Thread 24665160

What did I think of it?

>>24665160 (OP)
you thought it was a good book

>>24665160 (OP)
The Jewish people are cursed

>>24665192
>>The Jewish people are cursed

tell that to the empires of Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome, Byzantines, third Reich and Islamist, whatever else you want to say, not many cultures still around from 4,000 years ago, Zorastorians and Hindus maybe.

>>24665271
lol

>>24665271
this has to be bait

>>24665280
>this has to be bait

Refute one thing? The Jews outlasted all those empires and are one of the oldest continuous cultures.

Not like anyone's worshiping the sacred stone of Baetyl lately

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baetyl

>>24665160 (OP)
But for me, it was Tuesday.

>>24665297
Did you read the actual book? Because Shlomo Sand’s whole point of the book is that these Jews are descendants of CONVERTS established well after the destruction of the temple and exile.

Paul Wexler wrote two good books on the topic as well:
The Ashkenazic Jews: A Slavo-Turkic People in Search of a Jewish Identity

The Non-Jewish Origins of the Sephardic Jews

>>24665160 (OP)
The name Shlomo is just so funny

>>24665937
its like jamal or pajeet where its easy to forget that its some people literal name instead of an insult

>>24665533
Tell that to the genetic studies that refute this entire idea.
>khazar
Myth
>slav
Only minimal admixture

>>24666187
>khazar
Nothing to do with them. Just goes to show you didn't even read the book. Typical /lit/ I suppose \_(ツ)_/

>>24666198
Whatever I said still counts for turkic people in general. Also, telling that you didn’t engage with the >slavic part. I guess you also don’t read.

actually looks like a good book

>>24666201
>Also, telling that you didn’t engage with the >slavic part
LOL Wexler wrote a whole book on it. Which you would never even bother to read, again typical /lit/.

I'm just laughing that people still carry on with the Khazar meme kek. It's futile to engage in discussions with people like you. Read the actual books you claim to know, dilettante.

if u want a primary source about medieval khazars read ibn fadlun

>>24666216
>they're turkic
no, they're not

>they're slavic
no, they're not

Source: the genetics studies showing continuity with bronze age Canaan. Unless you think that's refutable, don't engage with my posts anymore.

>>24666233
ok but why do so many hasidic guys have blue eyes if they're directly descended from ancient palestinians or whatever?

>>24666243
If that's your argument then I don't understand your tantrums in every prior post. I think you misunderstand genetics. I think you misunderstand history.
Blue eyes are not exclusive to Europe.

>>24666248
ok cool post your genetics papers so i can read them then, also i only had like one other post in the thread, i don't care either way

>>24666243
>blue eyes if they're directly descended from ancient palestinians

Many Palis have blue eyes and fair skin, such as noted academic author Rashid Ismail Khalidi here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashid_Khalidi

>>24665271
>literally that one scene from the Sopranos

>>24666253
Behar et al. (2013): "No Evidence from Genome-Wide Data of a Khazar Origin for the Ashkenazi Jews"
This comprehensive study analyzed 1,774 individuals across 106 Jewish and non‑Jewish populations, including samples from Europe, the Middle East, and the Caucasus (historically associated with Khazaria). The results showed that Ashkenazi Jews share strongest genetic ancestry with other Jewish communities, as well as with European and Levantine groups—not Caucasus or Turkic populations.

>>24666262
being a descendent of ≠ continuation of people/culture. which is why the anglos tried to beat the language out of indians in boarding schools.

>>24666264
>The results showed that Ashkenazi Jews share strongest genetic ancestry with other Jewish communities, as well as with European and Levantine groups
oh, well yeah, the khazar thing always seemed like some weird one off seized on by anti-semites, tho at least it does seem the khazar ruling class converted to differentiate themselves from islamicizing bulgars. i was more saying there is admixture with european groups. the reason i was thinking about blue eyes because david reich published something not too long ago saying blue eyes were from the indigenous europeans before the indo-european expansion and admixture. i skimmed a it a while ago, so my memory of it is probably not accurate.

>>24666216
So no khazar jewish kingdom? What about the Armenian, Chinese, Russian, muslim accounts?
AFAIK most sephardic jews were converts from Spain, Mahgreb, Italy and Turkey. Same thing may apply for the askhenazi variant

>>24666278
Yeah, and the Romans are well known for having no lasting impact on any culture or language, right?

>>24666282
>by anti-semites
no?

