Thread 24643109

Books about frustrated young men and the epidemic of sexlessness?

>>24643109 (OP)
I hate the word epidemic and the “male loneliness epidemic” framing but anyway my diary desu

>>24643111
op said sexlessness not loneliness

>>24643109 (OP)
Michel Houllebecq. After Elementary Particles I’m not sure what else you could write about the topic.

>>24643123
i don't think houllebecq gets it cuz the sexless guy in that book or the other one is sexless because he's ugly but most sexlessness is due to poor social skills not physical appearance

>>24643117
No real difference in this case

>>24643109 (OP)
Im about to write one after going to university for awhile. Its gonna be informed mostly by the history of ideas and culture.

>>24643130
Social skills matter but shouldn't. Caring about women's feelings too much has hurt society. We need to care less.

>>24643194
ya but that's the social skills part. men today don't realize that they're supposed to disregard the relationship shit they're told. tulathimutte covered this perfectly well in "the feminist".

>>24643109 (OP)
>catcher in the rye

>>24643213
He's like 15. Plus it could've worked out with Sally or whatever her name down the road if he didn't sperg out and rant about eloping.

>>24643213
>>24643738
He rapes his sister, Phoebe.

How the fuck did nobody do the "my diary desu" line

>>24644158
How did you not read the first reply of this thread? You absolute buffoon, imbecile

>>24644166
Sorry 0_0 I didn't read through it because I saw male loneliness epidemic and stopped reading there

>>24644178
You will get raped

>>24643130
>most sexlessness is due to poor social skills not physical appearance
30 mins of Chadfishing from a Chad profile from which you tell women that you're extremely nervous in person and have very poor social skills will disabuse you of this idea.

>>24643130
there used to be a pick-up show in which guys were brought up to a decent standard of social skills. didn't help - only the couple of hot guys in the group got anywhere. since the show's premise had failed miserably, it soon got canceled.

>>24643109 (OP)
Frankenstein unironically

>>24643130
If you're talking about Elementary Particles then the character Michel is literally a socially awkward guy that wants nothing to do with sex which is why he's lonely. His half brother is the one that's ugly. So imo the book shows both sides.

>>24644183
Gulp

>>24643109 (OP)
>epidemic of sexlessness
Is this real or is it just people complaining online?

>>24644469
Both. A large portion of the male population are forever alone social retards who were raised by single mothers (recipe for psychological disaster), video games, and unrestricted internet access.
Now that would be one thing, but they're caught in a mental loop of cope about why they can't overcome this problem. The endless mentally ill rationalisation is so tiresome and they can't even see that that's literally a product of mental illness.
It gets even more annoying when they point to the damaged women who were raised in the same environment as them and then blame the them for their own failures.

>>24644469
Calling it an epidemic is hyperbole but there have been noteworthy increases in percentage sexlessness across multiple demographics and when reduced to an average almost a parity between sexes amongst younger males and females. A fair number of data generators don't care about you at all once you reach prime in most countries so it's more difficult to say it affects them with any accuracy and interest only picks up again closer to retirement. We could say prime age adults are having more sex but there isn't likely to be a large difference between whatever data sets are available. We could also say they are having less sex and the difference would be just as difficult to determine. Sex rates are definitely down amongst younger people though.

>>24644559
>when reduced to an average almost a parity between sexes amongst younger males and females
But 4chan told me all women are whores and are getting banged by chad on the daily. Are they turning high-value males down?

>>24644584
>almost a parity
Really? I thought there was a sizable difference between the male and female, the only significant demographic in this context.

>>24644843
^
This...
>>24644559
^
meant for this.

>>24643194
The cure for respecting women is talking to them.

