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Anonymous No.24645328 >>24645334 >>24645382 >>24645395 >>24645413 >>24645417 >>24645439 >>24645551 >>24645664 >>24645737 >>24645956 >>24646113 >>24647276 >>24647822 >>24649974 >>24649980 >>24650340 >>24651600 >>24651800 >>24652859 >>24657294 >>24657939
Black authors who write about things other than blackness
It seems that all the celebrated black authors just write about them being black, and I have grown kinda prejudiced against reading any black author because I pre-emptively assume that their writing is gonna be about blackness, colonialism, etc. Are there authors who write more “generally”?
Anonymous No.24645330
Nah, not really, no.
Anonymous No.24645334 >>24645361 >>24645547
>>24645328 (OP)
Bible. Israelites was blacker than black they don’t want you to know that tho
Anonymous No.24645341 >>24645361 >>24646836 >>24656369
Not trying to be "racist," but sincerely why would you want to read something from a group that is by and large less capable of abstract thought?
Anonymous No.24645361
>>24645341
There are outliers, but they only seem to write about how terrible all the other races treat them.

>>24645334
hehe
Anonymous No.24645382 >>24645386
>>24645328 (OP)
>Are there authors who write more “generally”?
Dumas, I think. They would probably be from before the 20th century.
Anonymous No.24645386 >>24645411
>>24645382
Do mulattoes even count?
nomad No.24645395
>>24645328 (OP)
idk, some african or maybe at a stretch french lit probably
Anonymous No.24645411 >>24645417
>>24645386
>Do mulattoes even count?
I don't want to get into "one-drop-rule" autism. There must be more interesting directions to this thread, I suppose.
Anonymous No.24645413 >>24645424
>>24645328 (OP)
Reducing Baldwin’s subject matter to race, blackness, colonialism, social justice, etc. indicates a faulty understanding of his corpus. Do better.
Anonymous No.24645417 >>24645423
>>24645328 (OP)
There's only interest in a black guy's work if its about being black. There was a black lady in the 1800s who wrote a book about blue-eyed white twink; it was well-written but it is not exactly well-remembered
>>24645411
There's a lot of people who are mixed who made great contributions but I think we should keep to people who were mostly black and were coming from African culture here
Anonymous No.24645423 >>24645441
>>24645417
you're implying it's more publishers, or society at large than black capability?
Anonymous No.24645424 >>24645430
>>24645413
>Do better.
opinion discarded
Anonymous No.24645429 >>24649227 >>24649953 >>24651811 >>24653241 >>24654925
Anonymous No.24645430 >>24645434
>>24645424
I don’t care. Others can make their own determinations. Read the words.
Anonymous No.24645434 >>24645435
>>24645430
I read them and I need you to do better.
Anonymous No.24645435
>>24645434
I’m busy today. Maybe another time. Cheers.
Anonymous No.24645439
>>24645328 (OP)
but but but that would be cultural appropriation
>kek
Anonymous No.24645441 >>24645500
>>24645423
>publishers
It's fairly common knowledge that publishers are having a lot of influence on the fact that the number of new White authors has shrunk. It then might follow that they also prefer to publish minorities that write about themselves. There's literally requests to send in semi-autobiographical tales based on growing up Black/Middle-Eastern/Asian
Meanwhile before there were a lot of minority writers who wrote about something other than themselves (Dumas, Pushkin, heck even Gaiman)
Anonymous No.24645500 >>24645532
>>24645441
>even Gaiman
You mean Neil Gaiman?
I'm sorry, I don't get the point about Gaiman if so.
Anonymous No.24645522 >>24645532
Giovanni’s Room doesn’t have any black characters.
But not writing about being black requires not being autobiographical in any way, not making any reference to your social milieu. You’d have to write fantasy with only orcs and elves or some shit to avoid it - so maybe the Marlon James fantasy series fits your bill
Anonymous No.24645532 >>24645688
>>24645500
Neil Gaiman is brown-skinned but he rarely writes about other brown people
That being said he is a very pure-blooded Jew and thus MENA and not African. For some reason I thought he was a quarter African like Dumas for years
>>24645522
That too. We don't shit on Dostoevsky for only writing about Russians.
Anonymous No.24645536 >>24645595
Machado de Assis. Probably the greatest Black writer.
Anonymous No.24645547
>>24645334
>Bible. Israelites was blacker than black

