Thread 24659044

>critically acclaimed, nobel prize winner, one of the earliest advocates of gay rights, once regarded as one of France's most important and talented writers of the 20th century
>completely forgotten
Any other authors that went through something similar to this?

wouldnt say he's completely forgotten the counterfeiters was assigned reading in a college class. he didnt read so well in translation

If a French writer is "forgotten" just assume he's still widely read in France (such is the case with Gide)

>Gide engaged in child rape—having sex with boys who were not of the age of consent. As a self-professed pederast, he used his writing to explore his struggle to be fully oneself, including owning one's sexual nature, without betraying one's values.
Why are all French artists and philosophers like this?

>>24659074
>Why are all French artists and philosophers like this?
You mean why are all Jews and homosexuals like this

>>24659081
Come on Pierre, lets not be coy here.

>>24659087
You're free to name a pedophilic straight and non-Jewish French author. I can name you hundreds that weren't

>>24659074
Why boys? Isnt that kinda gay?

>>24659081
>>24659095
>JOO
>IT DA JOOOOOS
>JOO JOO JOO
Go back to your containment board
>inb4 UR A JOO UR A JOO

>>24659098
you retarded?

>>24659099
Lay off the estrogen, it's making you antsy

>>24659081
That guy literally wasn't Jewish you coping retard. And everyone knows all your 20th century philosophers were into children

>>24659110
Reading comprehension is not your forte. Also I forgot Sartre wasn't Jewish he was just a marxist cuckold, so I'm naming one myself.
As for the philosophers in question, I invite to you google you absolute buffoon

>>24659125
>I invite you to*

>>24659105
>oh yeah? oh yeah? well... well... you're a tranny!
Obsessed

>>24659125
>Beauvoir
>Foucault
>Deleuze
>Guattari
>Barthes
Just to name a few

>>24659147
I meant Jews and/or homosexuals. Everybody here is either gay or bisexual.

>>24659168
>They're not French if they're gay

>>24659074
>Gide's journal documents his behavior in the company of Oscar Wilde:
>Wilde took a key out of his pocket and showed me into a tiny apartment of two rooms...The youths followed him, each of them wrapped in a burnous that hid his face. Then the guide left us and Wilde sent me into the further room with little Mohammed and shut himself up in the other with the [other boy]. Every time since then that I have sought after pleasure, it is the memory of that night I have pursued...My joy was unbounded, and I cannot imagine it greater, even if love had been added. How should there have been any question of love? How should I have allowed desire to dispose of my heart? No scruple clouded my pleasure and no remorse followed it. But what name then am I to give the rapture I felt as I clasped in my naked arms that perfect little body, so wild, so ardent, so sombrely lascivious? For a long time after Mohammed had left me, I remained in a state of passionate jubilation, and though I had already achieved pleasure five times with him, I renewed my ecstasy again and again, and when I got back to my room in the hotel, I prolonged its echoes until morning.

>>24659198
The point was that things like these only come from gays (and Jews... and I'd add marxists too for good measure). Please open a book and learn to read.
Name me three straight (non-Jewish) French authors. Heck, even one if you can.
I can name you plenty of post-war authors who weren't.

>>24659069
Baudelaire, Rimbaud, Satre and Camus, among others, are still read outside of the francosphere. Others like Verlaine aren't, but they are still popular in France.

>>24659215
Amelie Nothomb
Margerite Yourcenar
Charles Baudelaire

>>24659224
No I meant pedophiles... That's my fault for not making it clear but you should've understood it through context, especially with the last sentence. I give up anyways, this pointless. Just imagine a giant list of non-pedophilic straight French authors that completely overshadows the seven or so somewhat relevant authors who were pedophiles and that I am too lazy to dress up.
Also Amelie Nothomb technically isn't French.

I guess it can't be helped.

God willing France will turn into the Catholic version of Iran

>>24661009
>Catholic
lol
lmao even

>>24659044 (OP)
Georges Bernard Show is the ultimate pick at least for an English language writer.
He was treated as a demigod through his life. Even his opponents (esthetical or political) had to write 80% oratory precautions before criticizing him for the remaining 20% of their pamphlets.
Today he's nothing, both due to his now (rightfully) trashed style and the fact he systematically took the chudmax options in controversies of the time, even beyond the posterior realignments (he mixed being pro-eugenics, pro-soviet, pro-communism, pro-censorship, pro-racism, pro-war, pro-fascist, anti-Christian, anti-Jewish, anti-bourgeois, anti-plebeian, etc).

