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Anonymous No.24655294 >>24655395 >>24655436 >>24655562 >>24661489 >>24662354 >>24665909 >>24665962 >>24669243 >>24670460
Book of Mormon studies
Should I get the Oxford edition? I saw posted on here that The Book of Mormon is considered unreadable; what is the best way to get into this classic text/sacred volume?
Anonymous No.24655297 >>24655300 >>24655315 >>24656305 >>24656541 >>24662759
If you get this version it explains the whole origin thingy
Anonymous No.24655300 >>24655892 >>24659361
>>24655297
>The Book of Mormon isA frican bible
Nice.
Anonymous No.24655304 >>24655883
Are you on /his/?
>>>/his/17937805
Anonymous No.24655311 >>24655604 >>24661674 >>24662759
This thesis has yet to be refuted
Anonymous No.24655315
>>24655297
>Timbuktu
>Chad
>Beta Israel: Where the Book of Mormon took place
Anonymous No.24655333 >>24655371 >>24655510 >>24661491 >>24670126
Are these the real buried classic here?
Anonymous No.24655371 >>24655398 >>24655448
>>24655333
What translation of the Qur'an do you recomend?
Anonymous No.24655395 >>24655410 >>24661668 >>24665909
>>24655294 (OP)
>Oxford edition
Is that the same as this one?
Anonymous No.24655398 >>24656060
>>24655371
Koran is separate from the Book of Mormon
Anonymous No.24655403 >>24667193
We just had this thread
Anonymous No.24655410 >>24661668
>>24655395
>black sheep
Metal.
Anonymous No.24655412 >>24655980 >>24664969
Anonymous No.24655433 >>24655876 >>24655978
>Great American Novel
>should be underrated at its time
>should be critically re-evaluated and endure from that
Anonymous No.24655436 >>24655484 >>24666020
>>24655294 (OP)
>classic
https://www.amazon.com/Book-Mormon-Penguin-Classics/dp/0143105531?sr=8-1
Anonymous No.24655448
>>24655371
>>24655283
Anonymous No.24655465 >>24655471 >>24666020
>Another BoM Astroturfing thrhead
ISHYGDDT
Anonymous No.24655471 >>24655476 >>24655554 >>24655935 >>24656204
>>24655465
Anonymous No.24655476 >>24655479
>>24655471
>Book of Mormon
It's not real
Anonymous No.24655479
>>24655476
>
It is.
Anonymous No.24655484
>>24655436
>by joseph Smith: Author and Proprietor
Anonymous No.24655497
>performing miracles on /lit/
ISHYGDT
Anonymous No.24655510
>>24655333
It's available in Doctrine and Covenants.
Anonymous No.24655554 >>24655863 >>24655926
>>24655471
like
Anonymous No.24655562 >>24655634 >>24655660 >>24655776 >>24655874 >>24655978
>>24655294 (OP)
Get the Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith and read all of it, and read at least the first of the Lectures on Faith. Neither is LDS canon but both are very illuminating. Then read the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, Pearl of Great Price. BoM is most interesting when it is explaining doctrine or taking a philosophical stance. But D&C and PoG are more condensed doctrine and philosophy, and so they (plus LoF and TPJS) are where you go for the deep stuff. In Paul's terms, the BoM is the milk. The meat is everything else. For more, you may want to research into the LDS revelations which haven't been added to the D&C yet. These are mainly revelations to Joseph Smith and John Taylor, plus a few to Wilford Woodruff. They're very interesting doctrinally. Lastly, supplement your study of the scriptures with the LDS edition of their scriptures with the footnotes (very good cross-referencing), and use resources like Biblical interlinears, Biblical commentaries, alternative Biblical translations, Strong's Concordance, and what theologians and secular historians both say about the Bible. For the rest of the LDS scriptures you can also research commentaries. Also not a bad idea to research into the ante-Nicene Church Fathers, there's surprising parallels with Mormon theology there. You can often find a lot of interesting Mormon speculation and research done on online spaces like the FAIR wiki and various Mormon blogosphere sites, in case you don't have access to commentaries in print. Sites like biblehub have integrated access to Strong's, multiple historical commentaries, interlinears, and alternative translations. Use everything you can find and master Mormon theology.
Anonymous No.24655580
>BoM is milk
BoM is a Geode you have to crack to get to the gems
Anonymous No.24655604
>>24655311
>off topic spam
MOOOOOOOODS
Anonymous No.24655615 >>24655617 >>24655887 >>24656177
Getting it now just for the meme:
Anonymous No.24655617 >>24655763 >>24656177
>>24655615
That's not a good enough reason to buy a book
Anonymous No.24655634
>>24655562
>Lectures
Was that by Joseph Smith or a scribe?
>Teachings
KF should be canon, at least the part where he says he is receiving words direct from God
Anonymous No.24655660 >>24656874
>>24655562
>the BoM is the milk The meat is everything else
Book of Mormon is everything
Anonymous No.24655670
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHXLMleC8HI
Anonymous No.24655763
>>24655617
no fun allowed: meme police
Anonymous No.24655776 >>24655780 >>24656874
>>24655562
I have mine right here. It has the King Follet discourse, and the letter from Liberty Jail that was abridged for D&C 121, 122, and 123. Both are essential.