Palestinians don't care about which Israelis are originally from Europe. They don't accept the Syrian, Egyptian or Jerusalem Jews living there either. If every Jew in Israel converted to Islam, their would be no more conflict. The intolerance of Muslims is neverending

>>24666282
Blue eyes were a more prevalent thing in the middle east before muslim arabs came and killed all diversity

>>24666314
Does a Buenos Aires Italian feel connected to their ancestors? Does the average non fascist Italian feel interest in the 4 emperors? in the same way as Jews or other groups keep that culture alive and study their pas.

Italanons speak up.

>>24666262
>brazilians are roman
bro...

>>24666319
Zionists antagonized Iranian and Iraqi jews and muslims while they were co-living during centuries happily just so those jews (who were also wealthy) went to Israel

>>24666365
holy cope

>>24666233
> the genetics studies showing continuity with bronze age Canaan
The irony of this is that Palestinians show a higher genetic percentage of this (so do the rest of the Levant peoples). What a hopeless region.

>>24666359
This is some crazy goal post moving. Who decided that culture or language = being obsessed with history? It's especially crazy considering you couldn't even type a single sentence without using a Latin word.

>>24666368
>facts
>holy cope
ok, rabbi

>>24666389
seperate issues anon, the influence an ancient culture/people have on our present (massive)
and if the descendants keep history/tradition alive and so in some way, keep that culture alive.

So no, I don't think Tony Soprano beating up a hasid in NJ is the current embodiment of Augustus.

>>24666359
>Roman law is still the root and start of legalism for Europe.
>Roman empire is still view as one of the great golden age of europe
>Renaissance and enlightenment directly pointing to Rome
>Massive empire all around
>Latin word everywhere
>An history of pogrom and forcing the jew to exile for 2000 years
Seems pretty Roman for me.

>>24666393
>>facts
considering all on muslims had to pay the Jizha tax just to be alive in islamic lands, along with periodic massacres, I'm not sure how "happy" any of that was for any minority group.

The yid horde has arrived.

>>24666412
Again, moving the goal post. Your original claim was, Rome is more cursed than the Jews. The majority of the world talking a language taken from the Romans, following a religion taken from the Romans and imitating Roman traditions and architecture and so on is the opposite of cursed. On the other hand some rabbi shitposting on 4chan about how much Jews love their history, isn't quite blessed if you ask me.

>>24666447
>whataboutism
ok, rabbi

If the Jews belong in the Middle East, how come they felt the need to adopt new names? Why isn't the current prime minister of Israel calling himself Benjamin Mileikowski? Is it not a Middle Eastern name?

>>24665160 (OP)
If you liked that, you're not ready for this.

>>24666451
>no goalposts
My point was, the jews are not cursed because they have outlived the roman empire, a once tangible reality with a people and set of beliefs that ruled a vast territory, if you are arguing through an ambiguity fallacy, the roman empire still exists in the same form because of latin, that's a different belief

>>24666510
Israel is a fake country. An artificial creation. So the people there need to larp as natives. Look up Gal Gadot's early life. Her real surname is Greenstein.

>>24666517
Did you know that Jews had Hebrew named prior to the 18th and 19th centuries? They were only pressured or coaxed into adopting European sounding names during big changes in bureaucratic management.


So yeah, you are dumb.

>>24665160 (OP)
you thought "I will read this next"

>>24666516
So your original premise was retarded because you compared the jewish people to the Roman Empire - instead of comparing the jewish empire (lol) to the Roman Empire and the jewish culture (lmao) to the Roman culture.

>>24666547
"Gadot" is something her family made up. It's not an actual surname. Jews didn't really have surnames.

>>24666563
>as opposed to REAL surnames which have not been arbitrarily taken at some point

>>24666308
>What about the Armenian, Chinese, Russian, muslim accounts?
You caught my attention. More on this please?

>AFAIK most sephardic jews were converts from Spain, Mahgreb, Italy and Turkey.
Yes this has been proven. The Sephardic Jews are descendants of Arabs/Berbers.

>>24666583
Lel no. Sefardim are Jews from Spain and trace their history to Israel as well.

>>24666589
LOL

You can find the pdf on Annas-Archive. I look forward to your thread in the next few weeks. Cheers.

As a Jew: who the fuck cares? Every fifth nobel's laureate is a Jew whether they're Khazars or Slavs or Germans or fuck knows what.

>>24666626
Which is true actually. Look at Israel’s Russian gentile population today. What’s their solution to the hundreds of thousands of Russian goyim? Mass conversion via army service. This is simply a continuation of Jewish history which is the whole basis of Shlomo Sand’s book.