>>24659044 (OP)
Gide is great. Read Les Faux-monnayeurs, L'Immoraliste, Paludes, Corydon, Les Caves du Vatican, Le Voyage d'Urien, Le Prométhée mal enchainé, Les Nourritures terrestres, La Porte étroite, Voyage au Congo, Le Retour du Tchad, etc. etc.

>>24659147
you're proving his point
all of the authors you mention are widely (and more) read outside of France and have been imported into the English-speaking academies.
you're just a disingenuous retard is all i'm observing

>>24661009
That won't happen until they restore the monarchy. That's the root of all this trouble, the Revolution. That's why the French are so perverted and demented, it won't be fixed until there is once again a king on the French throne.

>>24661362
Too bad every heir is groomed from an early age to be pro-globohomo

>>24661367
Well, obviously, the destruction it will take to clear the West enough for virtue and justice to be reasserted will be... significant.

>>24661337
His original point was that all Jews and homosexuals are like that, which was certainly not proven. Obviously we're speaking hyperbole, but I was pointing out how there seems to be an overrepresentation of chomos or sympathizers in France's pool of notable artists and philosophers. The people I listed are all French and are among its most widely known artists and philosophers. Many of them were homosexual as well, most of them were not Jewish. So no, I was not literally proving his point. Thanks for butting in though retard.

>>24661422
>let me tell you about french literary culture
>here's a list of french authors purposefully selected and embraced in the english literary culture
kill yourself retard

>>24661429
Cope all you want, won't change the excess of celebrated chomos produced by the country especially in the 20th century. Not to mention Sade, Bataille, Baudelaire, etc. successfully lionizing their perversions

>>24659044 (OP)
Possibly Rudyard Kipling.

>>24659212
Is this fucking real? wtf? im surprised people dont talk about this shit as often with how iften people love to mention lovecraft and kant are racists, or every male intellectual was misogynist

>>24661987
The gay pedophiles get a pass because everyone finds it too embarrassing to quote their niche "profound" stuff afterwards. Same thing with Oscar Wilde, who is ironically included there, people like to forget he fucked young boys and antagonized a powerful nobleman while pulling his son into the same shit. They then act surprised that same guy ruined his life over it.

>>24661995
Also, the elites want to legalize and normalize both homosexuality and pedophilia, so those particular abominations don't receive the same opprobrium as racism, which is a cardinal sin in the modern world.

>>24661068
He exposed himself by living too long. If he died like 1930 (at age 74 still!) I think he would be less infamous for his opinions, but unfortunately he lived into the age of mass media and couldn’t keep his opinions to himself. I’m sure there were plenty of Anglo-Irish eccentrics out there especially of his generation, but their opinions were not recorded for posterity like his and he obviously was more artist than intellectual and never really thought things through. At least he has the legacy of Pygmalion which will last, there are far far more obscure British playwrights than he. Generally plays because of their ephemeral nature almost never age well. We remember Shakespeare ironically because his plays have aged so not well they feel like they come from a different world than ours so are worthy of some study

>>24659081
>>24661995
>>24662003
Half of the collaborators and conservative intellectuals of the Vichy era were pederasts. Henry de Montherlant, Roger Peyrefitte, Robert Brasillach, etc.

>>24662434
>there are far far more obscure British playwrights
Obviously, there are writers we only know indirectly with no surviving work. The difference is that GBS was regarded as the greatest writer in English by many in his life (above the bard btw). It isn't merely the popular best seller dying down after a decade since he was considered high literature.
Had /lit/ or equivalent been around a hundred years ago there would be daily GBS threads.
>Pygmalion
True that's the only thing from him with some sort of presence, and even then indirect. It is not represented or read anymore, most people that might know the plot would only know it through My Fair Lady, the Hollywood movie based on a musical show based on Pygmalion.