I am curious about what of Joseph Smith hasn't been canonized. Is there a resource that contains them all?
Anonymous No.24655780
>>24655776
I want that for my bookshelf.
Anonymous No.24655788 >>24655915
Get a load of this loser >>24655777
Anonymous No.24655852
this is good discourse ITT. I hope we can continue.
Anonymous No.24655863
>>24655554
Get that Satan spam out of here.
Anonymous No.24655874 >>24656874
>>24655562
>AI slop
didnt read
Anonymous No.24655876
>>24655433
To what extent is this true?
Anonymous No.24655878
>99% filler
Let me guess. The 1% is gold?
Anonymous No.24655883
>>24655304
Unfortunately /his/ had a lot harder time receiving this I am glad /lit/ is so open.
Anonymous No.24655887
>>24655615
Joelden plates
Anonymous No.24655892
>>24655300
>Africa
could it be?
Anonymous No.24655893 >>24655902 >>24670804
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HldyUz5FR_M
Thread theme:
Anonymous No.24655902
>>24655893

What the hell is that?
Anonymous No.24655915 >>24655923 >>24656084
>>24655788
FUCK OFFFF.
Anonymous No.24655923
>>24655915
no.
Anonymous No.24655926
>>24655554
>tares of satan
More like
Anonymous No.24655935 >>24655960
>>24655471
?????
St.t Augustine reference?
Anonymous No.24655960
>>24655935
It's sod.
Anonymous No.24655969 >>24655977
/lit/ should be a Mormon board
Anonymous No.24655977
>>24655969
/pol/ should be.
Anonymous No.24655978 >>24656874
>>24655562
>>24655433
Can I have an explanation that isn't just babble?
Anonymous No.24655980 >>24658578 >>24658578 >>24658578 >>24658578
>>24655412
>$80
IS there a less expensive option?
Anonymous No.24656032 >>24656056 >>24656073
Someone keeps leaving copies in the "Free Library" near me and I keep taking them. I have three now. What should I do with them?
Book of Mormon anon No.24656056
>>24656032
My porch is not a free library satan
Book of Mormon anon No.24656060
>>24655398
Is it?
Book of Mormon anon No.24656073
>>24656032
You can just read the same book through again—You don't need a new one just to read the same material.
Book of Mormon anon No.24656084
>>24655915
Not going to happen.
Anonymous No.24656177 >>24656179
>>24655617
>>24655615
>buy
You guys know that the book is not only free but it will also be delivered for free to your house almost immediatly by two caucasic twinks, don't you?
Anonymous No.24656179
>>24656177
>caustic
There is no need to be so crude.
Anonymous No.24656181 >>24656183 >>24656186 >>24656188 >>24656387
You are, without a shadow of a doubt, the single worst missionary I have ever seen. No concept, no nuance, no guile, no skill in eloquence or humour. You are doing your faith a legitimate disservice by 'championing' it.
Anonymous No.24656183
>>24656181
>no skill
1v1 ?
CAPTAIN No.24656186 >>24663096
>>24656181
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfVbscfwMgk
Anonymous No.24656188
>>24656181
Only winners, not losers, is who I appeal to. I accept your concession.
Anonymous No.24656204
>>24655471
Qué?
Anonymous No.24656305 >>24656361
>>24655297
Mormon
poster
isthatyou?
Anonymous No.24656361
>>24656305
Yes.
Book of Mormon anon No.24656379
Anonymous No.24656387 >>24656395
>>24656181
>No concept, no nuance, no guile, no skill in eloquence or humour
Guile? Literally the worst trait for any kind of missionary to have
Anonymous No.24656395 >>24656400 >>24656725
>>24656387
Missionary work is psychic rape. Don't be naive. You are the unwilling puppet of the psychological virus you call a faith.