>>24643109 (OP)
Jesus FUCK would you shut the fuck up. I am so beyond tired of the constant crying cumming and shitting of the incel community. You guys are like the youngest child, always trying to be the center of attention, and everyone gives it to you. “What can we do to get young men back into society? Back into higher education, back into work, back into the dating market?” And you guys are over there sobbing and drooling as you play Fortnite for 14 hours a day going “Waaaa me isolated, me part of an epidemic so it’s not my fault” no, you’re actually a worm and you’re your own problem. You want to blame everyone else like every loser ever, but the issue is simply that you’re a soft weak bitch and were always going to be. Society isn’t too hard on you—it’s too easy. You’re spoiled. You subside on your mother’s endless supply of tendies and play video games and cry when the world doesn’t give you things for free. Tell me I’m not describing a literal toddler. You want to stop being a pathetic faggot? It starts with you. You should be working every day to improve yourself, reading books, reflecting on ways you could do better, putting yourself out there, having personal standards, being honest with yourself. Instead you rot and cry and game and blame women and Jews and troll online when you’re not gaming. You are disgusting. If every single male like you killed himself the world would be better off.

You could probably write an extensive non-fiction book on the subject.

>>24644866
Hey watch it pal.

>>24643109 (OP)
Rejection might be up your alley

>>24644553
>epidemic
>their own failures.
Pick one.

>>24644584
If you are under the impression anything I said doesn't apply to you then I'm not sure why you even bothered to respond. I'm not going to go through the explication of how the notion of wasting time is impossible. You keep believing the memes champ.

>>24644843
>>24644850
Per individual set the rate of sexlessness is higher for males, as an aggregate this is also noted. The difference is less than 5% on average when taken as a flat rate. It is fair to say there is an aspect of parity. The rates of reported virginity are also up amongst both sexes from previous sets but this isn't a drastic rise. The rate of sexlessness for zoomers both male and female has been trending higher than previous generations at that respective age group.

>>24644553
>It gets even more annoying when they point to the damaged women who were raised in the same environment as them and then blame the them for their own failures.
men and women are NOT raised in the same environment. Women breathe the same air as men and walk on the same soil? That's about the end of the similarities.

>>24644888
> there a sexlessness parity but only if I tamper with statistics hard enough
Then there is none.

>>24644911
You go look for yourself then lil guy.

Here are some actual pieces of advice for the men who aren’t completely past the point of redemption and living parodies, like >>24644852
- STOP WATCHING PORN. The best way to think of porn is too much sugar for your brain. I recently sat down at a “gourmet” ice cream parlor where they basically just shat out every sugar confection they could find into like a literal vase filled with ice cream, and almost vomited just looking at it. There were several other people there who were just fucking digging in to this Lovecraftian monstrosity. All were obese. I watched in horror as they shoveled it all down, the entire glass barrel of ice cream, with its waffles and candy bars and sprinkles and syrup. I took a few bites for my friend’s sake, she also could only eat a little. We got dirty looks as we left for just leaving our ten pounds of ice cream on the table. The fats who were able to eat that shit had simply conditioned themselves to it, so they no longer realized how unhealthy it was. This is what porn enjoyers are like, spiritually. Spiritual fat asses. You are unhealthy. Stop.
- STOP PLAYING VIDEO GAMES. Find an actually constructive hobby. All you’re doing when you game for hours on end is staring into the void. You’re just killing time until you die. Gosh how should I spend the next 8 God-given hours. I know. On Fortnite. This is one of the reasons humans today are so much more retarded than they used to be and why there are no more Great Men. Remember in Superman when Lex hooks Krypto up to that squirrel chasing simulator and he’s fucking haggard and totally zonked out? That’s you. Your brain is fried. When you finally stop wasting time it’s not even like you snap back to reality. You can’t think clearly, you can’t form arguments, you can’t read without losing focus, not that you read. You just seem literally retarded to someone like me, who spends her time on actually constructive things and has a functioning brain. It’s very common for me to interact with the average male today, whether online or irl, and feel like I’m talking to a malfunctioning chat bot.
- STOP BEING A BITCH. I don’t know how else to put it. When you get in a “woe is me!” frame of mind, call yourself a faggot and get it together. Have some self respect. This has consequences that affect everything in your life. Depressed and isolated? That’s because you’re a bitch. No success with women? They think you’re weird? Because you’re a scared faggot bitch. Women like confident men who are comfortable in their skin, not sad boy gamers with prey eyes and hunched shoulders who are soon going to be seething about how women are subhumans deserving of rape online. All you have to do to attract is women is not be a bitch. Be a man with personal standards and integrity. Work hard. Stop crying.