>>24661422
>His original point was that all Jews and homosexuals are like that
God, he was right, you really don't have reading comprehension. That absolutely wasn't what he said. His point, correct or not, was that pederastic behavior appears only among persons who are Jewish and/or homosexual, i.e. you cannot find a straight Gentile subject to these perversions.

I happen to think he's wrong because tons of weebs are lolicons, but it's not like his claim itself is insanely complex.

>>24661367
Sad. Just look at the absolute state of monarchs in Benelux or Scandinavia and others. The current head of the Habsburg is a EU shill divorcee. Old lines are completely joever.

Carlyle is definitely up there in this regard.

I also feel like most authors of those big and boldly bourgeois roman fleuves from the early 20th century were forgotten pretty thoroughly too despite their former renown. Think Galsworthy, Roger Martin du Gard, and Romain Rolland.

>>24662712
To be fair, the French royal line was already maximally joever with Louis XV. That's the big precipitating cause of the Revolution in the first place, the rise of a bunch of faineants. Louis XIV sucked out all the vitality given to his bloodline by Henry IV.

(Also, a bunch of those Benelux/Scandi monarchies aren't old bloodlines in the first place, they're various kinds of Napoleonfags IIRC.)

>>24659044 (OP)
Anatole France, very similar situation a generation earlier.

>>24659099
this is what the high verbal IQ manipulation experts have been reduced to, kek, we will live interesting times

>>24662700
>Obviously we're speaking hyperbole

Also shoutouts to Sinclair Lewis and Upton Sinclair.

>>24662734
I always get these guys mixed up

>>24662739
Upton Sinclair is the meat industry guy, Sinclair Lewis is the It Can't Happen Here guy.

>>24662743
Shit I thought they were the same.

>>24662716
>Carlyle is definitely up there in this regard.
didn't Carlyle rehabilitate Oliver Cromwell? maybe we need somebody to rehabilitate Carlyle...

>>24662712
>>24662720
the european people unironically liked the aristocracy and looked up to them for a solution to modernity, but the aristocracy decided instead to merge with the capitalist class, now there is no meaningful distinction

>>24661415
>>24662528
>During the filming of his novel Les Amitiés particulières, Roger Peyrefitte visited the set and began a controversial relationship with 12-year-old extra Alain-Philippe Malagnac, later chronicled in his memoirs. At the age of 16, Malagnac became Peyrefitte's personal secretary and as a young man was adopted by Peyrefitte.
How did he do it, anons?

>>24662716
>Carlyle occupied a central position in Victorian culture, being considered the "undoubted head of English letters"[2][3] and a "secular prophet". Posthumously, a series of publications by his friend James Anthony Froude damaged Carlyle's reputation, provoking controversy about his personal life and his marriage to Jane Welsh Carlyle in particular. His reputation further declined in the aftermaths of the First World War and the Second World War, when his philosophy was seen as a precursor of both Prussianism and fascism.
Damn.

>>24662528
Many such cases.

>>24662434
>We remember Shakespeare ironically because his plays have aged so not well they feel like they come from a different world than ours so are worthy of some study
Are you retarded?
Tragic love, to name few of the themes he wrote about, is one of humanity's longest common denominators, just behind war.

>>24661068
I read John Bull’s Other Island recently and it’s…not even wrong. He’s obviously intelligent but seems to have no clue about the reality of Irish nationalism, sectarianism, unionism, British attitudes to Ireland, Irish history. I suppose an equally ignorant theatre goer in 1904 London might have found it clever and funny, but reading it now, after everything that has happened since, it’s about as insightful as a Tintin comic. And he doesn’t seem to have even understood why Yeats and Synge rejected it.
>>24662723
The Gods will have Blood was great
>>24662716
Antony Powell as well. You always see lots of his books in charity shops, never getting sold, as all the people who bought them in the 60s and 70s are dying

>>24662806
>Posthumously, a series of publications by his friend James Anthony Froude damaged Carlyle's reputation, provoking controversy about his personal life and his marriage to Jane Welsh Carlyle in particular.
what are the juicy details?

>>24662804
where have I seen this image before...

>>24662947
I think it was that he was an asshole to his wife even by victorian standards.

>>24663285
lol