It uses you to replicate itself in others. Like lichen, like nationhood, like all tribes. Your only hope is find those with weak immune systems. I know your secret. I know your heart is empty.
Anonymous No.24656400
>>24656395
You lose access to God when you condemn all who work in his name, and not only those evil-doers
Anonymous No.24656541
>>24655297 (OP)
Extremely based and redpilled. Well done, OP.
hawaiian pidgin bible No.24656618 >>24665988
ENTER

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%201&version=HWP
Anonymous No.24656670
Mormonism is just recoded Freemasonry.
Anonymous No.24656720
Mormonism is just American Islam.
Anonymous No.24656725
>>24656395
it's actually just imperialism

>we will help starving and suffering people
>go to an area where nobody is starving
>meddle around and ruin efforts already made by plenty of orgs
>spread american interests where they're not wanted then go back to utah and yap about how you helped the poors
Anonymous No.24656738
William Miller's predictions from Daniel line up exact enough with Joseph Smith.
Anonymous No.24656874 >>24657857 >>24657934 >>24657958
>>24655874
How is what I wrote AI slop? Are you anons so AI-brainrotted you can't tell AI apart from effortposts? Why do I even bother with this site.
>>24655978
Not with that attitude. If that's babble for you, no explanation I can give will be less babble to you. You're on your own.
>>24655776
STPJS is great, has cross-reference footnotes, really makes reading TPJS even more informed.
>I am curious about what of Joseph Smith hasn't been canonized. Is there a resource that contains them all?
Kind of? The entire Joseph Smith Papers project (many, many volumes) has basically everything he wrote and other things of historical significance related to him. You can use their website to find some revelations not in the D&C, but it won't have easy to read formatting. There's this Fundamentalist Mormon who collected a lot of the unpublished revelations in a book called "Unpublished Revelations, Vol. 1" that I saw sold at the BYU bookstore (!). The revelations included are also in the JSP volumes that came later, so this guy was legit the whole time. It includes other revelations (and sermons of Collier's picking) from Brigham Young up to Wilford Woodruff pre-1890 Manifesto. But he also has these long asides where he speculates about banker Jews and Masons running the world, I'm not a fan of that (although I know 4chan's usual anons will love that /x/-tier stuff...whatever). Plus he's heterodox (Fundamentalist). So the collection has a conspiratorial/heretical bent. But the revelations themselves are accurate. There's probably other collections of the unpublished revelations, but you would need to search. Good luck anon.
>>24655660
There's some really sublime stuff under the surface. It's milk for the initiate for sure though. The meat under the surface comes through after reading the other LDS stuff. I think more people should study Alma 32 and Ether 4 in close detail. But see, that makes most sense after reading TPJS and D&C and the New Testament really really closely.
Anonymous No.24657857 >>24658267 >>24659217
>>24656874
Opinion on Ethiopian origin theory?
Anonymous No.24657934 >>24658267
>>24656874
Is it Joseph Smith's Uncanonized Revelations Edited By Stephen O. Smoot and Brian C. Passantino?
Anonymous No.24657958 >>24657960
>>24656874
>How is what I wrote AI slop?
it's basically a snarl word at this point
on this board it's pretty exceptionally obvious when things are AI and it's almost certainly way rarer than it is on other boards (ie /pol) or websites like r*ddit