Respectable that mozart never wrote music about his blackness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUIE6D_IoH0
Anonymous No.24645551 >>24645595 >>24656373
>>24645328 (OP)
machado de assis (harold bloom liked him)
Anonymous No.24645595 >>24646077 >>24646160 >>24646930 >>24650101
>>24645536
>>24645551
White in Brazil
Anonymous No.24645664
>>24645328 (OP)
Frankly I'm amazed some of them can write at all
Anonymous No.24645688 >>24656385
>>24645532
>Neil Gaiman is brown-skinned
...
Only if you're color-blind.
Anonymous No.24645737 >>24645786
>>24645328 (OP)
Anonymous No.24645751 >>24645965
the only book i read by james baldwin was about white faggots, i don't recall a single black person
Anonymous No.24645786
>>24645737
he wrote stuff too
Anonymous No.24645956
>>24645328 (OP)
Suonds like you never read Hogg.
Anonymous No.24645965
>>24645751
>i don't recall a single black person
>Giovanni
>Italian
close enough
Anonymous No.24646077 >>24646095
>>24645595
People here say he's black but there's also been a raging wave of mulatto erasure amongst other brazilian authors/writers like Lima Barreto where leftist just throw all these different mixed ethnicites into the same "black" cultural folder
Quite racist if ya ask me, they're separate cultural identities, I would expect that from /pol/ folk not cushy leftist academics
Anonymous No.24646095
>>24646077
>they're separate cultural identities
in america, multattoes have always been considered black. it's not a separate racial identity in the US
Anonymous No.24646113
>>24645328 (OP)
James Baldwin wrote Giovanni’s Room, which is a gay romance story, so I get the feeling you knew the answer to that question.
Anonymous No.24646160
>>24645595
You believe too much in hearsay that Brazilians considered mulattoes white. Machado's case is that everyone considered him mulatto/brown in his own age but didn't care much, aside from a few jokes here and there, because whites during the monarchy didn't think blacks were devoid of artistic talent since they manly descended from colonial portuguese settlers who often had black slaves trained as painters and sculptors working in ecclesiastic and civic buildings. Later generations tried to depict him as a very white looking quadroon or even white as a result of the coutry's changing ethnic and cultural landscape. Between 1870-1930 much of central, southeastern and southern Brazil was settled by non-Iberian Europeans who viewed mulattoes the same way white Americans view blacks.
Anonymous No.24646836 >>24647275 >>24647845
>>24645341
there's no proof of this.
Anonymous No.24646868 >>24650340
Try african folk tales. They come from before blacks even knew there when white men to complain about.
Anonymous No.24646930
>>24645595
nope
Anonymous No.24646947
my diary, but i'm high yella so maybe that doesn't count. i write about bugs
Anonymous No.24647275 >>24647310
>>24646836
Go to the ghetto nigga
Anonymous No.24647276 >>24647314
>>24645328 (OP)
Percival Everett wrote books across different genres. They feature black people but the themes are rarely if ever about colonialism or racism. One of his most famous books, Erasure, is actually a criticism about black authors always writing about that crap because it sells
Anonymous No.24647310 >>24647685
>>24647275
i grew up there, nigga. plenty of abstract thinking from myself and any other black person i knew.
Anonymous No.24647314
>>24647276
I should write a book called Fuck. Would be better than the rest of the shit in barnes and noble
Anonymous No.24647393
Chester Himes wrote some great comedic buddy detective novels. It’s like a mix of boondocks and pulp fiction.

>Straighten up!