>>24666598
>Wexler was born to parents of Ukrainian Jewish background[5] and raised in the United States, earned his B.A. at Yale University in 1960, his M.A. in 1962 at Columbia University, where he studied under Uriel Weinreich and George Shevelov,[6] and his Ph.D. at the same university in 1967. In the same year, while resident at the University of Washington, he wrote a pedagogical grammar of the Aymara language for Peace Corps volunteers.[7] He moved to Israel in 1969. He did his basic training in the IDF in 1974.[8]

He's not even a historian. Not a geneticist either. You're unable to prove your point and you're failing hard.
Meanwhile:
>Behar et al (the one you ignored) >>24666264

And another one just to rub it in.
>Santachiara‑Benerecetti etal. (1993) – The common, Near-Eastern origin of Ashkenazi and Sephardi Jews supported by Y‑chromosome similarity
A Y‑chromosome study comparing ~80 Sephardic and ~80 Ashkenazi Jews along with Czechoslovak controls found that Sephardi and Ashkenazi Jews are highly similar, both genetically close to Lebanese and distinct from Europeans.

>>24666598
No source more trust-worthy than the 'Yiddish is actually a slavic language' guy who can't stop peddling the khazar hypothesis like a Japanese holdout.
Who's your next source? William Potter Gale?
Also, having review the table of contents, it seems odd that this guy minimizes pre-islamic Jewish presence in Iberia as much as possible

>>24665160 (OP)
As someone who knew little of jews, this was a page turner. Read it in three days.

>>24666685
You're still here eh? LOL well here's the scoop dilettante. He's an Israeli linguist and worked with a well known geneticist Elhaik. Knows far more about the subject than you ever will.

The Middle Eastern DNA you cite is indistinguishable from Irano-Turko DNA. Nice try. I know it's hard to accept but it's ok. Reading will set you free. Cheers.

>>24665271
>not many cultures still around from 4,000 years ago
A very smart person fell for the meme lmfao

>>24666359
>Jews or other groups keep that culture alive and study their pas.

They don’t , unless if you refer to religious ones. The zionists are not connected by any means to Judaism whatsoever; they don’t even understand the rituals and teachings.

>>24666712
And my uncle works at Nintendo so I basically know every game inside out.
But since you’re not giving up, we can make this very easy: cite the sources your author used in his work, and then show me how they contradict the ones I posted. If you fail to do so, you give me no other choice but to view your claims as abandoned.

>>24666714
>>24666740
>The zionists are not connected by any means to Judaism whatsoever; they don’t even understand the rituals and teachings.

Hate to revive a dying thread about Israel but, what are some of the oldest cultures/rituals are still practiced today, if the jews have drifted too far from their origins?

>>24665160 (OP)
That book sucks dick. Read Russell Gmirkin or Philip R. Davies or Niels Lemche or even Gad Barnea instead.

>>24668062
Ironically enough, in Peru there is a Catholic ritual of Roman origins

>>24666517
israel might be the fakest and gayest but all nations are fake and gay

>>24666187
>Tell that to the genetic studies that refute this entire idea.
There are no genetic studies that prove or even claim that modern Israeli population is not extremely admixed with populations that coexisted with Jews in Europe and elsewhere. Feel free to provide a link to pubmed, I'll be waiting.

>>24668662
You made a positive claim, the onus is on you to prove it. The onus is also on you to disprove the studies that have been linked in this thread, which all point of a common trend. You can also try to engage with
>>24666820
>>24666685

Or you can act smug and add no value to the discussion.

>>24668806
no he made a negative claim, sorry, what kind of shit pitpul is this you have some learning to do.

>>24668808
>There are no genetic studies that
Ah, so he's personally read through the entire corpus of scientific literature and found a book written by a linguist the best representation. Still no engaging with the studies I've posted. Are you afraid of learning?

>>24666517
>an actress changed her name
woah how unusual, charlie sheen anyone?

>>24665160 (OP)
I know some anons will say "based" because he talks about Jews, but the book is standard globohomo tripe about how ethnicities are pure "social constructs", and also very mean therefore let's integrate muslim browns who would suddenly make 40% of the population of the state of Israel.
Its just funny to see it applied to Jews for once, but the same book could be and has been written about White goyim. Shlomo Sand is a far left Israeli agitator, basically Noel Ignatiev turning on his own.

>>24665297
Greeks and Italians are still here.
>but they are bastardized!
As are Jews.

