Thread 24651241

I don't know whether this thread belongs here but what curriculum would you have followed to homeschool your kids?

>>24651241 (OP)
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>>24651241 (OP)
3pdirectory.com has a section on that
but it is down right now

>>24651241 (OP)
Plato, Horace, Torah — — — nuff said

>>24651241 (OP)
Start wirh the Greeks. Add in theon of Smyrna.

>>24651241 (OP)
there is a book called the weLL-trained mind that is a good start

I was the first second generation-/s
Kidding.
I went to online highschool.
They provided laptop and the curriculum which was more like a request:
Please finish this test with a good grade by end of the week.

>Ah fuck it, if this is where shit is going why don't I just study stuff I like?!

>>24651241 (OP)
I’ve been thinking about this because I was absolutely crushed by being unchallenged in school. Classic scenario, just feel like I’m wasting time, breeze through assignments having written them hours before they’re due. Never developing any real skill for time management or deep research beyond what I fancied to read. Ultimately a loss for society and my own career.

There has to be a better way than the churn of regular schooling. Homeschooling as a topic basically revolves around nutcases though. Religious dogmatics or sovereign citizen type crap. Even rich kids in private schools don’t seem to get a personalized challenge, it’s more about rubber stamping them to be fit for whatever nepo job they will be handed later.

On the one hand you have the societal demand for reaching whatever standardized scoring that enables you to re-integrate into university (if desired) or at least show full competence for jobs. On the other there’s the nebulous goal of making better citizens through education - these are often in direct conflict. But then there’s tuning learning to a specific kid and it seems everyone just gives up long before having that debate (unless the kid in question is some form of tard, then you get the no child left behind crap).

I’m leaning towards having to do a hostile takeover of a region and school. Likeminded people having institutional control and supplanting the bullshit regimes while retaining the ability to use the official government stamp on students. At which point we’re already in private schooling territory.
Maybe it’s that the people who care and would benefit are just too dispersed to make a good political force or organization.

>>24652063
>I’m leaning towards having to do a hostile takeover of a region and school. Likeminded people having institutional control and supplanting the bullshit regimes
Careful not to lean too much or you’ll tip over from your chair. Fatass.

>homeschool
nah Montessori, kids need social problems along with math problems

>>24651241 (OP)
Have GPT-5 develop a curriculum, come up with texts, etc

>>24652183
Why is the public school system the right enviornment to teach kids social problems rather than the dozens of other ways it could be handled? It is the classic Plato's cave situation.

>I learned navigating social situations by being put in a public school zoo, so that means it is right for everyone else as well. Who cares how they handled it before the public school system came around.

I teach at a very small private school. About a third of our students are children who were homeschooled for a while until their parents realized that they weren't up to the task.

A major part of our job is just trying to undo the damage that parents did by trying to 'start with the classics' or 'let kids find their own interests' instead of providing challenges and guidance appropriate for the students actual abilities at present.

In brief, I would not homeschool my kids. I also would not want to send them to public school. Private school, Montessori, or a good charter school are the best options. The latter is generally the best, but it's heavily dependent on having one in your area.

The one benefit of homeschooling is being able to tailor the curriculum to the student, which I can't do without knowing something of the actual child.

>>24652612
not to mention school systems abhor any kind of masculine (ie open, potentially violent) conflict resolution and end up teaching boys to assert themselves socially like girls, ie via gossip, scheming and snitching

If anything the public school system probably results in more socially maladjusted and scarred weirdos who failed to live up to the arbitrary whims of moronic 15 year olds. Fuck anyone who defends it.

teach them how to teach themselves

>>24652643
this, public school especially grades 6-12 are trauma gauntlets

>>24652643
The "homeschool weirdo" thing is bullshit propaganda espoused to take away parental rights so they can correctly indoctrinate your kids

>>24652720
It has a grain of truth to it, as I was homeschooled, but I was isolated. It's incredibly important to include homeschool groups and extracurricular activities. If a mom was stay at home in this situation it would be a perfect way of implementing the best environment for a proper education. There are many curriculums out there, and you don't need a teaching degree for it, but I would always recommend understanding some pedagogy and psychological theories surrounding teacher like what we learn in university. t. student teacher