Anonymous No.24657960
>>24657958
I use it to show respect to effortposts
Anonymous No.24657988 >>24658267
>>24656883
>It's really impressive how coincidentally Fichtean, how Feuerbachian, how Kierkegaardian, Joseph Smith is, when you look deep into him. Very Emersonian, though they were contemporaries. Some of Joseph Smith's Emersonian work was written before Emerson's main work by a few years though.
American national ethic was just being born onto the world
Anonymous No.24658267 >>24658539
>>24657934
I have the Fred Collier book, he's the fundamentalist.
>>24657857
I don't think the Book of Mormon took place in Ethiopia myself, but it's creative to think it did. I can see how one can make it fit.
>>24657988
I posted the post you're quoting in the other thread.
Anonymous No.24658539
>>24658267
>I don't think the Book of Mormon took place in Ethiopia myself
Anonymous No.24658551 >>24658555
Mormonism is satanic
/thread
Anonymous No.24658555 >>24658849 >>24661474 >>24662341
>>24658551
>Catholic garbeldygook
Your post is false.
Anonymous No.24658578
>>24655980
>>24655980
>>24655980
>>24655980
Holy Get
Anonymous No.24658849
>>24658555
checked
Anonymous No.24659217 >>24659279
>>24657857
Gibberish. Book of Mormon clearly happened in Antarctica and was written by Nazi Time Travelling Aliens. Everyone knows niggers cant read
Anonymous No.24659279 >>24659300
>>24659217
Except the Nephites did not become black like the Lamanites did by mixing with the natives.
Anonymous No.24659300 >>24659304
>>24659279
they became black because they were cursed by God
Anonymous No.24659304
>>24659300
>curse
It was more a curse to be set out into the gentile race nearby and confounded from their moral brethren, it isn't a specific condemnation of black people.
Anonymous No.24659361 >>24661146 >>24661266
>>24655300
These are the same poster.
Anonymous No.24661146 >>24661679
>>24659361
?
Anonymous No.24661266 >>24661679 >>24665283
>>24659361
No those are real people.
Anonymous No.24661474 >>24662755
>>24658555
Catholicism is true.
Anonymous No.24661489 >>24661491 >>24661499 >>24661537
>>24655294 (OP)
Is this of literary merit like the Bible and Quran or is it fanfic tier
Anonymous No.24661491
>>24661489
>Quran
more like
>>24655333
Anonymous No.24661499
>>24661489
>literary merit
How can something false be any good? And if it is not the word of God it is false.
Anonymous No.24661537 >>24661545 >>24662363
>>24661489
It's horrible. All the best turns of phrase are copy-and-pasted from the KJV. Whenever Joseph Smith was rambling from his own stream-of-conscience it becomes unbearably repetitive.

The most glaring absence from the Book of Mormon is any variety in genre. Within the true canon of Sacred Scripture, there is a pleasant variety of genre from history to devotional prayers to prophecy. The Book of Mormon does not have a Job. It doesn't have a Romans. It doesn't have an Exodus. It doesn't have the gravity of the Psalms or the pessimism of Ecclesiastes. When Jesus shows up, he (lowercase because Joseph Smith's version doesn't deserve respect) just repeats everything He truly said on earth.

The drama and angst of Israel waiting for a Messiah? Gone. In the Book of Mormon, everyone knows Jesus is coming. They call themselves Christian before he even comes. The tone of the Book of Mormon equivalent of the Old Testament is more like St. Paul in English than anything remotely Old Testament. Of course, the true tone of books written throughout many centuries in North/South America B.C. would be very alien compared to the Old Testament texts.