>>24669260
Goyim are so extra cringe since 2023.

important

>>24665160 (OP)
>/lit/s antisemitic thread of the week

>>24665950
Pajeet isn’t actually a real name. It’s an intentional misspelling of Ranjeet.

>>24666319

That is ironic considering that the zionist Jews carried out antisemitic terrorist attacks against non-zionist Jews in Arab nations to force their migration to Palestine.

It is an obscene lie for you to call that illegal settlement formed by a self-admitted atheist as "Israel" as in the Israel of the holy scripture.

It is a horrible lie. The God believing Hebrews of the Scripture from which zionists have stolen holy names like Israel and Zion were ruled over by divinely appointed rulers.

You can fool world leaders into thinking that is undenianably atheist project is the Israel of the Scripture, you can even fool them into thinking it is a legitimate state, but you can't fool everyone.

You seriously think that is Israel?

A secular settlement founded by godless philosophers from Europe?

The same Israel as King David and King Solomon? Complete and utter delusion.

Then you complain that Palestinian Muslims and Christian, yes Christians which zionists have mostly ethnically cleansed by now, are "intolerant" for not tolerating a forced displacement of 750,000 people and literal genocide.

It was Christians, Christians, who led the initial resistance against the Nakba. The Christians of Bethlehem, where Christ was born. The Christ we Muslims accept.

You call that Israel? What a horrible and unholy lie. A blasphemy against the Scripture. In poverty, in oppression, the Truth is still on our side against zionism. That is why you put so much energy into censorship and murder of journalist, as you can't sustain the zionist project without lies and suppression of the truth.

As for the Torah? It is perfect. It has nothing to do with the zionist project, those people rejected God and the Torah. A great deal of God believing Hebrews by Herzl's own admission reject the zionist project. May God bless them, they reject many wordly rewards for rejecting zionism.

>>24669918

>You can fool world leaders into thinking that this undenianably atheist project is the Israel of the Scripture, you can even fool them into thinking it is a legitimate state, but you can't fool everyone.

And if you can't fool them, then bribery, threats, and blackmail. There is no moral limit for a godless person motivated to do anything for the zionist project.

Here is the demonic combination of godless immorality and unchecked desire for power. Jews of the Torah should have nothing to do with this evil.

>That is why you put so much energy into censorship and murder of journalists, as you can't sustain the zionist project without lies and suppression of the truth.

Even this defense of zionism depends on dishonest rhetoric. It overlooks decades of systemic genocide. Yet you have made dishonesty, lying, into your virtue. You can't have an actual discussion with someone who views lying as a virtue.

>By Way of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War

This motto is even a mistranslation in itself, a stark lie.

Here is the actual Scripture:

כי בתחבלות תעשה לך מלחמה ותשועה ברב יועץ

For by wise counsel thou shalt make thy war: and in multitude of counsellers there is safety.

Wise counsel, not deception. Look at how Satan has misled so many.

Communism, zionism, the cursed Talmud. You don't need these things at all.

As the Koran commands us to say to you:

You have nothing to stand on unless you stand on the Torah. The Law. The Torah is righteous, this supplementary and satanic legislation is not.

>>24669949

On tolerance, our religion says Christians and Jews are believers.

Centuries of Christians and Jews debating and condemning each other and Muslims to Hell.

Yet Islam says you Christians and Jews believe in God like us, and that there is One God, our God and your God.

Tolerance! We accept you as believers, Christians and Jews, yet you will not even accept us as human beings!

>>24669277
>Greeks and Italians are still here.
>>but they are bastardized!
>As are Jews.

C'mon anon, even if you hate the jews, you have to admit they have more in common practicing rituals and religion with their ancient ancestors than modern Athenians or Romans do with their own history

>>24669888

There are a lot of names ending with jeet. Mostly from Punjabis who form most of the immigrant class in Canada. And hence a parody of their name forms the be all term used by anti-immigration racist chuds

pithy

>>24668637
>Peru there is a Catholic ritual of Roman origins
Such as?

>>24670313
do your own research man

There isn't so much to it as would have seemed at the initial understanding before later events.

>>24670313
>Peru there is a Catholic ritual of Roman origins

Ship of Theseus moment
Anti-semites will claim this means the Romans are alive and well

>>24665271
>they touch somebody
>that person dies
how is that not a curse

>>24666278
>being a descendent of ≠ continuation of people/culture.
Modern jews don't even speak hebrew lol

>>24670647
more Jews speak/read hebrew than Greeks know koine/attic

>>24670728
yeah and many more people in Italy and outside of it speak Latin

>>24669968
I'd sooner accept Muslims than jews.