>>24652732
There's always going to be bad parents raising fucked up kids regardless of their schooling. For every poorly socialzed, isolated homeschool kid there's many more cases of kids in public schools getting severely bullied, rampant crime in shitty schools, violence, drug use etc

>>24652612
this. I went to public school but some kids in my boy scout troop were homeschooled. it seemed like they did at least 1 "after school" activity every day with non-homeschooled kids (sports, boy scouts, church groups) and parents often taught them in groups, like a school with tiny classes where your parents choose your classmates. I didn't keep in touch with them after high school but when I knew them they didn't seem weird or reclusive at all.

>>24652063
>I’m leaning towards having to do a hostile takeover of a region and school.
Lean all you like you're too much of a pussy to actually do anything

>>24651293
glows

>>24652732
>piaget.jpg
>I would always recommend understanding some pedagogy and psychological theories
It's nowhere near complete, but in my long and lonesome process of designing a comprehensive curriculum I've found Piaget and various later Piagetians very useful, particularly for early education
I found this
>Assessing cognitive levels in classrooms (ACLIC) : Final report (1985)
https://archive.org/details/assessingcogniti00marc
distinctly valuable
As an aside, it's also been my experience in this sojourn that materials newer than the 1980s exhibit an appalling decline in quality/focus/signal-to-noise ratio
If you know of any meaningfully unique modern developments, I'd love a pointer to some specifics

>>24651273
/trash/ is recess

>>24652063
Interesting perspective... I went to one of the first charter (high) schools in my state 25+ years ago now, and it was very challenging. The Tier 1 university I went to for undergrad (in the teens or higher in most national rankings fwiw) was very (honestly, remarkably) easy in comparison. Part of that was being able to choose classes that interested me in university, but part was also the very high standards my nascent high school had.

Don't know that there's really a good solution or fix (to the extent that one is even required), given that a good academic education is really a good unto itself, and any external justifications for academia (the job competency you mention) invariably fall flat and besides the point.

>>24652918
spies are here

how far this place has fallen
>just use GPT
>memeshit, complaining, and non-answers
anyone have anything useful to say?

>>24653904
>useful
who are you replying to?
clik the long number before typing
and it will put that at the top of your post
>see?

>>24652776
>For every poorly socialzed, isolated homeschool kid there's many more cases of kids in public schools getting severely bullied, rampant crime in shitty schools, violence, drug use etc
There are two easy solutions to this. You can either
1. Not be poor
2. Not be American

Meanwhile successfully homeschooling your child demands you to meet a certain amount of non-trivial requirements.
To start, at least one of the parents is required to be sufficiently knowledgeable of pedagogy and the basic fields of study the child is supposed to go through. You can't help a child learn mathematics or geography if you don't master those subjects yourself, and just dumping a bunch of classical literature won't make the kid magically smart. At least for the first 12 or 13 years, you should be expected to be around all day to help your child with their studies, keep them company and watch over them. And that's being very generous and assuming your 14 year old is already going to be a disciplined, responsible and diligent teenager who can keep himself from leaving the house to fuck around or just watch porn all day instead of studying. If neither of the parents have the skill or the availability to teach, you'll have to hire tutors. Good ones. Most middle class families can't realistically accomplish that.
But school isn't just for reading textbooks. You'll need to make sure all the rest of your child's needs are met. Their social needs, to start. They still need friends, they still need people to talk to and they still need to learn how to behave around others, how to work in teams, how to lead and how to do other basic things most children learn in school. Failing to do so will turn your child into a socially inept freak or make them resentful at you for not letting them live normal childhoods like everyone else. They also need to do sports so that's one other thing you'll have to spend money with.
Once they finally turn 18, one would expect your homegrown prodigy should go to university. And a good one. That's the logical pathway to most respectable careers, after all. They'll have to adapt to a new environment, a new lifestyle, a new way of studying and new standards for performance. I hope you have that all figured out too.