>Sound off!
Anonymous No.24647685 >>24648698
>>24647310
I am racist and I support this nigga. Plenty of insights to be taken from hip-hop. In fact "the abstract" is one of the name they give to "that thing". The cypher, the zone, the funk, etc. Some names are widely used, some are specific to some groups ("the abstract" comes from A tribe called quest)

Let's celebrate these insights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X4uZqxcwSU
Anonymous No.24647822
>>24645328 (OP)
>He hasn't read When The Side Nigga Catch Feelings
sage No.24647845 >>24647850
>>24646836
There are 1.2 billion blacks, which is a useless metric since they have greater ethnic diversity than any other group: see kenyans vs american blacks (west africans). That said, if the thinking was the same or greater, you'd see a disproportionate amount of amazing black inventions and literature, but you do not. Either everyone is too stupid to appreciate them, or they don't exist
sage No.24647850
>>24647845
small note: black people are insanely talented at poetry, not just hiphop either
Anonymous No.24648698 >>24650899
>>24647685
>Plenty of insights to be taken from hip-hop
>my name is easy-e, i got bitches galore. you may have a lot of bitches, but i got much more
Anonymous No.24648997
There are plenty but they're all Brazilian or African.
Anonymous No.24649227 >>24651811 >>24651857
>>24645429
That's an excellent choice. Here's another favorite of mine.
Anonymous No.24649233 >>24649248 >>24650376
Delaney. Dhalgren is good. Solid literary sci-fi books too.
Anonymous No.24649248 >>24650376
>>24649233
Delaney writes about being gay so that’s going to be a sticking point for OP
Anonymous No.24649324 >>24649383 >>24650075 >>24651817 >>24651918 >>24652710
How are black men so deep into respect and traditional masculinity despite being the demographic most rekt by single mother syndrome? I can respect this compared to say the polar opposite that is jeet mindset that is super corporate and caste driven. You would think jeets would develop a respect mindset considering their living conditions. Black guys are the opposite of our corporate dystopia while jeet guys are the endgame of corporate dystopia. Maybe the next century is billions of jeets spreading all over the planet warring with black people.
Anonymous No.24649383
>>24649324

>Black guys are the opposite of our corporate dystopia

Contrary to your intention and in spite of yourself, this phrase is one of the most compelling and succinct arguments in favor of the "corporate dystopia" that you would scorn. Something that is the polar opposite of black guys has nothing but good to recommend it.
Anonymous No.24649953
>>24645429
BBC irony never struck me as much as dark humor did
Anonymous No.24649974 >>24650013
>>24645328 (OP)
What percentage of white men write about something other than being a white man? It's merely the principle of "write what you know".
Anonymous No.24649980
>>24645328 (OP)
society has constantly instilled into them that they are black before they're considered people. so, what do you think they would base a lot of their experiences on? esp if they lived during segregation or slavery
Anonymous No.24649988
Parable of the Sower by Octavia Butler was pretty great. It touches on race in places but it really isn’t about it
Anonymous No.24650013 >>24652751
>>24649974
Most.

I guess the protagonist is a white man in most cases if what's what you mean, but their race is not really focused on in general.
Anonymous No.24650075
>>24649324
>How are black men so deep into respect and traditional masculinity
It's a facade. A lot of them are unironically faggots
Anonymous No.24650101
>>24645595
No, he's considered Mulatto, simple as.
He'd be Vanta Black in the USA though
Anonymous No.24650340 >>24650355
>>24645328 (OP)
your answer is here >>24646868 but also there are traditions of poetry with some level (albeit usually not particularly high) of sophistication and literary artistry. in the more cosmopolitan areas you can find longer-form cohesive narratives. in some cases there is some small hint of a written tradition (see: swahili). in the backwater regions there were nonetheless professional oral poets who were recognized as displaying special skill with language, and who composed consciously artistic but narratively disjointed and metrically irregular poetry. also there are a couple longer narratives from jungle peoples.
so yes, before they were enslaved and humiliated on a racial basis they were in fact capable of writing about the normal things all societies write about in the earlier stages of development.
Anonymous No.24650355 >>24653868
>>24650340
As a black anon living in south Africa, would you guys read my book? I swear it has nothing to do with 'muh colonialism'. Im tired of racial rhetoric and 'we wuzzing' but niggas think im too much of an 'uncle tom'.
Anonymous No.24650376
>>24649233
Was just about to say this but >>24649248 is entirely correct.
Anonymous No.24650899 >>24652581
>>24648698
But sit beside the shoreline
Think about your woes
Read the rips and waves
Identify your foes
Then realise, in the sense of this existence
There's great resistance
To the minds that mix this
Yes, I've made things known, but then again I'm on the down low
It's obvious because my methods show
That I rule on three planes of reality
Universally, mystically, conceptually
Then in due time
You may find
That I'm living in the world of my design and I gave you one to grow on
sir Most Hated No.24651600 >>24653878 >>24654151
>>24645328 (OP)
White authors don't write about anything but 'whiteness' either, for the most part.