How does one invent a people?

>>24670816
sooner or later both will be asking if they accept you probably sooner

>>24669918
>That is ironic considering that the zionist Jews carried out antisemitic terrorist attacks against non-zionist Jews in Arab nations to force their migration to Palestine.
Literally no proof of this.

>>24669949
>This motto is even a mistranslation in itself, a stark lie.
Lel, you don't even speak Hebrew to make these claims. Alt+F4 (CMD+W for Mac) and never come back.

>>24671103
Ok and?

>>24670911
You take a bunch of largely irrelevant Levantines, have them conquered by Greeks who introduce them to intellectual culture, and then have the Greeks ask the Levantines to produce an ethnohistory of themselves, who then proceed to mine the Library of Alexandria for source-material, thereby inventing themselves.

>>24671456
Those Levantines have continuity with ancient Israel of 1000 years ago.

>>24671608
>ancient Israel of 1000 years ago

>>24671608
A place called Israel exists at about 1000BC. It was a small. polytheistic Semite kingdom. We only know about it because it is referenced in victory monuments/records of its conquerors. That's what the archaeology says. There were no Jews in it because they wouldn't exist for about another 500 years-- or perhaps over a thousand depending on how you look at it. DNA testing shows that Ashkenazi Jews all descend from a small group living in southern Italy in the first or second century. Biblical History at least up until the Maccabees is an historical fiction composed in Ptolemaic Alexandria, using the rules for creating an ethne in Plato's Laws, mostly with records collected in the Library by Egyptians and Greeks, and lots of imagination fueled by Greek literature which they were relatively newly literate in..

>>24671654
Monumentally wrong. I refer back to the following posts, which cause the previous posters to mysteriously lose their ability to reply.
>>24666264
>>24666685
>>24666820

>>24671654
You are also dead wrong on the religious history. You are going against scientific consensus. Please provide sources.
I give this post a 0 out of 10 for historical accuracy.

>>24671667
>SoURcE!

>>24671661
I have no interest in the Khazar stuff. Maybe there's something to it, but it sounds like Christian Identity cope to me. Yeah the small group in Italy was "Jews", I guess.

20 year old study:

https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2013/10/08/ashkenazi-jewish-women-descended-mostly-from-italian-converts-new-study-asserts/

Pic related is over 30 years old and is a common textbook in Ancient Near East studies. Thomas L. Thompson, Philip R. Davies, Niels Lemche, nowadays Russell Gmirkin, lots of others. The Copenhagen School of Biblical Minimalism is pushing 40 years old.

https://www.amazon.com/Search-Ancient-Israel-Biblical-Testament/dp/1850757372

>>24672123
Irrelevant.

>>24665160 (OP)
>The Invention of Jewish People
>Schlomo Sand
My Bible translates it as "dust" but I guess that works too

>>24671935
Yeah, I would like one. You make a claim, you back it up.

>>24672449
What exactly are you referring to here.

>>24672506
No one here has claimed anything other than the author and on the thinnest of ground. Nta btw.

Why do you all care so much? Holy crap you must look for jews under the bed at night.

>>24670728
They "reconstructed" it in Europe when Europe was going through it's romantic phase and kept trying to "reconstruct" the past. If a group of European started speaking reconstructed Latin and claiming it as their native language which gives them a historical claim to Rome that's racist to doubt, that group would and should be ridiculed and marginalized. They're delusional scammers.

>>24673326
It's often found once one peels away the layers of narrative that the underlying origin is much less than claimed.

So this book and this thread are about how Jews don't actually exist. Does it matter if your traditions stem from a different source than commonly taught? Much the same cases for all.

>>24673741
brainlet take. it's an thesis from an academic.

>>24666513
I love that guy, but what does he say about jews? I thought he was a jew

>>24673788
https://jewishstandard.timesofisrael.com/all-his-life-harold-bloom-dreamed-in-yiddish/

>>24673924
This is so incredibly vapid, it's hard to imagine these people have no self awareness. Imagine the exact same article but it's a German talking about the German language.

>>24674224
A puff piece is vapid? Shocking.

>>24672121
But what about Khazar milkers?

This book exposes how fragile and vulnerable is the state of Israel, mainly because it is relying on biblical myths to construct Zionist ideology and Jewish identity, rather than on actual history proven by archeological and biological research.

>>24673326
>>native language which gives them a historical claim to Rome

turning a once spoken but now liturgical language of a ethnic group back into their modern spoken language does in fact give them greater claim, to the land where they and the language originated from as it relies on their continuation into the present.

