Thread 24665795

So idk if theology discussion is part of this board but what exactly is the meaning of earth in the bible. In ecclesiastes it basically refers to anything under the sun as meaningless or formless(hevel) aka the earth is meaningless yet it was created by God with his literal spirit why does the bible contradict itself?
> but ecclesiastes doesn't say that
Nope, it does, it clearly says anything under the sun is meaningless including life

>>24665795 (OP)
Ik there is deeper meaning re reading the Bible and im kind of baiting as there are verses that called earth that it belongs to the lord but re reading it it really is an interesting subject no one pays attention too

>>24665795 (OP)
??? the earth means the earth
Like the earth, the ground, dirt, soil

>>24666399
I mean a deeper meaning.

>>24666399
Elaborate on how this relates to god and the grand plan.

>>24665795 (OP)
>anything under the sun is meaningless including life
Without God. That's the message of Ecclesiastes

>>24666599
Does this mean that by default earth is without god?

>>24666609
I would assume that the writer of Ecclesiastes is writing for the perspective of where the absence of God is the assumption and therefore he's illustrating that without God everything is meaningless. The problem is that both that and the line "if there is no God then everything is permitted" only really work within the context of the God of Christianity. Where I'm at currently is that I believe in a conscious creator but his intentions may be beyond our understanding and he might not care that much about what we do to each other. It's hard to say

I see it as a more poetic way of describing all worldly things. The message is that all things done here end here and are thus vain, the only thing that is not vanity is striving for God

>Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
>For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

>>24666599
>>24666609
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>>24666703
Is not that it's meaningless but the earth itself is chaotic. There is death and life. Peace and war. Love and hatred. Therefore it is meaningless in the end which side we choose because the world will remain as it is imperfect while heaven/god remains perfect. Ecclesiastes shows the contrast between heaven and earth.

>>24666703
>The message is that all things done here end here and are thus vain,
Elaborate. You can't just say this in vain and not elaborate

>>24666609
Yes

>>24667463
>The sun rises and the sun sets
>There is a time for hate, a time for love, etc.
This world is constantly changing, if we never see it for the vanity it truly is how could we ever escape the constant anxiety of it?
The preacher says all that to make us see the truth of the world: things collected here stay here. Only a pursuit of the unchanging God, forever and ever, can truly resolve our anxieties.

>>24666597
God made the heavens and the earth
God dwells in the heavens
The earth is base, it has its goodness in being crafted by God, but it is the domain of the mortal

>>24665795 (OP)
most of the religion stuff moved to /his/
>for some reason