Good luck.

>>24643109 (OP)
escape the chains

>>24644925
Kys

>>24644925
Good post.

>>24644925
Nothing wrong with video games as long as you're not playing every day and they're not your only hobby. I would even argue team based competitive multiplayer games are beneficial to play as long as you're not a freak with anger issues and can play in moderation.
People just stopped treating them like entertainment and wanted them to become a second life so game developers obliged and now make one hundred hour long single games and MMOs. It took me like eight months to beat Red Dead 2. Admittedly that shit was tight though.

My twisted life- Elliot Rodger

Typed think there’d be a ton of theses books but I can only think of white nights and oblomov

>>24644925
one of my roommates was unemployed and played fortnite about 10 hours a day with occasional breaks to smoke weed, he got TONS of pussy. there were always girls in his fucking and sucking at all hours.

More or less anything from this sperg

>>24646246
Smoking weed probably isn't even detrimental to getting girls. Looks matter a lot but as far as personality matters, a good personality for getting girls is the opposite of the stoic philosopher shilled here.

>>24646256
yes well as long as u have a "good personality" and good weed, you can play as much fortnite as you want and still get laid, don't listen to that bitter cat lady

>>24644469
It's Indians getting internet access and migrating to white countries

>>24644935
Who's the guy in the upper right corner of that photo

>>24644925
I don't do any of those things and I still can't attract women.

>>24643109 (OP)
Just become a cunnychad like Matzneff bruv

>>24646289
Klaus Schwab, chief, uh... Dude, of the world economic forum. I'm more concerned about the cube, though...

>>24644469
It's real

>>24646246
Sounds like a dealer but girls pay for drugs with their ass not with money

>>24644902
Women raised by single parents are damaged by it just the same as men are. Divorce is child abuse and should be illegal.

you need to stop wallowing in relatable literature and read things written by men that actually interface with women. there are a million different ways that men in history worse off than you have figured it out, like that guy above. find new ideas in the world, stop navel gazing and look outwards. if lit really effects you then use that to your advantage. I read about men that live interesting lives, I'm renting an apartment in tokyo for three months to basically just get fucked up and meet girls every way I could think of. stop fixating in self-perpetuating pity pulp. it's cool that you're trying to understand yourself but it's only going to get you so far.
>https://open.substack.com/pub/kusoaho/p/how-to-fuck-in-tokyo?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=6bmiy8
literally my diary desu

>>24643176
idiot or esl?

The epidemic must continue to grow. I hope women start demanding bachelor tax from all these sexless men too. Drive them to point of madness. Give them no hope.

Accelerate.

>>24644866
i ain’t reading all that
i’m happy for you tho
or sorry that happened

>>24647532
holy based oh my GOD

The most Jewish thing done to young people today is convincing them that their problems (loneliness, lack of meaning, destroyed families, being raised by single parents) can be solved by participating in the things that caused those problems (casual sex, hookups, presenting the whole world as a dichotomy between happy normal people who have casual sex and disgusting incels, etc).

>Male loneliness/sexlessness epidemic
Nah, women just behave like darwinistic fuckboys now. This is what you call the pendulum swinging to the opposite side. Women are the gatekeepers, you never really had a chance to begin with. You don't choose, she does.

>>24643213
He could have had sex if he wanted to.

>sexlessness
And that's a bad thing?

>>24647186
>opposite sex
It's the chemicals in the water turning the zoomers gay.