The only explanation for otherwise intelligent people remaining Mormon is that they have a mental block on analyzing the Book of Mormon seriously. It is so clearly fraudulent that it makes the Gnostic Gospels appear inspired.
Anonymous No.24661545
>>24661537
>All the best
I wish you well as good, but I think you should totally read the book all the way through before casting judgment like you have some authority on the matter. It is especially useful as a standard text for learning a language (when the Holy Ghost opens that up to you) because you can just read it aloud for 300 pages and nothing is too essential to worry about missing because Jesus doesn't give his discourse until Nephi (originally not called 3 Nephi).
Anonymous No.24661668 >>24662178
>>24655395
>>24655410
??
Anonymous No.24661674
>>24655311
Signal boost to share awareness
Anonymous No.24661679
>>24661266
>>24661146
It is.
Anonymous No.24662178 >>24665904
>>24661668
youtube.com/watch?v=6cwVjgWy3gc
Anonymous No.24662341 >>24662469 >>24662759
>>24658555
The Holy Ghost himself confirms with these digits. Call your local missionaries and accept their invites to go to church on Sunday. The truth has been witnessed in this thread.
Anonymous No.24662354 >>24665964
>>24655294 (OP)
Just steal one from your hotel.
Anonymous No.24662363
>>24661537
Lmao you haven’t read the Book of Mormon. The Nephite authors were aware of the existence of the Pentateuch and didn’t include any analogs for that reason. Their writings were intentionally aimed at being novel and spiritual, and even then you have genre distinctions like prophesying, psalm-esque, and historical accounts.
Anonymous No.24662469
>>24662341
Bwaha! The Hiby Jiby doth declare unto you my rigteous plebians that I the Lord doth earneth submission via my check'ems
Anonymous No.24662477 >>24662752 >>24664287 >>24664611 >>24665225
Mormon Kryptonite:
>Greek psalter
>Salamander letter
>CES letter
>SEC release 96951
>Swedish Rescue
>blood tokens
>oath of vengeance
>second anointing
>Jupiter talisman
>"dare to be a Mormon" / "a victory for Satan"
>new names/temple names are given based on the day of the year
>Kolob
>early patriarchal blessings
>Book of Abraham "translations" (so bad the official story had to change twice)
>Gospel Topics essays
>Adam-God theory
>Sun dwellers
>Joseph's destroying angel
>court statements of Smith's plural wives
Anonymous No.24662752
>>24662477
"Krypton" is a planet in Superman
"Kolob" is a planet in Mormonism
The Book of Abraham is unfinished (translation) and does indeed require accomplishment via an actual irl prophet to be justified.
Anonymous No.24662755
>>24661474
So is the Book of Abraham
Anonymous No.24662759 >>24665838
>>24662341
Confirm that you know the Book of Mormon is true?>>24655311
>>24655297
Anonymous No.24663096
>>24656186
lel
Anonymous No.24664287 >>24664638
>>24662477
>CES letter
r/exmormon core
Anonymous No.24664611
>>24662477
>didn't happen—guy had common sense not to fall for an obvious fraud "le mystery book" somehow in print?
>doesn't disprove original movement
>but it's from Africa
>doesn't disprove original movement
>irrelevant
>Freemasonry
>reasonable
>who cares
>?
>who cares
>a fair point but not "Kryptonite"
>a word
>I don't see a problem
>"official story" is obfuscation via hand of man God allows like the book being from Africa
>Gospel Topics on Abraham refutes criticisms against Abraham scribe work vs. sacred scripture translation
>God breathed his spirit of life into Adam and also Holy Ghost
>idk; this doesn't refute the base claims of the scriptures
>angels on behalf of God do ensure the word of God is kept
>Joseph Smith only had children by one wife
Anonymous No.24664638 >>24664974
>>24664287
>Testimony of the Three Witnesses
>Testimony of the Eight Witnesses
>Testimony of Joseph Smith
>Testimony of the CES letter
Anonymous No.24664969
>>24655412
>Still stuck here on this planet earth
>20th century + 1
GDI
Anonymous No.24664974
>>24664638
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/js-m/1?lang=eng
Anonymous No.24665225
>>24662477
>CES Letter
With how many times I have heard this letter thrown around with regard to members leaving the church, I thought it would be some rock-solid anti-Mormon literature. I read it last night because of your post and was immensely disappointed. In my estimation the entire work to basically boils down to two core arguments, being archeological/historical evidence and “If Mormon church good, then why bad?”

