Thread 24646454

>no BOTNS thread
Just started my second readthrough, what do I think of it?

I need to reread it again myself, OP.

Is Jonas supposed to be korean or am I tripping

I'm designing an alzabo for a game.
Is there any wiki for BOTNS that's even vaguely worth a damn? Trying to find every definite physical descriptor for the things.

>>24646454 (OP)
Did you read the five books?

>>24646881
Isn't half the point of BOTNS that the physical descriptions of a lot of the weird stuff is lacking? Because Severian doesn't describe it since he assumes anyone reading the account knows what they look like. It's one of the reasons it works so well as literature and is basically unfilmable, the ambiguity about what exactly Severian is talking about in certain scenes.

>>24646890
Yeah I HATE that trend of putting "logical visual explanations" to the ambiguous descriptions in the book. Like those stupid radar dishes, that's not what I "saw" when reading the book, I imagined baroque sculptures like sun dials and deities, or whatever inside a cathedral type of majestic place. Not a fucking radar. Radars are not inside of buildings.

>>24646884
I just got done with Urth and restarted the series
Back in the first book and Ultan just said that the library has books that have crossed the threshold of creation from the previous universe to the next and I actually lost my mind

>>24646916
I love how Ultan is just Borges. I love Wolfe for that, just sticking his literary hero into his story.

>>24646918
Wolfe is a genius

>>24646919
He actually inspired me, in turn. I love BOTNS and Wolfe and it was through Wolfe that I discovered Borges, and thus I love Borges too. Now that I'm writing a big sci-fi story of my own, I was actually inspired directly by Wolfe to write my own Borges tribute, with a character based on him and references to his work showing up in one of the installments of my larger story.

I got filtered by the part on the ship, am I just a brainlet?

>>24647190
What part on the ship? Almost the whole last book happens on the ship

>>24647252
Particularly the beginning, the journey through it and the weird conflict on it

>>24647257
Through out the books is established that the one who brings the new sun will bring the end of urth as well. So it is clear that there will be factions with opposing interests in regards to Severian's "mission". That was enough for me to understand that, some wanted him dead, other's were neutral, and others tried to fool him into thinking that he wasn't who he thought he was, etc. But he finally manages to reach Yesod alive for the "trial".
What happens after is the really weird stuff.

>>24646881
Best resource I found is the GURPS setting book.

>>24646986
lol as if ur writing or publishing anything u delusional faggot. u reek of reddit

>>24647509
ur mom is reddit

>>24646867
All human ultratech shit is Korean in origin.

If you could experience BotNS in any media other than movie/show, what would it be?

>>24647966
I'd prefer experiencing it as sex.

>>24647966
Radio show

>>24647509
>>24647686
you're both extremely homosexual

>>24646454 (OP)
Is this Star Wars?

>>24646867
Jonas is a robot with Slope wetware attachments.

>>24646454 (OP)
I NEED sex with Jolenta

>>24649377
Most importantly, did Jonas have the hots for Jolenta because he could see all the wires in her with his robo-vision and assumed she was also a robot?

>>24646454 (OP)
I just started read through number 2 after doing the whole solar cycle and it blew my mind that the disturbance caused by Silk and his inhummi dream-transport slave on the ships in the docks shows up in the first quarter or so of Shadow of the Torturer

>>24648119
No. More like a mix of Dune, Blade Runner and Krull.

>>24649413
She like it rough, if you know what I'm saying.. She don't want no mamma's boi

>>24646916
The divine years framework went over my head entirely the first time.
It also explains how the BoTNS itself crossed over into our reality. My personal theory is that as the universe is created and destroyed in each divine year it improves little by little through the hierograms and humans going back and forth as one another’s reproductive sperm and ovum, building a perfect instrument and instance into which the increate (Christ) can be born

>>24647778
Based hyperwar afficionado

>>24646454 (OP)
that looks like a black swan in top middle panel

>>24647966
Video game. I wanna be the Torturer, Severian is just like me

I only read the shadow of the torturer and I thought it declined heavily when he leaves the guild, but I liked the ending. Will I enjoy the rest?

>>24646890
It's only unfilmable if you are not a rapist.

>>24649429
Nice conjecture, and pretty funny if true.

>>24646884
Is it really recommended to read Urth before re-reading the series?

>>24650704
No. Wolfe himself saw Urth as superfluous. His publisher wrangled him into writing it.

>>24649458
go on. i don't recall that connection.

>>24649467
it's an interesting take of the "problem of evil". in this story, the heiros actively participate in these obstacles for humanity to experience the maximum moral development needed to improve. like evil is the necessary substrate for this. it's really genius.

>>24646454 (OP)
alright fine, ill start reading this today, wish me luck.

>>24649467
That is a good theory, I'm surprised it isn't more common.

>>24651117
The first book gets pretty funky in the second half. Just stick with it and roll with the weirdness and unexplained stuff because it all usually has a clearer explanation as time goes on. The first book is definitely the most filtering of the four I think.

>>24650704
YES. Don't listen to this guy >>24650725 He's trolling you. Reading the fifth book will be essential. It's the conclusion of the story. Many think of it as their favorite book on the series.

>>24651154
>Reading the fifth book will be essential
Only if you didn't get the first four books.
But you don't have to take my word for it. As I said, Wolfe literally didn't want to write Urth.

>>24651154
>Many think of it as their favorite book on the series.
extremely doubtful; although little bits of it are some of my favorite moments in the series, all of them being in the second half of it.

>>24646890
OK nerd I drew one anyway. I liked Barlowe's interpretation with the eyes below the mouth and the claws higher up on the feet, but couldn't recall if those characteristics came from a description in the book or no.

>>24652215
guys are cringey sometimes with their white knighting but seem wholesome enough. it really comes down to their criticisms of severian whether you can handle them; the rest of their coverage seems ok from what i've heard.

>finish 4th book and decide to take a break to read some slop before 5th book
>eh am I ready to get back into this?
>5th book is immediately weird and crazy
>ok yea, I missed this

I'm about half way done with it. Did anyone else feel like sev talking about why he treats women how he does was GW coping with some criticisms?

>>24652382
perhaps. didn't leguin imply he was a misogynist like 50 years ago? lmao.

>>24652491
fuck her envious bitch. That satanic witch just attacked him for being a Christian man. Why didn't her called out Hemingway, or Harlan Ellison, or Tolkien or anyone else?

>>24652582
she saw his genius and incredible range. even before shadow of the torturer, reading his short stories and 5th head. the man is a fucking juggernaut writer. i think it was specifically about jolenta in the house of absolute which is such a midwit reddit take of the situation.