Thread 24641034

Read it. Educate yourselves.

>>24641034 (OP)
His casual explanations make him sound oddly like a beatnik.

>>24641034 (OP)
author of popular slop writes memoirs
>kek

>>24641034 (OP)
>Do a lot of cocaine
>Come up with a dude what if [normally benign thing] was actually EVIL plot
>???
>Profit

I read it and I liked it. But what does he have against people who outline their plots? I tried writing a novella according to King's suggestions, but I ended up feeling like I was meandering or losing the plot. Even a few revisions didn't make a difference.

He says you can turn an ok writer into a good writer, but you can't turn a good writer into a great writer. Is this true?

I refuse to read books on writing. I don't want to catch brainworms. I want my work to be my own.

>>24641899
I think he's just sucking himself off with that one. In the book he says that he was close to giving up because he wasn't making any headway with his writing career until Carrie, and he talks about his other author friends that stuck with the grind until they got published.

>>24641899
He's tried his whole life to get there and just couldn't.. he knows from experience.

>then all the kids sucked each other off and the evil clown died. the end.

>>24641034 (OP)
>stephen king
>read it
lol no

>>24641034 (OP)
>Stephen King
>"On Writing"
>Step 1: do a bunch of cocaine
>Step 2: write some weird dark shit

>>24641034 (OP)
For me, it's Dwight Swain.

>>24641034 (OP)
I did years ago. It was pretty good. Don't know if it helped my writing anymore than reading and analyzing what works and what doesn't did, though.

>>24642357
been meaning to read techniques of the selling writer. is it good, or is it just outdated publishing advice? i wasn't sure if it was about writing or selling your work.

>>24641034 (OP)
Widely considered one of the worst books on writing

>>24641899
He was always a mediocre writer with cool ideas but could never become a good one. He either wasn't trying since he was raking cash from his films or just couldn't.

>>24643873
Just because you’re fat doesn’t mean you can say ‘widely considered’

>>24641892
>losing the plot
Plotfag filtered. You will quickly lose motivation to write if your vision is fueled on nothing but slop. All plotfags are failed comic book artists, failed game designers: they think writing is an easy fallback, but they’re all talentless to the core, so it makes no difference.

>>24641034 (OP)
>writing a book about writing
>filming a film about filming
>singing a song about singing
>making a game about making games
What other works are like this?

>>24643924
Painting about painting

>>24641034 (OP)
>take writing advice from a guy who has never written a good ending
>from a guy whose novels are consistently 400 pages too long
>from a guy who has been recycling the same characters, plot devices, settings, and ideas for 50 years
>from a guy who hasnt written a good book since the 70s
>from a drug addict who is definitely on Epstein's client list
That car accident should have killed him. Now he's like the personification of The Simpsons. Every time a new book comes out people are like "when is God going to cancel this fucker?"

>>24641903
based

>>24643950
I live in Sarasota, FL. He has a large home here. Years ago, when I was a teenager, my friend who worked at the movie theater told me about how he came to see a film.. he stood up and clapped after an explosion scene. I don't know if that's true or not, but it makes me lol when I think about it.

>>24641899
Why would you take advice from a man who isn't even a mediocre writer?

I never read Kings version but I did listen to all of Sol Stein
I don't think it really helped, a lot of it is basically
>Read more
I think the best way to become a better writer is simply sitting down to write. You'll start to see yourself progressing.
In that I believe Deep Work by Cal Newport is a better guide on writing.

It's depressing but the best written works only happen when you start to get older, there's only very few authors that could write their definitive works in their teens of 20's, most successful authors that we know wrote all of their best works in their mid 30's.
So it's really just fucking up until you hit your 30's and then suddenly you make a masterpiece that resonates with everyone

>>24644064
lmao

>>24641034 (OP)
People who seethe about books like this and Sanderson's stuff that's clearly meant to just give you a handle on the mechanics and structure of pop storytelling are telling on themselves more than anything. If you can't have interesting ideas no one can teach you to do that.

>>24644201
It’s actually usually even later than your thirties for the best work of the canon. Shakespeare got to his tragedies in his forties, Milton wrote Paradise Lost around 60, Tolstoy wrote Anna Karenina in his late forties, finishing at 50.