To combat the first point, archeology has fought a losing battle against Mormonism since the beginning, assuming the Americas are the setting for the Book of Mormon. First archeological deboonks were based on the claims that the hebrews never recorded on metal plates, and that Egyptian hieroglyphs had never been transliterated. Both of these claims were later shown to be false with new discoveries. Mind, these claims are not the only two that have outpaced archaeological scrutiny, just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Secondly, whoever wrote the CES letter has laughably a poor understanding of Mormonism. Multiple CES arguments are iterations of “How come if X was supposed to be a prophet he did/didn’t do Y?” Mormonism does not believe in leadership infallibility. Brigham Young’s headcanon does not mean the church is not led by God. Joseph Smith having connections to masonry and esotericism does not mean he wasn’t a prophet. Another poignant example of this is the account of Heber C Kimball being asked to wed his daughter to Joseph Smith. The letter mentions that Kimball went without food or water for three days, seeking a confirmation from the Lord. The author then turns around and asks why Kimball was so troubled as to turn away from food. To the untrained eye that might be a valid question, but to anyone who has ever been familiar with Mormonism, we call that fasting. Mormons often refrain from food or water and turn to God to seek answers to tough spiritual questions like “Can I trust the guy who is asking me to give him my daughter”, but the author knows so little about the process that he/she mistakes fasting for starving due to emotional turmoil.

I could go on, but I think I’ve rambled enough for one post. Thanks for listening.
Anonymous No.24665283
>>24661266
People like you should use a tripcode.
Anonymous No.24665816
>>24654626
>It's a giant turd
Same goes for.
Anonymous No.24665831 >>24665903
Mormons, among other spiritual degenerates, will be executed in the coming war.
Anonymous No.24665838
>>24662759
Aye
Anonymous No.24665903
>>24665831
>If the people let us alone, we will preach the gospel in peace. But if they come on us to molest us, we will establish our religion with the sword. We will trample down our enemies and make it one gore of blood…from the Rocky Mountains to the Atlantic Ocean. I will be to this generation a 2nd Muhammad, whose motto in treating for peace was: The Al-Qur’an or the sword. So shall it be with us — Joseph Smith or the sword!
Anonymous No.24665904
>>24662178
Schizo song.
Anonymous No.24665909
>>24655294 (OP)
This one? It's probably based, but it probably also says the Book of Mormon is from America.

>>24655395
I don't know about that.
Anonymous No.24665962
>>24655294 (OP)
>unreadable
Yep. That's why the good stuff is hidden in it.
Anonymous No.24665964
>>24662354
It's free.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/bofm-title?lang=eng
Anonymous No.24665988
>>24656618
see
>>24665005

>>24665011

>>24665640
Anonymous No.24666020
>>24655436
>penguin

>>24655465
It's not astroturfing if its true
Anonymous No.24667177 >>24668551
From the classic thread -> What makes this good?
Anonymous No.24667193
>>24655403
link??
Anonymous No.24668551 >>24670126
>>24667177
It is the word of God.

He inspired it. He let it be sealed for so many generations as it took for the world to grow to be ready for its realities.
Anonymous No.24669243 >>24670126
>>24655294 (OP)
Mormonism is just islam for whyte pipo
Anonymous No.24670126
>>24669243
That's why >>24655333 is like the Qur'an.

>>24668551
>sealed
Sort of like how the Qur'an is sealed behind a veil of unbelief (surah 2)
Anonymous No.24670460 >>24670514
>>24655294 (OP)
so, this is what you atheists are trying now to fool people?
Anonymous No.24670514
>>24670460
I would say, if we were pretending, we would be disingenuous, and refutable.
Anonymous No.24670536 >>24670594
haiii!! just wanted to say that mormonism is the work of satan ;3
Anonymous No.24670594
>>24670536
Repent
Anonymous No.24670804
>>24655893
Unironic cancer.