>>24643109 (OP)
Seconding >>24644208 literally the first thing the creature requests to his creator after finding him was some frankenpussy to cope with loneliness

>>24644925
>- STOP BEING A BITCH. I don’t know how else to put it. When you get in a “woe is me!” frame of mind, call yourself a faggot and get it together. Have some self respect. This has consequences that affect everything in your life. Depressed and isolated? That’s because you’re a bitch. No success with women? They think you’re weird? Because you’re a scared faggot bitch. Women like confident men who are comfortable in their skin, not sad boy gamers with prey eyes and hunched shoulders who are soon going to be seething about how women are subhumans deserving of rape online. All you have to do to attract is women is not be a bitch. Be a man with personal standards and integrity. Work hard. Stop crying.
I hate how women are hard wired to love confidence. I literally don't get it. To me, confidence is offputting. It's not even a trait I want, because it's not objectively beneficial. So much of my good traits come from intense self scrutiny and self reflection, and being willing to admit I'm wrong and imperfect. Confidence is a retarded trait to select for. And I am comfortable in my skin, and I don't have social anxiety issues either, but the confidence women look for is entirely different, and it's retarded.

>>24648701
>roughly 10% of zoomettes expect the male to make $200k+
>46% of zoomettes claim they won't settle for a male that makes less than $80k and also wouldn't want an unemployed male
>almost 1 in 3 zoomettes admitted they would take an ex back if the male wound up with an income they desired
>zoomers currently are sitting on the highest average personal debt levels for the respective age range compared to other generations at $94k a head

Good luck zoomer males. No one who knows could reasonably fault any of you.

>>24648774
I would unironically be fine with this because I at least have control over how much I make to some degree. The thing that really kills the dating scene is that they would still date a NEET druggie if he had a chad face and was 6'4. These income requirements only apply to the average Joes of the world.

Just shot off a few messages to some prostitutes around the area. Hope I get a decent, non-scammy response.

>>24643109 (OP)
OP is a jew. Its on the JIDF list "push list" right now? Tp constantly reinforce the "epidemic of incel" bullshit line. Fuck OP, a rotten shit for brains shill.
thats all, and a good night to all.

>>24649682
t.Schizophrenic

>>24643756
>He rapes his sister, Phoebe.
I hear this a lot. I happen to have read the book. Why don't you screen cap a picture of where the book says it, huh? (pro tip? It doesnt and i know it)

>>24644584
>Are they turning high-value males down?
that, will *never* happen.

>>24647338
>Women raised by single parents are damaged by it just the same as men are. Divorce is child abuse and should be illegal.
true.
but at the end of *both* days? Men get it worse then women do.

>>24648739
>but the confidence women look for is entirely different, and it's retarded.
almost all men can tell at A GLANCE, when some skinny young kid is all mouth. IE, all show, no go. Women? Girls and older women both... they cant tell the diff. To women? That skinny "bad boy" is "tough" because he runs his mouth. women can't tell an "alpha male" from an "asshole". Straight fact, right there.

>>24649686
>>>24649682 (You)
>t.Schizophrenic
t.? jew shill. pushing a *known* narrative n 4-chins. Fuck you, jew boy. Go back to where you belong. This aint social media? Where you get some IDF bitch in charge of banning people. so go shove a manura up your kike ass.

>>24646266
>migrating to white countries
So staying in India?

Here's my new thesis on male question:

1: Women raising male kids have been disaster for males.
2: Women have different goals than men.
3: Males should be raised by males only, no involvement of women beyond infancy.
4: Institution of family, monogamy and marriage should be thrown in the trash can.
5: State should raise the kids.
6: Family unit hurts men the most and it is beneficial to foids the most.
7: Men should only stick to polyamory.

>>24649707
Men can't tell either, that's why it's always such a big deal when some famous rapper gets outed for having grown up in the suburbs

>>24644874
Rejection is so good. I’m halfway through and loving it

>>24649707
You can tell this by looking at women's fictional crushes in weeb media or even in celebrities too. It's always effeminate looking guys that act confident. Women are just fucking retarded.

>>24643109 (OP)
The internet has given women so much power in dating that even fuckboys are starting to lose out as women are able to completely reorient dating to suit their own designs. 50 chads all competing for the same woman who leads them all on for years, they don't need sex for validation anymore and will only give it up when Chad absolutely proves himself beyond measure and then likely leave him too when she gets bored. It's honestly insane how much power women hold in dating now compared to 20 years ago and it's mostly due to the internet. Just imagine what it's going to be like in 30.