>>24644064
I like to imagine he cried out "yeeeh! So cool!" like a deaf guy as he clapped.

>>24641034 (OP)
I dont read slop made by this retard

>>24643880
LMAO

I'm working on a fantasy novel where all the characters are black and behave according to racist stereotypes, lots of watermelon, fried chicken, and loud music.

whoever applies this formula for millennials is making beaucoup bux
oh wait just write ya bestiality

>>24641034 (OP)
There is no advice for you there, you can't become a good writer by imitating the words of Stephen King.

You can't copy anyone else, you have to be yourself.

>>24641034 (OP)
> what if car was evil
> what if writer was evil
> what if pedophiles were evil
> what if cellphones were evil
> what if past was evil

it's really not that hard to imitate Stephen King.

>>24646486
where does the fantasy part come in

>>24643916
Is this how I find out that King is back on cocaine and shitposting on 4chan?

>>24641905
You haven't read the book. King admits he's not a great writer, merely a good one. Hes very open about the fact that he writes genre-schlock, but he still takes pride in the craft.

>>24643916
This is the truth that wannabe writers and failed STEMtards can’t swallow. Your ‘perfectly’ crafted plot won’t make your writing any less shitty than it is. Your writing is a reflection of your mind, if you need to map it, you’re a retard.

>>24641903
>I want my work to be my own.
Cool, but have you even published anything?

>>24644573
They’re successful for a reason. Both are great examples of how far you can get with just ideas and plotting alone. But people here would rather denigrate their work than try to glean something useful from it. Which is funny, considering how dreadful the sincere writing submissions here tend to be.

>>24643950
>taking writing advice from the most commercially successful writer of all time

>>24643880
holy btfo

>>24648695
Taking advice from some pedo looking creep who writes by the pound

>>24643880
Holy kek

>>24641899
This happen when you take writing like something more than a hobby.

>>24643880
based

ITT: seething failed writers

>>24641034 (OP)
King has good advice but I get the impression that he doesn't practice what he preaches. His writing comes across like he doesn't read enough books and that he's kinda shallow in some aspects.

>>24646605
Pretty much. All of the great authors were very autobiographical in that sense.

>>24643880
Jesus, I didn't expect to come across a murder scene here

>>24641899
Maybe he should spend less time telling people how to write and more time fixing those last few books of The Dark Tower.

>>24641034 (OP)

I don't think I need writing advice from a guy who makes 50% of his main characters "a writer from Maine".

>>24648695
J K Rowling?

>>24651452
>His writing comes across like he doesn't read enough books
He’s probably read more books than anyone on Earth… I’ll give him that much.

>>24650903
so…. every thread on /lit/ ever

>>24641428
>a dude
you mean a character who also happens to be a writer

>>24641034 (OP)
>We met when we were working in a library, and I fell in love with her during a poetry workshop in the fall of 1969, when I was a senior and Tabby was a junior. I fell in love with her partly because I understood what she was doing with her work. I fell because she understood what she was doing with it. I also fell because she was wearing a sexy black dress and silk stockings, the kind that hook with garters.

>Tabby was in one of Jim Bishop’s rocking chairs that night. I was sitting on the floor beside her. I put my hand on her calf as she spoke, cupping the curve of warm flesh through her stocking. She smiled at me. I smiled back. Sometimes these things are not accidents. I’m almost sure of it.

>>24641899
What would Stephen King know about good writing?

>>24643698
Babby's first writing advice

It's a little sparse on advice admittedly

>that part where he says he used to blast eminem at max volume to get hype for writing

sovl

>>24653815
Find me the page where he calls himself a “good writer”.
I’ll fucking wait, faggot.

i read this once years ago it's like a nothing book. any, and i mean any book that has a list of like 100-300 things or tips for writers is going to be magnitudes better than this

>>24656562
>I'M THE REAL SLIM SHADY AAAHHH child orgy in sewer
what a weirdo

>>24652778
The best advice you could receive is “write what you know.”

Joe Hill is proof that his techniques work (or used to work)

>>24653717
Wat

>>24656562
Whiteoids do this for some reason. Daniel Day Lewis did the same thing for his role in Gangs of New York

>>24653720
Does that make every 4chan thread failed human beings seething?