If it doesn't seem that way, then it must be because 'whiteness' is simply broader and more self-defining than the narrow weltanschauung of African American 'blackness' (which, for the most part, only exists in relation to whiteness).

Not only do good writers write what they know, but in general one can only create what is an extension of oneself. The very idea that there is a kind of 'correct and neutral universal experience' just smacks of bad Anglo philosophy. As a rule, minorities are less rooted in the place they come from; their roots are shallower; their world smaller, in the sense that it is more specific. (I speak from first-hand experience as a writer, not from prejudice).

That's the actual reason for this effect that black literature produces. So, yes, your instinct to not want to read black authors is accurate, given that you aren't interested in the fruits of that conception of 'blackness.'

I don't see why everyone has to read everything anyway; that's a very modern kind of barbarism. For instance, it's common to see women giving hate reviews to works intended for a primarily male readership, not considering that their opinion cannot be the sole arbiter of something so beyond their scope unless approached with a degree of reverence and liberality.
Anonymous No.24651778 >>24651814
This is like asking women to write about not being a woman. Or a Brazilian to write about not being a Brazilian. Of course black people write about being black because the act of writing is always about one’s own experiences of and in the world.
Anonymous No.24651800 >>24652787 >>24653264 >>24654716
>>24645328 (OP)
>be me
>hypothetically, a black writer
>go to my day job
>client calls me a nigger
>boss says I have to laugh it off because he's our biggest client
>lunchtime
>boss asks if I'm going to KFC later
>relax, it's just a joke
>sit in my car and look at my phone while I eat my tuna salad sandwich
>watch a video of a black kid getting the shit beat out of him by a cop
>watch a video of a cop blowing a black kid's head off
>watch a video of a cop slamming a black kid's face into the pavement for no reason
>mom calls, she's still in the projects
>been trying to get her out but boss won't give me overtime
>all white city council won't allocate more funding to the projects so her place is super run-down
>bad place, gangs and drugs, glad I got out
>watch a video of a sitting congressman call another congressman "ghetto"
>lunch ends
>finish work, get pulled over
>cop thinks I stole the car
>keep my hands frozen on the wheel because what if he shoots me
>after an hour he lets me go but writes me a ticket for failing to signal
>definitely signaled but whatever
>finally home
>read a lit mag for a little bit
>it's all stories about rich white people cheating on their wives
>they stub their toe and whine about how the universe is suffering
>mfw
Anonymous No.24651811
>>24645429
>>24649227
This is like those Japanese light novels with overtly long titles but for ghetto niggers
Anonymous No.24651814
>>24651778
It is not so much about what they want to write but about what they're going to be published for. It's the editors and publishers who want them to write about being black. If they write about something else their chances of publication go down by 90%. That's the way it is. The American publishing business is ghettoized in this way.
Anonymous No.24651817
>>24649324
>How are black men so deep into respect and traditional masculinity despite being the demographic most rekt by single mother syndrome?
Because if they don't act tough they'll get chewed by their peers in the ghetto is my guess
Anonymous No.24651857
>>24649227
the spiderman curtains really tie the room together
Anonymous No.24651918
>>24649324
>How are black men so deep into respect and traditional masculinity
What on earth made you think this?
Anonymous No.24652581 >>24653176
>>24650899
I like big butts and I cannot lie
You other brothers can't deny
That when a girl walks in with a itty-bitty waist
And a round thing in your face, you get sprung!
Anonymous No.24652710
>>24649324
In what world do you live?
Anonymous No.24652751 >>24652760
>>24650013
bullshit. most classics are old enough and realistic enough that being a white male (or female) is a critical detail that affects what kind of story it is at a fundamental level. a black guy going into the heart of darkness is not remotely the same story, crime and punishment where raskolnikov is black would be a totally different experience, austen from the guys' perspective is a different set of novels etc.
Anonymous No.24652760 >>24652766 >>24652768
>>24652751
Most classics took place in homogeneous societies where race wasn't focused on since there weren't people of other races around to begin with.