>>24650366
I'm at least glad that zoomers are definitely less retarded about this than millennials are. They understand this, they're not naive. I can't imagine many would be happy to become a beta provider once women start hitting 30 and wanting to settle down. The pendulum will swing. Sadly, it's not like it will lead to any positives for the men, the damage is already done. It just means women will be desperate to get married while men won't settle for a ran through 30-35 year old girl. I just hope AI waifus take off soon.

>>24650417
Not all us fell for the propaganda however

>>24649682
Where?

>>24648649
Good reason to rape them then

>>24649707
>>24650339
Makes sense now. Im not skinny and very insecure. Unfortunately this has led to violence.

>>24648739
Underrated post

>>24644852
Oh sure, and getting pepper sprayed. Great advice there, genius

The actual problem is that society tells us we're all on the same team, while relationships between men and women are at best a truce, and more accurately a competition.
Women all know this, intuitively, but men for some reason have forgotten or willingly allowed themselves to become deluded.

>>24650724
Its because our sex drive is stronger. The legalization of rape will solve this or at least downplaying its significance.

>>24650729
Men want to have sex with (most) women. Women do not want to have sex with (most) men.
Women want access to a man's bodily strength, resources, and willingness to work all day, recognise that the best way to get this is with some promise of sex, but ultimately don't really want to have sex with (most) men.
That's the entire cause of friction between the genders.

>>24644925
>No success with women? They think you’re weird? Because you’re a scared faggot bitch
SAAR BOBS AND VAGENE ARE THE ONLY REASON I EXIST... MY LIFE MUST REVOLVE AROUND BOBS AND VAGENE... MUST CHANGE FOR BOBS AND VAGENE...

>>24643109 (OP)
The New Testament

>>24650735
I think rape gets a bad rep. Its not nearly as important as some people think it is. Like who cares what a mentally unstable doll with big tits wants?

>>24643109 (OP)
My diary desu

>>24644925
quit porn and videogames so you can bag yourself a fat bitch who hates you and will inevitably take half your money but hey at least you managed to breed a devil's spawn who is totally not gonna grow up to be as fucked up as both of you are. Porn and videogame use are a symptom not a cause

>>24643109 (OP)

Is everyone in this thread from India and China? I live in a large east coast city and it's easy as fuck to get laid from literate art hoes. Just show some interest in their hobbies, make them laugh, pay for 1 dinner, that's it!

>>24649740
That's because no one who listens to (or sings) rap is a man, all of them are perpetual teenagers

>>24644925
>like me, who spends her
female detected opinion rejected
stay mad
what exactly is the diffrence between video games and books?
i personally like playing dark souls games since its like reading a book but you control the MC
playing strategy games like total war and hoi4 is cool since it prepares you to be general if a war comes
playing games like lol and dota is kinda retarded if you do it chronically, same with fps unless you play vr and training for a potential war
minecraft is also cool because you create your own little world kind of like taking care of a bonzai

>>24655517
But how do I meet and approach women in the first place?

>>24647420
How much Japanese did you learn before going? I've heard you're treated a lot better over there when you know a bit of a language, which you also mention in the post, but it's one of the most difficult and arduous languages for an English speaker to learn

>>24643123
Whatever is also great, it's even more bleak

>>24655673
Based reply

What is your advice?

>>24643109 (OP)
there are none because we are oppressed

>>24646256
Good personality = looks like chad

>>24657543
Autism pill is the most brutal pill. You can have the looks all you want if you're an autist you WILL give women the ick. Women show interest in good looking autist only in the start but when they talk to them and sniff their autism, they fucking run.

I am not denying that looks don't matter but if you're an autistcel it never began for you. If you go outside you see uggos, manlets, baldcels, even disabled people have partners. I think there is no such thing as an incel, maybe except the rare minority of truecels. Incels are just autists and volcels.

>>24650735
>Men want to have sex with (most) women.
Not really, or at least not once I got older.