wonder who these producers are..

>>24653458
Picasso said every artist is a woman and should have a taste for other women. Artists who are homosexual cannot be true artists because they like men, and since they themselves are women they are reverting to normality.

>>24653526
all this proves is that beyond physical features Picasso didn't understand women at all.

>>24653575
first time I've ever heard someone accuse Picasso of understanding women physically but not mentally

>>24653583
Picasso understood form just fine, in fact he mastered it in his teens. Then he got bored of it and started distorting the fuck out of it for his own amusement. And the distorted/exaggerated works are the ones that got popular for being weird.

>>24653597
mate he was mentally ill and ended up with one of the worst documented cases of dementia at the time
he distorted it because his reality was distorted

>>24653597
yeah everyone into art knows the story about picasso (age 11) mastering bargue's academic realism plates at 10 years old - better than his father. bit of a reddit view of modern art.

>>24635244
Trvke

>>24652929
>I'm literally instructing you and other men to seize power directly and to stop with these limp attempts at debating feminism into submission.
>But this cannot be because men, most men anyway, are allergic to any kind of gender discussion, naively thinking that gender essentialism will be their liberty.
So... you're saying that we should create some sort of subversive cultural product, a sort of machine built to turn women into walking holes and punching bags without the users realizing this effect at work?

>>24640467
All porn is 2D.

I love my daughters, I love my wife and I love porn.

>>24650969
By the same logic jews are actually the master race.

>>24635709
>Now a girl keeps texting me how much she needs me just after 1 day we have spent together


Massive red flag dude

>>24646296

I'm going to assume this is bait, or a spiteful woman.

>>24635709
Just saying, tell your family where you're going to be when you go out with her, because she /will/ be wearing your skin next week.

>>24637227
It kinda is
Seeing as how prevalent it is and is constantly being spread by ads,society and even your peers.
Basement dwellers like you can't relate naturally.

>>24650877
no idea, but you just know this bitch would watch magic mike, or shlick to that dude from tangled

>>24646296
>being a virtuous man occasionally indulging in a vice, you're just as bad as the strung out junkie fiending over his next fix
Utterly ridiculous and unhealthy standard.

>>24654319
That post is a week old, she's probably wearing it already and posting ITT.

>>24654485
Hot

>>24636575
what, no I'm not gay and in the closet haha my tantric cathexis just got misalinged in the infinite hall of mirrors, yea the porn turned me into a furry sadist because I was bored I swear!

>>24654299
Do you watch porn together as family bonding?

>>24634934 (OP)
But all the women I’ve slept with in the last few years DID like getting spanked and dominated. They ask me to do it, not the other way around.

Didn't realize women were forced to do porn.
/thread

>>24655456
i watch porn with my daughter (mtf) every night
im trans btw

>>24634934 (OP)
Didn't read; don't care.

>>24634934 (OP)
>Dworkin
We should all form our opinions on women and gender dynamics based on the femcel rantings of a 500lbs jew.

>>24634934 (OP)
Porn doesn't make men posses women. She doesn't understand it.

>>24649868
>>24649913
>When Kollontai was women's kommissar she wanted to throw the institutions of family, monogamy, and marriage in the trash
>You went full Soviet Union
How is this "going full Soviet Union" when the actual Soviet Union literally never implemented any of that? Some fucked up logic here.

>>24634934 (OP)
interesting, does Andrea Dworking and those pornographers with names and addresses share an ethnicity by any chance? or is it just "the system" maaaaaan?

>>24634934 (OP)
I think Dworkin was right for the wrong reasons. Porn is inharently degrading, but it’s the consumer getting degraded. It’s admitting though your actions “I’m not man enough to go out and fuck any bitch I see, but I’m also not man enough to control my libido”. Coomers making jokes about how much and what kind of porn they consume is like seeing a fat peice of shit sperg out about McDonald’s to a bunch of chefs: just tell us you can’t cook bro.
Dworkin does seem like the kind to say “lesbians can’t rape because rape is inharently male”, so any redpills she may have about porn are instances of a stopped clock, not actual insight

>>24657194
>I’m not man enough to go out and fuck any bitch I see
Degrading females IRL à la Max Hardcore would still make some of the points she makes stand

Women wrote all that shit while running off to Tyrone. Women lie as a means to protect themselves and it is hardcoded into their DNA. They want to be dominated by dominant men, humiliated, degraded, and fucked within an inch of their lives. Women thrive on the drama of their own defilement and wear black eyes like makeup.

>>24657194
>one can go out and fuck any chick he wants to fuck in his sight

Stopped months ago bro

>>24655558
Please dont bring up this kind of thing its triggering for some of us

>>24634934 (OP)
>Dworkin defended de Sade
Clearly she was into abusechads.