They dig up the land and read what their ancestors wrote thousands of years ago. A continuation.

>>24674939
the fundamental misunderstanding here is gauging the legitimacy of national language on it's historical form in this use case where the modern form is deliberately codified as being in fact modern and an expression of the new nation-ethno-religious state adopted as official and cultural purposes. as they've done.

>>24674945
The coping.
I’m sure all the learned people of the rabbinate agree with you, sure.

Israel still exists.

>>24674945
>gauging the legitimacy of national language on it's historical form in this use case where the modern form is deliberately codified as being in fact modern

What would make it authentic to you? What is your criteria then?

The premise is as long as the present language can read/understand the ancient past, that is legitimacy as heritage.

The day English speaker's can no longer understand Shakespeare's without taking a class, is when the line is broken.

>>24674854
I don't even know why they bother. Zionism started as a secular project and rabbis only got on board at the last minute when the first war was already happening. Many only rallied after it was won. Those arguments are completely goofy anyway.
Israel should just say it was conquest that has been internationally recognised. In fact this is what the Israeli state says to most of the world, the rest of the propaganda is for americano-protestants and internal morale boosting among orthojews.

>>24675121
This would be the rational approach.

>>24675036
Shakespeare is a bad example because he contributed about 1000 words and phrases still in common use today.

>>24674691
My guess is that rich European Jews when buying shiksas to wife for 2000 years had a thing for big white tits.

>>24668824
Oke, so why did their prime minister do the same?
Mileikowsky to Netanyahu

>>24665271
Tell that to the 6 million incinerated kikes. Not enough if you ask me.

>>24665533
The vile khazar devils are a scourge on humanity

>>24675538
Are the Khazar devils in the room with you now?

>>24673741
>>24673741
>Does it matter if your traditions stem from a different source than commonly taught?

Only if you care about reality but we're talking organized religion here.

So, just a theory then.

>>24674939
Some retard was using the language as evidence that jews aren't frauds. Now you're using the conclusion he was arguing for as a premise for why I should accept the argument. You can't even pretend to think, something about jews and jew dicksuckers makes them completely incapable of sincerity or honesty and therefore thinking.
Black Israelites and British Israelites both have much more convincing claims to ancient Hebrew heritage. Everything about jewish identity is like a bad joke.

>>24676157
lol

>>24676157
Your dislike of Jews is clouding your judgement to a reasonable argument,

if Norwegians kept using Elder Futhark runes instead of the Latin alphabet and could all read their stones, they'd be closer to Vikings than larpers.

>>24676296
>Your dislike of Jews is clouding your judgement

Do you know where you are?

>>24676412

>>>not/POL

>>24666505
>directly refutes your main point
>"whataboutism"

This has been my most successful thread of all time. I haven't even read any of it yet, lol.

>>24676483
Congratulations OP!

>>24666448
the JIDF has arrived to the battlefield

>>24666510
antipathy towards eurocuck names
a "return to soil"

>>24676412
this is r/talmud, isn't it?

>>24676483
jews are great for business

>>24676520
somebody's gotta do it

>>24676480
You are mentally disabled

>>24673326
"Hebrews" themselves are an historical fiction. The story of them in the Bible did not happen. The Habiru are not records of the Hebrews-- Hebrews are a late fiction that used Egyptian records of the Habiru as a source-text. These first Jews as we would understand them when inventing themselves pulled the old HaShem Switcheroo on the ruling Greeks of Alexandria and it worked.

Imagine some basically insignificant group with little to no ancient records of their own, mining ancient texts someone else had collected for news of themselves from the past, reading about a people from their region of the world. They find something that sort of fits and say "that was us" and then spin a "history" out of it. That's what the Jews did. The idea that Jews are an invention, even a self-invention, is basically correct. It didn't happen in Khazaria, it happened at the start, in Ptolomaic Alexandria.

Linguistically, Hebrew is Old Phonecian but written with an Assyrian square script. It's a post hoc construct, built after the fact to support and enhance a fiction, like Elvish. It makes it seem more real, and we can even speak the language-- but Elves didn't really exist either.

>>24677338
tl;dr lol

>>24677338
>The idea that Jews are an invention, even a self-invention, is basically correct. It didn't happen in Khazaria, it happened at the start, in Ptolomaic Alexandria.

Is this like when people who think the moon landing is fake meet someone who knows the moon isn't even real?

Source? for anything you just typed?

Can some Khazar anon beat Ptolomaic anon's theory? Or is there a new champion.