Whether you're married to an exceptionally intelligent and emotionally capable woman who is willing to stay home all day to tutor your child or you two have just that much money to hire a few elite tutors to assist your child in their education, it's also likely true that you can afford a good school where all of the difficulties listed above can be avoided and your child will have a normal childhood like everyone else. So why not do it?

>>24652612
The fuck does that have to do with the cave allegory

>>24654047
The people in the cave see the shadows as reality because that is all they have seen.

Similarly, a public/private school system is merely a construct we have created to try and most effectively prepare children for life. And public/private school is such a big part of a person's life and introduced at such a young age, that people now treat it as some immutable truth of reality that is as necessary to the world as gravity. When you criticize aspects of the modern school system and how it may not be as well suited for a populace in 2025 as it was in 1950, or how there were issues to it even in the beginning, they cling to the socialization argument. This not only faulters under close inspection, but I think reveals how desperately married people are to the permanent existence of the school system. They deny that their is a world outside the cave we could pursue, and accepts that shadows are the fundamental nature of reality. This is the same way people cling to the school system as some invariable nature of life and how pursuing alternatives is some monstrous denial of reality, even if that is not actually proven with science.

>>24654341
Further, the analogy doesn't work 1:1, because the cave people don't see the outside world while people today could see alternatives to the school system. My point is that the concept is so institutionalized and people are so irrationally married to the school system, that their refusal to look at other ways amounts to a constructive blindness to the alternatives, which is close enough to the blindness the cave people have for the outside world.

>>24654039
Every study done shows homeschoolers out perform other students in standardized testing as well as college GPA and graduation rate. Their life outcomes are better in every metric, so where is this concern coming from?

>>24654359
The cave allegory was never about some mundane refutation of social conventions though so it’s very much not a “classic example”. Not trying to be pedantic but this is a thread about education on an autism website after all.

>>24654393
I looked that up and found very little outside of sources linked to pro-homeschooling lobbying. To make things worse, most sources unrelated to said groups were just commentaries attempting to debunk or criticise said studies. As the latter group points out, the studies have very flawed sampling and comparative metodologies to begin with. The most comprehensive review of the subject I could find through Google Scholar does not support your claim, and does in fact point out a few interesting things, such as:
>One problem that remains with the UK research, as Jennens (2011) noted, is that the great majority of it is conducted primarily by homeschool advocates. Webb (2011) criticized UK studies of homeschooler academic achievement (e.g., Rothermel, 1999, 2002, 2004) as suffering from the same sample flaws of self-selection and uncontrolled testing conditions as the HSLDA-funded U.S. studies. Much of the most recent UK literature continues this activist spirit, finding, for example, very good results from within the unschooling community and very positive socialization experiences (de Carvalho & Skipper, 2019; Pattison, 2016; Thomas & Pattison, 2013).
>Yet homeschoolers are often urged by their fellow practitioners and movement leaders to avoid participating in research studies (Kaseman & Kaseman, 2010; Stevenson, 2009; Webb, 2011), unless the study is sponsored by homeschool advocacy groups themselves (Ray & Smith, 2008).

>>24654488
I forgot to add the link to the study. My apologies.
https://icher.org/files/Kunzman_and_Gaither_An%20Updated_Comprehensive_Survey.pdf

>>24654491
NTA
>An important caveat to both of these findings, that homeschooling has little effect or perhaps gives a slight boost to reading and a slight diminution to math achievement, comes from studies of children at the extremes. At the high end, Yusof (2015) identified a subset of informally-educated, high-achieving homeschoolers who enjoyed and were very good at math. Wilkens, Wade, Sonnert, and Sadler (2015), likewise, using data from the 2009-2010 Factors Influencing College Success in Mathematics survey (N=10,492 representing 134 institutions), found that homeschooled students outperformed their demographic peers in Calculus I as first-year students
Frankly, the non-gifted and the below-average are not populations we're concerned with at all
Gifted students would quite clearly benefit from aristocratic tutoring, and there is overwhelming historical evidence for this

>>24654488
Even if there were studies proving homeschooled children are disadvantaged in some way, which there isn't, it doesn't change my view at all which comes from a parental rights standpoint that you should be able to educate your own children as you see fit

>>24654467
>so it’s very much not a “classic example”
I agree with that and that I overstated it, although I stand by the metaphor.