You are so disingenuous.
Anonymous No.24652766
>>24652760
You read that in a book somewhere, I bet
Anonymous No.24652768 >>24652783
>>24652760
no i'm not? do you understand how the laws of reality work? you just explained why what i just said is correct. the whitness is a necessary component of the story because the story doesn't make sense if they aren't white, precisely because they lived in a time and place where it would have been unusual or they would have occupied a completely different social position as a non-white person. any story where race is a required assumption is 'about' being that race because being a different race would make it a different story, 'about' being that other race in the same setting.
Anonymous No.24652783
>>24652768
What an obnoxious point to try to make.
Anonymous No.24652787 >>24653264
>>24651800
>be you
>hypothetically, a black writer
>go to your day job
>client Moses calls you a nigger
>boss says you have to laugh it off because he's your biggest client
>attack Moses
>lunchtime
>boss asks if you're going to KFC later
>"relax, it's just a joke"
>sit in a car and look at your phone while you eat your bucket of KFC
>watch a video of a black man being arrested by a police officer
>watch a video of a cop blowing a black shooter's head off
>watch a video of a cop slamming a black man's face into the pavement for good reason
>mom calls, still whoring in the projects
>been trying to get her out, but white man won't give me more money
>all white city council won't pick up after the filthy niggers so her place is run down
>Niggers, glad you got out
>watch a video of a sitting congressman call a nigger "ghetto"
>lunch ends
>drive away, get pulled over
>cop knows you stole the car
>keep your hands frozen on your belt
>after 10 minutes he arrests you
>takes you to jail
>finally home
>read quran for a little bit
>it's all stories about a rich white man cheating on his wives
>creates religion so he can enslave niggers
>join said religion
>yfw
Anonymous No.24652829
Bad : the autobiography of James Carr. 238 p. ; 23 cm. First published in 1975 by Herman Graf Associates.

A banger 10/10
Anonymous No.24652859 >>24652863 >>24652942
>>24645328 (OP)
I don’t mean to self promote but I’m a black guy and the first work I plan on releasing is a poetry collection inspired by Thomas Macaulay’s “Lays of Ancient Rome”, but about early American history for the 250th anniversary of US independence.
Anonymous No.24652863 >>24653000
>>24652859
Give me a title anon and I’ll support you. This is random but who are some your favorite poets?

>t.fellow black anon
Anonymous No.24652942 >>24653000 >>24653958
>>24652859
Post some of your poetry anon. We are very supportive of black writers here.
Anonymous No.24653000 >>24653246 >>24653888 >>24654945
>>24652863
For English my favorite poets are Blake, Kipling and Wordsworth. Latin has to be Catullus.

>>24652942
It’s still in the rough draft but this is from what I’m working on. It’s called “Washington at the Delaware”

Then out spoke bold Washington:
“Tonight, we make our stand,
For even in our darkest night,
Freedom won’t leave our land,
And if tonight shall be our last,
What nobler way to die,
Than fighting for our liberty,
Beneath this Christmas Sky,

And for our new found nation,
To which we’ll give our life,
And for all of our kith and kin,
May they know not our strife,
And for our noble forefathers,
Who came unto this shore,
And for our blessed progeny,
Who shall sing of our lore?

Gather up the boats, my men,
We’ll sail this Christmas night,
For if we cross the Delaware,
The foe shall run in fright,
In yonder path lies our foe,
Further still we’ll be free,
Now who will bear frigid ice,
And cross the tide with me?

Then out spoke General Ewing,
Of Key stone birth was he,
“At Trenton’s ferry I shall go,
To cross the tide with thee.”
Then out spoke brave Cadwalader,
Of Jersey blood was he,
“To Bordentown my men shall go,
To cross the tide with thee.”

