Thread 24650760

If God is considered a timeless, unchanging being, how can such a being interact with a universe that is constantly changing and evolving?

>>24650760 (OP)
>If God is considered a timeless, unchanging being, how can such a being interact with a universe that is constantly changing and evolving?

This traditional view, held by theologians like Augustine and Thomas Aquinas, asserts that God is truly outside of time (atemporal). From God's perspective, all of our past, present, and future exists as a single, eternal "now." In this model, God's actions are not a series of events over time, but a single, timeless act of creation and sustenance that accounts for all temporal events.

umm because he just does ok? le infinite potential of unchangingness or algo

>>24650794
You're arguing that all human acts are predetermined. There is only one possible future, namely the one created by God.
This reduces God to a cosmic autist playing with action figures.

>>24650800
This. Fedora tippers that ask these kind of questions are dumber than theists. Do you really think people that believe in God will answer your midwitted philosophical question in a logical manner? Gtfo here, retard.

>>24650809
>presups think God is the grounding of logic
>isn't logical himself

>>24650760 (OP)
It just does, ok?

>>24650760 (OP)
The code for minecraft doesn't change when you interact with it.

>>24650760 (OP)
You are basically pointing out the interaction problem with substance dualism, the solution is to not be some christcuck dualist and be a monist pagan instead.

he´s just that good

How much deep thought has been expended over the millennia of human existence on this phantom God and the way his magic works on our distinctly non-magical universe?

>>24650807
God allows sentient creatures free will, and allows them to act independently; purely because the present version of you hasn't decided for sure what you're going to do tomorrow, doesn't mean the future version of you hasn't already eaten what you'll decide to eat tomorrow morning. Nor does the fact that, if you traveled to the future, the future version of you has already eaten it mean that you don't have the choice (although there is the paradox where if you know the future you might try to change it, but that's nonsense for us at the moment as we presently move at a constant rate along a single axis of time). Nor does God knowing what you'll do in the future take away from the fact you choose to do it.

Jeet thread

>how can god
God got a superpower that lets him to anything

>>24650760 (OP)
Read Kant's Chapter on the Schematism

>>24650890
why not be a christcuck monist?

>>24652497
I think it doesn't make sense with thr trinity and the bibke narrative. from what I notice is that Christian monists often end up being heretics.

>>24650760 (OP)
>If God is considered a timeless, unchanging being, how can such a being interact with a universe that is constantly changing and evolving?
Your postulate that the universe is constantly changing and evolving is undemonstrated.

>>24650760 (OP)
Because you're the ones who are still catching up.

>>24653040
Indeed. The evidence of its changing is nested solely in agents which must be still in part to reference the change to begin with.

>>24650760 (OP)
The answer your looking for is Mormonism

>>24652305
The "will" to follow a predestined path is not free at all. You choices are illusory.
You only think you can make choices because you're ignorant of your future state. In fact you must, of necessity, make the choices that result in that state.
Under an omnipotent God there is no possibility of free will. Everything happens according to his plan.

>>24653289
Looks like he's about to do a magic trick. Is there a bunch of flowers up that sleeve?

>>24650809
>God doesn't spoonfeed me everything I want to know, he even dares to leave ineffable mystery.
>Guess I better burn in hell for eternity, cause my finite mind is "wiser" than his infinite wisdom.

>>24650760 (OP)
I would say that neoplatonism had a satisfaying answer: there must means so that the material can be related to what precedes it. Namely the soul, which differs from the intelligible in that it is determined by time, so that it serves as a mean (Damascius calls it a mix between the intelligible and the sensible, so that it is the universal mean between all of being). So God (the first principle) interacts with everything through means, because otherwise it would lower itself by having a relation with the inferior.

>>24650760 (OP)
It's funny that you have a picture of Plato, OP. In a platonic register, we might rephrase the question as how does the changing universe resemble the eternal forms? The answer, according to the Timaeus, is that; "time is the moving image of eternity." The concept of methexis, or participation, is also key.

By progressively revealing and confirming his presence and existence

Is it constantly evolving and changing though? Things more often fall back and repeat themselves, they cycle. There are many timeless places on Earth. Time is an invention of the agrarian and the metropolis. On a cosmic scale, our 'evolving' civilisations would go unnoticed, another immobile star.