Thread 24642934

>refused to worship democracy, called it “the dictatorship of capital with ballots”
>stood against fascism and liberal antifascism, saying both were just bourgeois factions
>literally predicted that antifascist fronts would neuter revolutionary potential and keep capitalism alive (see his critiques of the Popular Fronts, 1930s)
>called out the USSR under Stalin as “capitalist in essence” while most communists were still drinking the Kool-Aid
>argued that Russia’s NEP and forced industrialization = state capitalism decades before it became common knowledge
>wrote “The Democratic Principle” (1922) where he shredded the idea that socialism can be won through elections
>basically said: “parliamentarism is just capitalism in slow motion”
>predicted the collapse of Nazi Germany as a byproduct of capitalist contradictions, not antifascist heroism
>denounced the fetish of “antifascism” because even if you beat fascism, capitalism still wins
>stood against Stalinism when it was dangerous to do so, called out the USSR’s degeneration into state capitalism decades before mainstream historians admitted it
>was arrested by Mussolini’s regime, literally told the police “I’m a communist, arrest me if you like, it changes nothing”
>said that the holocaust wasn't driven primarily by ideology, but instead by the need to liquidate the jewish middle class and enrich the "aryan" petty bourgeoisie

What did bordiga mean by this??

>>24642934 (OP)
Bordiga is the goat but modern leftcoms are annoying as hell they only have like one joke
“Dude lassalle lmao”

Leftoids still never get why anti fascism is counterrevolutionary and that’s why they’ll never achieve shit

>>24642934 (OP)
>What did bordiga mean by this??
"I am entirely disconnected from praxis."

>>24642934 (OP)
Just shitting on everyone is the absolute peak of leftist intellectualism it seems

>>24642934 (OP)
>repeats the statecap line of every single non-leninist
>negates the Holocaust (/accepts the article's publishment in his newspaper)
>dimnishes the fight against fascism and its worldwide spread because it doesn't suit his dogmatic views
>calls socialism religion and "Capital" the movement's Bible proving that marxism doesn't hold up to scrutiny
>rots in the dustbin of history until some random italians and marxologists mention him by name in their works, unleashing a pandora box of terminally online leftypoltards for a few months in 2016

>>24643673
> terminally online leftypoltards for a few months in 2016
i was one of them

>denounces everyone for not being commie enough
Yeah ok but what did he actually propose instead?
He just sounds like another retard playing in the abstracted ideological playpen created by marx and not interacting with either reality or other ideas.

>>24642934 (OP)
Never understood what his deal was. They're the most reductionist of reductionists. At least stand for something, for the love of God.

>>24644634
I was pretty much a non-progressive mutualist then

>>24642934 (OP)
Sounds like the usual communist bullshit about "muh democracy" to me. They project a lot into the word democracy, including justice, freedom etc.

>>24642965
Exactly

>>24644652
>Yeah ok but what did he actually propose instead?
To accelerate capitalism and allow for its contradictions to destroy itself while spreading propaganda
>He just sounds like another retard playing in the abstracted ideological playpen created by marx and not interacting with either reality
Marxism is just the description of reality
>or other ideas.
He supported them insofar as they accelerated capitalism

>>24644667
Italian communists at his time were only popular in the northern industrialized regions. South was agrarian society. I guess once you realize that you don't win the numbers game you just defend your spot in the pond

>>24644696
That image looks like it was made to be posted on some MAGA facebook page to troll boomers lol

>>24644634
https://youtu.be/VqJwCgM5kgk?si=o-vNoxmgE3amxPZi

>>24642934 (OP)
>I'll criticise every regime as capitalistic, but I would never ever ever offer a viable solution.
Yep, that's a commie

>>24644705
>To accelerate capitalism and allow for its contradictions to destroy itself
Can someone please explain this to me, because left-wing accelerationism seems kind of stupid even by modern left-wing standards.
>Capital collapses
>Society devolves into warlordism
>Years pass and factions emerge
>Tribalism is now rampant and small factions start trading
>The largest faction ensures supremacy because it can create surplus with capital 2.0
>By year 3000, the regime and society are capitalistic again, and everyone wants to go there to major in Marx and anti-capitalist thought.
At least right-wing accelerationism requires a singularity that decouples work from material goods. I'm not trying to be a smart aleck, what am I missing?

>>24643673
>>repeats the statecap line of every single non-leninist
Son, my local Tankie party acknowledges the value form circulated in the Soviet Union, and that wage labour was its primary indicator.

>>24644705
So he was the preincarnation of Nick Land. It all makes sense now. Especially the fucktarded fanbois.

>>24644705
>Marxism is just the description of reality
And yet every one of its predictions has been wrong. Why don't commies just admit their attachment to marxism has nothing to do with its accuracy and everything to do with appealing to a judaic moral worldview.

>>24642934 (OP)
Sounds like a retard who was wrong about everything.

>>24646886
every prediction marx made has come true. go read something nigger

>>24646886
>And yet every one of its predictions has been wrong
I can't tell if you're joking, sarcasm doesn't really translate to text but the rate of profit and middle class have been shrinking for decades at this point

>>24646336
>decouples work from material goods
That's how capitalism destroys itself, the rate of profit shrinks over time. Automated factories won't magically delete themselves when capitalism ends

Every prediction Marx made has come true, except for the revolution.
Why is this? Is the proletariat just retarded? Or do we have to wait 2 more weeks?
Or perhaps, Marx was wrong, and class consciousness does not naturally permeate as a result of the material conditions of the working class.
What do you think, anon?

>>24647405
Marx's treatment is incomplete. He understood material conditions but possessed only a nascent understanding of the cultural-psychoanalytic component. The natural emergence of CC can be seen in the early labor movement which is best interpreted as an unprecedented self-organizing effort by the workers themselves, unanticipated by capitalists, and thus highly successful. The degree of social engineering that has since developed seeks to psychically castrate the proletariat at ever greater intensities. Proletarian publications have diminished and "word of mouth" communication is now facilitated on a small few platforms all of which are dominated by capitalists or their representatives in government.

>>24646923
I have. He's still only marginally right.

>>24647455
I don't really disagree but I think another big part of it is that the ruling class gave some (pretty major) concessions during the 20th century which made communism less appealing. At least until fairly recently you could expect 2 day weekends, reasonably safe working conditions, no child labor, workman's comp, etc.