>>24654488
I'd imagine a lot of "homeschoolers" in the UK are an ever increasing contingent of muslims who don't believe in educating their daughters and there is a large sect in your government who want to arrest parents for teaching their children "incorrectly" so I'll take whatever you have to say regarding homeschooling and parental rights with a grain of salt

I believe that reading particular books is less important than instilling a taste for reading as such. I remember what I read as a child and it was mediocre, with few or no classics, but I learned to love reading, and that made the real difference. Any parent without home-schooling can put aside distractions such as telephone/television/videogames and encourage children to read. After a certain age, they can move on to the classics or, at the very least, I would ensure that problematic works are avoided. The only addition I would make is the earliest possible teaching of foreign languages, and why not even Latin. Montaigne's father took care to make Latin his son's mother tongue and, in his own words, it was a blessing and a cornerstone of his education.

>>24651241 (OP)
We toyed with the idea of homeschooling cuz the local public schools are especially shitty, but as the kids get older we're realizing that it's gonna be a lot of work and we don't really have the time for it. Gonna try private school I guess, there are some good ones around here.

Just an aside, I don't know how people can "homeschool" their kids and they end up being 5 and not knowing all the letters or something like that. What are you even doing all day? Our 2 year old already knows most of them and we didn't even try to teach her that shit

Homeschooling is such a funny concept to me. On the one hand, right wingers correctly identify that poor education is going to fuck their kid down the road. Their solution to this is to guarantee that no University will ever accept them?

Oh you have “diploma” from your mom and dad? Kek

>>24654776
>what are ap exams
esl filtered again

>>24654776
Yeah they definitely do correctly identify that poor education and learning environment will fuck their kids over, which is exactly why they opt to homeschool, especially if they're stuck in a poor neighborhood, instead of sending them to shit hole public schools that operate like a prison full of the absolute dregs of society

>>24654795
>stuck in a poor neighborhood
>no good private schools around
>thinking about having kids
Why would you even waste your time?

>>24654776
Any university couldn't care less where your grades and diploma are from unless you went to some elite private school. You go to a state evaluater, take the SAT and ACT and have extra curricular activity and sports, which you have way more time to excel at if homeschooling.

>>24654766
>Our 2 year old already knows most of them and we didn't even try to teach her that shit
You haven’t even taught her the whole alphabet? You’re terrible parents. By the time I was 2 and a half I already knew how to read independently.

>>24654803
And look where you are now

>>24654822
kek

So how about that curriculum

>>24651241 (OP)
Depends on the kid. Both my parents worked full time but homeschooled me because they could just leave me with a text book, work book, or video lesson, and I'd use it to teach myself, and when my mom got home she would correct what I got wrong.

>>24654776
Universities are businesses. They want your money. They just don't want you to be a liability.
In most countries, demonstrating proficiency that you can actually complete a degree is all that's needed to gain admission, even at high end universities.

It's this peculiar American thing to have ultra exclusive institutions where applicants need to be in the 99th academic percentile with three fashionable extra curriculars just to have a chance.

>24654776
>reacts based on derision
>tribal mocking
>totally ignorant of how system actually works (ACT SAT etc)
Life was better when you guys just watched sports and stayed out of adult conversations.

I was fortunate to go to a small affordable IQ-gated gifted school back in the day, but nowadays specialty schools seem more about pedagogical method or tuition-gating. If my kid winds up being wicked smaht I legitimately don't know what to do.
I have considered homeschooling him, if I can find a good group locally, but that is a crapshoot I'm guessing.
I don't trust public schools, given their average product, and my experience with parochial school was it attracted the cuntiest parents and children, albeit they were considerably more capable than your average pubbie.

The only homeschooled kid I knew as an adult was highly bright and somewhat aspy. He was socially awkward but likely due to other factors. Still got along well with peers. Was an absolute beast in production metrics, high quality output.