“Go forth Washington,” said Congress,
“And lead our people well.”
And from whence his courage came,
Only our God can tell.
For valor was no low skill,
Not in peace or in war,
For all men longed for virtue,
In the brave days of yore.

Then there was no man above,
And no one was below,
Then man helped his fellow man,
To fight against the foe,
Then men fought and died for freedom,
For life and limb and more:
For our folk were a noble breed,
In the brave days of yore.

Now man spites his fellow man,
Now the high hates the low,
Now the courage is forgot,
From times so long ago.
For when the sands of time shift,
Virtue becomes a chore:
Scarcely are deeds done as they were,
In the brave days of yore.
Anonymous No.24653176
>>24652581
>ass

Face facts, ill hooks always lace tracks
Make traps that collapse on a fake act
Great raps trace back to the safe crack
Anonymous No.24653241
>>24645429
read a segment of this on amazon and it's kind of fun
Anonymous No.24653246
>>24653000
Bruh this shit is lit fr
U killin it baby
Anonymous No.24653264
>>24651800
>>24652787
I love this board
Anonymous No.24653868
>>24650355
You should try publish it instead man
Anonymous No.24653878
>>24651600
Hmm, thank you for your view
Anonymous No.24653888
>>24653000
I love a good ballad. And this is a great one, man.
Anonymous No.24653958
>>24652942
>We are very supportive of black writers here
???
Anonymous No.24654151
>>24651600
Nuanced and thoughful post, thank you for your insight
Anonymous No.24654228 >>24657280
English is a white language. Anything written in English will have whitehood as the standard, and blackhood is necessarily variant. Hence literature with white folks isn't about being white, literature with black folks is about being black.
Anonymous No.24654565 >>24656250
Have you guys read The Dance of the Lizard's Tale? I heard it was really good.
Anonymous No.24654716
>>24651800
> stub their toe and whine about how the universe is suffering
It’s true effete libshits writing their woes is deliriously boring, however having come to this realization it’s on you if you choose to indulge in their tripe. It’s like complaining about woman writers while staying abreast only of the latest hog hag homily.

If only you could entice more of your fellow blacks to care about being literate at all perhaps you’d have something to read more to your taste that isn’t When The Side Nigga Catch Feelings.
Anonymous No.24654925
>>24645429

Thanks, going to read this out loud to the missus in Jive for fun
Anonymous No.24654945
>>24653000
I like it. If you let me know, when it's published, I'll buy a copy.
Anonymous No.24656250 >>24657959
>>24654565
have you read it ?
Anonymous No.24656369
>>24645341
Intelligence isn't uniform in a group. We're talking about writers, not retards who post shit on twitter. Those who treat IQ like a horoscope are probably equally as retarded as the people they see with disdain.
Anonymous No.24656373
>>24645551
Bloom thought he was even better than Borges (and he was right).
Anonymous No.24656385
>>24645688
He’s a jew (non-white) who doesn’t write about being jewish
Anonymous No.24657280
>>24654228
This is either bait or the self report of a retard. Christ Almighty.
Anonymous No.24657294
>>24645328 (OP)
*crickets*
Anonymous No.24657939 >>24657969
>>24645328 (OP)
That's ironically one of the reasons why racism will always exist and blacks will never assimilate into white society.

They are victims of circumstance. Just think about it, the few highly intellectual people out of all black society and they are still shackeled by the discourse of "racial inequality". They born in it, live and breath it, there is nothing for them to do except contribute to it, ironically continuing the exact perpetual cycle that they trapped in, inspiring their unfortunate subhuman brethren to radicalize their positions even more base of authority of their "culturally represented authors".
Anonymous No.24657959 >>24658158
>>24656250
Not yet. I will put it on my reading list if I can find it.
Anonymous No.24657969
>>24657939
In the future, the races will eventually disappear in the West. Or at least whites will become a tiny minority and nobody will be speaking of "white society" as a dominant society that anybody has to assimilate into.
Anonymous No.24658158
>>24657959
it's on amazon, and i reduced the price, i'll produce a print version if i can get 10 orders from anons, my email is in the first page